We're talking about a brand new baby born with Down's...there is NO comparison at all...nm
Posted By: come on now on 2008-09-01
In Reply to: Well...Michelle Obama works full time now... - sam
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People don't "turn gay". They're born that way.
It doesn't matter WHERE he was born. He was born to an American citizen so he is sm
a native American.
Obama was born in US, his FATHER was born in Kenya, check it out and sm
Do you really think the campaign would have gotten this far if he was born in Kenya? Did Hannity tell you that? LOL!!!!
I don't know what you're talking about.
But I find it funny that you throw out a bunch of words and suddenly your friend below accepts them as fact.
I'm being investigated? Fine. Investigate away. I have nothing to hide.
If you're talking about....sm
McCain, he has said he doesn't believe in torture, and I have doubts he would use it on anyone else, especially since it was used on him.
Hey, that's me you're talking about....LOL (sm)
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it), religion does have an influence on politics. So when we start talking about abortion, for example, you really can't talk about the issue without talking about religion. For me, the idea of religion being brought up on this board is not the issue. The issue is that people seem to have little tolerance of other religions (or the lack thereof).
...just as long as it's your own personal brand.
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Wrong! This is BRAND NEW NEWS!
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No idea what you're talking about -
...except the person who posted whatever it was on the conservative board, so why don't you take it up with that person ON THE CONSERVATIVE BOARD? You sure give yourself a lot of license coming here to bash everyone else over it, as if that's some kind of excuse.
Looks like the NeoCons are getting bored talking to each other...have to come here to troll instead. Had to happen!
I don't know if you're talking about my post or not.
I think the subject line that All Americans Deserve to Live (or something like that).
I see that my post is gone, and if mine is the post you're referring to, I'm sorry. I can't repost it. It was just something I quickly wrote from my heart, and I didn't keep a copy of it.
I guess I'll have to start saving a copy of everything I write. :-(
Sure sounds like you're talking about yourselves here, you two....nm
It's okay to glom on and bully down the republicans, be it the candidates or posters. But let one do it to you, and you cry foul, like the hypocrites you are.
Every description you use to define the right, sounds a lot like your libby posts. How ironic. Right in front of your nose, and you can't even see yourself.
So sorry for your small, closed mindedness.
I'm guessing you're talking about
the old fart, right? That's all he does. He doesn't care about our country. He only cares about being in power, why...I can't figure out. He'd be the second worst in history, BUSH first. Remember when you voted for BUSH? HaHaHaHa...Oh, not really. Look where we are now.
Don't have a clue what you're talking about so
Quran Surah 4: Women
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 89
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant.
Quran Surah 5: The Table Spread
Christians will be burned in the Fire. 72
Quran Surah 6: The Cattle
Allah chooses to lead some astray, and he lays ignominy on those who disbelieve. 125
Allah will send everyone the Fire, except those he chooses to deliver. 128
Surah 9: Repentance
Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 113
Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 123
As much as Christians are harshly put down on this board, my God does not teach me to fight disbelievers, to not pray for them, to ignore idolators (not even for your family?), which would be the very ones we would want to pray for.
Also, my God does not purposefully lead people astray so he can them burn them in hell.
Basically, Muslims are taught to love other Muslims; otherwise, everyone else are nonbelievers and are not worthy of their love.
you're talking to the wrong sm --
Yes - they're already talking about the possibility
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You have no idea what you're talking about...(nm)
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Don't you realize who you're talking to?
These type of people have no loyalty to this country. They just don't get "free people". They have never gotten what it means to be in a country where they have freedoms other countries don't have and they never will.
They are so wrapped up in their own lives, they will never get the big picture. Just like with this president. They will sing his praises for the next 4 years even if he took every freedom they have away because they won't admit he is taking this country down the wrong path..... that's because country doesn't mean anything to them; the "party" is all they see and for some, the fact we have a black man for president is all they care about. Either way, it's very sad for us all.
