We are broke now in an economic meltdown and
Posted By: re "fellow prisoners" stuck in a..sm on 2008-10-10
In Reply to: We'll all be broke with no more freedom (nm) - Just like you will be
post-911 mindset. There is only one way out for those who look forward to what lays beyond that quagmire. I'll give you a hint. It does not involve a right turn.
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I prefer the definition of economic meltdown.
Ignore it and your campaign will go down in flames.
Bush is the one that CAUSED this economic meltdown.
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In the current economic meltdown....he has to inspire confidence...
fortunately for me, I am reaping the benefits of one of his agendas. I would be absolutely THRILLED if he can accomplish it all within the time limits he has imposed upon himself - but, he has an army of congress to aid our progress - how much will the pubs obstruct? I guess we will have to wait to see. I could pisss in my cheerios and embrace your negativity but I'd rather go to bed and have fabulous sex with my husband - we have something to celebrate.
Poll: In current economic, social and economic
The IDEA of:
- Full employment.
- Shorter work week.
- Guaranteed minimum wage income for all adults.
- Universal social benefits to include health care, child care, vacation time and lifelong access to education and training.
- Programs to ensure gender equality.
- Democratization of our banking and financial system, including popular election for those in charge of public sterwardship in the banking system.
- Employees control over their own pension assets.
- Alternative financial institutions controlled by local community members (similar to credit unions).
Chris is on the way to a meltdown
Not only was he rude but he's getting worse and worse as the democrats ratings keep dropping. Talk about a pit bull (without lipstick). He's attacking his guests not giving them a chance to answer the questions. That's not "pinning someone to the wall like a bug". That's just rude. He should ask the guest a question, let him answer, and then respond to his answer. To badger and not let your guest answer a question you ask while giving free reighn (sp?) to the democratic guest is just pure horse hockey. After today I no longer watch his show. I want some truth and clear cut answers and I believe every guest should be allowed to answer a question in full without the host bullying him (which by the way I do not believe Obama called Sarah a pig). Still is no excuse for Mathews to act like that. He's supposed to be a host and treat both sides fairly. That he does not do. He did this to other guests and luckily they said to him let me answer your question. MSNBCs ratings are going down the tube and they just lost one more viewer.
It's a meltdown, and heads are starting
to explode!
Okay....let's see...McCain picked the financial meltdown...
as the #1 issue. OBama picked his run for the Presidency. Meaning he is always going to put Barack first. McCain put his country first. End of story.
The candidate who runs from the economy during a meltdown
it is plain to see which side of the fence the hate is coming from.
Fact remains....McCain saw this meltdown coming....
and the Dems would not listen. They did not want to upset the golden apple cart. And we the people are left holding the bag. Do I want one of them in the white house while we are trying to work our way out of this? No way, no how, nobama.
Wrong. Democrats are responsible for the mortgage meltdown, not Bush....
McCain tried to tell them in 2005...Dems blocked the regulation he begged for for Fannie/Freddie. But the Dems were too deep in the pockets...Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelick, James Johnson, Timothy Howard...all democrats, all walked away from fannie Mae with golden parachutes of millions...and we are left holding the bag. Fannie contributed more to Chris Dodd, Democratic head of Banking and COmmerce committe than any other senator in the past 20 years...followed closely by Barack Obama, who has only been IN the senate for 2 years...you do the math and follow the money. Democrats largely responsible for this. ANd you want to put one in the white house. Who wants to raise taxes in this financial crisis. What part of collapse of the economy don't you...and Mr. Obama...understand?
I don't believe he broke any laws
You believe that he did. We're at an impasse. I don't hate America I put America first before the rest of the world, but I guess I'm just selfish enough to take care of my home first. I'm a baaaad person I guess.
When the Levees Broke...sm
In anniversary of Hurricane Katrina August 29, 2005 Spike has put together a documentary When the Levees Broke. I saw this this morning and I am sickened with shame on how the feds handled it. Don't get me wrong, I was mad before but now multiply that x 10 and that's where I'm at.
Aside from Barbara Bush's snide remarks, the most taletell sign of incompasionate incompetence was first Blanco inability to negotiate federal assistance when Bush strode into town 5 days later. And last but definitely not least, Bush's unwillingness to act as Commander in Chief and take control of the situation.
