Typical sentiment from the party of no responsibility. Cohen that is, not England.
Posted By: TM on 2005-09-29
In Reply to: Lynndie England - gt
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I did not mean typical of either party, just what I see as typical on
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I so appreciate this sentiment. It is EXACTLY what we need
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Shame on this sentiment!
Exactly what is meant by PUT COUNTRY FIRST? To you it may mean unending war, because that's EXACTLY what McCain would have delivered.
PATRIOTISM to this writer, at least, means standing up for one's COUNTRY against bad government, corrupt government.
THAT MY FRIEND IS EXACTLY, exactly what the majority of Americans did tonight!
They voted *against* the status quo of starting FAKE wars to steal resources - at the costs of millions of innocent lives and HUNDREDS of billion dollars - which costs us more than we can possibly ever understand.
They voted *against* the politics of fear which keeps us divided and paralyzed...
They voted *for* the promise of an America that COULD BE but isn't because of the dangerous and sick policies of the BUSH/GOP 8 years in power.
THEY VOTED **FOR** THEIR COUNTRY!
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Lynndie England
Lynndie deserves an apology
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Before being sentenced to three years in prison and a dishonorable discharge, Lynndie England apologized to just about everyone in sight. She apologized to coalition forces and all the families and to the detainees she and others had abused at Abu Ghraib prison - England was the smirking soldier holding the leash, you might remember - and to the families, America and all the soldiers. What she did not do is demand an apology in return. She's entitled to one.
A stronger person, maybe one with some political fiber, would have demanded an apology from her superiors - starting with the commander in chief, George W. Bush: How dare you send me into war for reasons that now seem downright specious? She might have demanded an explanation as well - not that she would have gotten one. After all, none of us really have. It was, it seems, some sort of mistake.
She might have demanded from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld an apology for a military plan that no one, with the possible exception of Mrs. Rumsfeld, thinks called for enough troops and which was implemented before all of the troops were on the ground. How dare you, sir, send me to war so exposed?
She might have demanded an apology from the Army for sending her to work in a bad and chaotic place without proper training. Who says they're sorry about that? Not the President. Not Rumsfeld. Just salute and shut up.
She might have demanded an apology for not being told if the Geneva Convention applied to her detainees. From the President on down, the unspoken message had gone forth that the war on terror was something new under the sun. And the prisoners in Abu Ghraib were not real soldiers because the actual war was over and the enemy defeated - or so said the President. The detainees were something else, terrorists maybe, linked if only by rhetoric to Osama Bin Laden and the darkest of evil. A little fun at their expense - a pyramid of nude men and some sexual abuse - is what they had coming. If she got that message, who can blame her? Better yet, who will apologize for it?
The Washington Post on Wednesday published a letter written to Sen. John McCain by an Army captain, a West Pointer at that. In it, Capt. Ian Fishback says that for 17 months he's been searching for the Army's standards regarding the humane treatment of detainees. He cannot find them. Surely, torture is applying a hot poker to some poor guy's rear end. But is it putting a leash on a nude man? Is it mocking his genitals? Is it, in fact, any of the things Lynndie England did and which, thanks to digital photography, so offended the Muslim world?
It's impossible not to be revolted by what England did and to insist that no American should need special training in the humane treatment of fellow human beings. But she is, as she says, weak and passive and the sort of woman who is an easy mark for a man with the gift of fibbery. This was Charles Graner, her superior, boyfriend and the father of her child. As is very often the case in life and literature, the perpetrator is often also a victim. No reading of England's life story can stand any other interpretation. She is one of life's losers.
Nonetheless, she deserves her punishment. So do the others. But at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and elsewhere, the buck stops suspiciously low in the chain of command. Somehow, no one higher up is responsible for the situation England found herself in or for what she did. She's apparently accustomed to this sort of thing - just another example of getting stuck with the baby. Maybe someday she'll realize that a whole lot of very important people did her wrong. Who will apologize for that?
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The post says ENGLAND threw out
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Prayers and thoughts to our friends in England
We are thinking of them
She;s right, it is serious. There was one student from England who voted early...sm
in Ohio. I would definitely call that voter fraud, wouldn't you?
Heaven knows what they'll find out when they finally get down to it.
Acorn is really messing things up for everybody, both parties included. No matter who takes Ohio, obviously, there's going to be fraud going on. Not to mention all the other states with the same problem.
And before you go off on the fact that the link is from FoxNews below....try to remember the facts, that none of the other networks will cover this....because they're all in the tank for Obama.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/10-16-2008/0004905682&EDATE=
How sad for all of us, only 1/3 of people wanted to break away from England too. nm
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Brown's Economic Plan in England Mirrors Obama's
As you read the piece (see link below) in the London Times, substitute "Obama" for Brown, and "Geithner" for "Darling". Then multiply the billions in pounds by 1.5 to change them to US dollars. You'll think you're reading about the US plan - and the same catastrophic results, among which the worst are:
1. A burden on future generations of unparalleled and unprincipled proportions.
2. An outflow of investment capital to other countries that do not penalize the engines of the economy.
What struck me about Brown's plan was his "soak the rich" approach, which exactly mirrors Obama's - i.e., hitting the "upper 2%" of the "wealthy". It is more than passing strange to me that this is the precise percentage that Obama proposes - and is equally doubtful. Given Brown's recent meetings with Obama, no one will ever convince me that he didn't get some tutoring from our superclown...er, I mean, superpresident.
