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What, in your opinion, would have made things with radical terrorirst islamofascists better? sm

Posted By: Brunson on 2006-09-27
In Reply to: Don't need to see any documents. We all know this is true and - Lurker

I am interested in hearing the strategy.  How should we have responded to 9/11 and threats of further terror?  Also, the use of the word all is not appropriate, unless you mean all leftists.  I don't include myself in that all and most people I associate with don't either.  Did you read the document?  I did. 


A key quote from the document:

The Iraq conflict has become the cause celebre for jihadists, breeding a deep
resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for
the global jihadist movement. Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves,
and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry
on the fight.

Doesn't that seem to say that once we win the war in Iraq, the Jihadists cause will be weaker? Therefore, winning the war in Iraq is the best course of action, in the short term. If you continue to read the document, regarding what to do about the threats, which, I contend is the most important part, you will perceive that the best long term solution is to promote...

Greater pluralism and more responsive political systems in Muslim majority nations would alleviate some of the grievances jihadists exploit. Over time, such progress, together with sustained, multifaceted programs targeting the vulnerabilities of the jihadist movement and continued pressure on al-Qa’ida, could erode support for the jihadists.

What does that mean?.....ta da, that the spread of freedom and democracy throughout the Middle East, is the best chance to defeat the Jihadists. Isn't that precisely what we are doing?


My favorite part of the report, though:  Anti-US and anti-globalization sentiment is on the rise and fueling other radical ideologies. This could prompt some leftist, nationalist, or separatist groups to adopt terrorist methods to attack US interests.




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The protesters, who were reportedly made up of followers of radical Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr...
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The protesters, who were reportedly made up of followers of radical Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr...

and also have burned American flags.


Sam....you are I are of the same opinion on a lot of things!
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One of the best things about her, in my opinion...
is that she ISN'T the typical politician. She still thinks you should be in it to serve the people who elect you. What a concept!! If they are elected, and he dies (God forbid), she would surround herself with advisors, just like every President before her. Obama has around 300 advisors right now and he doesn't have the job yet.

If the playing field were different in the media they would not be holding her back. The majority of the media are in the tank for Obama and interviews would be for the sole purpose of making her look bad. Why isn't Biden doing more interviews? Because the media doesn't care about Biden. He comes with the Obama package. If Obama had picked some relatively unknown VP the Dems would be just as thrilled. It would not have mattered WHO he picked.

As to her extreme religious views...what about the church Obama went to for 20 years? Talk about extreme views! And, frankly, you do not know what he prays about or not because he is not going to tell you. At least she is honest about it.

I don't see her views as extreme or fringe. I don't see anything to suggest that she is going to go off on some "mission from God." She did not do it as city council person, she did not do it as mayor and she has not done it as governor. Personal faith is not a problem for me. Freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof is recognized as a right in the Constitution. Our founding fathers thought faith was important. They included in their writings, our documents, it is on our money and on the walls of Congress. I see absolutely no reason a President cannot be a person of faith. Reagan was. John F. Kennedy was. Joe Biden is...he is a practicing Catholic. Nany Pelosi is a practicing Catholic. Obama claims to be a Christian and went to a church with a pretty radical agenda, but because he is not vocal about his faith that is somehow more acceptable? Gays come out of the closet and it is celebrated, persons of faith come out of the closet and they are branded fringe and shouldn't hold office....?

Just trying to understand why you think Sarah Palin's religious beliefs are fringe and Trinity Church in Chicago is not?

Public opinion made him step down...(sm)
You do remember the circumstances?  Gingrich was having an affair at the same time that he was on Clinton for his indiscretions?  Yeah, keep on talking about morals Newt.....
If you see things that are distorted or made up...
dispute them.
typo - meant cite things as hoax, not "site" things
Just thought I'd correct that before I get pummeled by the people who want to believe snopes is a truthful organization.
Your opinion of torture is your opinion. Tough
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radical jew
Radical jew:  Whew, I have known many.  Dress in all black, top hat, long side burns down to the elbows practically.  Will not even look towards anyone that isnt orthodox jew and believes like them, will dismiss you in an instant.  The ones who check restaurants and such places serving or making foods, they are paid off so the radical rabbis/orthodox jews give a clean bill of health for kosher, even though the establishments are kosher but the radical jews question it until they get $500.00 or more to give the okay and the establishments will pay cause without that okay that it is kosher, your company will go broke, at least in heavily jewish areas, NY, where I grew up.  They act like organized crime, for pete sake.  These guys are quite smart, they know how to work the system.  They get welfare.  They refuse to work as orthodox jews are supposed to pray and read and study all day and night, so the state (Im talking about NY state) gives them welfare as they are *holy men*.  They wont accept anyone that isnt born jewish.  Forget about marrying a non jew.  That person is a non person and will NEVER be accepted no matter what, not even if they become jewish.  Their children, born to a jew and non jew will also be nothing in the orthodox jews eyes.  I can go on and on.  Like I said, I invite you to check out New City, NY, Borough Park, Brooklyn and see what radical orthodox jews are all about.  I grew up with them.  Plus, a women is nothing in their eyes. If you go to synagogue with them, you sit in the back of the room. 
No more of a radical than Jesus was.

