Well, so far the Dems have raised as issues...

• Divide this board: Bash/attack/smut for Pubs - Issues forum for the Dems. nm
  • Well, so far the Dems have raised as issues... - sam
    • Obama issues clear laid out at DNC. - RNC response nowhere to be found. sm
    • That's the only level pubs will react to. - Campaign strategy is to bury issues, just like her
      • The poster insinuated that the dems were the ones interested in "issues.." - sam
        • Here's one. Palins' stance on war and peace. - Just for starters. nm
          • What? No takers? No surprise there. - How about SP's stance on HLSecurity? nm
        • and turned a blind eye to all the rest - Pubs don't have the courage to discuss. nm
  • See? there you go again, trying to fight - -just being yourself I guess. nm
    • No fight. Just looking for space and issues. - Not popularity contest. nm
      • No, you guys are awful on this board. - Mainly the left, though. hateful. nm
        • Again, search this board's archives to see - Non-stop Obama hatred all summe long. nm
          • I did check. It is much more hatred for the right - being condescending, and bad humor. nm
            • Must have skipped over all the sam control, - Her being the 2nd coming and all. nm
              • ROFL. Second coming. Good grief! nm - sam

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I'm not seeing any discussion about issues.  Can we stick to the issues.  Jeeze - I want to hear good and bad about both candidates but with facts to back whatever is being said.

P-L-E-A-S-E.....I want issues.  How can I make any kind of determinatons about who I'm going to vote for if I don't hear about the issues.  Reading some of this I'm thinking I'd get more truth if I read the National Enquirer.

I just read he was raised by his maternal white grandparents from his teen years to adulthood and all thru college....

But that's not what I meant.....I meant when he is campaigning (I should have made that more clear in the last post) - in every state - I see a predominance of white people.  I do not believe white people are a majority today and if so many like/love Obama, how come from state-to-state I MAINLY see whites?  Again, this is strictly a curious question and not the least bit racist intended........I'm white....

I know black people who are voting for him, personally and famous, voting for him - but on TV and in the campaign only state-to-state, I only see whites...

Be very aware..........

and if his wife is a member of the CFR - trust me, he's involved too.....

New World Order - New American Century - Skull and Bones - read up on it.........

during an economic recession and that lead to The Great Depression.  Obama is the one wanting to raise taxes here.  He wants to raise taxes on companies who are already hurting right now because of the financial crisis.  This will lead to less jobs and more companies closing and going out of the country.  FDR introduced several new deals which were government assistant programs that were supposed to help people during the great depression and those new deals have actually been proven to lengthen the duration of the great depression.....not help it.  Obama wants to introduce new government assisted programs.  To me....Obama will be the absolutely worst thing for this economy.

As for Sarah Palin....at least she has run something which is more than I can say for Obama.  He may have been a community organizer but the buildings in his region that were for low-income families, like the ones owned by Rezko, were often without heat and were horrible living conditions.  Sarah Palin has run a state where she is very popular.  She has cut spending in her state.  She has no problem standing up to her own party.  These are very admirable things.  Yes, Obama has been on the senate but he hasn't been on there very long.  His experience of running things and making executive decisions is seriously lacking.  Instead of cutting back government spending, he wants to raise our taxes.  Gee....that sounds like change, huh.  A man looking out for us little people.....whatever.  Obama has never once stood up against his own party.  His own running mate said he didn't have the experience.  The amount of pork Obama has spent government money on is just outrageous.  The key to this whole thing is to get government under control and stop the spending.....not let government get bigger and control more of OUR money.

This is not in ancient times.  He was a practicing Muslim as an adult.  Question is, is he still a practicing muslim hiding as a Christian.  See link.

http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2008/06/obama-grew-up-muslim-half-brother.html

Certainly I agree the issues you mention must, must, MUST have our attention.  However, what we are doing this year is chosing a leader.  In my most humble opinion it is of the utmost importance to know what kind of person we are chosing to lead us.  We absolutely must look beyond what the politicians say; we must study their character and with whom they associate.  As the saying goes, birds of a feather flock together.

 As a life long Democrat, I am totally against Obama.  There are a number of reasons, not the least of which is his choice of pastors.  I believe his chosen church is a radical, devisive, racist group.  If Pastor What's His name isn't enough; what about the priest who delivered the sermon ridiculing Hillary in that same church?  By no means am I a supporter of Hillary Clinton but that show was disgusting.  Neither can I support John McCain.  I have changed my registration from Democrat to Independent because neither mainstream political party represents my values.  My voice will be heard in the election but I will do a write-in for Lou Dobbs.  Would he make a good or great leader?  I don't know.  He talks the talk but would he walk the walk?  The only thing any of us can do is to vote and vote our convictions......and pray.

such as celebrity, Ayers, etc.??

1.     Civil Rights.  Comprehensive Patriot Act reform.  Expand hate crime status, deceptive voting practices, racial profiling, sentencing disparities for minority offenders and better support programs for ex-offenders as the reintegrate into free world to reduce recidivism in crime rates, incorporate medical treatment for drug offenders into sentencing and rehabilitation initiatives.

2.     Economy.  Job creation such as green jobs (clean technology, renewable energy), invest in national infrastructure jobs, address outsourcing issues such as NAFTA reform, end tax breaks for companies who outsource, tax incentives for companies who preserve American jobs, tax relief for the middle class, tax relief for small businesses and start-up businesses, ensure workers' freedom to unionize and right to organize, raise minimum wage, clean up mortgage industry, address predatory credit card practices.

