Unbelievable, ignorance abounds. nm

• We are heading toward a civil war of a magnitude we cannot foresee - Kaydie
  • Schwarzenneger for pres - now that's funny
    • Kolly-fawn-ya!.......nm. - Dee
  • You must be too young to remember the 50s and 60s. - Recent times pale in comparison....sm
    • Tell me the last election that a person who is not - Kaydie
      • You are correct for once...including the - 2008 election. He's a citizen. Deal. nm
        • Obama has never denounced his citizenship - sm
          • He had the right to accept his Kenyan citizenship... sm - oldtimer
            • Not once he was adopted into the country - of Indonesia............sm
              • Perhaps when putting yourself out as an immigration law expert, - you wouldn't mind citing the statute. nm
              • His father was a Kenyan. His mother married an Indonesian man who adopted him. However, no one...s - oldtimer
        • Obama is an adopted child of a Kenyan man - who is from Kenya.....Obama does
          • It does not matter if he has quadruple citizenship was born on Pluto, - The one she inflicted on herself...sm
            • He lost his citizenship upon adoption by his - Indonesian stepfather.....
              • Not true, No one can give up the citizenship of a child who is a US citizen. nm - oldtimer
                • His mother remarried an Indonesian man - no longer citizen after adoption
                • Once you are adopted into another country - no longer citizen here.
                  • NOT TRUE. No one can take your US citizenship from you - no matter what. nm
                  • Both posts above are true- plus you could not - New Englander
                    • No, both plus yours are false. - Try consulting State Dept website. sm
                    • This is absolutely not true. Thank God for the ...sm - vermonter
                    • He has been able to produce no immigration - papers proving his citizenship
                      • Why should he? No other Hawaiians - required to do this. Look, we know....sm
          • Correction, that should be Indonesian man by - the name of
          • Unbelievable, ignorance abounds. nm - oldtimer
            • You're right. You should educate yourself out of - your denial........nm
        • We will soon find out once the investigation is complete - Kaydie
          • The investigation IS complete. Have you been sleeping? nm - Geez!
            • See link - New Englander
            • No, it's not complete......still in the courts - sm
            • Not complete! YOU ARE SLEEPING. - Lawsuit still in the court now.nm
              • Yes it is. Any attorney with an ax to grind can file appeals - 'til the cows come home.
                • This is not an appeal......it is asking for a vault - certificate, which he can't produce......nm
                  • Can YOU produce your vault birth certificate? - If this is any indication of how dense
                    • No such thing as a "vault" birth certificate...sm - oldtimer
                      • There is such a thing - see message - just me
                      • 'vault' birth certificate - zoesnana
                    • Yes I can - nm - New Englander
                    • Sure I can......... - sm
          • Certified BC from HAWAII has been submitted. - Burden of proof on PROSECUTION...sm
            • SO far he hasn't proven anything - lawsuit still in process
              • My God. It's like talking to concrete. - They have SUBMITTED the required documents...sm
                • Even if he could prove citizenship, which he - hasn't, he is no longer
            • Then why didnt O just provide the REAL documents - and get it overwith? -still ongoing.nm
              • Good question...why hasn't he? However, - there is proof that he was
                • His father was a Kenyan citizen. We all know that. What is ...sm - oldtimer
                  • He was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather - sm
                    • How may times do I have to say this? You are absolutely wrong. No one,,, sm - oldtimer
              • Old news, the real documents have been submitted and accepted. nm - oldtimer
                • Nope, he has to prove a lot because - sm
                • Wrong! O was ordered by court to submit his vault - copy of BC, ignored that, still ongoing.nm
              • Uhhh. BTDT. What part of burden of proof is on the prosecution - do you not get? sm
                • Ah no, burden of proof is on Obama to prove his - citizenship..........just like it
  • You do know that McCain isn't technically eligible to run for president, right? - independent
    • Please. They are both eligible. What is wrong with you people? sm - geek
      • Crimenetra - independent
        • Once he was adopted into another country he - lost his citizenship here
          • As a matter of fact, I do ... - independent
          • The depth of this ignorance is inconceivable. - Yes, as a matter of fact, I do...sm
            • His Indonesian father adopted him who lived ONLY - in Kenya
              • Are your geographically challenged. Indonesia is in Asia and...sm - oldtimer
    • They researched this in 1999 and verified - he was ..............sm
    • Technically he is eligible to run - see message - Kaydie
      • He was born too early ... - independent
        • 11 days out. Seriously. Aren't we beyond the point - of no return here? Get real, will ya?
      • Wrong, What are we going to do with you Kaydie? sm - oldtimer
        • heh heh - maybe she's "home-schooled" - - ......
          • Home-schooled kids are smarter than publicly - educated kids........ MSMT
      • Citizenship argument...another red herring on - te road to nowhere.
      • So frickin' what? - sheesh
      • PS - I forgot to add - Kaydie
        • Still holding out that last desperate hope - on that frivolous lawsuit, are we? sm
          • No he has not proven anything. He still cannot - produce a vault certificate
        • you forgot to add that you are a RACIST. - NMSG
          • You sound like Obama. Have a problem with - someone so call them a RACIST. cop-out.nm
          • This is a hurtful statement - Kaydie
            • Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh! You can MAKE - acusations, but cant TAKE em.
              • I didn't say anything hurtful toward you and I don't want to be banned. - Kaydie
                • Sorry you have to deal with so many cooks - they have no values, don't ya know
  • You seriously need to GET A GRIP. - Your post sounds almost Orwelian.
    • Nope...see message - Kaydie
      • Not gonna bother. your posts are way too - long and filled with racism.
        • So now I'm a racist because I don't want the constitution violated? - Kaydie
          • The constitution has very little to do with it, - and U know it.
            • What a dimwit...the constitution has EVERYTHING - to do with our country or at
            • Yep, anyone who is NOT for Obama is a RACIST. - sm
              • There ya go - you sed it yerself! - ;p
                • I was also told I was racist cuz I did not believe OJ Simpson was innocent. Whatever. - nm

