To all you Palin lovers, please check your facts...(inside)
Posted By: I have checked the facts on 2008-10-25
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It is scary that so many of you think this woman is so wonderful. How in the world can you think that when she is tromping on everyone to beat it to the White House when she is so unqualified. Plus the woman must be on welfare that she has to charge the state of Alaska for flights, hotel rooms (and not in the Days Inn either), for herself, children, etc., then go back into her expense chart and add things to get it to pass, wonder who advised her to do that?) She certainly did not disclose the wardrobe that was given to her out of campaign money, and she didn't shop at Walmart either, admidst the credit crunch she pretends to care about (I guess it doesn't apply to her personally), and where there is smoke there is fire, the woman is vindictive, look at Troopergate. This morning now it is being disclosed she leaned to special bids for the Alaskan pipeline that cannot possibly be built for years if even then and that is her platform. Anyone who cries foul about the press maligning her when they find out about sneaky things she does does not get my respect. Just listen to her interview with Katie Couric - how dumb can one get? I did not start out biased towards her, I just read about her and became alarmed.
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Check your facts mam
It is interesting that more than half the "accomplishments" were in fact, engineered by a REPUBLICAN controlled legislature, most PROMINENLTY welfare reform. AND... "BJ Bill" just went along "for the ride."
Go check your own facts.
The most blaring oversight: The constitution sets out qualification requirements for presidential candidates. The first one on the list is "natural born citizen." He's running. He will be nominated this week. That would make him a natural born citizen.
Next. Obama was born August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii. Hawaii became the 50th state in the union 2 years before that on August 21, 1959. I remember. I was there. That would make Obama a natural born citizen. Maybe in your mind somehow Hawaii doesn't count since it is not attached to the continental 48 or because its ethnic character is not white enough to suit you, being a majority-minority state with whites outnumbered by Asians, American Indians, Alaskan Natives, Native Hawaiians, Pacific Islanders and mixed races. Could it be because they do not share American colonial history, the fact that 27% of them do not speak English (the official language) or perhaps their vast religious diversity and failure to convert the entire population to Christianity that makes them not pass muster?
Christian (28.9%)
Buddhist (9%)
Jewish (0.8%)
Other* (61.1%)
Other includes: agnostic or atheist, unaffiliated, Bahá'í, Confucian, Daoist, Druid, Hawaiian, Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Shinto, Scientologist, Unitarian, Wiccan, Zoroastrian, inc.
Every single one of the 1.2 million Hawaiian people as described above are American citizens. Whatever your reasons for not recognizing that, like it or not, Hawaii will be celebrating its 50th year of statehood next year. Obama just turned 47. That makes him natural born. Deal with it.
And BTW, most of us get enough of QA during our work hours. We like to think that when we log on here, we check the grammar police at the door. When the poliical parties start behaving worthy of a capital "R" or a capital "D", they just might have that status restored. In the meantime, like any other internet site, we exercise the option to use literary license to demote them to lower case if we choose to do so.
That's not really her. Check your facts. nm
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Check you tax facts (etc.) here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rViRra7bHDc
Check your facts . . .
this is not voter fraud. It doesn't matter how many bogus votes are registered . . they still would not be able to actually vote. ACORN pays people to go out and register voters, and unfortunately sometimes the people they hire are less than honest and so make up names because they get paid based on volume. But these bogus voters don't actually vote. Not the most efficient system, but that's the way it goes . . . it's the way this country has been run for the last 8 years, and I don't hear you moaning about that!
You need to check your facts...
Dems Target Private Retirement Accounts
Democratic leaders in the U.S. House discuss confiscating 401(k)s, IRAs
By Karen McMahan
November 04, 2008
RALEIGH — Democrats in the U.S. House have been conducting hearings on proposals to confiscate workers’ personal retirement accounts — including 401(k)s and IRAs — and convert them to accounts managed by the Social Security Administration.
Triggered by the financial crisis the past two months, the hearings reportedly were meant to stem losses incurred by many workers and retirees whose 401(k) and IRA balances have been shrinking rapidly.
The testimony of Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, in hearings Oct. 7 drew the most attention and criticism. Testifying for the House Committee on Education and Labor, Ghilarducci proposed that the government eliminate tax breaks for 401(k) and similar retirement accounts, such as IRAs, and confiscate workers’ retirement plan accounts and convert them to universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration.
Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., chairman of the House Committee on Education and Labor, in prepared remarks for the hearing on “The Impact of the Financial Crisis on Workers’ Retirement Security,” blamed Wall Street for the financial crisis and said his committee will “strengthen and protect Americans’ 401(k)s, pensions, and other retirement plans” and the “Democratic Congress will continue to conduct this much-needed oversight on behalf of the American people.
Currently, 401(k) plans allow Americans to invest pretax money and their employers match up to a defined percentage, which not only increases workers’ retirement savings but also reduces their annual income tax. The balances are fully inheritable, subject to income tax, meaning workers pass on their wealth to their heirs, unlike Social Security. Even when they leave an employer and go to one that doesn’t offer a 401(k) or pension, workers can transfer their balances to a qualified IRA.
Mandating Equality
Ghilarducci’s plan first appeared in a paper for the Economic Policy Institute: Agenda for Shared Prosperity on Nov. 20, 2007, in which she said GRAs will rescue the flawed American retirement income system (www.sharedprosperity.org/bp204/bp204.pdf).
The current retirement system, Ghilarducci said, “exacerbates income and wealth inequalities” because tax breaks for voluntary retirement accounts are “skewed to the wealthy because it is easier for them to save, and because they receive bigger tax breaks when they do.”
Lauding GRAs as a way to effectively increase retirement savings, Ghilarducci wrote that savings incentives are unequal for rich and poor families because tax deferrals “provide a much larger ‘carrot’ to wealthy families than to middle-class families — and none whatsoever for families too poor to owe taxes.”
GRAs would guarantee a fixed 3 percent annual rate of return, although later in her article Ghilarducci explained that participants would not “earn a 3% real return in perpetuity.” In place of tax breaks workers now receive for contributions and thus a lower tax rate, workers would receive $600 annually from the government, inflation-adjusted. For low-income workers whose annual contributions are less than $600, the government would deposit whatever amount it would take to equal the minimum $600 for all participants.
In a radio interview with Kirby Wilbur in Seattle on Oct. 27, 2008, Ghilarducci explained that her proposal doesn’t eliminate the tax breaks, rather, “I’m just rearranging the tax breaks that are available now for 401(k)s and spreading — spreading the wealth.” 
All workers would have 5 percent of their annual pay deducted from their paychecks and deposited to the GRA. They would still be paying Social Security and Medicare taxes, as would the employers. The GRA contribution would be shared equally by the worker and the employee. Employers no longer would be able to write off their contributions. Any capital gains would be taxable year-on-year.
Analysts point to another disturbing part of the plan. With a GRA, workers could bequeath only half of their account balances to their heirs, unlike full balances from existing 401(k) and IRA accounts. For workers who die after retiring, they could bequeath just their own contributions plus the interest but minus any benefits received and minus the employer contributions. 
Another justification for Ghilarducci’s plan is to eliminate investment risk. In her testimony, Ghilarducci said, “humans often lack the foresight, discipline, and investing skills required to sustain a savings plan.” She cited the 2004 HSBC global survey on the Future of Retirement, in which she claimed that “a third of Americans wanted the government to force them to save more for retirement.”
What the survey actually reported was that 33 percent of Americans wanted the government to “enforce additional private savings,” a vastly different meaning than mandatory government-run savings. Of the four potential sources of retirement support, which were government, employer, family, and self, the majority of Americans said “self” was the most important contributor, followed by “government.” When broken out by family income, low-income U.S. households said the “government” was the most important retirement support, whereas high-income families ranked “government” last and “self” first (www.hsbc.com/retirement).
On Oct. 22, The Wall Street Journal reported that the Argentinean government had seized all private pension and retirement accounts to fund government programs and to address a ballooning deficit. Fearing an economic collapse, foreign investors quickly pulled out, forcing the Argentinean stock market to shut down several times. More than 10 years ago, nationalization of private savings sent Argentina’s economy into a long-term downward spiral.
Income and Wealth Redistribution
The majority of witness testimony during recent hearings before the House Committee on Education and Labor showed that [u]congressional Democrats intend to address income and wealth inequality through redistribution.[/u]
On July 31, 2008, Robert Greenstein, executive director of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, testified before the subcommittee on workforce protections that “from the standpoint of equal treatment of people with different incomes, there is a fundamental flaw” in tax code incentives because they are “provided in the form of deductions, exemptions, and exclusions rather than in the form of refundable tax credits.”