I didn't like a lot of things Bush didn't do while in office... closing our borders for starters, so more moochers won't crawl, the crime rate wouldn't skyrocket, and our prisons wouldn't be full of still more freeloading moochers I have to pay for for years to come. The fact that he didn't pardon the border patrol agents sickens me. There is no excuse for that.
So, for those who are stuck on "party" lines instead of what is best for their country, they will pull this country down. The fact that poster thinks it's a good thing to keep "free speech" silenced is frightening. Those people are what's wrong with this country!
You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
You obviously don't know a thing about Britain in the 1930s, when Hitler was coming into power. Britain banned Winston Churchill and wouldn't let him speak in the house of parliamant, because he was speaking the truth about what Germany was doing to the Jewish people, and they didn't want to hear it! Well, we all know what happened there!
This whole thing started with Jacqui Smith..... because of ALL the violence in Muslim neighborhoods and all the Muslim leaders in Great Britain inciting hate and violence, she was to compile lists of Muslims who incite violence around the world with a call to jihad and make sure no more of these types of people can get into Great Britain. Well, they were on the right track there until of course politics got in there and someone convinced her they didn't want to seem to have a problem with Muslims, so they thought it best to throw in a couple of white guys so it wouldn't look so "profilish".
Speaking of hate-mongers, they have lots of muslims standing in their streets threatening violence to Britain and the United States, standing right in the streets of Great Britain big as you please incisting violence. Now that Britain has realized what a mistake it is to have them in their country and just what evil people they are, they are seeking to get them out and at the very least, keep anymore from getting in their country.
Too bad they didn't go after Rev. WRight....now there's a violent man inciting hate and violence if ever I saw one!!!
Kim Jong II isn't on that list. Chavez the sicko isn't on that list.
There are British people in the streets calling for the overthrow of their own government and for good reason! Their government has turned into just what this country is turning into. Butt kissing sissies!!!
Remember Abu Izzadeen? The race hate preacher? I doubt you have a clue who I'm talking about, cause you know nothing about anything, just diarrhea of the mouth. Izzadden PRAISED the July 7 London suicide bombings in the streets, and has been freed after spending barely serving 12 months of a 4-1/2 year sentence!! I believe his words were, "The Americans and British only understand one lanuage, the language of blood". He has called for ALL UK Muslims to kill British troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. But I suppose YOU no doubt find him more appealing than Savage. Now THERE'S a hate monger...no... there's an evil human being. He now walks the streets of London again, spewing his inciteful hate and in full view trying to encourage all Muslims in London to KILL Britains and Americans.
Yep, you got it all figured out. Britiain is scared to death; their own police won't even go into Muslims neighborhoods because the violence is just THAT bad!!!
They're a bunch of sissy wimps who have now found themselves stuck with very evil people by the thousands in their own backyards and now they are regretting it!!!
Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
You sound like a blithering boob just parroting what the Huffington Post told you.
It's quite obvious you didn't check your facts, or do a moment's worth of research.
natural born does not mean you have to be born physically in the US -
My daughter was born in Germany, but because I am an American she is an American. She has no problems and is considered natural born - that just means you did not have to go through the hoops to become an American citizen.
I thought "Boilerplate" was the brand of hairspray she
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........
You're missing the point. She's not talking about
people like your stepdaughter. She's talking about all the free loaders who won't get off their lazy butts and get a job even when they are more than capable of doing so.
When I was little my mom struggled to feed the two of us because my dad was a deadbeat. She went to the welfare office asking for just a little help to feed us. They told her that she made too much money but if she quit her job, they would pay for everything: housing, food, everything. She could have easily taken the easy route and taken them up on their offer but had too much integrity. Here she was making too much money in their eyes but many weeks only had $5 after bills to feed herself and her only child. Now that is a messed up government. I'm all for helping people help themselves. Pay for day care while they get an education, pay for food while they work to better themselves but NOT pay for them to drive fancy cars, have satellite that they watch on big screen TVs, and eat potato chips and ice cream. Get real, open your eyes, and quit making excuses for the lazy! We're not talking about the needy. Yes, there are people are mentally or physically unable to work. That is NOT who we are talking about!
