Uhhh. BTDT. What part of burden of proof is on the prosecution
Posted By: do you not get? sm on 2008-10-24
In Reply to: Then why didnt O just provide the REAL documents - and get it overwith? -still ongoing.nm
Give it up. Ain't happenin'.
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Ah no, burden of proof is on Obama to prove his
is supposed to be with any immigrant wanting to come into this country. What part of that do you not understand? Of course, I realize most "illegals" aren't proving anything now days and BTW, I can understand their love for him, seeing how O wants to give all "illegals" a drivers license.
Like I said, what a sellout he is.
The proof is in the pudding - and there is no proof......no WMDs....nm
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No they shouldn't - lets talk about prosecution of Clinton
Listening to this reminds me of why I don't talk to my mom about politics. She is ignorant of the facts.
You may not like them and no, they were not perfect but they did what they had to do for the safety of the country.
Unlike what Clinton did during his administration. There is plenty there to prosecute him for.
you used the word burden
I view it as a responsibility. There is no substitute for a mother in the early years. One person cannot attend fully to a dysfunctional family AND devote full attention to the political world. It is not possible. There were plenty of other choices MCcain could have selected who had healthy families. He screwed up because he was desperate.
Proof, my dear, proof. s/m
Give me one shred of evidence that Obama is planning to "steal" from one hand to give to another. If you have heard HIM say that, then tell me where I can find it. If not, may I suggest a hearing check-up?
Can only speak for myself, but I'd rather their tax burden be FAIR.
I thought YOU guys were the ones who swore by capitalism and applauded people who worked hard to succeed in life. It's very telling how you swoon over the one who was born rich and never had to work a day in his life. Says a lot about your work ethics.
LOL! Let's see....poor young southern boy works hard, grows up to be successful. I smell a lot of conservative JEALOUSY in the air, and it stinks.
Post is about tax burden of rich, poor,
I will not concede your suggestion that there was NO surplus under Clinton. If the amount of in question, so be it, even though I have seen that figure in multiple sources and have provided the link to them repeatedly. Fact is that GW inherited a surplus in the hundreds of millions. Even if he started from zero (which he did not), he still created a deficit of $400 billion, so no matter how diligently you try to suggest that there was no surplus under BC (a delusional notion), fact remains that the public has every right to compare JM (who voted with Bush 90% of the time) and GW when it comes to lack of fiscal responsibility. Observations about relationship between tax burden and distribution of wealth are valid economic principles and cannot be knocked out by the spin machine.
BTDT.
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BTDT.
I did comment on it a few minutes ago. I never said I did not believe something was going down. I simply wanted to do my own research, gather the info and draw my own conclusions. I would be interested in any response you may care to make.
To tell you the truth, I don't feel I have enough info just yet to comment on exactly what she may be up to. I'm a dyed-in-wool Kool-Aider, and about as left as they come, but I am not that impressed with Pelosi and think the party could do better....MUCH better. I don't know about her being purposely swarmy or anything like that, but I think she's a divider instead of a uniter and that's the LAST thing we need in the House. It also looks like her power has gone to her head, not a terrible reassuring or attractive quality.
I can be a real hardline agitator when it comes to rhetoric and heated debates on subjects that I hold dear to me, but when it comes to leadership, I look for results, not pomp and circumstance. That's why they are there and I hang out on the forums!
Uhhh......sm
that would be "the fruit he bears"....not "bares." If he bares his fruit, that might cinch the deal for a lot of Americans!
Sorry........I just HAD to go there. ;o)
BTDT. Please address views of the
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BTDT. Just thought you might want to share
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We've BTDT with this subject.
The "sex education" being discussed relates to the kind where children are empowered to recognize inappropriate touching by adults and encouraged to report such molestation incidents to schoold counselors and parents. By best friend is an adult survivor of molestation that occurred between ages 4 and 7. Her 2 sisters were also molested. She has schizoaffective disorder, had a psychotic break at age 30 (when her first and ONLY relationship with a man ended) of the sort that disabled her from being self-supportive for 2 years.
Since that time, she has been in individual and group counseling twice weekly and has been on heavy medication consisting of anxiolytics x2, antidepressants, antipsychotics and sleep medications ever since. She is 53 years old now and continues to live a tortured existence and is barely able to hold down an hourly MT job...production being out of the question because she can't handle the stress.
I have to wonder how her life and the lives of her 2 sisters (one a life-long alcoholic, the other with manic depression) had someone told her that sitting on grandpa's lap and bounching up and down was not a good game to play with him and that her father was not supposed to touch her "wee-wee" when he puts her to bed at night.
uhhh well so far I have never asked one of you if you...
pee venom? So far you have the sole capture on that lovely piece trash talk.
