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Posted By: gourdpainter on 2008-11-14
In Reply to: Pubs blocking help for big 3? - Just the big bad
the Wall Street bailout didn't they? Haven't you heard about American Express? This is the most ridiculous thing this lousy government has ever done. Big business gets bailed out with our tax dollars and the "small businesses" that Bush says is providing all the new jobs, they either sink or swim on their own. This is just another way for politicians to feather the nexts of their big business buds. And what about that economic summit going on in Washington today? Could it be the creditors of the USA are here to call in their loans? It is absurd to bail out the auto industry. Do you think it's going to save jobs? Well, it won't. If they are going to get bailed out it should be with a stipulation that all their parts are AMERICAN made. THAT might save American jobs. They'll get the bailouts and their employees and the rest of the country will get SCREWED.
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First, thank those of you who supported me and supported...
the right to free speech. Thanks to the moderator for straddling the fence and electing not to ban me. That said, I will not hide (change my name) and I will not go away. I will not allow those who are afraid of opposite opinion to stop me from posting mine. That is not the America I want to live in, and I think it is time that more of us stood up againt bullying tactics. I am standing.
In deference to those of you who would seek to silence me....I am an Independent and I will post independently. I will not reply directly to any of you, you can keep your threads all to yourselves. If I have a rebuttal I will post it separately. You are free to do as you have been doing without me entering your threads. That is me, reaching across the aisle.
I will also retract a statement I made yesterday. I was wrong to lump all Democrats into the same barrel. As Oldtimer so astutely pointed out, I fell into the same trap I accused others of, and in retrospect and after McCain's speech it became more clear to me. All Democrats/liberals/progressives are not of the same cloth as what I have experienced on this board. I apologize for that.
What I do not apologize for is being a conservative and having conservative values. Too many of us have been too quiet for too long. We sat down. We need to stand up with John and Sarah. There is nothing wrong with nor to be ashamed about in the way we feel and we are as much entitled to that as liberals are to liberalism. And part of that is tolerance. So, as a compromise....
Democrats/liberals, start your threads, and I will not encroach upon them. I would ask for the same respect from you as I post independently. There will be no need for you to open any of them or to spend half a page piling on. I will respect your threads. Kindly respect others.
As McCain said last night, we are all God's children (even if you don't claim Him, He claims you), we are all Americans. So let's allow both sides to present views, support their candidates, exercise our right to free speech, have diverging opinions. I would like to see the America back where I grew up, when the old fellas sat and played checkers in front of the library in town and bantered back and forth about politics, but it was good natured and they were still best of friends. I miss that. We need to stop belitting others for where they live or for their religion or the lack thereof. We need to stop attacking each other, period. A house divided against itself cannot stand. We do need to try to be one America again. No politician can rejoin us. That is a task we must do ourselves.
I supported Ron Paul too...but
Ron Paul is not in the race anymore. He was a good candidate and I was behind him 100%. Even he is in agreement with Barack on certain issues (no not all of them but some of them). And yes Hillary does need to step down. She will tear the party apart so much that we will be seeing a win for McBush. She has so much bad baggage attached to her that if she was to win the nomination McBush would win hands down over her. Yes everyone should be allowed to vote but we should also know that there will only be two candidates come election time. If anyone wants to write in someone else and not vote for McCain or Obama then its just a waste. If people think its going to make a difference it won't. Those votes will just go in the trash can.
For those who supported Ron Paul sm
Great article in the Rocky Mountain News.
Ron Paul has performed a great service for the Republican Party
By Jeff Wright
Thursday, June 26, 2008
Largely unappreciated and attacked by his own Party Congressman Ron Paul has, in fact, done a great service to the Republican Party this election season. Paul enlarged the Republican ‘tent’ to again include disaffected core Republicans, Independents and real Conservatives who have been forced outside that ‘tent’ in the last two decades.
Paul uses classic Republican language to defend that point of view which demands small-government, constitutionally-oriented, fiscally-responsible and true free-market adherents actually be recognized and accommodated, rather than just paying lip-service to those positions.
Most importantly, that message has motivated a generation of young people to join the Party who are technically savvy, constitutionally-smart and extremely enthusiastic about spreading the message of freedom, liberty and free markets. They have been inspired by a candidate who really understands and believes in a Republic and, one would think, be embraced by incumbent Republican Party members.
However that, it seems, is not the case. Too many existing Republicans do not understand the language of those positions any more and can’t speak it in public. It also seems the NeoCon members are intent on forcing out of the party the very people that represent its future. I urge my Republican brothers and sisters to reject such collectivist, herd mentality which is indicative of Democrats while being logically and historically repugnant to Republicans.
