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the bit about the open microphone on McCain during the debate was brilliant!!! I laughed until I literally cried!!  By the way, Michelle Obama was warm, intelligent, sincere and very much First Lady material!!!

The following exchange between Fox News host Brian Kilmeade and Fox News business contributor and substitute host Stuart Varney occurred during breaking news coverage of the attacks on London subways and buses on the July 7 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

KILMEADE: And he [British Prime Minister Tony Blair] made the statement, clearly shaken, but clearly determined. This is his second address in the last hour. First to the people of London, and now at the G8 summit, where their topic Number 1 --believe it or not-- was global warming, the second was African aid. And that was the first time since 9-11 when they should know, and they do know now, that terrorism should be Number 1. But it's important for them all to be together. I think that works to our advantage, in the Western world's advantage, for people to experience something like this together, just 500 miles from where the attacks have happened.

VARNEY: It puts the Number 1 issue right back on the front burner right at the point where all these world leaders are meeting. It takes global warming off the front burner. It takes African aid off the front burner. It sticks terrorism and the fight on the war on terror, right up front all over again.

KILMEADE: Yeah.

Wouldn't you say the mindset of the young depends on the conditions and need for the war?  That is what I was alluding to.  In condemning this generation with their lack of morals you are also condemning soldiers in Iraq, I assume?  My belief is that if this country ever found itself in a dire situation that our young people would respond as needed.  Call me an optimist.  I cannot condemn a whole generation based on my version of what is moral and what isn't.  I would say sending soldiers to die in an unnecessary war is immoral.  Lack of care for our country's poor and sick is immoral.  Little kids starving in our country is immoral.  Our treatment of minorities and your condemntation of all liberals is immoral.  I believe that not only is abortion immoral, but many other things, too.  You may also blindly support our military, no matter what it is sent to do.  I don't.  I'm not a fool.  I would not have supported our military slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Native Americans in the 1800s, or supporting the slavery trade indirectly.  I would have applauded and supported any soldier who went AWOL, any demonstration against this military action.  Unlike you.

But you see, I have common sense.  I cannot argue or debate with  someone who doesn't have it.  You have a blinding anger toward Democrats and liberals.  You have no use for the truth.   I am sure this is not the first time you have been told this.

The rest of your post is so twisted and lacking common sense, even to insulting a person for reading books (heavens, we wouldn't want to educate ourselves -- another fear of the conservative posters) that it isn't worth my time to answer.

Please read Lurker's post.  You will deny it's accuracy, I'm sure.

As far as Ann Coulter, someone posted that the liberals had written and said terrible things also.  Indeed they have.  But Ann's article was posted on the conservative board as a fine and shining example of conservative wit and intelligence.  In reality, it was one of the smuttiest and sickening things I have read in a long time.  I don't recall any liberal posters crowing over such liberal trash on this board.  They seem to be a pretty moral group over all, and a group that's got a lot of common sense, most of all.

You said:

There are things that the poster felt needed to be said, and you see, this is a liberal board. 

As it has been said ad nauseam, anyone can post on this board.  Liberals post on the conservative board as well.  I must have been absent the day you were named moderator.

You said: 

You have a habit of mis-representing the facts, of twisting them to fit your agenda and your conscience. 

 On the basis of what, three posts, you say I have a habit of misrepresenting the facts and twisting them to fit my agenda and m conscience.  Pot calling the kettle black, I would say.  You posted erroneous information, represented it as fact, and I called you on it.  If anyone's conscience should be bothering them, that would be you.

You say most of the people of the U.S. were against slavery.  At different points in history that may or may not have been true, there weren't a lot of nationwide polls back then.  Could you share your facts?  Just the facts, ma'am. 

I again refer you to history.  History is full of the people who opposed slavery.  We are at war right now as a country but as it is perfectly clear, is it not, that the whole country is not behind the war. 

The fact is though that slavery was perfectly legal for 100 years in this country.  Try twisting that one.  That's what I mean when I say this country condoned slavery.  But I think that was obvious to most folks.

Because it is legal does not mean all the people in the country condone it.  Abortion is legal in this country but I sure as heck do not condone it.  That doesn't mean I bomb abortion clinics or stand outside them and ridicule the people using them.  But I do not condone it, nor do many others.  I follow the laws of the land but I do make sure with my vote and in other ways to work to see that law gone.  And I think that is obvious to most folks as well. 

Secondly, you say this was Congress's war just as much as Bush's.  Well, we know that is not true either.  It was Bush and his cronies that planned this war, probably even before 9/11.  There was erroneous evidence presented to Congress that led them to okay military action.