Another thing that's striking is how Brown's proposals are structured so that the real pain will be imposed after the elections in GB next year. In Obama's case, most of the real pain has also been scheduled for the "out years" - meaning that the public won't begin to feel them until beyond 2011.
And finally, there is the criticism that Brown's program is based on a lot of rosy "recovery" predictions which are very doubtful. Exactly the same criticism has been leveled at Obama's program, and in our case the criticism has come not from the opposition party but from within the government itself, i.e. the Office of Management and Budget - which is considered to be a very credible source of information on this sort of thing
Cut and paste, or follow the link at the bottom: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article6168950.ece?Submitted=true
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I am an independent....neither party is "my" party.
THis election cycle I believe the best man is a Republican. Do your research. John McCain warned about this in 2005, named Fannie and freddie by name, co-sponsored legislation to control them. Blocked by Democrats, led by Chris Dodd..same guy now trying to fix what he and the Dems broke. Chris Dodd, #1 on contributions list from fannie/freddie, followed closely by #2, your shining knight Mr. Obama. The chickens have come home to roost all right...or should I say the donkeys. :)
take responsibility
and if *they* were in office, you can bet *they* would probably have been impeached, tarred and feathered by now. A capitain goes down with his ship. Bush needs to take responsibility for Iraq but one thing you have never heard from this administration is sorry, I was wrong. Never, the guy does not have those words in his vocabulary although there are many things he should be sorry for. Well, things are happening quite fast now and all the crap, dishonesty and deceit he has loaded on this country and the world will come down on him soon. I cant wait. Gonna be fun to see shrub squirm. Finally honest decent Americans are speaking out. Yippee.
you said it - take responsibility for
your loathsome actions.
It is a responsibility...
equal treatment? There will always be special healthcare for the elite. But, I think a generic plan would work for most people, and I don't feel because I make more money than some that I should have to pay more for my healthcare. NOT FAIR! We are talking about health here! Keeping everyone healthy should be important!
I asked my husband what was the difference between the "gals" that were working for the dude in New York (what was he governor?) and the "gals" that walk the trashiest neighborhood for a buck (prostitution)? He said "the rich ones don't have to do it 24/7... Now there is a male perspective for ya'...
What makes the rich customers or prostitutes any different? There's definitely a pattern here.
Responsibility
I made no comment. My posts contained no text at all. I simply linked to a news report. I never claimed that Sarah Palin was responsible for anything. My oh my, aren't we hostile today!
HA! See, I do take responsibility
I'm not the one hollering about how thanks to Obama I'll no longer have to pay my mortgage or pay for gas in my car.
They really should add "no responsibility"
to their talking points.
This is about the judgment and responsibility of
a woman who could possibly be the next Prez if something happens to the old man. This is not about who will conduct the next PTA meeting.
cant accept any responsibility
for her own actions -- the dems MAKE her do it. Yeah, she's an independent. You can put your shoes in the oven but that don;t make 'em biscuits
Exactly, pubs had to take on the responsibility
to handle the junk the dems left them with. Glad you understand.
is it a right, privilege, or responsibility
Just curious - this question was raised at the 2nd debate. Is health care a right, privilege or a responsibility? How do you all feel about it? I feel it is a right but one that comes with a price, that one does not deserve health care simply because one is alive but that one deserves health care and must be willing to take responsibility for expenses (not all, obviously, because no one could afford that) but premiums, etc., and that one should have to be responsible about their use of health care (no ER abuse, use preventive care, etc.). How do you feel about it? What would you like to see done to reform health care in the US?
Does personal responsibility mean
get off your lazy a$$, find a job, don't expect a handout, free healthcare, free college, maybe work for a living instead of expecting those of us who have been responsible to foot your bill??
Obama has already taken responsibility, and
he takes his responsibilities seriously, that's why he has his cabinet already in place and is all he can do for now until he is sworn into office. When will Bush be held responsible? HE hasn't taken any responsibility for anything, and he's not made to take responsibility by anyone. Why is that?!!! Tell me Bush is not responsible for killing over 4200 troops for no good reason, tell me Bush is not responsible for 100s of 1000s of dead innocent Iraqis, and I'll call you a LIAR.
Right on! Why take personal responsibility for
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When it comes to fiscal responsibility......you can't believe anything a pub says.......nm
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Preacher of personal responsibility: When do
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yeah, go back 50 yr, and take responsibility
for your behavior -- ie, get pregnant, you HAVE the child, even if you choose to give him/her up for adoption. yeah, go back to when we still had some morals, ethics, courage, determination, etc etc. that would be The Way !!
Al Qaeda did claim responsibility for 9-11 sm
and I believe they were. However, AL Qaeda was not in Iraq until we invaded. Rather, they were in the mountains of Afganistan and Pakistan. Invasion of Iraq gave them a venue to distract from where Islama Bin Ladin was and keep him safe.