:)


Especially among the radical and oh-so-holy
Incredibly homophobic, too. Ever hear anything so silly as that 'pray-away-the-gay' convention going on up in Palin's hometown?
I am not radical because I am a Christian....
You need to do your homework and stop believing things you know nothing about.

My Bible teaches to love everyone, even those that hate you. The Muslim Qur'an teaches hate, hate, hate, to hate anyone who is not Muslim and to pray for their demise and they pray daily for only themselves, not others. All men are not created equal under Islam, according to their teaching. They believe that even their own people who may be handicapped are not equal to them. They believe in different levels of human value.

You know nothing of what you speak because if you did, you would realize my faith is NOTHING like that.
ma is tied to one radical after another.
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How ANYONE could vote for O with his RADICAL
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Radical Agenda...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/25/boxer-seeks-ratify-treaty-erode-rights/


 


 


I think the artciles are a little radical

but it depends how you look at it. I will be looking into this some more. As with any new bill, it is outrageously large.


Further on in the bill, it states what must be done and I must say, it may put a lot of restaurants, small fishing fleets, etc. out of business. The records that must be kept are absolutely ridiculous. I did see where food producers must keep a record of what they use to grow the food (fertilizers, other nutrients, food for animals etc.), where it comes from, and some really nitpicky rules.


Mainly, what I get from this bill is to protect the American people from big farm producers in meats, poultry, and veggies, and foreign meat and veggies so the illnesses that have become part of the American way of life are no more (dream on government).


From the bill itself:



      (5) CATEGORY 1 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT- The term `category 1 food establishment' means a food establishment (other than a seafood processing establishment) that slaughters, for the purpose of producing food, animals that are not subject to inspection under the Federal Meat Inspection Act or poultry that are not subject to inspection under the Poultry Products Inspection Act.



      (6) CATEGORY 2 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT- The term `category 2 food establishment' means a seafood processing establishment or other food establishment (other than a category 1 establishment) not subject to inspection under the Federal Meat Inspection Act, the Poultry Products Inspection Act, or the Egg Products Inspection Act, that processes raw seafood or other raw animal products, whether fresh or frozen, or other products that the Administrator determines by regulation to pose a significant risk of hazardous contamination.



      (7) CATEGORY 3 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT- The term `category 3 food establishment' means a food establishment (other than a category 1 or category 2 establishment) that processes cooked, pasteurized, or otherwise ready-to-eat seafood or other animal products, fresh produce in ready-to-eat raw form, or other products that pose a risk of hazardous contamination.



      (8) CATEGORY 4 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT- The term `category 4 food establishment' means a food establishment that processes all other categories of food products not described in paragraphs (5) through (7).



      (9) CATEGORY 5 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT- The term `category 5 food establishment' means a food establishment that stores, holds, or transports food products prior to delivery for retail sale.



      (10) CONTAMINANT- The term `contaminant' includes a bacterium, chemical, natural toxin or manufactured toxicant, virus, parasite, prion, physical hazard, or other human pathogen that when found on or in food can cause human illness, injury, or death.



      (11) HAZARDOUS CONTAMINATION- The term `hazardous contamination' refers to the presence of a contaminant in food at levels that pose a risk of human illness, injury, or death or are capable of reaching levels that pose such risk during the shelf life of the product.



      (12) FOOD- The term `food' means a product intended to be used for food or drink for a human or an animal and components thereof.



      (13) FOOD ESTABLISHMENT-




        (A) IN GENERAL- The term `food establishment' means a slaughterhouse (except those regulated under the Federal Meat Inspection Act or the Poultry Products Inspection Act), factory, warehouse, or facility owned or operated by a person located in any State that processes food or a facility that holds, stores, or transports food or food ingredients.