In the 1960s and 70s that same “insurgent” group within the party was represented by Goldwater/Ronald Reagan conservatives. For those of you who don’t remember, the “Reaganites” were ostracized and isolated throughout that period right up to the 1980 election, when they were fully embraced. That is why in March of 1980, even former President Gerald Ford was still quoted as saying, “.....the Man is unelectable,” seven months before Reagan was elected President. It is worth noting that Congressman Paul was one of only 4 Congressman who endorsed Reagan in 1976.
However, the Goldwater/Reaganites were never treated as badly as the Paulites have been this season. The NeoCon/establishment faction within the Party has diligently worked to eliminate all true vestiges of the real Reagan Revolution from the party, as exampled by their behavior this election season. They have but one thought: Power and control at any cost. Yet, the record shows they keep losing running against historic principles of the Party.
They are attempting to make stillborn the Paul movement. Why? Because we are strong supporters of the original values of the Party? My friends, we are being weakened further by the poor leadership of that NeoCon faction and its adherents. Check the record.
The results since 2004 have been abysmal. In Colorado, while having a 200,000-vote advantage of registered Republicans over Democrats, we have lost the State Senate and the House, the Governor’s mansion, the Treasurer’s seat and two Congressional seats.
Nationally, we already have lost the US House and Senate and it is nearly a foregone conclusion we will lose 25-30 more House seats and 6-9 Senate seats in November.
In early tests, we have already lost seats in Illinois, Louisiana and Mississippi. Seats that Republicans have held for decades. The damage is mounting. We are CONTINUING to lose Governor’s seats left and right. The Democrats are out-raising us in funding $3 and $4 to one (in Congress $6 to $1) as noted recently by Republican Congressional leaders. The leadership should be forced to explain where it is that we have a winning strategy in constantly compromising our historic principles rather than firmly re-establishing them each generation? That is what the Founders taught.
From McKinley to Taft to Goldwater to Reagan, this Party used to promote and celebrate the core Republican message and historical principles of the Party. That seems to be all but banished from the party, except to pay it lip service. The result of that banishment are, and will be, clearly evident in the election results this November and after. If establishment Republicans persist in ostracizing and obstructing every attempt for the classic Republican message to have a voice in the Party, than who are Republicans, really? I did not spend the last 33 years as a conservative to start voting for liberals. Please join me today in supporting and promoting what should be the real message of the Republican Party in 2008 and beyond. Send the message to the Party leadership that we no longer support any further erosion of this party’s principles! Don’t allow them to keep rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Regardless of whether or not you would ultimately have voted for Congressman Paul, every Republican should have respected the message. That was the Republican way for the first 140 years of this party. At this point, even if he wins, John McCain will likely be another Millard Fillmore presiding over the complete demise of the Whig Party from 1850-54.
I loved and supported
my sister through surgery. It didn't mean we were married. You can love and support anyone. It doesn't make a marriage. A man and a woman who love and support each other and have sexual intercourse to try and conceive or not is what makes a marriage. It's a simple concept that has worked over the centuries and it will continue regardless of homo judges and whining, crying abnormal mental cases who are confused about their sexuality.
Scarborough has not always supported Bush. SM
In fact, I would give him a 50/50 on the Bush support. He is a very vocal opponent more often than not. Believe it not, not all conservatives stick together. Will the Bush blame game ever end?
Gee, he was fine with you when he supported Gore
Reminds me of the line from the movie Dune....
"The sleeper has awoken".
Boycott those who supported Prop 8
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)
Since Proposition 8 passed, several legal challenges to Proposition 8 have already been filed in California courts, and more than 40 state legislators filed a friend-of-the-court briefs to support legal efforts to void Proposition 8. A series of protests have spread across California, and are sweeping the country, and now they've moved onto the Internet with blacklists that are outing those who gave money to get Proposition 8 passed.
Reminiscent of Christian boycotts against companies who supported gay rights, and the ever popular War on _____ boycotts, now gay right activists are calling for the same action. Several new websites have launched that list all the names and businesses of all the donors. Evidently those who made political donations to Prop8 did not realize that their contributions are a matter of public record... or that publishing those records is legal.
http://electiontrack.com/
http://antigayblacklist.com/
Arlen Specter supported it...
Makes me proud to be from PA...not. He needs to be beaten in the next election.