Can you believe that even as people were drowning in their attics, Bush and Blanco were having a disagreement over state rights???
:-(
I went to the NPR site, who broke this story...
all they say is some information was added that made it "more favorable." They do not say that any of the information added was untrue, and they do not say any derogatory information was taken off. This blog indicates they know it was a McCain supporter. NPR says no one knows who did it, and because of the way the editing accounts are structured, no one will ever know it. What matters is that none of the information added was incorrect, and nothing was removed, according to NPR, which while they are left leaning, I would trust them more than a blog.
We'll all be broke with no more freedom (nm)
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Well, apparently Fox broke the story.
Whether it's a lie or not, who knows? Frankly, I don't care. She lost. Period. It's over.
However, regarding Chris Matthews, and in the spirit of trying to be objective here, I watched his show tonight. He interviewed Governor Pawlenty, asked him a number of rather leading questions to which my understanding of the Governor's answers were rather noncommittal, and at the end, Matthews said, "Well, okay..." you said this, and this and this... (can't remember the exact words), and Pawlenty made a comment about Matthews' poor editing skills if that was what Matthews got from Pawlenty's statements.
I was sitting here, kind of shaking my head and wondering what's happening to Chris Matthews, because his assessment of Pawlenty's words sure didn't match what I heard the Governor say.
I don't believe I've seen Chris this "frazzled" for a long time. Maybe he needs a vacation or something, but I didn't care for what I saw tonight. 
Yes, and Hamas once again broke the peace.
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Here's a link describing who broke what.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/05/israelandthepalestinians
There was a truce. Hamas broke it and sent
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You can go broke funding them for all I care..
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It wouldn't surprise me if it broke out....(sm)
into a full fledged civil war. With everything that's going on over there right now, that would be a huge mess. However, this may be the only way for Iranian people to break out of it. I think those who would revolt would definitely get a lot of backing though. I just don't know how much the US could do to back them considering how our resources are so thin right now.
YOU BROKE THE TRUCE, YOU FRIGGING MORON!
In case you're not aware, you are on the LIBERAL BOARD. How can she blow a truce if she is on the LIBERAL BOARD, not visiting the conservative board, but YOU REFUSE TO LEAVE THE LIBERAL BOARD? YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS BREAKING THE TRUCE, YOU IDIOT.
As far as being respectful, you simply don't know the meaning of the word.
Hillary is broke, had to loan herself 5 million.sm
LOL. Maybe she will use her money and Bill's speaking engagement fees to pay for our new Universal Healthcare Program.
Clinton loaned her campaign $5 million
Senator Hillary Clinton confirmed at a press conference in Virginia this afternoon that she'd loaned her campaign $5 million, and said, "The results last night proved the wisdom of my investment.."
Spokesman Howard Wolfson emailed with the news minutes earlier:
Late last month Senator Clinton loaned her campaign $5 million.The loan illustrates Sen. Clinton’s commitment to this effort and to ensuring that our campaign has the resources it needs to compete and win across this nation. We have had one of our best fundraising efforts ever on the web today and our Super Tuesday victories will only help in bringing more support for her candidacy.
As I reported earlier, she's drawing on a pool of personal wealth estimated to be as much as $41 million, as well as a reported payout to Bill Clinton of $20 million from the Los Angeles billionaire manager Ron Burkle.
Clinton told reporters that her fundraising was healthy, but that "my opponent was able to raise more money, and we intended to be competitive, and we were."
Clinton also emailed supporters today with an ambitious online fundraising goal: to, over the course of three days, "raise $3 million to fund our history-making campaign."
Give peace a chance cuz we are broke now.
McCain graduated 5th from the last in a class of nearly 900 from the Naval Academy. He crashed 4 times before being shot down after being in the air for 20 hours. They accepted him for the family's legacy. He was obviously unqualified to be a Navy pilot.
And Sarah, pretty as she is (the news net works have her picture all over my screen as if she is a super model), would be a nightmare of a VP - and it has nothing to do with her stand on reproductive rights.
Did you watch 60 min?
Or we'd be BROKE buying his carbon credits
while he's rolling in the dough.
