Very sincere here, I know the country is in deep trouble with the ......sm
Posted By: Cyndiee on 2009-02-06
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constantly-growing unemployment lines, the banking crisis, stock market debacle, fall-out of our gross national product, growing mortgage crises, etc., but as much as I support our President and feels that he has the initiative, the drive, the intelligence, altruism, the humanitarianism, etc., to get this country turned around (and boy do we need a total 180 degree here), I really feel it is being pushed way too aggressively and hastily,.....haste makes more waste, and boy we do not need more of THAT. I see many good ideas in the O plan, and we certainly need a change in the banking laws, corporate tax structure, etc., but I have been reading as much as I can, and I have to agree with the moderate Republicans (is the sky falling yet?), there is a lot of JUNK in the Obama Solution that is really just contributing more to our national debt, and will not do anything substantial for the common folk, which is supposedly what this whole Bill is about. There is suffering and people are desperate, but if we pass the wrong plan, we will be living with even more misery and debt that our great-grandchildren will not even be able to pay off. Good solid social programs, yes, educational programs, yes, work programs, yes, help with our medical system, yes, but man, there are so many pet projects in their it looks like a lobbyist's dream. Slow down a bit, think a lot more, and perhaps we can really trim that "baby" into a truly successful plan!! Okay, off the  , call me SCARED and confused, yes democrats have open minds and limits to spending!
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This country is in such trouble.
I will not vote for someone who wants to create more government assisted programs. We are in deep crap now because of government spending. That will only make our economy worse. All of our money will be put into government programs, the spending will go up instead of down, and all the money we dish out in taxes to pay for all of this crap will most definitely not go towards our deficit. It will only get bigger than it is now and it is HUGE right now. There is no way that Obama can only go after rich people and tax them more. It still wouldn't be enough to pay for all these "plans" he has. God help us!
NOBAMA!!!
It is my sincere wish that
under Bush will be gone forever, never to return. Me and about 65,431,955 fellow citizens.
With all due respect, and I am sincere in that....
how can you learn new things if you only talk to people who agree with everything you say? I come here to the liberal board for that very reason...if I wanted someone to rubber stamp my ideas I would be talking to people I knew would do that. That is not how you learn. Debate forces you to go to different sources, listen to differing views, and help you make informed decisions. I am not a rote party person. That is why I am not a registered Republican. I registered Independent only because you have to register as one of the three to be able to vote. I have voted for Democrats before (though I admit, not often). I admire Joe Lieberman tremendously and I hate that the Dem party is so far left they forced him to run as an Independent this time. I thought that was very short-sighted on their part. Because there are Democrats out there in small-town America who have not taken the same hard left turn that the Dem base seems to have taken. If I were a Georgian, I would have voted for Zell Miller in a heartbeat. Not because of his political affiliation, but because of his views, and because of he had the guts to stand up for those views when the hard left sought to highjack his party. My parents were lifelong Democrats. Sadly they are not longer with us, but I am telling you my friend, they would NOT recognize the Democratic party of today. They would be horrified at the hard left turn it has taken. Much of the Republican party has abandoned their core platform as well. Most of those running are not true conservatives. What I want is less government interference in the lives of individuals, more power at the state level where it belongs according to the constitution, the Supreme Court to keep their noses out of state's business and not legislate from the bench...encourage individual responsibility again instead of everyone looking to the government to supply every social need. The more we move toward that, the more we move toward socialism...and that is the agenda of the hard left in this country today. And friend, it does not work. Look at Venezuela. Look at Cuba. Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy...both started as socialism and ended in dictatorship. That is where socialism inevitably goes...when you take power away from individual states and give to the federal government, and make the entire populace depend upon the government to supply everything. Believe me...that is NOT where any of us should want to go.
Thanks for listening.
they were as sincere as most politicians are ever - not
I have a very jaded view of our political system .. sorry
everything is calculated
everything is conniving
every move is planned and orchestrated by the "back room"
I've seen it ..