I really am incredulous that there are still people who buy that nonsense.  Erroneous evidence presented to Congress?  The Senate Intelligence Committee had the very same information the Bush administration had.  And if all those congresspeople are so ignorant they could be *fooled* into buying into lies (if there were any, which there is no proof there were) that led the country into war, then I would think, for the love of pete, that you would be equally as incensed at them.   What proof do you have that Bush and his cronies planned anything?  None, because there is none.  As you said, just the FACTS, ma'am.  

  If your daughter came home from school and stated that the neighbor girl beat her up you would might believe the evidence.  However, do you not change your course of action if it turns out the neighbor girl didn't do the actual damage? 

I believe you twist and arrange the evidence so you don't feel guilty about this utter madness and endless slaughter we know as Iraq as you similarly defend the US government role in the slaughter of indigenous peoples.

There you go again.  First, my friend, I do not feel guilty.  I have nothing to feel guilty about.  I support the American military and I certainly support the war on terrorism.  I do not readily forget 3000 people dying.  I will never forget watching those people jump out of that building to avoid being incinerated and for what?  Simply because they were Americans.  How easily you seem to blow that off.

And I did not defend the US government role in the slaughter of indigenous peoples.  I did not defend slavery.  Both were wrong.  Abortion is wrong, but they happen every day, and they happen NOW.  There is no longer slavery and there is no longer the slaugher of indigenous peoples.   Why does it not bother you that it is legal to slaughter upwards or over a million babies unborn babies every year?  Why don't you get involved to stop that?

My whole point is that the US is indeed a great and often noble and generous country.  I really want it to stay that way though and powerful people have a way of corrupting the moral values that have sustained this country for so long. 

Excuse me yet again...but that is exactly what I said.  The moral values that the country was founded upon and have sustained and how far we have gotten from that.  But I guess we are talking about two different sets of moral values.  What set are you talking about?

 The US has taken some pretty bad detours along the way but fortunately common sense and good character have generally won out in the long run.  Complacency and acceptance of corrupt power is always a threat though and that's why we need to QUESTION always those that are in near-absolute power.  I firmly believe that those who question are the MOST patriotic.

I never said questioning was unpatriotic.  What is unpatriotic in my view and always will be is suggesting that any American soldier died in vain.  What I think is unpatriotic is while we have men and women dying in combat, no matter who sent them there or for what reason, we owe them the respect to, if we cannot support their mission, to not go public with rampant criticism and for the love of everything Holy not to suggest publically that they are fighting and dying for nothing.  Not only do I think that is unpatriotic, I think it is selfish and mean.  Doesn't mean you or anyone else can't grouse about it friends in the privacy of a home, but to go public with it where friends, family and loved ones of soldiers who have died there, were injured there and continue to fight there can read it.  I don't know why some people (not naming anyone in particular) cannot just hold all that in until the troops come home.  Then if they want to dissect it, take it apart, malign it or whatever, our troops are home and no longer in harm's way.

It is rhetoric like you are repeating that Al Qaeda loves to hear, and their greatest propaganda tool.  Playing right into their hands.  And yes, giving that upper hand to the enemy is to me, yes, unpatriotic.

You have a need to twist and turn the truth and you appear to have little common sense or ability to see the big picture as far as humanity is concerned.  This may explain why you appear to have little to do with your time other than post incessantly and lengthily on a board where you are only interested in passive-aggressive attacks under the pretense of "trying to understand." 

As far as your post where you perseverate to almost a frightening degree regarding my comment on your "rightwing rags" -- you know exactly what I'm referring to.  Just your comment alone about all the soldiers supporting the war and your questioning the poster about where they heard that some soldiers do not support this war --- that's a prime example.  A year or two ago when you'd post you'd simply cut and paste lengthy quotes from those right-wing publications I refer to. 

Don't know why I'm having to tell you this.  I'm having to play your game and that's not a good idea as your rules aren't fair, or truthful some of the time.

things for your own advantage.  I'm just tired of the same ole BS spewed by you.  Obama is the best thing and Bush is the root of all evil...blah blah blah.

All politicians are evil.  That is why we have switched control from pubs to dems and our country is still going down the crapper.  That isn't change.  Seems to me like pubs and dems alike want to spend.  They only complain when the other side spends and screws the American people but it is fair play when it is their political party doing all the spending. 