Quick! Someone call the pound. AG's pit bull broke loose from
Economic Downfall sm
When you have 5 minutes, watch this; it's causing quite a "furor" in the online community! =)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNmcf4Y3lGM
Economic definitions.............
Recession is when your neighbor loses his job.
Depression is when you lose yours.
Recovery is when Obama loses his.
McCain economic plan...
Click on the individual windows to get the complete plan.
http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/jobsforamerica/
Don't agree. His economic plan will...
kill what economy is left. How do you give 95% of the country a tax cut when nowhere near that many even pay taxes? He will add a trillion or more to the deficit with all his plans...and how is he going to pay for that with even less tax money coming in? Oh I forgot...he is going to tax those making over $250,000. Which will kill jobs from small businesses who are S corporations (there are thousands of those) and file their income taxes personally and not as a business. Oh well. That's just what they get for being successful...they lose their business or have to downsize. Thank you so much, Mr. Obama. That will put even more people in the lower class because of job losses. If ANYone is going to divide into rich and lower class and no in between, it is Obama.
ACORN is definitely an economic issue.....
When thousands of fraudulent voters are going to the polls being counted as a vote, even though they do not truly exist in the first place, and Obama gets elected due to voter fraud, which he himself has paid to help enforce, how do you not see that as affecting our economy?
The majority of those dumb enough to help with the fraud are sadly enough easily led individuals who can't think for themselves and just do what they are told. They help to put a man in office who is going to tax them even more and they don't have the sense to know it! You don't think that affects your economy?
By the way, I am Independent.. McCain does't rock my boat either but Obama makes me want to puke!
Obama's economic plan.......
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Probably appointing economic team...
It may seem that he's acting a little early, but given the economic state of this country, I don't think that's such a bad thing.
He also has a parent-teacher meeting just before that...good for him!
Obama not going to attend economic
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Obama's economic plan
Number one, thanks for a thoughtful, relevant topic.
Number two, Obama's plan starts with rolling back the tax breaks for the wealthy that the Bush administration enacted to pre-Bush status and not make them permanent. A big step in the right direction would also be to tax the stratospheric earnings of equity-fund managers as income at 35% rather than as capital gains at 15% (they can surely afford it) and penalize them for moving their funds offshore.
Number three, all bets are off the table in light of the current GLOBAL economic crisis. The Obama administration will be so busy putting out fires they didn't start that it'll be difficult to enact any long-term or short-term economic plan. I know healthcare is a sore subject, but it's a potentially huge stimulus for middle-class folks, and huge stimuli are needed in times of severe GLOBAL recession.
Our economic situation is in no way as simple as that...wish it were!.....sm
What Mr. Rogers (love the name!) does not take into account in this equation is that in our particular case, which he did not forsee before his death, I believe, is much different. There are many hardworking, ethical, proud Americans who are very reluctantly receiving "handouts" from the government because there ARE NO JOBS to be had, the bills are due, the house is on the auction block, cannot afford medicine for a sick child, food for a starving family, heat and shelter....there are definitely people who abuse the system and use it as their piggy bank, but nowadays it can be me, you, your neighbor, anyone, no matter how many years you have worked hard, no matter how you have tried, we are in a crisis of almonst UNPRECEDENTED proportions, and still gettin worse. As for the rich, please do not get me started....TAKE from them???? don't you think that they are robbing all the American People and the System when they use all types of tax loopholes not to pay their fair share of taxes, when they move operations overseas for cheap labor and once again to avaid American taxes, when they pay lobbyists, who pay politicians, to look the other way in Congress on bills that would hurt big business but might HELP Amerfican workers???? Okay, I could go on, but I guess you get the idea how this poster feels about that particular quote. All for freedom, yes. But Free Enterprise has become the Evil Empire, as in Star Wars, (okay, hokey analogy!), and until we get that particular 2000 pound elephant out of the room and roasted, we are sunk as a nation.
I used the last economic stimulus check
It was costing me about $25 in quarters every time I went to the laudromat. Not to mention gasoline and time spent not typing. I used the $600 to buy myself a portable washing machine (attaches to sink in kitchen when in use) and a portable drier. They use very little electricity. Washer uses very little water (good thing, now that we're in a major drought), and only a teaspoon of detergent per load. So it's nice to no longer have to pay at the pump and at the 'mat!