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In my town a lady has been arrested for trying to abort her unborn child by ingesting an assortment of dangerous substances, normal household cleaning agents and other substances found in every home.  Okay, I an definitely against abortion BUT if it's no big deal for those who choose abortion to go out and purposefully abort their child and this lady is trying to do the same thing only differently, what's the difference?   If she can be arrested, then shouldn't ALL mothers attempting abortion be arrested? 

This is as asinine as saying abortion is okay because the fetus isn't REALLY a child but on the other hand after the Laci Peterson murder in which she was carrying a child, a law was then passed that if a woman was killed while carrying a child, that person would be charged for 2 murders, not one, because the fetus IS a child!!!

Of course, there is really no way around trying to excuse it.  If the fetus is a living thing if the mother is killed while pregnant, then isn't the fetus a living thing that deserves life, thereby abortion being murder?  So absolutely asinine the laws we pass that just contradict one another!  

by Gretyl Macalaster

PORTSMOUTH - The evidence for impeachment of the president and vice president is overwhelming, former CIA analyst and daily presidential briefer Ray McGovern told a room full of people at the Portsmouth Public Library Monday night.

McGovern, who provided daily briefings for former presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush as well as other high ranking officials during his 27 year CIA career, said he has witnessed a "prostitution of his profession" as the Bush administration lied to the American people about the evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

"Don’t let anyone tell you the President was deceived by false intelligence … they knew," McGovern said.

For the next 40 minutes, he relayed a series of events leading up to 9/11 which illustrate the President’s desire to go to war with Iraq well before 9-11, that reliable CIA evidence showed that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction and was presented to the administration and the "facts were fixed" in order to legitimize the invasion.

"The estimate which said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction was prepared to the terms of reference laid down by Cheney in a speech on Aug. 26, 2002. It was the worst estimate of intelligence and came to the wrong conclusions, but it was designed to do that," McGovern said.

McGovern has been an outspoken commentator on intelligence-related issues since the late 1990s and since 2002 has been publicly critical of Bush’s use of government intelligence in the lead-up to the war.

The recent report detailing Iran’s stopping its nuclear weapons program four years ago, is an example of how the administration knows it can no longer hide such "incontrovertible evidence" from the American people in the fallout from the misinformation they received on the Iraq War, McGovern said. He added that he had almost given up on believing their were people still working at the top with a conscious and enough people at the top willing to let analysts do their job and accept independent analysis.

In late 2005, Congress requested an estimate on Iranian nuclear capabilities.
"My former colleagues got really good, incontrovertible evidence that the program, such as it was, has been ordered stopped since 2003. The evidence was such that not even Cheney could deny it. That’s why the report was not produced until three weeks ago," McGovern said, adding that the Bush administration has been putting "spin" on their rhetoric ever since.

McGovern also addressed the reasoning he believes is behind the threat of war with Iran. He said he believes Israel thinks they have a pledge from the White House to deal with Iran before Bush leaves office and relayed the story of the U.S.S. Liberty, which was attacked by the Israelis in 1967 and covered up by the United States. Thirty-four U.S soldiers were killed and about 170 were seriously injured.

"It seems to me, that on June, 8, 1967, Israel realized it could literally get away with murder," McGovern said.

McGovern said he also believes Congress will be of little help. Recently House Speaker Nancy Pelosi admitted to learning about torture and illegal eavesdropping in briefings, but said it was her understanding when briefed, that she will not share the information with anyone else, including other members of the House Intelligence Committee.

McGovern called Pelosi out on violating her oath to uphold the Constitution "against enemies, foreign or domestic" by allowing acts in violation of the Constitution to continue by not saying "diddly."

He added that although an impeachment bill currently in Congress is gaining more support, Democrats are shying away because of the influence of lobbies and political analysts telling them to "wait it out" until the election.

Charges in the impeachment bill sponsored by Dennis Kucinich, are very detailed and "as good as any," McGovern said, and referenced the illegal eavesdropping of American citizens. He added that the President has "admitted" to this "demonstrably impeachable offense."

