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Well, then aren't you sick and tired of the above-mentioned

Posted By: EVERYTHING in the world, like Sam? on 2008-09-09
In Reply to: We were told by moderator -no more attacks on - each other or be banned, right? nm

Even those that in essence respresent ALL Americans, and not a particular party?
I know I sure am. I think it would be nice if we could all speak our minds on this board, without worrying about what little sammie is going to say about it.


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    Well then.....i'm sick and tired

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    I don't know how many black musicians I've heard on TV shouting f*ck white people....we have a black president now.  But you don't hear the media calling them out and talking about how disgraceful that is.  Oh no.  You don't hear them discussing such obscene things on The View.  the double standards in racism never ceases to amaze me.  You don't dare use the N word (which I never would anyway) but it is quite alright for a black person to say f*ck white people.  It is okay for a black church to be strictly black and be total for the black community, etc but if a white church did that....it would be labeled as the KKK. 


    Yes, that's exactly what it is. I'm sick and tired

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    So, go "HA" yourself!


    I'm sick and tired....... and I posted
    xx
    I am so sick and tired of hearing...

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    I'm neither republican or democrat.  I always try to pick the person I feel is best for the job.  However, I learned a long time ago that a politician will say almost anything to get elected.  Yes, Obama has many plans, but realistically how many of these plans will actually work, be put into works if he is elected, or just a bunch of smoke he is blowing up our rear ends to get elected. 


    I was watching a show on TV the other night that showed politicians during an election year and one of the things consistently brought up by many was the need to decrease our dependency on oil.  This went all the way back to even before Carter was president.  After these politicians were elected, not one of them did anything about decreasing our dependency on oil.  Politicians will bring up any subject worth bringing up during an election year to get the backing of people, but once they win.....they don't have to do half of what they promised to do.


    No more sick and tired than the rest of us are with the
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    Anyone else sick and tired of all the apologies

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    Thain just apologized for spending $1 million on remodeling his office but did not apologize for all the millions in bonsues he took when he left the company after 3 weeks.


    Last night during the hearing for Geithner, Dodd spent so long talking, not about Geithner, but lecturing against Bush. I didn't even listen to Harry Reid. He's another one.


    Barney Fife recieved $12 million from FM/FM. Sickening (haven't researched that yet, but heard it on the news).


    Oh, and how about the $50 million corporate jet that was just ordered by one company, yet are asking for another $20 million from TARP. They SAY they are not using taxpayer's money for this jet. So, if not, how come they needed, and need, TARP money? Bull.


    I'm sick of all the greed and coruption, not only in our government but also  corporate.


    Apologies and we're to forgive them?  I don't think so. Why can't we get all this crap cleaned up? Is everyone in everyone else's pockets?


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    I'm so sick and tired of the childish BS.

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    With the amount of money that we owe and the amount of money that is proposed to being spent here.......taxing the rich alone cannot pay this deficit down. 


    We need to STOP government spending.  We need to give tax cuts.  The reason Bush's tax cuts didn't do anything is because government was still spending money like it had just won the lottery.  I'm tired of politicians being wasteful and spending money.  I'm tired of big CEOs making millions while they can't afford to pay their workers. 


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    Change....I'm so sick and tired of that mantra.

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    Good to hear you aren't sick after all!
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    Consider them mentioned
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    I have never mentioned anyone's looks!!! RU serious? never nm
    some people are confused here
    If you do all that you mentioned...........sm
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    CNN mentioned what?
    ?
    Your name wasn't mentioned
    I never saw the name gt mentioned in the post referred to.
    Obama DID say what Sam mentioned!
    nm
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    I saw that mentioned last night

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    well you mentioned those countries
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    As to the teamsters union...can you say organized crime? Jimmy Hoffa sound familiar? The only rich people in unions are the people in the hierarchy of the union, and how many times have we heard about them stealing pension money?

    And Barack Obama wants to do away with secret ballot voting in unions. You know why there is a secret ballot? So the union organizers won't be able to intimidate people. I worked at a hospital that a union was trying to organize. I have experienced first-hand how union organizers work, and it ain't pretty.

    That being said, labor unions in their beginnings were needed and were a wonderful thing. But like many other good things, they have become about money and power and the rank and file are WAY down on the totem pole.

    Problem is, all those good programs, pensions and health care are paid for by we the people. That is why plants close. That is why businesses go overseas, because there is only so much we the people are willing to pay. Wal-Mart knows that, that is why they don't want to unionize.

    Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
    Yes, why hasn't anything been mentioned about that?
    She had the meeting yesterday with them. I didn't hear a thing about it.
    Okay, some of things mentioned is, nm
    x
    Yeah. Once he mentioned it.