Obama is not doing a good job.  If we was, there wouldn't be so many tea parties, etc.  Moderate democrats aren't even on board with what he is doing either.  Our country is quickly changing for the worse and yes...Bush started it....but Obama is going to finish it and he is pushing it as quickly as he can.  He has blatantly lied and the media has given him a pass.  The man has broken so many promises and is spending so much money that we don't have.  He is ruining us and all people like you do is refuse to see what he is actually doing.  You just listen to his smooth teleprompter speeches and watch with gaga gaga eyes and drool while you believe every lie that comes out of his mouth. 

You are just as bad as the Bush lovers who refuse to believe he did anything wrong either.  I think the extreme left and extreme right both need to get a clue!

what some may call interpretation.  I didn't twist any words.  Let me say this again,

WHEN OBAMA WAS ASKED ABOUT THE PHRASE "WAR ON TERROR", HE REPLIED HE WOULD LIKE TO "WIN OVER MODERATE MUSLIMS".

I didn't twist his words.  He's the one who referenced moderate muslims with terrorists.  If you prefer I rephrase it using his words, fine "I prefer not to win over moderate Muslims."  Does that make what I said previously any different?  Not likely. 

You're entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine.  Trying to convince me otherwise will not work.  That wasn't the intent of my post.  My post was to see if anyone else felt the same way as me, not try to change someone else's feelings. 

This politics board cracks me up.  No one is supposed to have an opinion that differs from the "big posters".  Well, guess what?  I do have a different opinion.  If pi$$ed you off, too bad. 

She didn't say anything remotely close to what you're accusing her of saying!

Note that the Army exceeded the June goal of 5,650 by 507 recruits……….but if it hadn’t have lowered the original goal which was 6,700, it would have missed its goal again by 545. Are these guys smart or what?

You guys just never get real or get honest...do you?  ANd the pathetic part is that there so many folks who just follow along with the obvious deceptions and lies......

This must be why you so obviously love Muslims? 

You do realize that you contradict yourself on just about every other post you make?  ROFL..

By Richard Morin and Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, November 4, 2005; A01

For the first time in his presidency a majority of Americans question the integrity of President Bush, and growing doubts about his leadership have left him with record negative ratings on the economy, Iraq and even the war on terrorism, a new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows.

On almost every key measure of presidential character and performance, the survey found that Bush has never been less popular with the American people. Currently 39 percent approve of the job he is doing as president, while 60 percent disapprove of his performance in office -- the highest level of disapproval ever recorded for Bush in Post-ABC polls.

Virtually the only possible bright spot for Bush in the survey was generally favorable, if not quite enthusiastic, early reaction to his latest Supreme Court nominee, Samuel A. Alito Jr. Half of Americans say Alito should be confirmed by the Senate, and less than a third view him as too conservative, the poll found.

Overall, the survey underscores how several pillars of Bush's presidency have begun to crumble under the combined weight of events and White House mistakes. Bush's approval ratings have been in decline for months, but on issues of personal trust, honesty and values, Bush has suffered some of his most notable declines. Moreover, Bush has always retained majority support on his handling of the U.S. campaign against terrorism -- until now, when 51 percent have registered disapproval.

The CIA leak case has apparently contributed to a withering decline in how Americans view Bush personally. The survey found that 40 percent now view him as honest and trustworthy -- a 13 percentage point drop in the past 18 months. Nearly 6 in 10 -- 58 percent -- said they have doubts about Bush's honesty, the first time in his presidency that more than half the country has questioned his personal integrity.

The indictment Friday of I. Lewis Scooter Libby, Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff, in the CIA leak case added to the burden of an administration already reeling from a failed Supreme Court nomination, public dissatisfaction with the economy and continued bloodshed in Iraq. According to the survey, 52 percent say the charges against Libby signal the presence of deeper ethical wrongdoing in the administration. Half believe White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, the president's top political hand, also did something wrong in the case -- about 6 in 10 say Rove should resign.

Beyond the leak case, Americans give the administration low scores on ethics, according to the survey, with 67 percent rating the administration negatively on handling ethical matters, while just 32 percent give the administration positive marks. Four in 10 -- 43 percent -- say the level of ethics and honesty in the federal government has fallen during Bush's presidency, while 17 percent say it has risen.

Faced with its cascade of recent setbacks, the White House is hoping the latest court nomination can rally disaffected conservatives and score the president a victory akin to the one he enjoyed in the nomination of Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. Alito begins the confirmation process with the support of 49 percent of the public, while 29 percent say he should not be confirmed, the poll found. One in 5 Americans -- 22 percent -- did not yet know enough about him to make a judgment.