Unfortunately, you're talking to ignorant people!
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We're talking history here, not theology....nm
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So what, you're 80, 90 years old and know this? Previous poster talking about...sm
Joseph Kennedy back in the 1940s and 1950s, some 60-70 years ago, and what he did and didn't do? It's all in the history books.
Maybe Teddy is like that today and pays for nothing (doubt that, but hey, you say live there, whatever), really don't care for him much at all, what with Chappaquiddick (sp?) and all, and how daddy Kennedy got young Teddy off on murder charges on that poor girl, Mary Jane Kopechne. Daddy Kennedy called in favors for that one, too, doncha know.
It's well known how much daddy Kennedy did for JFK way back then, to get him elected. It's called history.
as a mother I would not subject my baby, or anyone's baby
to that type of situation. but then again, I am not the kind of mother who agrees with the village raising the child, or whatever Hillary used to say. to me the child's safety would come first above and beyond what I was doing, and I would not expose the baby to all that. that is just me.
mostly I am talking about at the end of her speech when the baby was being passed around and then she eventually grabbed him, half paying attention to him.
it is my opinion but I found it a little troubling and my heart kind of went out to that little baby.
Nope, never said I wasn't black, but I remember the argument you're talking about...sm
Nan, Military Brat and Bush supporter took me to task over whether or not I was black when I said *and who said I was black anyway* I'm trying to find this in archives.
But, what I can't stand is people having a preformed opinion about how I am going to think or should think since I'm black, that's why I don't post my race. Once I posted that I was African American that's when they started the *I thought you said you weren't black.* Which I have never denied my race. Sorry, but not true.
Yes, by comparison...sm
There is a whole world of news media beyond Fox, CNN, MSNBC and network news outlets (listed in descending order of conservative tendencies, but conservative just the same). These are not what you would consider liberal wacko sources, which also offer interesting perspectives and legitimate information (it’s called the other side of the issues). Even other conservative newspaper, journal and broadcast news media sources beyond the narrow scope of America’s corporate “prime” conglomerate sources would be way too liberal for some, but they do give much more of a balanced, less spun picture. The highly regarded BBC comes to mind, just to mention one of thousands, though they have a decidedly western bias and can be counted among the sources that fail to report many issues. Fair and balanced sources abound. They just cannot be easily found on US TV stations. Why that is the case is another whole story.
No comparison..........
Ann Coulter is a tranny - at least Dowd is funny!
No comparison
What in tarhooties have you been smokin'...no comparison?? The Iran Contra mess was horrible, and to this day it galls me to see people like John McCain and Oliver North (who should have been court-martialed and imprisoned)  strutting around acting as if their stuff does not stink.
no comparison
Stealing a toy in first grade in no way compares with terrorist acts for which you show no remorse.
There is a comparison
With McCain we aren't talking about any old skin cancer, we're talking melanoma, recurrent at that. A smoking history with the possibility of cancer really doesn't compare to that.
That combined with his age and complications thereof do present a very real possibility of Sarah Palin being president in the near future. With that in mind, yes, I am concerned about Palin's medical records. Really, with her it's more of a credibility issue. I'm not saying that last baby isn't hers, but considering the rather odd circumstances surrounding the birth of that child, it does raise a lot of questions that she obviously is not willing to answer.
comparison...(sm)
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles3/Jayne_Hitler-Bush.htm
Bush vs. Hitler: I see a buch of Bush's ACTIONS that coincide with Hitler's.
http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/barack-the-black-hitler/
Obama vs. Hitler: I see a bunch of guesses about what Obama will do compared to what Hitler has done.
Quote from article: *Obama and Hitler both have displayed a penchant for eliminating “undesirable” infants.* -- Now that's a stretch.
http://theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/21PbAr/Pl/Clnt%20Htlr.htm
Clinton vs. Hitler: This one is just way out on a limb
Again, it wasn't a comparison.
But I know how you like to jump to conclusions, so you can win this one in your mind.