The Clintons did what they had to do to stay in the "power" positions in the Democratic party ... simple as that..
sorry ... JMHO
I do believe she is sincere in caring about...
the people she is sworn to represent...and she has done a great job in Alaska. With her at least we have a CHANCE of not being sold down the river...the other ticket has a history of doing just that, in their ever increasing quest to shuffle gimmes to the so-called lower class to keep them their voting base. This whole mess was the Democrats, through fannie/freddie, pressuring banks to give those high risk subprime loans to people who could not afford them, people who had little credit or no credit...and where did that leave us in the middle class who had to qualify for loans the old-fashioned way and actually paid our mortgages while they let theirs default and here we are. With all that out there, you want to make fun of the VP candidate on the other ticket? Is that supposed to illustrate how astute you are? It is a valid question.
I heard that earlier. I believe he is sincere...
it is a historic thing that will happen and I think acknowledging it is the right thing to do. Good for McCain.
Sincere apologies, wrong board. NM
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Yes, sincere apologies, wrong board. So what? NM
Can we stop the bickering for a few moments and say a sincere prayer...
for those on our gulf coast, and for all the emergency workers down there to help? They are more important than anything we are saying here right now!
We are in deep doo doo!
This country is crying out for help. Government spending is WAY out of control. This is one major reason that I am not voting for Obama. In his charismatic talk of change, he is wanting to spend more money on these so called programs to help the poor and the middle class. Raising taxes will not bail our country out of the situation we have found ourselves in. All I hear about nowadays is how Bush has dragged this country down and now all republicans are bad. Congress is controlled by democrats. They are just as guilty in all this government spending crap. All politicians are to blame for this. Stop the outrageous spending!!!!! Stop padding your pockets full of money while the rest of the country struggles to live! All politicians care about is getting in office and making money for themselves. Do they really stop to think about our country and the long-term effects?
I don't know that McCain has all the answers to help pull us out, but at least I have more faith in him. At least he isn't wanting to create government programs that will up the spending and will ultimately fail to achieve anything. Universal healthcare is not the answer. Doesn't work for other countries....why would it work for this one? Everyone keeps saying how Obama will cut taxes....all of these government programs will not cut taxes. They will increase them.....simple as that.
The true evil here is government spending. STOP THE GOVERNMENT SPENDING!!!! They can tax us until we have absolutely no money left whatsoever and the government would just spend it all and that is the problem.
Now there you go, off the deep end
as a person for a change, not a Republican, not a Democrat, just another person trying to make this a better place to live, trying to follow her heart.
Off the deep end a bit, are we?
we should not hand over the keys to the kingdom over to those who would turn us all into Disneyland denizens.
You need to take several deep breaths
you have let your perceptions get the best of you. I was not aware, until this thread that Carla had lost someone in Iraq this year. Some of us have not been here as long as others and don't read the hundreds of threads to pick these little nuances up. I'm sorry you have such a huge chip on your shoulder, and if I offended Carla and you I'm sorry, but it still does not change my opinion on the larger issues at hand.
You really have blown some issues out of proportion, most definitely this one.
Someone here fell off the deep end
But that's OK, the moderator knows individual people are making these posts. And one always has the option of emailing a poster privately and getting a response if they were truly concerned about someone's identity. I suppose its easier on the ego to think one person is making these observations, instead of realizing several people are agreeing, lending more validity to the point. I've had muliple posters disagree with me before, and never once jumped to the conclusion they were all the same person. It caused me instead to ponder perhaps I was in the wrong...but I guess we all handle these things diferently, huh?
No. I love the country side in Alabama...I'm a country girl...nm
Going off the deep end, gt, getting even more bizarre as time goes by. nm
The deep south was on target ;-) nm
Fact remains...your guy is in just as deep...
and dirty, and McCain at least tried to head it off, while your guy became their #2 recipient. Now THAT is an INCONVIENIENT truth. lol.
You know better deep inside, which is why you're
xx
It's not hate, is deep concern
I don't hate Obama. I think he's a fine person. Great with giving speeches and beautiful family. Personally I will enjoy hearing his voice give a speech over McCains voice and was really getting sick of hearing "my friends" in every other sentance of a speech McCain gave. So it's not that I or others hate Obama. Unlike the hate we have seen from the other side.