Uhhh, again this is HER message....
You might want to get used to hearing about Palin. In case you haven't noticed, she may be the new leader of the republican party. You want to just stay off the subject of Palin, and yet Palin herself is trying to get her message out by appearing on show after show all week. Last night everybody was all up in arms because Palin was brought up and called it bashing. The funny thing is that last night in the same thread someone basically called Obama a liar, and this morning you guys are all over him yet again.
Uhhh...NOPE!
Sorry if you feel that way, but the majority of us do not.
She's not worth a debate IMHO...BTDT..nm
BTDT. This is an equally offensive opportunity.
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Uhhh....with all due respect anon2....
I am not thinking calling America a terrorist state and the other rhetoric would use in a video to encourage Democracy. But, I would not expect you to take an objective viewpoint, as you probably don't consider terrorism a threat. Again...certainly your right.
Uhhh...more to the point, Al-Quaeda is
Can't see the forest for the trees? Blinded by the hate machine? This post in no way implies that McCain is a Moslem. That's the McCain camp O slur.
To read terrorist network chatter is not unAmerican. Go to the link and read the article. Al-Hesbah is a notorious jihadist internet forum. Follow the context and pay especially close attention to the logic of this endorsement.
Uhhh..you're fogetting something here.
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Uhhh.. Obama IS a socialist and has ties to a
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only part saved was the ignorant part
You can read the whole article. This quote was saved to show what she said that was so stupid.
Proof
I have seen pictures on all the cable news stations of the women in their Birkas and the Taliban striding by with their AK47s. The stories go The Taliban is back, stronger and more organized than ever. The president of Afghanistan is resigning one term was enough. The opium trade has done better this year than any year previously. I pick this stuff up everywhere, TV, radio, magazines...
As for Lamont, do I think his win means everything will change? Of course not. What it meant and what it emphasized was the presence and strength of grassroots organizations, blogs. For some of us this is the only power we have. For some people they can vote in every election and their vote will never count. If you are in a definite, forever and ever amen red or blue state, if you are the opposite color your vote will not count ever. Your states votes will go to the same party it has always gone to. The Lamont win gives us some hope that we the people can vote again and have it count, not to mention just be counted...but that is another story. Secondly it put the spotlight on the fact that people are really sick of this war and the incompetent way it has been handled. The war will be a big issue in 2008.
Rabid hatred of Bush...I feel nothing towards Bush at all. He is a benign, hapless puppet. He pretty much does what he is told by his handlers. Now, Rove, Cheney...there are 2 fat bald guys I really dislike.
But where is the proof? sm
Where is the proof that a Republican president raped anyone? The fact is, I never heard those stories. The burden of proof is on the person making he accusations.
Once again...proof that no one
wishes to make an actual list just to see how very little experience Obama has. So just keep spatting about Palin and ignoring the fact that Obama has less experience. Such denial.
Here is the proof...........sm
Obama’s Comprehensive Tax Policy Plan for America will:
* Cut taxes for 95 percent of workers and their families with a tax cut of $500 for workers or $1,000 for working couples.
* Provide generous tax cuts for low- and middle-income seniors, homeowners, the uninsured, and families sending a child to college or looking to save and accumulate wealth.
* Eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses, cut corporate taxes for firms that invest and create jobs in the United States, and provide tax credits to reduce the cost of healthcare and to reward investments in innovation.
* Dramatically simplify taxes by consolidating existing tax credits, eliminating the need for millions of senior citizens to file tax forms, and enabling as many as 40 million middle-class Americans to do their own taxes in less than five minutes without an accountant.
http://www.barackobama.com/taxes/
"I think we're going to need a second stimulus. Part of my commitment is to make sure that the stimulus includes a tax cut for 95 percent of working Americans. It may be the first bill I introduce."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/31/obama.blitzer/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
the Tax Foundation estimates that there will be 47 million tax returns with zero income tax liability in 2009 under current law. That's one-third of all tax returns, and those 47 million tax returns represent 96 million individuals.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/23631.html
So here we have roughly 1/3 of all tax returns with zero tax liability and Obama's own words saying that he will give 95% of working Americans a tax cut. Sounds to me like folks paying no income tax will get a tax refund. Satisfied?
you can look up the proof yourself - its there
you just don't want to because you agree with them.
Facts are facts.
And yes, I am too busy to do your research.
WHAT proof do you have, that this what you are
saying is REALLY the truth and that it will really be like that?
HOW do you REALLY know that YOUR religion is the ONLY right one?
Please explain to me!
WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE !
I believe he's a dem, but have no proof. SM
He's always played his politics pretty close to his chest. Heck, even when he ran for Prez he tried to get onto both tickets. Of course, it may be own stereotyping of industry type folks, but he just seems a democrat to me.