        (B) EXCLUSIONS- For the purposes of registration, the term `food establishment' does not include a food production facility as defined in paragraph (14), restaurant, other retail food establishment, nonprofit food establishment in which food is prepared for or served directly to the consumer, or fishing vessel (other than a fishing vessel engaged in processing, as that term is defined in section 123.3 of title 21, Code of Federal Regulations).



      (14) FOOD PRODUCTION FACILITY- The term `food production facility' means any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation.

You are voting for a radical socialist.
Be VERY careful what you ask for.
That's not far right wing radical Christians..that's the
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Obama is the one with radical friends and
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I hate any of these radical groups
and the panthers are no better than the klan was and it does seem like the news media just ignores what they don't want to report. They certainly should not be allowed to block the entrance which they were doing this morning. I have heard cops have been preparing for rioting, so all please be careful. I am reminded of Rodney King and rabblerousers just started attacking whites with no regard for how they may have felt as individuals. And, once again, the military vote will not be counted - how long are we going to tolerate that? It arrived "too late", probably because it was sent too late by Washington. Amazing.
He is a radical.. wants to be Robin-Hood.
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Radical Islam is not a religion......
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So when do we canonize this radical anti-American? sm

Hugo Chavez I believe is a growing symbol on the American radical Left like his mentor Fidel Castro. Chavez is a paranoid anti-American who believes America is out to get him just like Fidel believed the same thing.


Robertson’s comments to assassinate Chavez, unfortnately strengthens Chavez’s tyrannical grip over his people (and his paranoia). Chavez himself is becoming a tyrant who is funding international terrorism. From al-Qaeda to FARC. Chavez’s mentor Fidel Castro has funded international terrorism from the PLO, Hezbollah, Tamil Tigers, African National Congress and a whole bunch of other terrorist groups.


Chavez is a threat to America because of his ties to Fidel Castro and to international terrorism. I mean if the radical Left really believe Robertson’s comments were wrong, why does it give them the right to support Fidel Castro and his pal Hugo Chavez? Why does the left-wing media like people such as Ted Turner who owns CNN get away with being Fidel Castro’s admirer? Yet when there are reports of Castro and Chavez killing or making tyrannical iron fist rules against their own people, it’s okay but complain whenever someone like Robertson or someone else makes a harsh comments against their idols (i.e. Castro and Chavez)?


There in lines the double-standard of the American radical Left and how much influence they have over the media. If it’s wrong for Pat Robertson to make those comments, then it’s ten times worse for any hardline Lefty in the American media to admire Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez. But that never seems to be scorned by the media. Only Robertson’s statements.


and he was raised by his radical islamic stepfather

Be very aware..........


and if his wife is a member of the CFR - trust me, he's involved too.....


New World Order - New American Century - Skull and Bones - read up on it.........


And the radical religious right in America teaches...sm
that no one gets to heaven unless they believe in the "Lord Jesus Christ". I do not agree with either, but they both have the same belief that there is no way but their way. There is no difference.
It doesnt bother dems at all regarding O's radical
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Obama is a fraud and a radical, but the people will
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Radical relationships proved or hear say?

Unless you're talking about preacher Wright?  I am beginning to wonder why that is not an issue since John Mccain is so righteous.


Prophets of Doom - liberal! - radical!

The GOP's new message: Despair







THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter






Either word-torturer Frank Luntz has been writing memos to the brass and issuing orders to the troops again, or the GOP is taking its verbal cues from none other than the certifiable Alan Keyes.


Have you noticed? "Radical" is the new socialist, the new liberal, the creeping unhinged hyperbole suitable for all occasions in describing President Obama's budget proposal. It's now conservative chic, simply all the rage: big-government "liberal" is so yesterday.


Gee, it's almost as if someone -- listening, Frank? -- has focus-grouped the lingering efficacy of again hauling out that old "liberal" bogeyman, only to find that most voters no longer care. After partaking of the desolating fruits of right-wing rule for so long, if liberal is its antithesis, then bring it on, they say.


They're finally numb to the right's tireless stigmatization of the word; hence a new one -- one with more shock-value kick to it -- was desperately needed. And "Radical" must have pegged the bogeyman-o-meter.