Lots of ways to cut down costs and giving our money to the government in taxes. I now pay all my bills online. Costs me nothing. Saves me a stamp (the price of which is going up AGAIN this spring), and the use of a check that i had to pay to have printed.
If they want to send me another $400, I'm sure not gonna complain. As a single renter with no kids, I have ZERO tax breaks. Last year, the I overpaid and Calif. OWED me $300. Then they very conveniently 're-figured' my taxes, and sent me a letter saying I actually made LESS MONEY than I had put on my return, and by their calculations, they didn't owe me anything. (???) If I made less money, but still overpaid the same amount in taxes, shouldn't they owe me MORE? Needless to say, if I owe them this year, they might just be getting a $300 IOU. They can spend their bailout money collecting it from me.
Please share your ideas for economic
What do you think would be the best course of action?
Well, O had the Economic Summit today and
the stock market is tanking again. It's down to -212. I have never seen the INDP as low as today at 7154. I think part of it is because they talked about nationalizing CitiGroup and Bank of America.
We all gonna drown. Hope you all have a life jacket.
And your solution to the economic crisis is???? (nm)
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McCains Top 10 economic crisis strategies.
10. Blissful ignorance. "The economy is not my strong suit."
9. Ridicule. In an interview with the Washington Post on 07/9/2008, McCain advisor and national campaign general co-chair Senator Phil Gramm was defining McCain's plans to reform the U.S. economy. Gramm explained the nation was not in a recession, stating, "You've heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession," and "We have sort of become a nation of whiners, you just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline." This would be the same Phil Gramm of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act which allowed commercial and investment banks to consolidate. The legislation allowed Swiss Bank UBS to purchase several American institutions. Gramm later became a lobbyist for UBS, collecting over 750,000 USD in fees. UBS alone issues over 18 Billion USD in subprime mortgages.
8. Denial. Black Monday, 09/15/2008. John McCain: "The fundamentals of our economy are still sound." A worldwide stock market crash occurred as Lehman Brothers filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy and major investment bank Merrill Lynch was sold to Bank of America. Dow Jones Industrial Average lost more than 500 points, which is the biggest point drop (up to that point) since September 2001. FTSE 100 dropped 212 points, and it was the biggest one-day percentage drop since January 21, 2008. Hong Kong, Japan and Korea stock market suspended that day due to public holiday, and they fell over 5% on the following day. Two weeks later, we had a blacker Monday (09/29/2008) with a 777.68 point drop on the Dow Jones Industrial Average.
7. Political grandstanding. Announcement of suspending his campaign to return to DC to "lead" Congress during economic bail-out negotiations. This effort led to a defeat of the measure when the votes were cast. Tried unsuccessfully to use the bailout as an excuse to postpone the presidential debate.
6. Flip-Flop. Claims to support regulation. Record says otherwise.
5. Incoherence. Threatens to fire the chairman of the SEC if he were in office, even though the president does not have the authority to do so.
4. Theft of intellectual property. Claiming previously existing mortgage buy-out proposal as his own.
3. Avoid / change the subject. Greg Strimple, a McCain top advisor: If we keep talking about the economy, we will lose."
2. Engage the politics of division, hate, fear mongering and cultural warfare with high-gear Obama smear campaign: Ayers, ACORN, Farrakhan, Rev Jeremiah Wright, Barack Hussein Obama, etc.
1. McCain’s send message to voters is to stop whining about the economy and start focusing on attacking Obama.
Obama's economic crisis strategy...
Vote for the bailout....and nothing else. Zip, zilch, nada. Oh, except echo Harry Reid, and I quote: "Nobody knows what to do about this." Well, no **** Sherlock. And STILL doesn't know. Not a clue. All he can say is middle class tax cuts and watch the thrills run up peoples' legs. Would be funny if it weren't so.....
This post is about a coherent as JM's economic plan.
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Perhaps you could enlighten us on the economic crisis suffered by
There is nothing in your chart or context that convincingly explains away the $559 billion dollar surplus Clinton left behind when his term came to an end.
Having said that, most Americans will agree that, when compared to the past 8 years, the middle class enjoyed a prosperous decade in the 90s. I was able to pay off my condo, so it has been foreclosure-proof under W.