Although I am an Obama supported, John McCain ..sm
was the old John McCain, stupid supporters degrading Obama, and John saying, no, he is a patriotic American that only wants the best for our country, we just don't agree about what is best. Things were getting very dangerous I think, and I was happy to see him making an attempt to diffuse the situation.
Obama supported the bailout too didn't he?
I respect your right to vote for who you want to, but why is it whenever something negative is said about Obama it is rumor but whenever something negative is said about Mccain it is fact? Shouldn't it go both ways. I mean I'm not dumb, I know that a lot of the mudslinging on both sides is pure crap, but there is some truth to both sides.
I'm praying with you too, but I'm not praying for one candidate over another. I'm just praying that God will put the person HE wants in there and He will work in their heart to help them make the right decisions. But sometimes I fear we may have already pushed God out of our nation to much and we it may be time for the judgment on America, just like what happened to Israel.
No matter who wins, it's time to batten (right word?) down the hatches and start saving and probably start stocking up on canned food! We are in for a llloonnnggg winter!
I supported Obama at first too. Now I'd have to agree with Savage 100%.
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She apparently had no hard feelings. She supported
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The posts on the conservative board were supported by videos. sm
These videos all showed US Soldiers discussing their views on the war. Much different than something you read in print. I would also like to say that the Military Times is NOT an armed forces newspaper. It is privately owned and does not in any way speak for the military. The generals are saying they will resign if we go into Iran.
I'm a woman, and supported Hillary 'til I heard Obama
I don't pick a candidate by their gender, their color, their name, their religion, or anything else. I pick a candidate by their intelligence, ability to lead, and one whom the rest of the world will be more likely to listen & relate to. After the last 4 years, I've watched big companies get TAX BREAKS and INCENTIVES for shipping our work overseas. I work 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, and I'm close to needing section-8 housing and food stamps because my pay won't get me much in this country, anymore. Ever notice that just about EVERYTHING you buy these days is made in China? Yet try and find those same products made in the USA. Impossible. So no, I want a candidate that I can look up to and be proud of, not one like Dubya, who's made me embarrased to be an American for the past 8 years.
An John McCain supported the secret sale of weapons...sm
to Iran during Iran/Contra to raise money to support the contras in Nicaragua (sp)when Congress refused to fund them. Talk about criminal activity. IRAN I am telling you, Iran! McCain thinks it is OK to keep you and I in the dark and take us from a democracy to a fascist nation for our "own good". Several republican presidents in my lifetime have been guilty of this. We do need fixing. I do not envy anyone who gets elected. I think I would run the other way. It is not going to be easy, but I have hope with Obama and do not trust John McCain.
Maybe if we all supported family planning and free contraceptives - WORLD WIDE - abortion would no l
And I know of not a single person who thinks abortion is "wonderful", only an occasionally necessary evil.
And George supported bigger profits for bigger business and richer people, that was soooo much bette
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Pubs and you especially, Sam, have
Left shoe is on the right foot now. No choice left except to stew in your own juices in this regard.
The Pubs also always say...
Just look at his mother at age 94 (or whatever). She's still kicking at her age. NOT!!! No one ever asks where his father is. Dead perhaps? At what age? Will have to Google that maybe.
The same can be said for the pubs that
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Pubs
I'm not a pub as you put it, but a democrat, and I cringe at the thought of Obama in the white house. If it were Biden, I would definitely consider that strongly but when you have nothing but corrupt questionable activities and more than questionable acquaintances, I won't help put that kind of person in office.
I'd rather go down with the sinking ship, as some poor lost soul OP phrased it, rather than be the cause of the sinking ship.
Oh, I know, all pubs are...well,
fine and upstanding citizens and bleeding hearts for the middle class and poor. I imagine rabid Republicans are about the only ones who still think George W. Bush is a fine, honest, Christian man. I recall one Rabid around here who carried a huge sign around in the back of his pick-up truck in 2004 that said, "Vote freedom, vote God, vote Bush." Nearly made me vomit. Not surprisingly, being a rabid Republican, he is carrying around the same sign but changed Bush to McCain. But he's also crying that he lost his job, is worried about his mortgage and they can't afford for his wife to retire. Rabid people can't seem to learn anything from experience.
Here's a new one for you pubs....
Got this email this morning who says from her mouth to my ears that she is a DEMOCRAT, has never voted for a republican but says (from her mouth to my ears) that she will NEVER vote for a black president. So she sends me this with the warning in the subject line, "be afraid, be very afraid." If I didn't love her I'd wring her neck off!!