The dissatisfaction with Bush flows in part out of broad concerns about the overall direction of the country. Nearly 7 in 10 -- 68 percent -- believe the country is seriously off course, while only 30 percent are optimistic, the lowest level in more than nine years. Only 3 in 10 express high levels of confidence in Bush, while half say they have little or no confidence in this administration.

Just 35 percent of those surveyed rated the economy as either excellent or good, with 65 percent describing it as not so good or poor. Although the government reported last week that gross domestic product rose 3.8 percent in the last quarter, despite the effects of Hurricane Katrina, 29 percent of those surveyed said they regard the economy as poor, the highest recorded during Bush's presidency.

Attitudes toward Bush are sharply polarized by party, as they have been throughout his presidency. Almost 8 in 10 -- 78 percent -- of Republicans support the president, while just 11 percent of Democrats rate him positively. Republicans long have been the key to Bush's overall strength, but Bush has suffered some defections since the beginning of the year, when 91 percent approved of the way he was handling his job.

Among independents, Bush's approval has plummeted since the beginning of the year. In the latest poll, 33 percent of independents approved of his performance, while 66 percent disapproved. In January, independents were evenly divided, with 49 percent approving and an equal percentage disapproving.

The intensity of Bush's support has changed since his reelection a year ago, with opponents deepening their hostility toward the administration. In the latest survey, 47 percent said they strongly disapprove of the way he was performing in office, compared with 35 percent who expressed strong disapproval in January. At the same time, the percentage who say they strongly approve of his performance has fallen from 33 percent last January to 20 percent today.

Iraq remains a significant drag on Bush's presidency, with dissatisfaction over the situation there continuing to grow and with suspicion rising over whether administration officials misled the country in the run-up to the invasion more than two years ago.

Nearly two-thirds disapprove of the way Bush is handling the situation there, while barely a third approve, a new low. Six in 10 now believe the United States was wrong to invade Iraq, a seven-point increase in just over two months, with almost half the country saying they strongly believe it was wrong.

About 3 in 4 -- 73 percent -- say there have been an unacceptable level of casualties in Iraq. More than half -- 52 percent -- say the war with Iraq has not contributed to the long-term security of the United States.

The same percentage -- 52 percent -- says the United States should keep its military forces in Iraq until civil order is restored, and only about 1 in 5 -- 18 percent -- say the United States should withdraw its forces immediately. In the week after U.S. deaths in Iraq passed the 2,000 mark, a majority of those surveyed -- 55 percent -- said the United States is not making significant progress toward stabilizing the country.

The war has taken a toll on the administration's credibility: A clear majority -- 55 percent -- now says the administration deliberately misled the country in making its case for war with Iraq -- a conflict that an even larger majority say is not worth the cost.

The president's handling of terrorism was widely regarded among strategists as the key to his winning a second term last year. But questions about Bush's effectiveness on other fronts have also depreciated this asset. His 48 percent approval now compares with 61 percent approval on this issue at the time of his second inauguration, down from a 2004 high of 66 percent.

Bush also set new lows in the latest Post-ABC News poll for his management of the economy, where disapproval topped 60 percent for the first time in his presidency. And 6 in 10 are critical of the way Bush is dealing with health care -- a double-digit increase since March. On gasoline prices, Bush's numbers have increased slightly over the past two months but still remain highly negative, with just 26 percent rating him positively.

The survey suggests a rapidly widening gulf between Bush and the American people. Two in 3 say Bush does not understand the problems of people like them, a 10 percentage point increase since January.

Nearly 6 in 10 -- 58 percent -- doubt Bush shares their values, while 40 percent say he does, another new low for this president. For the first time since he took office, fewer than half -- 47 percent -- said Bush is a strong leader, and Americans divided equally over whether Bush can be trusted in a crisis.

Told of the poll results, Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman said Bush will rally support through such issues as education reform, changes to the tax code, and a new energy strategy to show the public that he will continue to push for changes in our government to serve the American people.

A total of 1,202 randomly selected adults were interviewed Oct. 30-Nov. 2 for this survey. Margin of sampling error for the overall results is plus or minus three percentage points

This has not been broken since 9/11/01, please keep it going...
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IF I KNEW

If I knew it would be the last time
That I'd see you fall asleep,
I would tuck you in more tightly
and pray the Lord, your soul to keep.

If I knew it would be the last time
that I see you walk out the door,
I would give you a hug and kiss
and call you back for one more.

If I knew it would be the last time
I'd hear your voice lifted up in praise,
I would video tape each action and word,
so I could play them back day after day.