Stark Comparison
;Experience Tale of the Tape: Palin vs Obama
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Sarah
Palin |
Barack
Obama |
Office being
sought |
Vice
President |
President of
the United States and Leader of the Free World |
Full
name |
Sarah Louise
Heath Palin |
Barack Hussein
Obama II |
Nickname |
Sarah
Barracuda |
Barry Obama;
"The One" |
Public
opinion |
Smoking hot in a "naughty librarian" sort of
way |
May be The
Messiah |
Age |
44 |
48 |
Children |
5: two sons,
three daughters |
2: two
daughters |
Religion/Church attendance |
Evangelical
Christian;
attends Juneau Christian Center when in
Juneau and grew up attending Wasilla Assembly of God |
Attended
Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years, a "black liberation theology"
church formerly led by Rev. Jeremiah Wright and governed according to
Black Value System |
Current
Job |
Governor of
Alaska |
Junior Senator
from Illinois |
Previous
Public Jobs |
Mayor of
Wasilla, AK (1996-2006); President of Alaska Conference of Mayors;
City Council member
(1992-1996) |
State Senator
(1997-2004);
Community Organizer
|
Executive
Experience |
Governor for 2
years;
Mayor for 10 years |
None |
Foreign
Relations experience |
Governor of
state that borders two foreign countries (Canada and Russia) |
Chaired Senate
subcommittee on Europe but never called it into session;
once gave a speech to 200,000 screaming
Germans |
Military
Affairs experience |
Commander in
Chief of Alaska National Guard;
Son is enlisted Infantryman in U.S.
Army |
None |
Private
Sector Experience |
Sports
reporter;
Salmon fisherman |
Associate at
civil rights law firm |
Speaking
ability |
Beautifully
executed initial stump speech in Dayton, OH hockey arena without a teleprompter
|
An
enter...wait--did you say without a
teleprompter?? |
Spouse's
name |
Todd Mitchell
Palin |
Michelle
LaVaughn Robinson Obama |
Spouse's
occupation |
Salmon
fisherman;
Former North Slope production supervisor
for BP Oil |
Vice President
for Community and External Affairs at University of Chicago Hospitals;
former Associate Dean of Student Services
at the University of Chicago;
former Executive Director for the Chicago
office of Public Allies;
former Assistant to the Mayor of
Chicago;
former associate at Sidley Austin law
firm
|
Reaction to
spouse's political success |
Quit 17-year BP
oil job when BP became involved in natural gas pipeline negotiations with wife's
administration |
Promoted and
given 160% pay raise by UofC hospitals within months of husband's election to
U.S. Senate;
Employer rece ived $1,000,000.00 federal
earmark, requested by husband, after her promotion |
Coolest
thing about Spouse |
Tesoro Iron Dog
Snowmobile race champion (longest snowmobile race in the world);
In 2008, while defending his championship,
was injured when he was thrown 70 feet from his machine. He was sent to the
hospital but still finished in fourth place |
Sister of
Oregon State University head basketball coach Craig Robinson |
Most
Courageous Moment in Public Service |
Resigned in
protest from position of Ethics Commissioner of Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation
Commission in order to expose legal violations and conflicts of interest of
Alaska Republican leaders, including the former state Attorney General and the
State GOP Chairman (who was also an Oil & Gas Commissioner), who was doing
work for the party on public time and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive
e-mail. |
Gave an
anti-Iraq war speech to a crowd of anti-Iraq war demonstrators in Hyde Park in
2002 |
In Current
Office Because... |
Upset sitting
Governor in GOP primary due to public support for her efforts to clean up
corrupt government establishment |
Republican opponent, who was leading in the polls, was forced to leave race
after unsealing of divorce records exposed a sex scandal |
Theme: |
Change and
Clean Government |
Hope and
Change;
"Bringing Change from Outside
Washington" |
What they've
done to live that theme: |
Replaced entire
Board of Agriculture and Conservation because of conflict of interest;
Resigned from position of Ethics
Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in order to
expose corruption among members of own party |
Selected
36-year incumbent Senator as running mate |
Family
Affairs |
May have
removed State Public Safety Commissioner as part of effort to protect sister in