Notice to All Employees
As of November 5, 2008, when President Obama is officially elected into office, our company will instill a few new policies which are in keeping with his new, inspiring issues of change and fairness:
1. All salespeople will be pooling their sales and bonuses into a common pool that will be divided equally between all of you. This will serve to give those of you who are underachieving a “fair shake.”
2. All low level workers will be pooling their wages, including overtime, into a common pool, dividing it equally amongst yourselves. This will help those who are “too busy for overtime” to reap the rewards from those who have more spare time and can work extra hours.
3. All top management will now be referred to as “the government.” We will not participate in this “pooling” experience because the law doesn't apply to us.
4. The “government” will give eloquent speeches to all employees every week, encouraging it's workers to continue to work hard “for the good of all.”
5. The employees will be thrilled with these new policies because it's “good to spread the wealth". Those of you who have underachieved will finally get an opportunity; those of you who have worked hard and had success will feel more “patriotic.”
6. The last few people who were hired should clean out their desks. Don't feel bad, though, because President Obama will give you free healthcare, free handouts, free oil for heating your home, free food stamps, and he'll let you stay in your home for as long as you want even if you can't pay your mortgage. If you appeal directly to our democratic congress, you might even get a free flatscreen TV and a coupon for free haircuts (shouldn't all Americans be entitled to nice looking hair?) !!!
If for any reason you are not happy with the new policies, you may want to rethink your vote on November 4th.
Who said anything about pubs? I said O can't get
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about 5 pubs
Minority hardly even describes how you think.
Pubs would love that, but no can do.
Somebody from your cowardly party steps us and acknowledges some responsibility and culpibility in this tragedy.
If she is a sideshow, why are the Pubs
keeping her away from the media? Why hasn't she answered one question nor had one interview since she was picked as VP nominee? Seems odd to me, but then, I find JM's choice very odd and not so brilliant.
Like I said, pubs simply do not
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Calling all pubs.
xoxoxoxo
Pubs hate sex
Pubs think sex is a sin - click on link
Exactly! I see no comments from the Pubs.
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Sure and the pubs had no hand in it at all.
Maybe if the pubs weren't so against regulating it may have been averted too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/politics/22mccain.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=politics&pagewanted=print&adxnnlx=1222092873-DDzUm2VKJMYWutTohJrNDQ
maybe sam's one of them rich oil pubs
well-being of the rest of us.
If that's your theory, then the pubs
should have been all for it, but they weren't, were they?
Pubs are the ones with blinders on.
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Didn't say that. You did. It's the pubs who
JM's economic meltdown plan is exactly what now?
Exactly, pubs had to take on the responsibility
to handle the junk the dems left them with. Glad you understand.
Maybe we could just round up all the pubs
so we can actually get some work done this time around!
I do believe the pubs are grasping at
Time for a change; the same isn't working anymore...
Look, if the pubs are going to get a bad wrap
I may as well ruffle your feathers!!!  (At least I'm trying to be PC by posting a nonpartisan-looking smiling)
I don't think it's fair to just say pubs
GP...I have had many dems be downright hateful to me about the fact that i'm too "close minded" and "ignorant" because I won't vote for Obama.
Quite frankly I don't care, because I consider myself an independent. I just happen to be voting republican this time. I wish like heck an independent had become a viable candidate but i'll be amazed if that EVER happens.
"A Few Years Ago" the pubs had the
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I am not bashing - but the same can be said of hte pubs -
The bitter, bitter pubs are still bashing Obama instead of waiting and giving him a chance.
He is our next POTUS and he should be given the respect he is due in that position. Everybody should start with a clean slate - at least let him get started before you tear him down...
Pubs blocking help for big 3?
Okay, its obvious that we are going down financially, but why would republicans want to make it worse? The auto industry is going down, and pubs don't want to help because it's "their problem" and not ours? Granted, a bailout may not work, but doing nothing will definitely not work. Are they really working for the country or taking a gamble and just looking at the next election? Meanwhile, we have yet another day of people losing jobs. Is it Jan 20 yet?
Check this out:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/11/13/tsr.bouldan.gm.bailout.congress.cnn
Everyone (dems and pubs)...(sm)
have said the economy is going to get worse before it gets better, so again, how about something specific?
This is the man the pubs listen to.
Beck began his radio career when he won a local radio contest to be a DJ for an hour, and was eventually granted a part-time job. He hosted Christian radio on Saturday, rock on Sunday and country on weeknights. In the mid 80s he worked at WRKA radio in Louisville, Kentucky as a morning-drive DJ. His show was called Captain Beck and the A-Team.