What it is is very deep concerns that everything we have worked for and everything we aspire for and live for and save for and teach our kids is going to change for the worse. I do not think Obama is qualified to be president. I don't and that is my opinion. Evidently other people do feel otherwise and therefore he became president (which I still have doubts that a president is really elected by the people - I think he was already picked a long time ago). But my gut feeling is the same exact feeling I had for Clinton. He promised us so much while he was campaigning and once he got in he screwed the country royally. This is the same feeling.
I hope I am wrong and honestly if I am wrong and if he does do good things I WILL be on this board and admit that I am wrong. But at the same time when I hear and read that he is doing somthing wrong, not fullfilling (sp?) his campaign promises I will also be on this board posting too.
I will admit that I am not always right, but when I feel strongly and when I feel I am right I speak my mind.
My main concern is his redistribution of weath. I'll tell you if my taxes go up so that people like that girl (forget her name) who said it was a historic moment and never in her whole life did she ever think she would not have to work to pay her mortgate and would not have to work to buy gas - if my taxes go up so that way she can pay her rent and gas and bills because I had to put in an extra 10 hours of work to pay the extra taxes for HER!!!!! You can bet your you know what I'm going to be on this board screaming and shouting.
But DH and I were talking and we said maybe it is someone like Obama who will finally be able to do something right and fight for Americans. One never knows. So if he does I will come on and admit I was wrong.
This is off the deep end and it serves no useful purpose
If that is what you want to believe, so be it. I agree with absolutely nothing you have said and I also feel confident that I understand exactly what he meant and who he is.
How about something original...your wonder boy is in deep crap...
and he knows it...just 2 weeks in and already can't remember what he promised. The coming 4 years are going to be great to watch; the Messiah implodes, millions who have been hoodwinked will have their eyes opened and they will STILL blame Bush.
You know you'll drown in the deep end
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Another deep political thinker
Obviously, one of those mindless lemmings the Democrats count on so very much, who will follow the Big BO right over the edge of the cliff, chirping merrily away all the way down to the bottom.
Lurker, Raven, you really went off the deep end this time. sm
This is from Dean's World, which is a liberal website, by the way. Even this liberal doesn't agree with you. Your Bush Derangement Syndrome has taken an even darker and deeper turn. You might want to spend more time watching the animals and contemplating where all this hatred comes from.
November 29, 2003
Obnoxious
One of the more shallow memes of the current war goes like this:
Isn't it shameful that President Bush hasn't attended the funerals of very many of the service men who have fallen in this war?
Anyone who thinks very hard about this knows this is an incredibly shallow criticism. Otherwise, the great Generals and Presidents of history, such as Roosevelt, Eisenhower, MacAurther, Patton, Lincoln, and Grant would have never done anything with their time except attend funerals.
Still, if you need to know what history shows, then ask a veteran. As Gulf War veteran John Cole notes, no President has ever regularly attended military funerals.
That's right. Franklin Roosevelt didn't. Harry Truman didn't. Dwight Eisenhower didn't. John F. Kennedy didn't. Lyndon Johnson didn't. Richard Nixon didn't. Ford and Carter didn't. Reagan attended more than most Presidents ever did, but still usually didn't. Bush the Elder usually didn't. Clinton did a couple of times, but mostly didn't.
What if we go all the way back to Presidents like Abraham Lincoln, or George Washington? Turns out that they didn't either.
Why? Because if they did, they would do almost nothing else.
The President of the United States is the leader of hundreds of millions of people. Part of his job is to command hundreds of thousands of people in the military. The next time you vote for a President, I hope you think very hard about that, because that's one of the most important things any President ever does.
But one thing he generally doesn't do is attend the funeral of every fallen service man. Mind you, a good one wishes he could attend every such funeral. A good one feels it like a knife in his gut every time a soldier falls. But he can't be there every time a soldier falls. He just can't.
If you don't understand that, then, to be blunt, you lack maturity
Yep, the above-mentioned was just put on MSNBC. Hardly digging deep for
exist, as you said, and I was hoping to alert someone to that with my post. Thanks for the support.
It's called your brain. It's somewhere in that deep skull (nm)
x
And you are so deep in denial a forklift couldn't....
drag you out. Repeat after me: ohhhhbaaaamaaaa.
