Well by all means, in the usual fairness...
Posted By: sam on 2008-08-30
In Reply to: The only guy that made a mess is - John McWayne. sm
of the as-far-from-democratic-Democratic Party...guilty until proven innocent, bash, belittle, and then turn right around in the SAME post and accuse someone else of the same. You need to get a new schtick. YOur number one does not have as much experience as the Repub #2. Yet you keep bringing experience into the conversation.
As to self destruct, not seeing it. Got a little bounce and sucked ALL the air out of the britney spears stage speech.
I am not at all underestimating the clintons....your #1 is, and the DNC is.
Yes, by all means, toe that party line. lol.
As far as your last line...THANK GOD for that!! And may i remind you, on the issue of experience...when Hillary Clinton ran for her NY state senate seat, she had NO experience in government whatsoever, unless you consider running around behind Bill cleaning up his messes experience. She had held absolutely NO legislative positions but I am sure you would agree she has been an effective senator...right?
Puhlezzzzz. Double standard is SHOWING. And all Bill had done before he became Prez was be a governor. Double standard is SHOWING.
geeeez. lol.
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You don't have it quite right, as usual. sm
McNasty called Letterman to cancel his appearance on the show because he had to leave for Washington DC "immediately" to help fix the financial mess, and he was getting ready to board a jet (right then).
Then, McNasty was incidentally noted (and filmed) to be taping a show with Katie Couric at the VERY SAME TIME he would have been on Letterman. He lied to Letterman. Letterman is angry, and rightly so. As Keith Olbermann, his fill-in guest for McDemented, "You (to Letterman) got dissed by McCain."
And another thing, sam, I watched several different stations last night. All people I saw said the meeting in Washington DC was with a specified committee which did not want the candidates to come. The committee wanted to keep politics out of the meeting. They said to not come. So, McCain just took it upon himself to make this self-fulfilling political ploy. All the newscasters and pundits said the same thing--McCain was using that as a political ploy as his ratings are sinking and he's scared.
Since they were requested not to attend the meeting is the reason Obama said he was available if they need him, the statement which so angered you yesterday.
Well, on that I have something to say....as usual. LOL
First, the clothes just goes to prove that the RNC made Palin into what THEY wanted her to be. But she had to agree to it. So she's no "reformer."
As for "REV" (and I use the title loosely) Wright. Of course Obama knew he was a radical racist, no doubt in my mind about THAT. That is my BIG problem with him. I could not care less about Ayers of what? 50 years ago?. I've seen no evidence that Obama is a terrorist or for that matter that Ayers is this day though I believe he ought to be in prison for what he did. I also don't care about where Obama was born or whatever else. Usually a married couple hangs together so I'm assuming if Michelle is the radical racist, and I believe she is, then he would probably go along with her. Even with this MAJOR issue I have with him, I will still vote AGAINST McCain and take a chance. Hopefully the Congress will have enough members to stop any foolishness.
I wonder why the pubs aren't railing on the "Rev" Wright/Obama association instead of the stupid stuff. Hopefully pubs and dems have bothered to go to his church's website and read up on what they preach. I would assume that all members go along with it or they wouldn't be attending church there. You can bet on one thing....if McCain's church preached any such rhetoric, the dems would be all over it...but then there's the "p.c." issue.
In all fairness. sm
This isn't your list. It's copied and pasted from BuzzFlash. Link below. I only mention it because there was a time some time back when you guys went ballistic on some on the conservative board for doing this.
In all fairness
One thing I agree with you on, if Obama is elected, I fully believe there will be an assassination or at least an attempt. God forbid that should happen. I would far prefer Biden in the Oval office instead of Gov. Airhead. "Experience" in Washington means nothing to me, in fact I would prefer NO Washington experience, provided the Gov. had anything between her ears besides air.