Why not exercise responsibility with your rights?
In this day of myriad methods of birth control, there is absolutely no reason for 1.2 million abortions a year. It has grown from endangering life of mother, rape and incest to why bother with birth control, if I get pregnant I can have it flushed. It is amazing to me that any person with a heart in their chest is not appalled by that.
And a great contributor to this has been the gradual relaxation of any kind of moral responsibility...no right or wrong, only shades of gray, no consequences, sex introduced to kids earlier and earlier and earlier, not even allowing them to be kids...saying sex is fine, multiple partners is fine, heck, you don't even have to like the other person.
We are reaping what that kind of lifestyle change has sown.
Take responsibility. Demand accountability.
Why do you cut Republicans to ribbons the largest financial disaster we have faced in decades can be laid at the feet of Democrats in Congress and all of a sudden you guys are saying stop blaming. You want to stop blaming Bush for the war?
Do pubs ever take personal responsibility for anything?
Ridiculous considering the investigation was gong on way before anybody ever knew she was the VP pick.
really, sex education is the parent's responsibility...
in my opinion. Also, I am sure that the poor quality of the educational system as a whole also contributes to this high rate of pregnancy in teens and we all know that low income teens are more likely to get pregnant and Mississippi is a poor state. I think that there are several contributing factors and it is very difficult to isolate just one. However, before anyone gets too upset, I am not against educating kids about safe sex, I just think that abstinence should be included, as well, which it was not in my California high school.
Take Responsibility - You Voted for the moron...
Mr. Mission Accomplished - I'm the Decider - YEAH! So far, the worst president in US history............keep whining, it's as entertaining as a Viagra commercial!
Why is it our country's responsibility to evolve with
The purpose of those coming to this country in the first place was to be their own person, not to live for their government, not to have laws forced down their throats by their government, NOT to pay taxes to support royalty or government and to escape religious persecution.
There was NO republican party....these were people who wanted freedom from the overbearing government. They didn't come here to "evolve" with anyone but to make their own way or does the thought of having to always think for yourself scare the daylights out of you?
We don't need the rest of the world to agree or disagree with us. Believe it or not, we were perfectly capable of making our own way because the world trade garbage was implemented and all the trade agreements is also a part of why we are in this ..............
Republican or democrat, that has no bearing on what our founding fathers envisioned for this country. For those that seem to think in terms of republican or democrat only, that is the problem in the first place.....they can't think independently. They have accepted the notion that government is their only hope........get it????
Yep, personal responsibility out the window.
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This is what a republican taking personal responsibility
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No....I am advocating taking responsibility for your actions...
and not killing the result of those actions. But why teach responsibility when you can flush the problem right on out, right? sheesh.
Obama advocates personal responsibility
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Good grief! I take responsibility for the psychopath comment, but....sm
I somehow posted it in the wrong place. Look below for explanation. The message should read that the GOVERNOR OF Illinois was exhibiting typical psychopathic behavior. Too many thin-skinned people around here.
Personal responsibility and pride is hard to find
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Obama heading the Fiscal Responsibility Summit is like
Yup, bout sums it up right.
The Republican Congress did a good job with fiscal responsibility, didn't they?
bout sums it up
What's even more typical
....is when somebody posts the hypocrisy in your posts you accuse them of something in an effort to change the subject.
Go ahead and have the administrator track my IP address. I don't have anything to hide.
Typical
They're desperate. The fact that she had the decency to even think of something is refreshing. Truthfully, both parties need to try it more often.
If they want to continue this, fine. We can just keep reminding them how nobody on their side does anything to return $ to the taxpayers. All the libs want is to redistribute wealth and take more $ from you to give to someone else while further bloating the gov't. This is why the Republicans were punished by America and also their own party. They deserved it. Now we're reclaiming our party.
Ask your accountants how it'll affect you. I suppose some people will get lucky due to random numbers, but not the bulk of Americans.
typical
dumb dem drama queen
Typical ploy
Ask me a question and then answer it for me.
Where did I say *any*one wasn't entitled to spew as much filth as they want?
WHERE?
Typical apologist for the hate-mongerers out there: Don't address the real issue(s) just change the subject or wave a red herring.
This is so typical of you lefties. sm
Cut and run. It's your mantra. For all your crying about the innocent civilians killed in Iraq, that is NOTHING compared to what will happen when we leave. But you never mention that. Just like Vietnam. Well, at least your are consistent.
What is typical of the left?
It kind of got lost in the point you were trying to make, something about Lurker not answering your question the way you wanted her to...or somethin' like that.
Typical lib reply
The name-calling. You wear it so well.... Classy, honey.
This is your typical response from the
Obama Kool-Aid drinkers. They cannot and will not face the truth, they only want to argue. So what if this is just an example. So is Joe the Plumber. He is just a man who asked a simple question. He never said he was a licensed master plumber making 250,000 a year. He did not go to Obama to ask the question, just happened to be there. Oh, sorry, wrong subject. Anyway, stereotypical response.
You have the typical dem attitude of it's everyone
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