If I knew it would be the last time,
I could spare an extra minute
to stop and say I love you,
instead of assuming you would KNOW I do.

If I knew it would be the last time
I would be there to share your day,
Well I'm sure you'll have so many more,
so I can let just this one slip away.

For surely there's always tomorrow
to make up for an oversight,
and we always get a second chance
to make everything just right.

There will always be another day BR>to say I love you,
And certainly there's another chance
to say our Anything I can do?

But just in case I might be wrong,
and today is all I get,
I'd like to say how much I love you
and I hope we never forget.

Tomorrow is not promised to anyone,
young or old alike,
And today may be the last chance
you get to hold your loved one tight.

So if you're waiting for tomorrow,
why not do it today?
For if tomorrow never comes,
you'll surely regret the day,

That you didn't take that extra time
for a smile, a hug, or a kiss
and you were too busy to grant someone,
what turned out to be their one last wish.

So hold your loved ones close today,
and whisper in their ear,
Tell them how much you love them
and that you'll always hold them dear

Take time to say I'm sorry,
Please forgive me, Thank you, or It's okay.
And if tomorrow never comes,
you'll have no regrets about today.

But a speech like that would mean that Bush is being honest, and that can only happen in our dreams... sigh...

finding that people who are normally neutral (in public) have been talking out lately about  our situation here at home. Keith Olberman usually was quite funny most of the time, but not of late. He has issued some scathing comments directed at the ineptitude of the administration and their outright refusal to do anything about it, even acknowledge it. Joe Scarborough has been talking up the administration's mess as well. There comes a point when, no matter what side you are on, the truth is so enormously in your face that you must address it if you want to maintain any kind of credibility at all. It heartens me to see people who are not progressives, Democrats, liberals, whatever, stand up and say these people have crossed too many lines too many times. It is not okay. I really believe the protesters or dissenters or those asking questions being likened to Nazi appeasers was the last straw for a lot of people.  Oh, and by the way, it seems the U.S. has lost Anbar province to Al-Qaeda and have no hope of getting it back. This happened in August. Anbar province is 50,000 square miles. How's that going to play in Peoria.

Cheny on Meet the Press....talk about pretzel logic. He made no sense whatsoever.  He said we would have gone to Iraq even if we knew they had no WMD (which of course they did know) anyway. Then he said Iraq did have them. Then he said he wouldn't address this and wouldn't address that and he didn't remember, yadda yadda yadda. And W. That interview with Matt Lauer creeped me out. He kept getting closer and closer and in Matt's face and putting his hands on Matt. I thought he was going to start finger thumping Matt's chest. and start an actual fist fight; he was that stressed when he could not answer why if what we are doing in secret prisons is legal, then why can't we do it here?  Good question. I used to feel that it was us against them, the Bush people versus everyone else but I truly now feel that it is the Bush administration against the whole country. It is really really frightening.

people post stuff like this and then someone replies with facts instead of just sarcasm and insults!  Great post and well said! 

How could even the most brain-dead, idiotic, party-blind Democrat, let alone any moderates or "independents", in Minnesota vote for AL Franken for the Senate?

Minnesota gets two Senators, so who's next from these brilliant voters who brought us Governor Jesse Ventura - Senator Chuck E. Cheese?  Cheech & Chong?  It's really hard to believe the citizens of Minnesota who think it's funny to elect such pathetic losers to office can possibly take their voting responsibilities very seriously.

than for Obama to be a one-term president.  However, I can't make that call as there are just too many people who still love the man.  Too many people who refuse to see his blatant lies.  Too many people who won't hold his feet to the fire for the broken promises.  Too many people voting for him merely because he is black.  Too many lazy scum voting for him because they want a hand out and to be taken care of by the people who actually work.  We also have the biased media reporting how great Obama is doing and people who only watch that news and don't really research things.....might just blindly think he is doing a great job. 

We are really going to be fighting an uphill battle here.  We will just have to wait and see what happens and I know I won't be voting for him just like I didn't in 2008.  But I'm not going to say that there is no way he will get re-elected because there are a lot of kool-aid drinkers out there and a lot of ignorant voters who don't research and just listen to a biased news media.

We can't count our chickens before they hatch but I would absolutely LOVE to see him not elected again. 

The thing that scares me is that Hugo Chavez himself said that if Obama keeps taking over things in America like he is.....he is going to further left than Chavez himself.  Doesn't that scare the dickens out of anyone that Chavez is saying that Obama could very well be more left than he is?  OMG......scary!!!!!