Never mind that what Obama now proposes is more or less the same he proposed for roughly two years on the campaign trail; and above all never mind that what he proposes is far more organically pragmatic than schematically liberal. For the right, debate is all about innovative exaggeration and ominous labeling -- "framing" remains the hot-button word for the partisan presentation of hot-button issues -- since an honest argument carries the insufferable risk of losing it.


Yes, I know the word has been thrown about by the right for some time now, or, to pinpoint its origination in application to Obama, since the fizzled phenomenon of William Ayers. But it was just yesterday that I noticed on the Sunday talk shows the word's almost Post-It-reminder-note-on-the-forehead usage by the distinguished gentlemen from the GOP.


The president is engaging in radical exercises, intoned the increasingly preprogrammed Sen. Lindsey Graham on "Meet the Press," oblivious to the profoundly non-radical nature of, say, even corporate support for some form of universal health care. Nor is equal opportunity of education -- so that, perhaps, just maybe, this nation can compete more effectively in the global rat race of capitalism -- customarily regarded by political theorists as Leninist to its core.


But hey, it's a lot more fun to bend reality when reality is incompatible with one's political agenda; and, of course, in this crowded age of competing messages, the bending must be done with overwhelming force and unprecedented volume.


Later, during MTP's roundtable discussion, the solemn consensus among three-fourths of the four-member panel was that the restoration of American confidence is indispensable as the first step in the restoration of the American economy.


Then came Panel Member Number Four, Newt Gingrich, the Big Idea Man, blasting away at -- any guesses? -- yep, Obama's radicalism. It was segment two; removed was the cardboard cut-out of Lindsey and installed was the cardboard cut-out of Newt. Yet the viewer would have hardly noticed the change in personnel. Both were reading from the same Orwellian Luntzism -- Obama's "radicalism" is double ungood.


What was Newt's alternative Big Idea? What, I hear you ask, was his counterproposition for solving what his party has created in the monstrous form of nearly insoluble problems?


Well, he didn't have one. Not one, not even a little Big Idea. Not even a whiff of one. Instead, he wanted us only to know that Obama's radicalism was undermining the very confidence that Newt's fellow panelists sought.


Newt wasn't doing that, mind you. Obama is, or rather, his radicalism is -- which at any rate just won't work, because it's too big in purpose, it's too challenging, it's simply too much for the American people to handle.


As I listened to Graham's rehearsed shock and awe, then Gingrich's, then a bit later Sen. Richard Shelby's strikingly similar exasperation on ABC's "This Week," it occurred to me that what now underlies the conservative argument is the precise opposite of what conservatives have argued for decades: that given a big enough challenge, Americans can accomplish anything -- but first, the gauntlet must be thrown.


I heard none of that yesterday. What I did hear was rote defeatism -- that determined countermeasures to undo what the right has wrought are doomed as radical impossibilities. In short, conservatives of Ronald Reagan's American Mornings are now banking on utmost despair, trusting that Americans will prefer that to "radical exercises."


And that's quite the seismic shift in their own message, a shift even greater than the one they're trying to impose on Obama's.


 


Protest Warriors was hacked by radical leftists. SM
The administrator's had nothing to do with it.  In fact, they fight this on a daily basis.  As far as ISP numbers, I don't know of a chat board anywhere where the administrator does not keep track.  And I don't know of one anywhere where the information is shared.
Are there any good books on *the radical terrorist mind*? sm
and whose the author?
his cousin is Raila Odinga - radical muslim

y'all need to further investigate and not via snopes either....Barack's cousin, Raila Odinga, executes genocide in Kenya.....


you all can just Google this issue and read all about it, I've been reading about it for months on end....and please do not shoot the messenger (me)  LOL


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Your arrogance just wreaks radical leftwing politics

It wreaks so much it stinks.


I weighed in with my radical retired Teamster husband

to make sure I get it right.  Having been married to me for a number of years, he is fairly well versed in the field of MT.  So let's look at unions from that perspective:


Say we have an MT who cherry picks and signs off every time a dictator comes up that she doesn't want to do.  Other MTs that have to pick up after this MT complain until the company finally decides to fire this bad MT.  Okay, the firing is done.  The slacking MT files a grievance with her union.  A hearing is scheduled with the Union representative, the company representative, the bad MT and any interested parties may also appear on either side as witnesses...a sort of trial if you will.  The company must present all records for the bad MT to day 1 of employment.  Co-workers can speak for or against the person.  Let's say that the documentation backs up the bad MT firing.  She is fired.......end of story.