    But read the rest and tell me how many times he mentions Islam, Muslins, and the rest:


     


    "As the Holy Quran tells us: "Be conscious of God and speak always the truth." That is what I will try to do, to speak the truth as best I can, humbled by the task before us, and firm in my belief that the interests we share as human beings are far more powerful than the forces that drive us apart.


     


    Part of this conviction is rooted in my own experience. I am a Christian, but my father came from a Kenyan family that includes generations of Muslims. As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and heard the call of the azaan at the break of dawn and the fall of dusk. As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in their Muslim faith.


     


    As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam at places like Al-Azhar University that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed.
     
    Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.


     


    I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America's story. The first nation to recognise my country was Morocco. In signing the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796, our second President John Adams wrote: "The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims."
     
    And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States. They have fought in our wars, served in government, stood for civil rights, started businesses, taught at our universities, excelled in our sports arenas, won Nobel Prizes, built our tallest building, and lit the Olympic Torch. And when the first Muslim-American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same Holy Quran that one of our Founding Fathers Thomas Jefferson kept in his personal library.
     
    So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed. That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn't. And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.


     


    But that same principle must apply to Muslim perceptions of America. Just as Muslims do not fit a crude stereotype, America is not the crude stereotype of a self-interested empire. The United States has been one of the greatest sources of progress that the world has ever known. We were born out of revolution against an empire. We were founded upon the ideal that all are created equal, and we have shed blood and struggled for centuries to give meaning to those words within our borders, and around the world. We are shaped by every culture, drawn from every end of the Earth, and dedicated to a simple concept: Epluribus unum: "Out of many, one."
     
    Much has been made of the fact that an African-American with the name Barack Hussein Obama could be elected president. But my personal story is not so unique. The dream of opportunity for all people has not come true for everyone in America, but its promise exists for all who come to our shores - that includes nearly seven million American Muslims in our country today who enjoy incomes and education that are higher than average.


     


    Moreover, freedom in America is indivisible from the freedom to practice one's religion. That is why there is a mosque in every state of our union, and over 1,200 mosques within our borders. That is why the US government has gone to court to protect the right of women and girls to wear the hijab, and to punish those who would deny it.
     
    So let there be no doubt: Islam is a part of America. And I believe that America holds within her the truth that regardless of race, religion, or station in life, all of us share common aspirations to live in peace and security; to get an education and to work with dignity; to love our families, our communities, and our God. These things we share. This is the hope of all humanity.


     


     


     


    Same here, but the poster mentioned Republicans so that's why I
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    McCain mentioned the 800 thousand, but O
    nm
    It also mentioned a birth announcement
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    Now, while that may not be a legal document, I highly doubt that way back on August 4, 1961, Obama's mother decided to state that he was born in Hawaii because some day he might grow up to be president.

    There was no legal reason why she would have done that. He would have been considered a citizen, even if he had been born in Kenya. Maybe not natural born, but legal, and she would have had no reason to lie ... way, way, way back then.

    Either way, what you're stating is that several INDEPENDENT organizations, including a legal court of America, are lying or covering up the truth FOR Obama.

    It's a paranoid accusation to a very high degree, and I think, if nothing else, the campaigns this year have done nothing but heighten these delusions.

    On both sides, even.

    The Obama birth question may forever live in the annals of conspiracy theory - along with the U.S. moon landing "hoax" and the presence of reptilians who can shapeshift at will - but it would behoove our country to recognize it as an unproductive, divisive conspiracy theory that deserves much less attention than, say, a strong, compassionate, united nation.
    how many times was tea party mentioned? once?
    much ado about nothing..............
    Glenn Beck mentioned this
    last week on his show. He is having a special show in New York this Friday. He is wanting all the people who care for their country to come together. We are to look at his website and join in on "We Surround Them".

    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/21018/?ck=1

    It was the other way around: It is mentioned right here, in this article, that you quote
    who were the aggressors and who the victims, in both wars, 1948 and 1967:

    'Palestine became "the occupied territory" from which Palestinians were ejected and Israeli settlements built for "settlers." Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are full of refugee camps in which Palestinians driven off their lands by Israeli force have been living for decades.'

    Everybody, by now, knows this or should know this!







    It was mentioned that he was separated at the time
    so I don't really know if I count that as an affair...