Gag me is right!!
and I live in the deep south so do not know any autoworkers - nm
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Not deep, issue-based political discourse, is it?
It can be entertaining if you don't take it seriously though.
Unclench butt cheeks, take a deep breath, and
nm
Your deep-seated denial is purely pathlogic and
is very telling about how hard you work to keep yourself insulated from the truth. There is no reason for Palestinians to exaggerate the atrocious fatality figures. Besides that, a survey of multiple new sources both inside and outside the US reveal these figures are amazingly consistent. They are compiled by hospital and (nonpartisan) humanitarian workers and the Red Crescent (the Middle East's equivalent to the Red Cross) which services the entire region, including Israel. The figures are notoriously CONSERVATIVE estimates, reflecting reported deaths and nearly always are later replaced with high numbers once the dust settles on the carnage.
"Their word against ours?" How childish can you get? This statement strongly implies a person who is interested in covering up the truth rather than getting to it. Why would you do that? Who is "ours?" WE are eyewitness to nothing, except a sanitized version of US mainstream media war reporting.
Actually see the bodies? Ever since Viet Nam, we have not had access to those images because the government learned that if you show the carnage, it turns the tide of public opinion against the war.
Be careful what you ask for. I can hook you up with some links.
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2008/12/29/updated-gaza-massacre-photo-gallery/
http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/12/27/haitham-sabbah-photos-of-the-day/
http://www.ccun.org/Opinion%20Editorials/2009/January/2%20o/Gaza%20Massacre%20in%20Pictures,%20January%202,%202009.htm
About that hiding behind women and children crack/statement which you are parroting from the lying media mouthpieces. Gaza is the 6th most densely populated area in the world. There are 10,792 people per square mile in Gaza. Gaza is an occupied territory which has been blockaded for the past 18 months by Israel. There is no escape. There is no way out. And there is no possible way that Hamas (who live in Gaza and are citizens themselves) can NOT be among the civilian population. Weapons in mosques? Maybe. Maybe not. Where's the proof? This is the claim of the occupier. Sorry, I need convincing.
You're right. Bad guys don't always wear uniforms. Some of them wear suits and hide behind big impressive titles like prime minister, president, chairman and the like.
I fear this is just the proverbial tip of that immensely deep iceberg.
Is there no end to the felonius character of that man we used to call President of the United States? Talk about Big Brother!!! And to think those commenting on you earlier posting were paranoid about "Government" being involved in everything! Kind of ironic!
And we'd big in trouble if he did nothing.
That's where we are as a nation, between a rock and hard place. Suck it up!
Why do you think we'd be in big trouble
if he did nothing?
On the mortgage debacle, I say let the one's who took bit off more than they could chew, fail. They put themselves in this position.
Those that have been paying their mortgages all along and are now trying to keep their homes should be helped since the prices fell so far so fast.
Bigger is not alwasy better and some people need to learn that the hard way. Home prices went too high to fast. The bubble was bound to burst. Those that bought into those inflated prices that they couldn't afford should not have done it. Look at the couple in FL. They waited and saved to buy their dream home. They wound up buying a home that was foreclosed on for only $80K. The house had sold to someone for $235,000.
Why do people need bathrooms as large as a bedroom anyway? Whose idea was that? How long do you spend in a bathroom every day anyway? A tub as big as a swimming pool? a fire place? Terrazine(sp) tile? Subway tile? Granite counters? The cost is outrageous. We went to buy a separate shower for our extra bathroom 5 years ago. It cost $150. We went back a year later and it was up to $450. Needless to say, we still don't have a shower for our extra bathroom.
My list of people who started this housing crap are the developers, the companies who make the products that go into the homes, the real estate agents who put the price tag on the home after the developer gave their price, and the mortgage lenders/banks who pushed the bad loans.
Now I do believe she is in trouble.
She has now accused the CIA of lying to her. No one else, just her. Seriously?
Here's what I think will happen:
1. The investigation will continue and she will be proven a liar - the CIA will help out with this one, I'm sure, with documentation confirming that she knew early on everything that happened.
OR
2. The democrats will ask her to step aside, seeing her for the liability that she is, in order to put the whole nasty mess behind them and do what Obama has suggested and look forward.