messy divorce and child custody battle |
Often says, "I
am my brother's keeper";
Brother lives in a hut in Nairobi on $12
per year |
Union
affiliation |
Union member,
married to Union member
|
Endorsed by a
union |
Iraq and
Troop Support |
Formerly
(pre-surge) critical of apparent lack of long-term strategy for Iraq;
Visited wounded U.S. soldiers in
Germany;
visited AK National Guard soldiers
deployed to Kuwait;
Son deploying to Iraq on 9/11/08 as Army
infantryman
|
Gave an
anti-Iraq war speech to a crowd of anti-Iraq war demonstrators;
almost visited wounded troops in Germany,
but decided to go shopping in Berlin instead |
Bipartisan/"maverick" credentials |
Married to a
non-Republican;
Exposed corruption within own
party;
Campaigned for Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell
against corrupt GOP congressman Don Young;
Called out Sen Ted Stevens (R-AK) to "come
clean" about financial dealings that are under fed investigation
|
Talks about
bipartisanship |
Legislative
Record |
Passed a
landmark ethics reform bill;
Used veto to cut budgetary
spending;
Prevented "bridge to nowhere" that would
have cost taxpayers $400 million dollars.
|
Voted "present"
over 100 times as IL state senator |
How they
dealt with corrupt individuals in home city/state |
Exposed legal
violations and conflicts of interest of Alaska Republican leaders;
Campaigned against corrupt GOP
Representative;
Ran against and defeated corrupt incumbent
governor in GOP primary
|
Launched
political career in home of unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers (and still
refers to him as a part of "mainstream Democratic Chicago";
Purchased home with help of convicted
felon Tony Rezko |
Guns |
Lifetime member
of NRA and avid hunter;
video can be found on YouTube of Palin
firing an M4 at a military firing range |
Worked to pass
legislation in Illinois that would prevent all law-abiding citizens from owning
firearms |
Earmarks |
Opposed "Bridge to Nowhere" project;
Said Alaska should avoid relying on
federal money for projects;
Campaigned against porker Don Young (R-AK)
in 2008 primary
|
Secured federal
earmarks for wife's employer and for href='http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/12/did-obama-amplify-pork-for-bundlers/"'
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Abortion |
Pro
life;
gave birth to 5th child knowing that it
would have Down's syndrome |
Pro-choice;
only IL state sen. to speak against the
Born Alive Infant's Protection Act, which required medical care to be given to
live infants who survived abortions |
Energy |
Believes energy
independence is a matter of national security;
For drilling in ANWR, which is in her
state |
Says Americans
should "get tune-ups" and "check tire pressure";
Says "we can't expect the world to be okay
with" our use of heating and air conditioning |
Environment |
Chair of Alaska
Conservation Commission (2003-4);
Announced plans to create sub-cabinet
group of advisors to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions
in AK |
Talks about the
environment a lot |
Athletic
prowess |
Runs
marathons |
|
are you actually making this comparison
Obama to JFK? No way. 'nuff said.
There is NO comparison to this and Obama
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A comparison has been drawn.... sm
between the way Obama stood on issues versus the way Hitler stood on issues and what the outcome was of Hitler's regime in Germany. What is wrong in drawing conclusions based on what history has borne out?
I am not saying that Bush and Palin are without spot. They are politicians, first and foremost, just as Obama is. If they are fodder for the liberal press to shred, then why is Obama exempt from criticism?
And 4% of the popular vote is not exactly what I would call an overwelming majority, especially in light of the discussion Marmann and I had below on this board about how informed the voters were in this election.
Your comparison, not mine.
Can't blame him at all for trying to grab a couple of gasps of fresh air after being immersed in the cesspool with the tax cuts for the rich or else monolith.
That was not a good comparison
That was the best you could do and you are claiming someone else has a lack of understanding and education. When you use bad taste, you lose credibility. I think this thread has lost its credibility at this point.