In all fairness. s/m
Someone mentioned Obama's voting record. Has anyone actually looked at his voting record...or McCain's? Obama didn't vote 46.3% of the time. McCain didn't vote 64.1% of the time!!! I find where Obama missed 1 important vote, McCain missed many. In fact, McCain looks like he hardly voted at all in the last couple of years except to speed to Washington to make sure his Wall Street buds got their bail-out. In all fairness, many of the votes both failed to vote on were nothing than motions for cloture (or however you spell that word).
In all fairness
People overseas can vote via e-mail. While I understand that not all of them do and all votes should be counted, there is an alternative to whatever mail problems exist. They only need to go to the FVAP web site. That being said, not everyone in Iraq is lucky enough to have internet access and, from what my husband says, the e-mail voting is quite a pain in the behind because things have to be faxed and all kinds of stuff.
In all fairness...
I am sure that nobody has the time to read every e-mail that he will get. I am sure that they filter them for threats and such, but I doubt he will ever read it unless it is a real standout! Nothing against you, just can't imagine how many e-mails he must get.
And in all fairness
They had to have them disinfected from the Clinton administration. I had heard that it just oozed with cooties.
As usual, delusional.
We suppose you'd be the first to whine about freedom from health care worries with a national health care system, or, say, four to six paid weeks off a year, and oh, say, a guaranteed pension for granny when she gets too old to hobble to work at Wal-Mart. You don't want workplace protection for America's workers, or a living wage, or standards of ethics for corporations as well as the people they hire. You like seeing America's wealth funneled to a few happy guys at the top while 90% of those who actually work to produce goods and services get the crumbs.
There are equitable ways to structure law and government and business that both encourage free market enterprise and keep acceptable standards of income and benefits for the average American. However, you're so busy rah-rahing a system that history tells us leads nowhere except total annihilation and collapse that you don't seem to be aware of history at all. Where do you think you're going to be when it caves? - that's what happens to capitalism when you remove all obligation and restriction - and taxes - from that top 1%.
And just to show you how utterly and ridiculously misguided your loyalities are, take note of the fact that YOU apparently have swallowed hook, line and sinker the notion that it's preferable to tax hell out of wages and leave the capital profits of the rich alone, rather than have NO taxes on earned wages, and tax hell out of superfluous capital gains as it should be, and is, in every better society on earth. You're hooked totally against your better interests and the better interests 99% of American citizens in fact. Sorry they've done that to you and hope some day you come around and see the current system for what it is, and stop fighting so hard to make yourself a slave.
Last-worditis, as usual.
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As usual, still no response other....(sm)
than a Dr. Phil tantrum.
as usual....can't defend...
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I saw this interview. As usual, . . . sm
all weasel, whiny and blustering, and no answers. SOS, and losing more credibility with each passing day!! And he's the best they got?!
There you go again JTBB. As usual,
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Definitely! And insightful, as usual.
I was only addressing the question of why Obama did not just flip the magical ''O'' switch and instantly change this. Not whether he actually should. When a US politician campaigns with the slogan ''two chickens in every pot'' does anybody still believe him in this day and age? If so, I've got some swamp land I'd like to unload...
In all fairness, gourdpainter,
I don't really think Obama is going to come right out and admit that he is friends with Ayers - that would spell disaster for his campaign and plans. I have learned I cannot trust what is fed to me, so I watch all of the stations, including Fox, and I read through tons of information on the internet and make up my own mind instead of letting the media make it up for me.
I will tell you, when this campaign first started, I was so excited to hear what he had to say about the issues and to think he has young kids, etc., etc., but the more I have researched (just facts with proof), I have decided that I cannot vote for this man. He is not who I believe will take America forward. His policies most definitely I don't agree with but I cannot accept a man whose character is questionable.