Another real example:  Radical Teamster husband once had a hot-shot supervisor.  Husband got so angry one day that he threw a trash can at the supervisor.  He was fired.  He filed a greviance and was suspended until the hearing.  At the hearing the company brought their records of some 20 odd years of hard work and being a good employee, 1 episode of, I think they called it insubordination.    Co-workers appeared on behalf of husband.  Husband received a reprimand from the union about the trash can throwing incident and went back to his job.  Shortly thereafter the company fired the supervisor. Supervisors were not represented by the union and he was fired...period.


Wouldn't it be nice if MTs had someone to stand up for them today?


It's interesting how radical liberals have labeled themselves "moderate"...
and anyone who is conservative has been labeled extreme. I really think that it depends on who you are. I feel that gay marriage is an extremely liberal thing to support, as do, apparently, the majority voters in California, yet the liberal left would have us believe that being against gay marriage is extreme and for it is moderate. Just something to think about.
History is history and opinion is opinion. You need to learn the difference.
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Fortunately, Lurker, many on the left realize the threat from radical Islam. sm
It isn't political, but it has been made that way.  That's why a lot of you have been lulled into being apologist for murdering Islamofascists. 
No not Christians, just far right wing radical Christians who,,,sm
believe that God speaks directly only to them and do not welcome anyone who does not have their beliefs.
WHOSE OPINION?

That's your opinion
I don't think the liberal justices have been able to put their own views aside to make constitutionally sound decisions in the last few years, but again, that's my opinion as much as you are basing your judgements on your opinion. I think Bush is a brillant man, and I won't castigate you for thinking he's not, but it is your opinion and you have a right to it. Do I think Harriet Miers is best choice? No, but given her credentials I don't think she's a disaster either. The whole Roe vs. Wade issue has been controversial from it's inception, and yes I do think abortion is wrong, because it's killing innocent human life. I think it should be revisited. Roe has had a change of heart over the years about it, and to me that speaks volumes. However, I doubt you will agree and I don't expect you to.

Okay, if a justice should be excluded because of their abortion views then all the justices would have to be excluded, because they all have taken sides one way or the other.
I second your opinion except

I do believe, based on all information available, that Plame was truly outed.  There is no "opinion" involved here.  It is either true or false, and in this case, it is true she was outed. Throw as much distraction and verbiage at it as you want, but the fact remains.


 


What is your opinion...???
You mention abortions in this country that occur. How do you feel about Iraqi women having abortions? Does it bother you as much as abortions in the US?  Would you go to Iraq at the present time and implore upon the women there not to have an abortion? "Life, what a terrible thing to waste."
Your opinion, and
Get a grip.
that's your opinion
I think that's a "desperate" attempt by dems because you must be scared of his pick!

I am a woman and a proud woman but i don't vote for one just because of that fact! (take Hillary for example!!)


you can have your opinion - and so can I
You just don't like to hear the truth. Hurts doesn't it!

I think I said in my post I commend you both for being able to stay at home and raise your kids. Good for you.

Your the one cutting down Sarah Palin for no good reason and just spewing lies. So I am giving my opinion.

Goes both ways.

As Austin Powers would say - Yeah, baby!
It is just my opinion ...
once again, just because I don't like his personna does not mean that I am not voting for him.

I truly have not decided.
Just my opinion...sm

This is all pretty much a matter of opinion, why does one have to be stupid to vote for who they FEEL is the best candidate.  None of them truly are qualified.  We can gave education and we can gain experience, but when given the task at hand, how many actually succeed.  I feel that the Bush administration has been the worst ever since I have become involved in politics over the years, but that is my personal opinion.  Not only was he given one term and failed, but a second term and things got worse.


I am not pushing any buttons or trying to step on anyones toes.  To me it does not matter what race, religion, or gender, have always been a democrat and nothing and no one can ever make me vote republican, but the replican administration that had the task of leading our country for the last 8 years has definitely turned some die hard republicans to say they will vote republican.


This is my thing, I'm poor in a sense that I do not have millions of dollars in the bank, the rising gas prices and food prices affect me tremendously, and I live below my means.  The economy has changed, it is not good.  I want to survive.  I want to know that my job is safe, if I need financial assistance to save my home or feed my kids that it is available.  There are more issues that hit home for me, just a few named above.  I do not care that the gentleman who started AIG lost 3 billion dollars, so what how many millions do he have left.  If I lose $100 that's a sore spot for me.  They are saving financial insitutions with buyouts, spending billions on a war, and nothing to help the working Americans who lost their job and lost their homes and they were working hard just to survive.