    The woman he had the affair with was married...but wouldn't that be her bad?
    You ascribe me feelings about people whose name I have never mentioned here.
    His book is a bestseller.  Evidently, many many people think he is credible.  The world of credibility does not revolve around you, gt.
    I should have mentioned I was a loyal Ron Paul supporter.
    If that makes any difference.
    Yep, the above-mentioned was just put on MSNBC. Hardly digging deep for
    exist, as you said, and I was hoping to alert someone to that with my post. Thanks for the support.
    I repeat...she mentioned upholding the Alaskan...
    constitution twice. If she was one of "them" that is NOT what she would have said. Dailykos is a swamp with no bottom. They broke the nastiness about Palin's youngest child actually being the daughter's and ran with it, and the stuff there was vile. If that is "liberal opinion," and that is what you want to identify with, fine by me. Obama repudiated it...but he took their money.

    Oh my, their leader was MURDERED. How many unexplained deaths surround the Clintons? Do we really want to go there?

    Obama consorted with a known unapologetic anarchist/terrorist, William Ayers. And took money from him at a fundraiser at Ayer's house. So if you are going to blame Palin for making a video speech to this group, and not blame Obama for going to the house and taking the money of a man who bombed the Pentagon and police stations and caused deaths...does the term double standard ring any bells here?
    The talking points must have mentioned using the word *impeach* as often as possible, too. NM

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    of a Marine who was killed this week in Iraq.  Here is the transcript of the show.  I think it's very compelling.  These people certainly gave the ultimate sacrifice, and to me, their views are very important. 


    The interview with Ken Allard is also very interesting. This can all be found at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8838904/


    MATTHEWS: Tonight, we begin with the parents of Lance Corporal Edward Schroeder, who was among the 14 Marines who lost their lives in yesterday's attack in Iraq. His parents, Rosemary Palmer and Paul Schroeder, join me now from their home outside Cleveland.

    Well, it's a terrible thing to do, but I want to talk to you both about the war in Iraq and the loss of your son.

    Ms. Palmer, did you sense that this war was very dangerous for your son, even before yesterday?


    ROSEMARY PALMER, MOTHER OF KILLED U.S. MARINE: Well, war is always dangerous. And there were so many deaths that it was starting to mount to the point where I was actually thinking yesterday that if Auggie (ph) were not among the 14 killed, I was almost to the point of calling the Department of Defense and just saying, for mental health reasons, he had to come home, that I couldn't handle it anymore. It was just too much.


    MATTHEWS: What made you feel that the danger was growing?


    PALMER: Well, it's the old game of the fewer. And the 325 unit that he's in has been having more and more casualties. And if you have fewer guys and the same number of people, well, then, the other—the chances are growing that your person is going to be the one that's hit.


    MATTHEWS: Let me ask you, Mr. Schroeder, why do you think we're in this war? What do you think is the real reason for this war in Iraq?


    PAUL SCHROEDER, FATHER OF KILLED U.S. MARINE: Well, I really don't know why. I could guess, which might be unfair. But I would guess it has to do with oil. It has to do with deposing a dictator that we used to love and came to hate.


    MATTHEWS: Yes.


    SCHROEDER: That goes on repeatedly.


    MATTHEWS: What did your son say was his motivation for fighting? Was it just patriotism to our country or a belief in the mission?


    SCHROEDER: He did not have a motivation to fight. He had a motivation to do his duty to the Marine Corps and to be part of the Marines. His entire life was devoted to doing what he promised he would do.


    MATTHEWS: What did he tell you...


    (CROSSTALK)


    MATTHEWS: What did he say about how the war was going?


    SCHROEDER: Well, early on, when his unit arrived there in March, he was talking about the friendly Iraqi people. After May and June, he stopped talking about the friendly people, not that they weren't friendly. But he stopped talking about it.
    Two weeks ago, in the last conversation I had with him, he simply said, the closer we get to coming home, the less worth it this is.


    MATTHEWS: How did you interpret that?


    SCHROEDER: I took that to mean that his participation in Operation Matador, Operation New Market, Operation Sword, Operation Spear, and a couple others that I don't know the names of were failing. And that's, basically, the operations were intended to go into these towns, kick out the insurgents, take their weapons, arrest whoever they could, and then they would withdraw.

    They only had to go back and find more insurgents in the same places. The fact that these 14 fellows were blown up indicates to me, logic would say, that this policy, this strategy, this tactic has failed.


    MATTHEWS: Let me go to Rosemary...


    SCHROEDER: If it was successful, if it was successful, then he would still be alive, as would all those other kids.


    (CROSSTALK)


    MATTHEWS: Rosemary, let me ask you about the—what is your feeling about this war and the goal of trying to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people? And do you think that was a smart thing for us to try to do?


    PALMER: It was a very naive thing for us to do.

    You don't go to another culture and try to impose yours and expect it to work. We're not Iraqis. We don't have the same culture. And while I understand that we're a multicultural nation, we don't act like it sometimes. We act like the whole world thinks exactly the way we do.