If you are really concerned about fairness -
I don't understand you folks. I am very concerned about the military having their say in the voting process - I have a son in the military and I want his vote counted (even though he voted for McCain), I have an exhusband in Iraq (who I am sure would not waste his time voting for anybody), but I want their votes counted; however, if you want to be fair then even the homeless people "who do not contribute anything" have the right to vote. Being homeless does not take away their basic rights in this country. You are all talking about how Obama is going to take away this, or take away that, or do this, or do that to the people, but now you are advocating not letting a homeless person vote becaues they don't have a permanent address.
You know what, I have come close to being homeless several times in my life due to unfortunate situations - one of those time when my husband was a SOLDIER and the Army did not pay us for a whole month - and I don't think that homeless people are the scum of the earth and should just be discounted. Any one of us could find ourselves right there on that park bench beside them at any time. If the United States were a better place, then we would not have homeless people sitting on those benches anyway!
I cannot believe the lack of compassion that people in the United States are now showing toward their fellow countrymen!
It doesn't. Now in all fairness....
the campaign says they "had nothing directly" to do with that. Like they had nothing directly to do with Acorn and then had to return 800G. And like they did not provide a list of maxed out donors so Acorn could hit them for get out the vote contributions and registration efforts. Like Acorn is not in the tank for Obama.
Sounds more like the old USSR than the USA.
Then fairness should go on the other hand
Just skip over the posts you don't like.
In all fairness, it won't matter if they
do want to attend to anything with a dem majority. Think Pelosi will get that private plane now? LOL. The party needs to reboot, that's for sure. This is exactly why I don't like a one party majority. We need those checks and balances from both sides, brilliantly set up by our forefathers.
Fairness Doctrine
oh no its not. Geez. Please watch the actual news programs.
Thank you for your fairness and tolerance......nm
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The Fairness Doctrine
No one in the Democratic party ever seriously considered restoring the Fairness Doctrine. Someone occasionally will bring it up, but it never goes beyond committee and it dies there. It's not on the Democratic agenda nor will it be. It's yet another canard invented by the right-wing noise machine.
More Fairness Doctrine
The Senate voted to approve a bill granting representation to Washington DC in congress. However, Senate Republican Steering Committee Chairman Jim DeMint (S.C.) and Senate Republican Conference Vice Chairman John Thune (S.D.) added a totally unrelated amendment to the bill prohibiting reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine. The Senate passed the measure 87-11.
In response, Senate Majority Whip D*ck Durbin (D-Ill) proposed an amendment that called for the FCC to encourage diversity in media ownership. This proposal simply re-stated current existing law. It passed 57-41 despite the fact that every single Republican in the Senate voted against it.
So to summarize, the Senate passed an amendment to allow congressional voting privileges for Washington DC, but Senate Republicans added a totally unrelated amendment that prohibits reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine, which the FCC wasn't considering and the Obama administration never supported. Nevertheless, the Democratic-controlled Senate overwhelmingly passed it anyway 87-11. Then, when a Democrat introduced a measure to "encourage diversity in media ownership," every single Senate Republican voted against it.
DeMint told reporters that Democratic efforts to legally encourage diversity in media ownership would open a "back door to censorship."
Uh, okay Jim. Whatever you say. Could this be because the vast majority of the mass media in this country are owned by Republicans? Liberal bias in the media? Gimme a break.
She said let's debate. Instead you want to argue as usual.
You're delusional. As usual.
Nobody told Army Mom not to speak or even that she wasn't entitled to her opinion. But she DID seem to feel she was speaking for all soldiers and seemed to be totally unaware that most soldiers hold a different view of the war than she does. That unawareness can't go unchallenged. Read any military message board and you'll see for yourself that it's an ostrich-head-in-the-sand kind of thing. Soldiers aren't stupid. Many of them know the deal. Many pretend they don't. Some just like it and don't care why they're there. There are all kinds of opinions on the message boards, not just one view. But most want to get the heck out and come home because they know they've been used and set up and put in harm's way for no good reason. Anyone who's been paying attention knows it too.
Imagine that; the usual suspects who
more to offer than more of the same swiftboating as the Kool-Aid drunks applaud them.
again...as usual...paid no attention...