Either way, if I had money, I'd bet that her political career is pretty much over. I must say, too, that it couldn't happen to a more deserving person.
I know his campaign is in big trouble.
Seems to me he thought he found something and before confirming it, he started appearing on talk shows. At the most, he knowingly lied and wanted to tell his base what they wanted to hear.
At the least, he's reckless and sloppy in his approach to things.
I suppose the true test of his character will be if he comes clean and admits he was wrong.
Other than that, I find it increasingly difficult on a daily basis to understand why some of these politicians do what they do, both Republican and Democrat alike.
i had trouble staying with what JM was saying -
it was rambling & almost incoherent.
Media causes trouble
I think half the time it is the broadcasting of such statements that prompt people to react in such a way. It's almost like they feel it is expected, so they then act out.
Plus the whole group mentality is freaky. Look at what people do sometimes after big sports events (like college games) ... even the winners. Like a pack of dogs!
I think they have been in trouble for some time (sm)
but I think the credit freeze just topped it off. I think there should be a loan (not a bailout), but with oversight and possibly even a controlling interest for the government. Of course, there is no guarantee that they will change or that the government will do any better, but I don't think them filing bankrupcy is the answer. Too many jobs are at stake. One interesting thing though is that everyone was in a hurry to bail out the financial institutions to the tune of 700B, and yet the big 3 are under an emormous amount of scrutiny. Michael Moore said the other night that there seems to be a difference between how you're treated depending on whether you take a shower before you go to work or if you shower after you get home from work. So true.
Sigh. Trouble is, if they get what they ask for....
we all get it. Like I said...at least I can take comfort in the fact that I will have had nothing to do with the demise of freedom in this country as we know it. This whole thing with Joe really brought that home in a BIG way. Civil rights down the tubes.
That is their fault. They have been in trouble for
nm
We are in bigger trouble than we know
It may just be way too late for Obama to get us out of the horrible mess we are in. We are fiddling while Rome burns - I sound like Chicken Little but indeed the sky IS falling - Frightening!
...."If we can use the Baltic Dry Index (BDI) as a guide for the next 12 months of product delivery and food availability in the stores we shop in then the BDI says shelves will be virtually empty of almost every product we use each and every day. Is the BDI is wrong it will be an historic first. The BDI is used by bankers, financial experts, brokers, traders and everyone in high end finance to assess the global financial condition and the availability of products worldwide. The BDI has dropped 94% in a short few weeks which means raw materials, grains, ores, steel, iron, cement and all imported products for food manufacturing and product manufacturing even though we actually do very little of that here in the US."
No....Clinton got in trouble
for lying about his blowjob. It is called lying under oath and it is punishable by law.
Should have saved yourself the trouble.
Your message was so juvenile and old hat, I don't know why you even posted.
Thank you for once again proving how ignorant your leftist lunatics really are.
More trouble in Iran
Iran's increasingly isolated opposition leader effectively ended his role in street protests, saying he'll seek permits for future rallies. A leading cleric demanded in a nationally broadcast sermon Friday that leaders of the unrest be punished harshly and that some are "worthy of execution."
Federal Grand Jury Digging Deep into Bush Crimes
PRESIDENT INDICTEDFEDERAL GRAND JURY DIGGING DEEP INTO BUSH CRIMES
By Greg SzymanskiA federal whistleblower close to the Chicago federal grand jury probe into perjury and obstruction charges against President Bush and others said indictments of top officials were handed down this week. A spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office of the Northern District of Illinois, however, refused to confirm or deny the source’s account.
“We are not talking about any aspect of this case, and our office is not commenting on anything regarding the investigation at this time,” said Randall Sanborn from the office of U.S. federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, the attorney conducting the grand jury probe into whether Bush and others in his administration violated federal law in a number of sensitive areas, including leaking the name of a CIA operative to the media.
In December 2003, Fitzgerald was named special counsel to investigate the alleged disclosure of Valerie Plame’s name to several mainstream columnists, but the present grand jury probe has expanded to include widereaching allegations of criminal activity as new information has surfaced.
Although the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Chicago is staying silent, it is well known that Fitzgerald is digging deep into an assortment of serious improprieties among many Bush administration figures, based, in part, on subpoenaed testimony provided by former Secretary of State Colin Powell.