After graduating from high school, Beck pursued his career as a Top 40 DJ. By the time he was in his 20s, Beck was on WKCI-FM (KC101), a Top 40 radio station in Hamden, Connecticut, hosting the local morning show with Pat Gray. Originally the show was billed as the Glenn and Pat Show. When Gray left the show, Beck continued with co-host Vinnie Penn. While working in Connecticut, he appeared and sang background vocals on The Delrays' Red, White and Blues CD, a fund raising effort by then Governor John Rowland produced by guitarist Tom Guerra. The CD was well received and was promoted by a series of live appearances.Years later, he began to explore the world of talk radio with a three-hour program on KC101's sister station, WELI. Beck then worked at Tampa, Florida's WFLA-AM and launched The Glenn Beck Program during the afternoon drive, filling the slot held by Bob Lassiter after the station's new owners, Clear Channel, fired him. Beck hosted the new radio show, combining politics and comedy. In the first year, The Glenn Beck Program moved from 14th place to the #2 position.
His theme song back in the Tampa days was a copy of the song, "AM Radio" by the band Everclear. "You got Glenn Beck on your AM radio... AM radio."
Within 12 months, Premiere Radio Networks offered Beck the opportunity to go national. In January 2002, The Glenn Beck Program launched nationally; by May 2008, it had reached over 280 stations as well as appearing on XM Satellite. With over six and a half million listeners, it was ranked 4th in the nation.[2] In January 2006, CNN's Headline News announced that Beck would host a nightly news-commentary show in their new primetime block Headline Prime; the show, simply called Glenn Beck, began in May 2006.
On November 5, 2007, The New York Times reported that Premiere Radio Networks was extending Beck's contract. Two sources with knowledge of the deal said the five-year contract was valued at $50 million.[citation needed]
On July 21, 2008, Beck filled in for Larry King on the show Larry King Live.[3]
In 2008, Beck won the Marconi Radio Award for Network Syndicated Personality of the Year.
On October 16, 2008, it was reported by the Drudge Report and The Politico that Beck has signed a contract with the Fox News Channel to host a weekday show at 5pm ET beginning January 19 2009, as well as a weekend version. Because of his new deal, CNN immediately discontinued the show on October 17, 2008 and replaced it with a news hour anchored by Jane Velez Mitchell.
Is this the best this goofball has to offer you pubs...pitiful doesn't begin to cover it!
Pubs want it both ways....(sm)
Having it Both Ways: Republicans Take Credit For 'Pork' In Stimulus Bill They Opposed
Of course, no one's really surprised, right? I just wonder if the Democratic communications staffers will kick into gear and capitalize on this kind of story:
WASHINGTON — Rep. John Mica was gushing after the House of Representatives voted Friday to pass the big stimulus plan.
"I applaud President Obama's recognition that high-speed rail should be part of America's future," the Florida Republican beamed in a press release.
Yet Mica had just joined every other GOP House member in voting against the $787.2 billion economic recovery plan.
Republicans echoed their party line over and over during the debate: "This bill is loaded with wasteful deficit spending on the majority's favorite government programs," as Minority Whip Eric Cantor, R-Va., put it.
But Mica wasn't alone in touting what he saw as the bill's virtues. Rep. Don Young, R-Alaska, also had nice things to say in a press release.
Young boasted that he "won a victory for the Alaska Native contracting program and other Alaska small business owners last night in H.R. 1, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act."
One provision would have made it harder for minority businesses to win contracts, and Young explained that he "worked with members on the other side of the aisle to make the case for these programs, and was able to get the provision pulled from the bill."
Yet later in the day Young — who recently told McClatchy that he would've included earmarks, or local projects, in the bill if it had been permitted — issued another statement blasting the overall measure.
"This bill was not a stimulus bill. It was a vehicle for pet projects, and that's wrong," he protested.
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/having-it-both-ways-republicans-take-
So what do you pubs feel about hip-hop...LOL
Check this out....hilarious 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#29290442
Oh, those pubs and their posturing!! sm
The GOP air is filled with pathetic desperation!!
Silence of the Pubs
The reason for the original post was to show that the Republicans and so called "independents" are quick to blame President Obama when the market is down, yet the cat has their tongues when the market goes up. Apparently, their motto is "If you don't have anything bad to say, don't say anything."
No one is foolish enough to believe that a one-day gain in the stock market means the end of the economic crisis.
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