Can't help making the comparison
I'm not saying he's Abe Lincoln or Socrates either. I'm just saying I can finally stand to listen to presidental speeches again without cringing. And I think you're desperately seeking something to gripe about, if you need to gripe about this guy's speaking ability and didn't find any problems with the prior guy's speeches.
No it isn't!!! That is absolutely NOT a comparison! Get real! nm
LOVED the tick comparison!
sucking every last drop of blood out of us little guys who are little more to them than just cogs in the wheel.
They are minimal in comparison to what faces us...
as I have said, I wish EITHER of the candidates had done this SOONER. Frankly, I tired of hearing what they would do. I want them to actually DO something. Prove to me you can handle the situation NOW. Don't get up and for the love of pete just TALK about it. At least one of them finally decided that the financial well being of this country was more important than campaigning. If Obama had been the first, I would be saying HE did the right thing and I would NOT be saying he was ducking a debate. I think we know they can both debate, we heard them during their primaries. What I want to see them do is help FIX THIS financial fiasco and make sure it gets done properly. I think that is the most important thing here, and I don't understand why you minimize THAT.
No comparison. Ann Coulter is not the president.
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This is from the beginning an idiotic comparison
how to behave toward a husband who is going to kill his wife.
Who, for heaven's sake, comes up with such weird comparisons, when we are talking about prisoners in Gitmo?
Can you people not stay on one issue without losing the focus?
Pales in comparison to the hurtful posts
Why do you think you were under such attack yesterday?
What a stupid comparison. Anyone with minimal intelligence...sm
could not say they think SP would make a competent president. Get a grip!
I saw the same thing with Obama, comparison to Hitler
So playing that ole race card again does no good.
How Palin pales in comparison to Teddy Roosevelt.
Let's start by describing Roosevelt's accomplishments by age 42:
1. Graduated Phi Beta Kappa from Harvard in 1880, 22nd out of 177, after which he enrolled in Columbia Law School. He was reputed to have a photographic memory.
2. New York Assemblyman 1881, where he served for 3 years, distinguishing himself as an ardent reformer. Wrote more bills than any other state legislator.
3. At age 23, published his first book, The Naval War of 1812, establishing him as a respected author. He would go on to pen 35 books, 4 of which were written before age 42, including an exhaustive 4-volume historical account of westward expansion.
4. Appointed by President Harrison to Civil Service Commission (age 31), later to become its president, 1889-1895.
5. Director of NY Police Department, 1894-1897.
6. Assistant Secretary of the Navy under President McKinnley, 1897 in preparation for the Cuban War.
7. Went to Cuba as lieutenant colonel of a volunteer cavalry where he became famous as the leader of the Rough Riders, returning as a Spanish-American War hero.
8. Governor of State of New York, 1898, which was not avast wilderness, even at the tturn of the century.
9. Vice President, 1900.
10. Succeeded to presidency after McKinley assassination.
More striking differences become apparent when examining what KIND of republican reformer he was:
1. He was a PROGRESSIVE reformer in regard to workers' rights and ordinary citizen in general.
2. He distrusted wealthy businessmen and dissolved 44 corporate monopolies....can you say trust busting regulation? Was never accused of being a SOCIALIST. We could use a healthy dose of a modern version of that traditional American approach in the 21st century.
3. Square Deal advocated FAIR negotiations between workers and business/industry and REGULATION of interstate commerce.
4. First US President to call for UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE and NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE. Nope, he was not a communist either.
5. Promoted conservation movement and not once tried to block endangered species designation.
6. Sought judicial reform with regard to their bias against labor unions (gasp).
7. Fractured republican party via Bull Moose party to the point that democrat Woodrow Wilson won the presidency in 1912.
8. Nobel Peace Prize recipient 1906.
When attempting to compare Palin to a great American leader, you might want to choose someone a tad less like Obama next time.
I can't beat comparison but I like the fact she knows, it amazes me you call some of these people
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