The taking one more shot post appeared LONG before your cease fire....you just had not seen it yet. But it would not have mattered. I didn't read this latest diatribe...too tired and really don't give a darn. And I will give you a clue dear, one of those 4-letter words...I did not say the GOP then does not resemble the GOP now....in fact I agree whole-heartedly. The GOP has turned into Democrat lite. Which is why I don't belong to the grand old party anymore. Only register as Repub in primary years because if I didn't, I couldn't vote, and I want to have a say, no matter how small. You should really ask questions before you jump off the deep end...but you don't care, because you are always right, aren't you? Speaking from that high horse of moral authority. You must have the word "bigot" in your shortcuts, you sure invoke it enough. LOL. Really too bad that just you typing it here doesn't make it true....or maybe it is, the gospel according to Globetrotter....LOL geezzz.
As usual. Dodging the issue.
Your comfort zone has everything to do with why you "won't go there."
What I saw was old washington poltiics as usual....
and a new fresh face and real change. Guess which was which. Biden is the poster boy for what is WRONG with this country.
Oh, but please try to make it look like more than one of you is posting, as usual. Please? nm
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As usual, quite the opposite is true.
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Once again, gt, you are not thinking from a base of fairness.
But I didn't expect you to. And when another poster actually did, you responded with HOW COULD YOU. I expected that, as well. So much for philosophical conversation, exploring intent, and misspeaking. I notice you never mentioned Maher, which, again, is typical. I drew a cogent correlation and you dismissed it completely. Again, expected. Thank you, Gadfly, for the conversation.
Okay, in all fairness, the link does not work for me either. nm
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I like equality and fairness.....like most grown-ups...nm
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It is called the Fairness Doctrine Act
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There needs to be equality and fairness in congress
Don't shoot me - these are only my observations. Granted I have been very busy with work only catching the news in between, but what I have seen over the past few days or a week is that the republicans are not being treated fairly by the democrats. I voted for Obama because I believed that he would be the best choice and like he said he would be able to get the republicans and democrats to be able to work together. I didn't see that with McCain. I didn't vote for Obama because of his plans because I knew it was just campaigning and all a bunch of garbage. No president yet to this date has ever fulfilled their campaign promises. But I voted for Obama because I believed he would unite the two parties together and maybe something could get done in Washington to help the people. What I have seen so far is just too sad beyond words. More failed promises. I was truly hoping for some "class", but I don't see it happening and I'm not sure if it's worse than it was before. Granted it's only been a couple weeks and I keep hoping things will turn around, but seems like all the people Obama is picking for his cabinet members are democrats (and crooked ones at that) with maybe one or two republicans to give the illusion that he is giving fairness to both sides. As for the congress, all I see on the news is they are acting like a bunch of spoiled children. They are blatantly ignoring republicans as thought they are children saying "we won and you didn't nana nana na na. We don't have to listen to you now nana nana na na" (remember that little song you used to do as kids). There many great republicans and many great democrats. My husband keeps telling me we have to have check and balance. He said these republicans represent part of the country too. Not every person in this country is a democrat and if we give full reign to them that is when you have a dictatorship (tyranny or whatever you want to call it) and they will pass anything they want to paying back all the people who bought them and they promised favors to.
The last administration was certainly not one of the best, but neither was the Clinton or Carter either. DH and I were talking about it last night and he said during Carter administration it was so bad that the only thing out there was the military to join, and that it what I am seeing starting to happen here.
I don't think anything should be "given" to either one side or the other, but the republicans deserve to be treated with the same respect that people are demanding they treat the democrats with. There are good ideas on both sides and if congress is filled with people lining their own pockets then maybe they need to be fired now so we can start again with people who care about the American people and what is happening to the country.
I believe that congress should be filled with people from outside of washington. There are so many good politicians in each state (ones we have never heard of yet), who do good things. Maybe it's time to get rid of people like Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, and all the "stable" washington crowd and replace with people who have a proven record of doing good for our country.