According to whistleblower Tom Heneghen, who recently reported on truthradio.com, Powell testified before the citizen grand jury that Bush had taken the United States to war based on lies, which is a capital crime involving treason under the U.S. Code. “Regarding the Powell testimony, there is no comment,” said Sanborn.
However, sources close to the federal grade jury probe also allegedly told Heneghen a host of administration figures under Bush were indicted, including Vice President Richard Cheney, Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and former Cheney advisor Mary Matalin. Heneghen, unavailable for comment, also allegedly told sources White House advisor Karl Rove was indicted for perjury in a major document shredding operation cover-up.
In recent weeks, there has been much controversy over Fitzgerald’s wide-reaching probe, which is extending far beyond the Bush administration to include what some have called “a wholesale cleansing” of a crimeladen White House and Congress.
Fitzgerald’s investigation is said to be also centered on members of the 9-11 Commission, members on both sides of the aisle in the House and Senate and also select high-powered members of the media.
Needless to say, administration officials are “fighting mad” with Fitzgerald. Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts is trying to derail Fitzgerald’s probe by calling him to testify before the Senate regarding his true motives behind the investigation.
Political observers are now wondering whether administration-friendly Republican legislators, some under investigation themselves, are conspiring like President Nixon did in Watergate with Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox in an attempt to shield the Bush administration from prosecution.
In late July, reports about the recent bomb scare in the subway under the congressional offices at the Dirksen Building—coincidently near where Fitzgerald was holding his grand jury hearings—raised questions as to whether government operatives were sending the zealous prosecutor a “warning message” that he was entering dangerous waters with his investigation.
The bomb scare was reported to local police late Monday afternoon, July 18, causing the subway to be evacuated for approximately 45 minutes while bomb sniffing dogs and SWAT team members searched for what was reported to be “a suspicious package” left on one of the subway cars.
Fitzgerald began serving as the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Illinois in September 2001. He was initially appointed on an interim basis by former Attorney General Ashcroft before being nominated by Bush.
The Senate confirmed his nomination by unanimous consent in October 2001. In December 2003, he was named special counsel to investigate the Plame case. Based on the testimony of ABC sources in late July, it appears that at least two close associates of Rove testified before the grand jury. One was Susan Ralston, a longtime associate of Rove and considered to be his right hand.
The other was “Izzy” Hernandez, regarded as Rove’s left hand and now a top official in the Commerce Department.(Issue #33, August 15, 2005)
Honey chile, I was bred, born and raised in the deep south. LOL
Yes killing this country - have you been out of the country the last 3 months or so
Don't you have a clue as to what is happening in America? Where have you been? Don't you listen to what is happening or are you still drinking the kool-aid. That time is over. Put the aid down and wake up. The country is being destroyed. These have been the worst 4 months in the history of bad presidents. Foreclosures are on the rise, unemployment is on the rise, 3+ trillion more in deficit and on the rise, companies shutting down, Clinton for SoS. Napolitano - one of the biggest tragedies to happen to America. The list goes on and on and on and on.
Dubya is not in office anymore. You think dubya "pulled the trigger", well the O keeps reloading it and continues to pull the trigger.
Bettery try that again or I'll get in trouble with
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2006/09/saturday-cartoons.html
Conservative starting trouble
It is obvious this is a conservative trying to start trouble on the liberal board. Who cares what you think about Senator Clinton? Cast your vote and lets see how the country thinks..A level headed calm thinking democrat or a rash testosterone so out of touch with reality dangerous republican. Oprah had a show on universal health insurance a few weeks ago and a professor was on and stated that when the conservatives want to scare the people or distract from programs to benefit the people, they say it is socialism. Well, what I want to know is, what do you call the health insurance program the Congress has? That most definitely is government health insurance, so I guess socialism?. Well, if it is good enough for the Congress, it is good enough for the people. What do you call the govt programs that build bridges, roads, dams, run schools, etc., etc., etc..? Socialism? The govt must help the people of this country. We pay our taxes and we have a right to govt programs to better the lives of the people of America. I am so sick of conservatives and thankfully most of America is too.
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