I'm torn in a sense, but I do feel sorry for our country.  How much more will we working Americans have to suffer. 


Just my thought, part of the money that is been sent to fund this war, can we have it here in America to give to our people who are suffering from natural disasters (hurricanes, raging fires, jobs moved overseas, and all the other major crises surrounding us).  What are we really striving for?


This is my opinion.....

From reading her thesis....she just made it sound like ivy league colleges are directed towards the "Whites" and wondered if it was really beneficial for "Blacks" to attend these colleges in a predominant white setting.  Stating that "Blacks" who attended Princeton found themselves grouped together but at the end of their education came to finding their way in the "White" world and forsaking the "Black Community."  How some "Blacks" felt guilt because they felt they should help the low-income black community and hadn't and others felt no guilt and strived for a position in the white world like Princeton was to blame for these "Blacks" building a life for themself and their family instead of putting everything back into the black community.


It sounds to me like Michelle Obama is a bitter and arrogant black woman and her involvement and membership at Rev. Wright's church for 20 years is just more proof of that.  As many times as Rev. Wright showed up in interviews and spatted hate and the empowerment of blacks against their white oppressors....you cannot tell me honestly that Barrack and Michelle NEVER heard any message like that when it seems like that is all that comes out of Rev. Wright's mouth. 


That is your opinion...
Obama doesn't know how many states are in the country he is actually running for President of. Joe Biden can't keep his foot out of his mouth.

Real Clear Politics has McCain ahead in electoral votes, and that is where the election is decided, not the popular vote. They are virtually neck and neck or within margin of error in Pennsylvania and Michigan...which nearly always are double digits for the Democrat at this time in elections. Just a little perspective on polls. That being said, polls are what they are. We will not know until election night.

deRothschild's remark doesn't mean as much to me as the "clinging bitterly to their guns and religion" comment of Obama's about Pennsylvanians...that is why he lost his lead in Pennsylvania and why it may very likely go Republican for the first time in how many years.....?

And that comment tells me all I need to know about the character of Barack Obama and how he feels about the common person out here in the flyover states.
My opinion

I voted for the first time in 1960.  The issue then was "Catholic."  People were "scared" of a Catholic president.........much like Obama being "Muslim."  Not much new since then except for the extensive media and internet.  Of course the "Catholic" won.  Some still say that election was bought by the Senior Kennedy.  I  happen to believe that now and I voted for him.  At that time I was a young voter, JFK was young, good-looking and talked a good talk.


You say the media picked their "darling."  I've watched TV consistently since the beginning of all this mess, starting with the primaries and I have seen no bias on CNN where I usually get my news and watch debates, etc. I did notice that Tom Tancredo (whom I supported) and Ron Paul were NOT given equal time in the debates.   Anything I hear that does not come directly from the horse's mouth, I research and make up my own mind, thus I consider myself about as well-informed as anyone can be who doesn't personally know any of the candidates.  I continue to be dismayed by posters on this board such as the above poster who says "Obama caught in the act."  If this is the kind of ill-informed voters who actually vote and elect our leader, God save us all.


The ACORN thing.  If I understand it correctly, the actual voter registration office that "discovered" the fradulent registrations is run by Republicans.  So there you have it again...Dem vs. Pubs.  They say they "don't have time to sort out the legitimate registrations"...Isn't that their job?  Do you REALLY think ACORN is the only one guilty of voter fraud?  I most certainly do not.  Why do you think both parties steer far away from illegal immigration?  Not a word have I heard from either candidate about illegal immigration.  Why?  Both are in favor of giving the free-loading, criminal invaders of our country "a path to citizenship," because both parties want the Latino vote, legal or otherwise.


To answer your question....I think our next leader will be decided by rabid voters who support the ticket, whichever group has the most rabid voters that actually turn out, and it looks to me like it may be the Republican ticket so it will not surprise me if John McCain is the next president.  I personally know many people who say they are not going to vote because they, like myself, cannot support either candidate.  I think there will probably be a huge voter turn-out and much of the turn-out will be newly registered voters and those who have bought into the Obama is a scary fellow campaign.  Fear is the scary thing, it brings out the fight or flight instinct just as it is designed to do in this election.  Seems many people can't see the forrest for the trees. 


VOTING WITH A WRITE-IN VOTE FOR LOU DOBBS!!!!


So, did you have an opinion on
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