Fairness Doctrine, cont.
Did Pelosi write or sponsor or introduce a bill regarding the Fairness Doctrine? Is it on the Democratic Party platform? Is there pending legislation in the House or the Senate?
The Fairness Doctrine was started in 1949 when media outlets were very limited. It was stopped in 1987 and is unenforceable. Again, the right-wing noise machine takes a remark out of context and tries to build an issue where none exists.
It's ridiculous that the president actually had to announce the fact that Democrats have no intention of trying to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=68d07041-7dbc-451d-a18a-752567145610
Fairness Doctrine is Alive and Well
DH told me it's in our paper today, that Schumer is promoting it, but I couldn't find anything on line.
I did find a few articles and the one posted below is the most recent (by Sen. Inhofe) that I could find:
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/93765
That's the usual plan of attack. Buckle up! nm
Nope. Because he DOES have experience in Washington as usual....
THAT was the point that I am sorry you missed, I should have been more clear. I apologize. Sarah Palin is the only one in this race who is not Washington politics as usual, and McCain is the only one saying Washington needs to be cleaned up and he means both parties. THAT is what we need. REAL change. Not more of the same old Washington politics.
And he does have experience in socialism and is invested in it. That kind of experience, with all due respect, is not what the country needs...in my opinion.
Did they move your usual voting place? sm
Several polling places in a town of about 75,000 about 60 miles from here were moved just 2 days before the election. It was on the news Sunday night. I have to wonder what the reasoning behind this was and how many people didn't get that news?
I'm glad you finally got to vote!
Obama - No change, just politics as usual
So much for a more transparent administration. It seems to be just more of politics as usual. So, Obama is having personnel problems already. He has not even been in office 3 weeks and now TWO of his cabinet members have tax problems? First it was Geithner who "forgot" he had to pay taxes plus had an illegal working for him. And now Tom Daschle??
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28958689
Hmmm...let me see...when I had "tax problems" it cost me that problem plus interest and fines. So, I guess if you are an Obama appointee, it doesn't matter whether you pay taxes or not. Gee......with all the problems in our economy, maybe I should get a job in Washington as an Obama appointee. In like Flynn in my opinion.
I am so glad I didn't drink the kool-aid.
Right! Beck is a threat to the left so as usual,
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Who cares....that's just business as usual in Detroit. sm
That is not as flippant as it sounds. Detroit has been sucking off the gov't teat for as long as I have lived in Michigan. They got rid of the mayor because of stuff like this. The Synagro scandal even reached over to my side of the state, in Grand Rapids. So there was a big who-ha and then all the righteous indignation died down and life went on.
IMHO Detroit needs to be cut off Michigan, floated up the St. Lawrence Seaway and out into the ocean. Maybe somebody out there will take pity on them and give them a home.
In all fairness, your posts were attacking and unkind. sm
And may have even been unfounded. I believe both of you were off base with the posts. I have once again posted a reminder at the top of the board.
You lefties are so fair....the fairness is staggering...
attack him for not paying attention to hurricane and then attack him for paying attention to hurricane. Just proves that all you want to do is attack, attack, attack.
oops was typing faster than usual - I meant
you had already decided before the debate began that you believed Biden had won.
backwards as usual, it's because BUSH DVETOED REGULATION sm
My goodness, do you not have any of the facts? I'm finished with you.
As usual, bringing up the past...how 'bout something original...
your inexperienced leader is already in over his head. It's okay sweetie, you'll get used to hearing your leader bashed and getting no respect. We had to endure that for 8 years now you will for the next 4.
In all fairness, the O rarely voted at all since his campain started
Go check his record on the government site, but in all fairness, McCain didn't vote much either since this campaign. Still I think he voted more than the O. Correct me if I'm wrong.
AND NO BASHING. Serious question here. I don't have time to count every vote and I did try to do that a month ago and posted my results.
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