"The argument for impeachment is overwhelming," Randy Kezar of Kingston said after the event. "Impeachment is constitutionally required."

McGovern’s visit was co-sponsored by NH Codepink, Seacoast Peace Response, NH Peace Action, NH American Friends Service Committee, Seacoast 9-11 Questions Group, NH Veterans for Peace and Witness for Peace-N.E.

this one is more recent, 2 days ago...other one was 3 days ago...

http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=71759&videoChannel=1

You can't carry on a civilized conversation or bring any important information into debates.  You are nothing but a troll.

Democrats put an earmark in the bailout bill for ACORN....

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With this out there, plus video of Frank opposing reform, Pelosi gets up and thanks Frank and Emanuel for their intellect in dealing with this situation.  If it weren't so pathetic it would be funny.

Now saying Repubs did not vote for it because their feelings were hurt and they were "punishing the country."  And said...are you ready for this:  "We have the votes to pass it but it would not be right if it was a Democratic majority.  That would not be good for the country."  HUH?  lol.  Translated:  If it goes south we don't want to be the only ones to blame.  Yeah, that is really putting country first.

I am so disgusted, not with all democrats, but certainly all the ones on the hill.  I wouldn't vote for a Democrat for congress this time around, period.

It's absurd drivel like this that will lead to something catastrophic happening to President Obama, who happens to be a CHRISTIAN!

First you guys say he shouldn't do anything because he's not in charge yet.  Then, when he does do something you do nothing but post articles and sayings from Fox news and right-wing conservatives.  (In case you haven't noticed they are turning on each other right now and really have no room to talk about anyone else.)

The 2 posts below in particular that caught my attention were the "drill, drill, drill" post and the reference to adding onto the deficit.

1.  Drill, drill, drill.  If you want jobs NOW, as you posted, you might want to look somewhere else.  Just how long do you think it takes to get an oil rig flowing?  LOL. 

2.  Deficit.  Would that be the same deficit that your beloved Bush gave us as a parting gift? 

And then there's the not so insightful article that was posted basically saying this would be the Clinton administration again.  You may want to wait on the criticism until you hear what he does instead of using speculation.  And oh yeah, would that be the same Clinton administration that left us with a surplus before Bush got in there?

There was a drug bust in my area overnight. One form of heroin being sold was stamped "Obama 09" !

Good heavens! Now they're even rooting for him. I have never heard of anything like this before.

It only makes things worse, not better. The anger it causes with "outsiders" coming to that small town does not do any good. Let the people of that town alone. They're doing okay without outsiders stirring up trouble.

I'm not just talking about that town. It happens all over the USA. These groups get together and go to a town just to stir up trouble. I've seen it happen again and again. They have no right sticking their noses in where it doesn't belong. Let them protest in their own towns.

The KKK does this all the time, too. They don't get the press, though, and they shouldn't be sticking their noses in where it doesn't belong, either.

This person either didn't even watch the clip and is completely unaware of Phelps and his "activities" or simply silently condones the heinous things he does.  I particularly despise Phelps' uninvited attendance at the funerals of American soldiers and his "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" motto.

I would be this person posted himself/herself blue to blast Rev. Wright, but this Phelps moron is okay.

Unfortunately, it says a lot about some people who post on this board. 

Now who am I going to believe?

A newspaper (that you admittedly don't LIKE) or YOU, who obviously knows more than I would ever want to know about skinheads?  You (and your party of lies and deceit) don't have an ounce of credibility, and I'd believe the NYT any day over the ignorant, bigoted, hateful likes of YOU!

In case you haven't noticed, there is a huge controversy over rape and murder of civilian Iraqis.  It certainly makes sense that a neo-nazi skinhead group would carry out these kind of brutal acts with no conscience and without thinking twice. 

Your beloved skinheads are making the rest of our very FINE military look bad, yet you defend these filthy subhumanoids. 

I'm not surprised that you're angry because apparently what was supposed to be a big secret is now being publicized.  I'm also not surprised that you're defending them.  I fully expected some from the other board to reveal their true selves when I posted the article.

You're repulsive.  Go crawl back under the rock you slithered out of.  You're leaving a disgusting slime trail. YUCK! 

This will be my last post to you.  I don't deal with hateful bigots.

What do ya'll think about this?  I cannot believe it.  The bailout was bad enough when it was to keep the banks from failing which was going to ruin us all, but now these individual cities are asking for money for things such as mass transit improvements, expansion of clean technology businesses, to fund long-neglected infrastructure, more police, upgrades to airport terminals and runways, upgrades to wastewater treatment plants, etc.

Where is it going to end?  What happened to all the taxes people have been paying in for years anyway?  Why was it not being used for those things all along?  And why should I in Georgia have to pay to give people in other states money to fix things?  Alaskans are not giving me part of that money they get every year from their oil...  Maybe that is selfish - but if they continue to take and take from me, then what I am supposed to do?