Truman was decent, Johnson was not. sm
Posted By: MT on 2006-07-20
In Reply to: Truman and Johnson both had sharp minds. - Lurker
Johnson was not even liked by his own party. In fact, there were many conspiracy theories amont the DEMOCRATS that he had something to do with Kennedy's death. Kennedy, despite his personal life, was one of the best presidents we ever had. Truman and Kennedy and even Johnson were real Democrats, not like those of today.
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Truman and Johnson both had sharp minds.
They may not have been polished but they could think on their own and put an entire sentence together all on their own. Truman, I believe, said **The buck stops here.*** Being a war time president, he took full responsibility for what was going on on his watch for which he was much admired, here and abroad. Johnson gave us civil rights. I did not much like Johnson personally but I admired what he did. He said **I have just given the south to the Republicans** when he signed civil rights into law, but, he had the courage of his convictions and did the right thing, control or no control, votes or no votes. I cannot say the same about the current administration. To them the buck stops anywhere but with them and they would do ANYTHING to keep their party in control, sacrifice a few seats here and there in order to do the right thing, not in this lifetime, not if it means losing control.
Interesting you should mention 2 Democrats as unpolished but (I assume) decent presidents.
It IS important that our president can express himself well. We as a nation look more and more weakened because our leader does not read and cannot produce a complete sentence to save his soul; and he was elected to be OUR president and the leader of the free world. What does that say about all of us. The more situations deteriorate the more inarticulate he becomes. America has always been the mediator in the Middle East but this time, the Italians and the French OMG showed up first. Norway and Greece were the first on the scene to move Americans out of Lebanon. When asked if they were surprised that the first to show up were not Americans, the Americans in Lebanon said ***NO, I mean, look at Katrina. We thought we would be here a long long time.*** I know that many on the right don't care what the world thinks of us but I do and I think it is always best to have allies. This administration just burns bridges. Scary Scary Stuff.
truman
World War II lasted four years. Roosevelt died. Truman dropped the bomb. Truman left office with a 29% approval rating.
Same country.
Very decent post, Suzie.
You obviously spent a lot of time and thought on it and I for one appreciate it, as well as your courtesy.
You raised so many pertinent points that are worth discussing. My time's running out for tonight (maybe can have more tomorrow) but would like to comment on one thing - I know that limiting the scope of the federal govt. is a truly a traditional Republican concern and I think it has merits in many ways. But, I think we have all gone to school these past five years and should be learning something about the dangers of limiting it too much. I think there is definitely a role for the federal govt. to play in business regulation. For so long we have heard that deregulation is a great thing - free market! Let the market adjust itself! - and that would be fine in Utopia where everyone acts with integrity, but let's face it, business run amok is not likely to regulate itself, and this is not an issue that state and local govt. can tackle effectively. If govt. serves any purpose at all, in my view, it should be to protect American citizens from blatant abuses of big business (not the good ones - just the bad ones) such as we see happening today with the credit industry, writing its own laws in the Republican Congress and behaving in a way that is simply outrageous.
Too often however, the cry of deregulation! and smaller govt.! is used by those who simply want the freedom to steamroll the public without pesky rules and scruples getting in the way. We have seen this happen before our own eyes during the Bush terms, over and over again. The American consumer has never before been so dangerously at the mercy of corporate abuse and only the federal govt. could be in a position to stop it.
So on that one point anyway, yes I agree we want to limit unnecessary federal intrusion into our lives and small businesses. However I disagree that shrinking the federal govt. so that it cannot perform its basic function of protecting and defending us from wolves and vampires of the corporate sort is a good idea.
Hey just me....I agree with you both....and one decent politician....sm
that I can name appears to be Bobby Jindal, republican governor of Louisiana.
What I find so interesting, is that there are lists and lists of corrupt Republican politicians and they are always run out on a rail, even when sometimes the corruption is made up, and yet the stigma remains, and they still resign.... and yet you are very hard to put to find a democrat corruption list.
Why?
Probably because when a democrat is corrupt, they usually stay in office, and no one prosecutes them, and they think they've done no wrong, even when it's the same thing that their rep counterparts have done. At least Louisiana has finally outsted Wm Jefferson, the dem with thousands of dollars in his freezer. Then there's the guy who had a relationship with his male page, another dem, can't remember his name. There are few other dems that have come to justice and have resigned, but the rest of them remain in office, business as usual.
It's too bad that any corrupt politician, republican or democrat or independent, seem to think they're above the law...until they're caught at it.....and even then, as I said, the dems, with the liberal media being enablers, tend to side step any wrong doing.
I wish sam was around. She could name them off in her sleep. My husband can also name them off, but I get so disgusted I stop listening. If the rest of the country doesn't care that their politicians are corrupt, and keep electing them, what can you do?