I believe he's a dem, but have no proof. SM
He's always played his politics pretty close to his chest. Heck, even when he ran for Prez he tried to get onto both tickets. Of course, it may be own stereotyping of industry type folks, but he just seems a democrat to me.
And you don't have any proof he isn't
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And you don't have any proof otherwise
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You have no proof that this is a rumor!
Hoping something is not true doesn't make it so! Did you see the pictures? Her daughter looked much more pregnant that Palin did!
Please cite your proof........
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i saw that too. she is living proof
that a fetus is more than a glob of cells.
Petition as FBI and CIA still does not have proof.
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis/
Proof that FM/FM regulation was
tried as far back as 2001.
Sorry if this is old news, but my cousin just emailed me this link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=related
Then I took it further:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYz1rbB5V1s&NR=1
Ok, so do you have proof that it is not true?
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What proof do you have that YOUR religion, whatever
it is, is THE TRUE ONE?
Of course I don't have any proof. I'm not peeping in his windows..sm
trying to see if he's going to drink or not. You have no proof that he doesn't drink. This is all speculation.
This is a bunch of bunk. If you think discussing the wrong doing of one person holds no water because other people are doing or have done it too, then I'll just have to agree to disagree. That's like saying, it's OK because the Clinton's and Kennedy's did it. Again, whatever gets you through.
I think the discussion we need to be having is that the media needs to get out of these people's personal lives.
With liberals it's not the proof behind the accusation
it's the seriousness of the charge....
I'd like to see proof that more impoverished people are fat...sm
than middle and upper classes. Though I wouldn't count it out. It's not a secret that the most unhealthy foods are definitely the cheapest foods to buy.
This coment is living proof - nm
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Proof? Or is that not important to Dems?
Palin has never said word ONE about 'witchcraft.'
What you bitterly cling to is a YouTube video of Palin standing before her church's congregation for a blessing. (We whacky Christians do that stuff all the time, kuz, y'know, it works and stuff.) A VISITING minister from Africa (y'know, where Obama's father is from?) has CULTURAL beliefs which differ from western culture and in asking for God's blessing and protection he incorporated that word from his CULTURE.
Are you condemning Palin for what some visiting minister from Africa said? Or are you just condemning his CULTURE? Is that what you're using to try and whip up a frenzy about your cause celeb? So, so sad.
Can we say "Deliver us from evil?" (Lord's prayer since you probably aren't aware of that quote.) Would THAT be okay with you?
I say again, I worry about your fanatical obsession with the already disproven subject. Maybe there's a Salem 12-Step program or something. :)
Let's count how many more times you can throw out your 'lookie-lookie-guys-WITCHCRAFT' post before election day. Maybe you'll sway one person into voting for your candidate. Probably not, but there's no law against beating a dead horse I suppose.
There is no proof. Birth certificate has been
The only proof you have is that you have no legitimate campaign strategy and your candidate's campaign is going down in flames over this relentless stupidity.
You have all the truth there is. Needing proof
Obsessing over an internet myth....fanatic. Bankrolling lawsuits to nowhere....fanatic. Believing in fairy-tale usurpaton of unwanted election results....fanatic.
I guess you have absolute proof.......sm
of all these accusations?
Laying that aside, conservatives have just as much right to voice their opinions without being referred to as "certifiable loons" as do liberals. Come back in a couple of years and let's talk about how your paycheck is looking and how hard it is to make ends meet in the Obama economy. I have a feeling there will be a lot of disillusioned folks.
your statement/sarcasm is proof women have NOT
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Just proof that Obama really isn't out for the middle class.
He just wants our vote and he figured this would be the way to get it. To promise to not tax us middle class folks. I don't believe he intends to keep his promise. He may at first but the bottom line is that all the government spending of his and the 3 trillion dollars he plans to spend....where he is going to get that money? He is going to get it from us and that includes the middle class.
All the companies who get tax hikes will pass that tax onto us as well by jacking up prices of products and services so we the consumers pay for that tax hike. Then Obama will have to raise taxes on the middle class as well to cover his government spending. It is common sense people. Look at his record. He has consistently wanted to raise taxes and that includes on us middle class folks he is all of sudden so interested in helping out since he is up for election. Give me a break. I see through the lies and false promises. That isn't change. That is Washington elitists at their norm.
All very good points. But the proof is in the pudding....
it is up to HIM to change our minds and prove us wrong, and for the good of the country, I hope he is able to. Sincerely.
Take heart tho...they did not get a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate like they hoped, so if the Republicans will grow a backbone and stand up to them...he will be limited somewhat in what he can do. Especially in the case of SUpreme Court justices. I hope they step up (the Republicans). They have to earn my respect TOO.
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