Barney Frank is to blame for the economic
BUT, Barney Frank is to blame for the corrupt government interference in mortgages and forcing banks to loan to people who by no means had any business trying to buy a home!!
Barney Frank has been in Congress since 1981. He has been the head of the Financial Services Committee and has been in charge of pushing all these government regulations onto banks.....
LETS CALL IT LIKE IT IS!!! He's a corrupt SOB and he needs to be kicked out of there! And now he dares to come across suddenly acting as if he is doing EVERYTHING he can to get the banking business flowing again! BULL! He's got them just where he wants them, indebted to the government. WHat happens next? Government run banks....... socialism......governments lending YOU, the citizen, monies, owning you, your family, and everything else in your life.......you need to do YOUR HOMEWORK!
Yes, a start, but economic studies have shown that these will be....sm
long-term down the road, and we are sinking way too fast. I do agree with the grener approach, I am a "tree hugger" from way back, participated in some of the "no Nuke" protest, and am an active member of Save The Bay, as our state is right on the bay, almost an island, and this has been for the past two decades. I guess I am eager for O to stop catering to politics, even though I know it comes with the job, roll up the sleeves, and really get to the meat and bones of the stimulus package, this country is HUNGRY! Did you catch Lisa Ling's National Geographic docomentary on the new homeless shown on Oprah? That truly made me cry, because a decade ago my family was close to being one of them, I cry for the children, "bleeding heart Democrat" that I am at heart!
you don't follow politics/economic very closely then
First - signs were not hateful. Signs were truthful but the Kool-aid drinkers don't want to admit it. You consider calling us teabaggers, hillbillies, and rednecks as perfectly fine, but the minute someone points out that he is following the same path as socialist leaders you label that as "hate". What's worse is other countries are pointing it out too, not just Americans. Unfortunately it's the truth no matter whether you want to believe it or not. Last night I was watching a special about Hitler and his henchmen, and how a lot of people think he escaped. Well listing to the people talk about what he and his henchman did, I kept thinking...wait a minute...that's going on right now - (no not the genocide thing), but the way they ran their government back then. The reason you might have seen those signs on Fox was because there were no other channels covering it. BSNBC and the Communist News Network didn't cover it. Our local channels didn't cover it either. Between 250,000 to 300,000 people attended and they pretended nothing happened. What's amazing is they'll cover a story of some ducks crossing a road in some town I've never heard of, or some little kiddy motor scooter race in another unknown town, but over 2000 cities host the tea parties where there are peaceful demonstrations because people are unhappy with the government and they are excersing their right to freedom of speech (you remember the same things democrats were fighting and pushing for when Bush was in office). But there comes a double standard when only democrats can do it but republicans and independents are suppose to remain subservient and not say anything and let us be starved and unemployed and lose our homes and have to go live in shelters and we're suppose to be happy and never say anything???
As for inciting hate and racism...that is exactly what BSNBC is doing when they have Keith Olbermann show or Rachel Maddow or Chris Matthews. And then to have people like J Gorofool speak her utter hatred and racism and stupidity is unleashed. Now what she and Olbermann and the other clowns at BSNBC do...that there is inciting hate and racism. Pure and simple, no two ways about it. Why don't you actually watch Fox news before critising it. There is no hate and racism. What is racist about saying... I'm sick of congress and government taxing me to death, sending my job overseas, and I'm now having to foreclose on my house. I'm tired of them taking my money in taxes which I have no control over and they are spending it on themselves and their friends. What is racist about that???
Was the Dems economic fallout. Economy was fine
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McCain's top economic advisor says we are in a "mental depression" sm
and additionally says that we are a nation of "whiners.' McCains top economic advisor is Phil Gramm.
How do you feel about these remarks? Additionally have you or someone you know been experiencing tough times in the last year?
More on Barney Frank...he is SO dirty in this economic mess....
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,432501,00.html
I have been wondering when Bush is going to announce an economic emergency. sm
I have been trying to draw people into discussing the economy. People do not respond. I do not know if it is denial or they do not understand.
Those were economic stimulus checks...a one-time deal.
what Obama is proposing is NOT a one-time deal. It will be part of the tax code. BIG difference.
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