Here's a couple lists I found, but that's all I could find on a quick search, and they are from 2006 and 2007. Notice the dems on the lists....
http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007
http://www.judicialwatch.org/6091.shtml
Finally - a decent interview
I caught the interview with Sarah Palin tonight. Part 2 is on tomorrow. I thought finally! Someone treating her with respect. The interview with Gibson last week was definitely a set up (been in the military and I know about investigations and such, and how to make people "uneasy"). As much as I cannot stand Hannity I have to say the interview was very respecful and not condescending. He asked her decent questions and asked her to explain herself on some issues which she did. When it comes to economics, energy and other issues she shows the wisdom and intelligence to understand what is happening and what needs to be done to get the problems fixed. There was no doubt in my mind by the end of the interview she will be one of the best VPs and I have confidence enough that if something happens to JM she will do just fine. However, JM's family lives to be quite a ripe old age so am sure he will be around for many more years to come. I'm just glad there was finally a fair interview. Asked her tough questions, had her explain her viewpoints and treated her with the respect she deserved. Can't wait to see the rest of it tomorrow. She'll be talking about how she has been treated by the media among other things.
Decent hadworking Americans....
were killed on Bush's watch. He couldn't even cough up any decent representation from FEMA when Katrina hit. Don't tell me how he protected us! Shame on YOU!
I see a couple decent things and especially
like this one:
"The measure also contains a provision denying lawmakers the automatic cost-of-living pay increase they are due next Jan. 1."
We shall see if that happens.
I would suspect that Peggy Johnson
is in for a RUDE awakening.
She is fugly...airbrushing is what makes her look halfway decent..nm
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How many funerals did Johnson and Clinton attend.
Answer me that. It is inappropriate because it seems you will use any tragedy to further your sad and disturbing hate for this president. I get that by reading these boards.
Nope, how about Lyndon Johnson and the Gulf of Tonkien? nm
Levi Johnson is not a political figure - take it to the gab board
He is not a political figure and neither is Bristol.
When you don't get your own way or can't argue with anything, you claim others are whining. Typical and embarrassing on your part. You have nothing to argue with to my other post so you say I'm whining????? I'd laugh if it wasn't so pathetic.
This topic is not about Sarah Palin or what she is doing in her job as Governor. It has nothing to do with the state of Alaska, and last I knew she and McCain lost, so you can't be whining about what they are doing on the campaign trail.
Oh here's a news flash for you since you don't know this yet. The elections are over. They ended on 11/04/08. Obama/Biden won and McCain/Palin lost - just so you'll know.
Let me repeat once again...
Levi Johnson...not in politics or a political figure...
Bristol Palin...not in politics or a political figure.
Please take the juvenile remarks about how happy you are that people are suffering to the gab board, and leave this board for valid political discussions. Actually I think you might have more fun on funsites.com/ki-teen or facebook. They have the age group there for this kind of discussion.
Get a grip!
Pretty weak - Johnson was a product of Texas politics,
....just like Bush, Rove, Delay, and a slew of other Suite F-8 Texans now strangling our democracy. Kennedy didn't like him, and Johnson went into fits of rage over his brother, Robert Kennedy, who he never referred to as anything but that son of a b****. Johnson was financed throughout his unstoppable career by Brown & Root (today KBR, a subsidiary of Halliburton). Politically he was a far closer match to the current Republicans both in ideology and political technique (woo them with money, destroy them if they won't cooperate with the agenda, and remember to feed that war machine at every opportunity).
Johnson was a Democrat because 60 years ago that was the Texan standard. But, he paved the way for the current breed of southern Republicans to take control. It's no surprise that Johnson leapt right into Viet Nam or collaborated with people who wished to deceive and manipulate the American people - that is what these people do. Kennedy was the true Democrat - but that just wouldn't do for either Johnson or the rest of his political soulmates who are, of course, Republicans.
So tell me - what political office does Levi Johnson and Bristol Palin hold -sm
Answer: None. What contract did they sign? Answer: None. If they did sign a contract like you said they did, I'd like to see the paper with their signatures on it. This post has nothing to do with the job that Gov. Palin is doing. It has nothing to do with what she is doing in her office, politics, or for the people of Alaska. It is not talking about issues that affect our lives on a daily basis (like skyrocketing taxes, unemployment, people losing homes, etc). This post is about as juvenile as they come. Again you need to take this to the gab board or a website that speaks of such juvenile issues.
Last I knew Sarah Palin was not exploiting anything right now. She has gone back to Alaska and is no longer running for VP for an election that has ended. And if you want to talk about exploiting children lets talk about Biden and that grandson he grabbed up and held onto everytime a camera came into site. It was like watching George with Kuato attached to his chest from the movie Total Recall. Now that there is a crat prop if I ever saw one.
If you hate Palin so much then fine. At least have the decency to pick on her for something she did. Levi Johnson and Bristol Palin do not hold any political office and they did not sign any contracts so that they could be bashed and harrassed the rest of their lives.
You said it "if you are looking for a more intelligent read, I suggest you start reading comic books". So you even admit that your posts are less intelligent than comic books.
I would suggest you and others that want to continue this juvenile discussion there are still issues of Archie and Veronica and Veronica and Betty comic books out there you could read too.
As for non-political issues (i.e. Levi Johnson and Bristol Palin's personal lives) take it to the gab board or a teenager website where you could discuss til your hearts content. Leave this board for political discussions.
And give it a rest. We are sick of non-political issues on this board.
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