3.     Ethics.  Address lobbying, federal contracts, tax breaks, earmarks and special interests practices and reform.

4.     Faith.  Maintain strict constitutional separation of church and state and ensure freedom of all religions. 

5.     Fiscal.  Fiscal discipline, balance budget, reduce debt, tax system reform for better efficiency.

6.     Foreign Policy.  End war in Iraq, reform contracting practices relative to war reparations, restore alliances, renew American diplomacy, particularly in the Middle East, strengthen NATO, address global poverty, nuclear waste cleanup and nonproliferation.

7.     Health Care.  Quality, affordable, portable health care, accessible for all Americans, lower costs across the board and particularly for prescription drugs.

8.     Immigration.  Streamline immigration bureaucracy, legalization initiatives that keep families together, expansion of bilingual education for special needs of immigrants who seek legal status,  eliminate incentive to immigrate illegally by cracking down on employers who hire illegals, a better working partnership with Mexico to promote economic development to reduce illegal immigration.

9.     Poverty.  Expansion of transitional jobs and career pathway programs aimed at low-income Americans in workforce, Green Job Corp, improve transportation access to jobs, promote responsible fatherhood, Community Development Block Grant programs, affordable housing.

10.   Rural.  Subsidize family farmers, not agribusiness, encourage organic and local agriculture, connect rural America with communications infrastructure improvements, improve health care delivery, education and roads, bridges, dams infrastructure

11.   Seniors and Select Specialty Hospital.  Protect Social Security, affordable health care, develop community based senior supportive care systems, expand outreach for seniors.

12.   Technology.  Insure an open internet as highway to connected and transparent democracy, modernize communications infrastructure.  FCC reform to promote diversity in media ownership. 

13.   Women's issues.  Protect Roe-vs-Wade, promote sex education in schools, access to birth control and promote stem cell research. 

I didn't know this - very interesting.  Funny how much you can learn by researching.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=302137342405551

9/11/2001:  We all talk about 9/11.  How Pres. Bush should have known.  We did lose a lot of lives that day.  It was truly a sad day.  However, what about the World Trade Center bombing back in ྙ when Clinton was the pres.  That was by Islamic extremists.  Or about the US Embassy bombings in ྞ....also while Bill was in office suspect to have been coordinated by Osama Bin Laden.  Or the USS Cole incident in 2000 and once again Bill was in the White House and once again Osama was the suspect in the planning.  All these terrorists acts but the one people shout out about the most in 9/11 and how Bush is to blame.  Why?  Because more lives were lost in this one than with the other ones.  Weren't they all still terrorist attacks?  If Clinton had stood up and done something during his term....maybe 9/11 would not have happened at all but yet the blame all falls upon Bush.

Katrina:  Once again all Bush's faults and therefore all republicans faults.  Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff was the "federal official with the power to mobilize a massive federal response to Hurricane Katrina, [and] could have ordered federal agencies into action without any request from state or local officials."  "If you go back to August 27th," President Bush had already "declared a state of emergency in the state of Louisiana under Title V of the Stafford Act, ... Ergo, Katrina became an Incident of National Significance on August 27th -- two days before the storm. But Chertoff apparently didn't realize this and waited till a day after [on August 30th] to make the determination on his own, one that according to the flow chart had already been made."  Honestly though, if you live in a place that is well below sea level and you hear a really bit storm is coming your way.....common sense.....you get the heck out of dodge.

Iraq war:  The reason for the war was this:  The military objectives of the invasion were; end the Hussein regime; eliminate weapons of mass destruction; eliminate Islamic terrorists; obtain intelligence on terrorist networks; distribute humanitarian aid; secure Iraq’s oil infrastructure; and assist in creating a representative government as a model for other Middle East nations

As for Wall Street:  Firms such as Goldman Sachs and Lehman not only made billions of dollars packaging and selling these toxic loans, they also wagered with their own capital that the values of these investments would decline, further raising their profits. If any other industries engaged in such knowingly unscrupulous activities, there would be an immediate federal investigation.

At the same time, federal regulatory agencies such as the SEC stood idly by as Wall Street took advantage of the investment public during both the Internet and the housing bubbles. The SEC took almost no action against Wall Street after the dot-com implosion. And in the midst of the housing bubble, in 2006, only the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency pushed for any level of regulation to address subprime lending.

One has to wonder why Treasury secretaries under Presidents Clinton and Bush -- Robert Rubin and Hank Paulson, respectively -- took no action to curb these abuses. It certainly was not because they did not understand Wall Street's practices -- both are former chief executives of Goldman Sachs. And why has Congress been so silent? The Wall Street investment banking firms, their executives, their families and their political action committees contribute more to U.S. Senate and House campaigns than any other industry in America. By sprinkling some of its massive gains into the pockets of our elected officials, Wall Street bought itself protection from any tough government enforcement.

This is no doubt the same reason why so many members of Congress were consistently blocking attempts to reform and downsize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which are essentially giant, undercapitalized hedge funds. These two entities have been huge money machines for Democrats in both the House and the Senate, many of whom recently had the gall to ask why these companies hadn't been reformed in the past. Nor should several Republican congressmen and Senators who likewise contributed to watering down legislation aimed at reforming these institutions be let off the hook.