    MATTHEWS: Do you think that the war is going to get any better now that your son—I mean, you have paid the ultimate price? And, by the way, thank you. I don't know what it means to say thank you for your service, except I mean it. The courage of these young guys and some women over there is unbelievable. And I guess everybody wonders about the conduct of the war, whether they're being—these lives are being wasted or these lives are being put to good purpose.
    What is your feeling about that now?

    PALMER: Well, I personally believe that, since it is not working, then we have to make a change, that it is not worth the sacrifice if it is just more bodies on to the heap.

    Like President Bush said, he wanted to stay the course and honor the memory of the ones who died by continuing to fight. If it didn't work before, why does fighting more—you know, you do the same thing over and over, that's—expecting a different result is, I think, the explanation of insanity.

    MATTHEWS: Yes.

    Well, the way you describe it, it is like pouring water into a sand hole on the beach and having it drain right through and start over again. It seems like a repetitive process that doesn't seem to be getting anywhere.

    PALMER: Exactly.

    SCHROEDER: Well, the repetitive process has been going on for 27 months, since the active invasion phase ended, 27 months of doing the same thing over and over and over again, with no evidence that it is getting better.

    If there were evidence it was getting better—and I have yet to see it—and I—frankly, if it was getting better, these fellows would still be alive after all of this strenuous effort. Then it is time to make a change. Either put the number of troops on the ground that you need to really do the job or get the heck out.

    MATTHEWS: Do you have a sense...

    SCHROEDER: We have a saying—we have a saying in the Midwest, piss or get off the pot.

    MATTHEWS: Do you have a sense, because of your son's tremendous, permanent, total sacrifice of his life and his experience in these months fighting this war, that the middle-level officers, the majors, the captains, do they have a sense of a clear vision of what they're getting done over there?

    SCHROEDER: I can't speak to those fellows. I have great respect for the Marine officers at that level and the sergeants who made these troops, great respect.
    I would tell you that they probably are frustrated, just like a lot of the ground troops, the lance corporals and the privates are. I would say that one thing that we have to make crystal clear, which is why we agreed to talk today, is that there is a—you cannot equate. There is a clear difference between supporting the troops on the ground and supporting the policies that put them there.

    The president likes to make those—to equate those two things. If you don't support the war, you don't support the troops. And too many American people are buying into that. I don't buy into that. Rosemary doesn't buy into that. It is time that we say, look, we can support the troops all until the cows come home.

    (CROSSTALK)

    SCHROEDER: We don't support the policies that put them there.

    MATTHEWS: You two have more right to answer this question than anybody else in the country today. After reading those headline—and to most of us, they're just headlines. They're American G.I.s, Marines in this case, giving their lives for their country, 20-some this week, in that one part of the country in Iraq.

    What should be the reaction of the American people who pick up their newspapers, watch television, and learn of these horrors? What should they do as a result of seeing that news, Mr. Schroeder?

    SCHROEDER: They should stand up and tell President Bush, enough is enough. You've had your chance. Now let somebody else come up with a different plan. If you can't come up with a different plan that is going to work, in my view, that is more troops, then get out.

    MATTHEWS: Rosemary, is that your view? Is that how we, all of us, not in the news business, regular Americans from your part of the country, across the country, getting this horrible news, how should they react to it?

    PALMER: Well, I think most people are just saying, you know, the latter, just get out, because it is clearly—well, it is obvious that the politicians are not going to institute a draft. And with the number of deaths and the dangers being what they are, they are not going to get the recruits.

    So, therefore, if you can't—you can't get enough guys to do the fighting, well, then you have to get out. Do it or get out of the game.

    MATTHEWS: I got you. I heard your views and they sound similar.
    Thank you very much for this hour of—this time of anguish, to be giving this information. I think the public needs to hear from folks like you.
    Thank you very much, Rosemary Palmer and Paul Schroeder, who lost their son, Lance Corporal Edward Schroeder, just today, last 24 hours.
    We'll be right back with HARDBALL.


    You guys say mentioned this oil domination thing constantly, but
    nobody explains exactly what the details of this oil domination are?  Please, do explain.  I'd love to know the details, not just the sound bite.
    And yet when Christianity is mentioned, many on the left promptly point to the right.
    Why is that?
    Just as the other NEVER mentioned conservatives, this one doesn't mention liberals... at all. nm
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    Do you automatically think all white Christians follow these evangelists you mentioned? nm
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    I heard work requirement mentioned a long time ago - nm
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    As we are tired of YOU!
    Why can't you comply with the moderator's request not to bash posts here? If we are so offensive do you, why do you come here other than to stir up trouble?


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