Even people who don’t pay taxes should get money from the government, paid for by higher-income Americans, he said. “There is no obvious reason why lower-income taxpayers or people who do not file income taxes should get smaller incentives (or no tax incentives at all),” Greenstein said.
“Moving to refundable tax credits for promoting socially worthwhile activities would be an important step toward enhancing progressivity in the tax code in a way that would improve economic efficiency and performance at the same time,” Greenstein said, and “reducing barriers to labor organizing, preserving the real value of the minimum wage, and the other workforce security concerns . . . would contribute to an economy with less glaring and sharply widening inequality.” !["](http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/images/smiles/puke.gif")
When asked whether committee members seriously were considering Ghilarducci’s proposal for GSAs, Aaron Albright, press secretary for the Committee on Education and Labor, said Miller and other members were listening to all ideas.
Miller’s biggest priority has been on legislation aimed at greater transparency in 401(k)s and other retirement plan administration, specifically regarding fees, Albright said, and he sent a link to a Fox News interview of Miller on Oct. 24, 2008, to show that the congressman had not made a decision.
After repeated questions asked by Neil Cavuto of Fox News, Miller said he would not be in favor of “killing the 401(k)” or of “killing the tax advantages for 401(k)s.”
Arguing against liberal prescriptions, William Beach, director of the Center for Data Analysis at the Heritage Foundation, testified on Oct. 24 that the “roots of the current crisis are firmly planted in public policy mistakes” by the Federal Reserve and Congress. He cautioned Congress against raising taxes, increasing burdensome regulations, or withdrawing from international product or capital markets. “Congress can ill afford to repeat the awesome errors of its predecessor in the early days of the Great Depression,” Beach said.
Instead, Beach said, Congress could best address the financial crisis by making the tax reductions of 2001 and 2003 permanent, stopping dependence on demand-side stimulus, lowering the corporate profits tax, and reducing or eliminating taxes on capital gains and dividends.
Testifying before the same committee in early October, Jerry Bramlett, president and CEO of BenefitStreet, Inc., an independent 401(k) plan administrator, said one of the best ways to ensure retirement security would be to have the U.S. Department of Labor develop educational materials for workers so they could make better investment decisions, not exchange equity investments in retirement accounts for Treasury bills, as proposed in the GSAs.
Should Sen. Barack Obama win the presidency, congressional Democrats might have stronger support for their “spreading the wealth” agenda. On Oct. 27, the American Thinker posted a video of an interview with Obama on public radio station WBEZ-FM from 2001.
In the interview, Obama said, “The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society.” The Constitution says only what “the states can’t do to you. Says what the Federal government can’t do to you,” and Obama added that the Warren Court wasn’t that radical.
Although in 2001 Obama said he was not “optimistic about bringing major redistributive change through the courts,” as president, he would likely have the opportunity to appoint one or more Supreme Court justices.
“The real tragedy of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court focused that I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change,” Obama said.
Karen McMahan is a contributing Editor of Carolina Journal.
Maybe you should check your facts...(sm)
Here's a hint:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KntmpoRXFX4
You should check your facts before...
you make a complete fool of yourself! Unless you enjoy playing the fool.
Check your facts, puh-leezer.
You're not going to find any Democrats who say they approve of what Bill Clinton did. Wherever do you get the notion that you would?
You *might* find a few who bring up the fact that it didn't make a spit's worth of difference to the security of the nation and for that reason, they (and the rest of the non-American planet)felt impeachment - hey, even the inquiry which led to the famous lie - were a ridiculous, partisan witch hunt if ever this nation has seen one. And in that they would be correct.
Now, let's hear you be so Democratic. Repeat after me: I do not support the lies my president told. It was wrong of him to tell them and for that he should be publicly punished.
Only one problem,right? - it is against your religion as it is against Bush's, to admit executive wrongdoing of any kind. Ever.
Now tell us again, who comes up looking like a faker?
No, it was about not believing everything that is said without check the facts! (nm)
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No, it was over 1,000. killed. Check YOUR facts.
I am not sure how reliable this source is, but here goes:
http://links.org.au/node/823
Occupied Ramallah, Palestine -- December 27, 2008 -- Today, the Israeli occupation army committed a new massacre in Gaza, causing the death and injury of hundreds of Palestinian civilians [latest reports place the death toll at more than 200].
They did not state the number of wounded, but that is a far cry from the "over 1,000 killed" that you quoted. And if you do any Google searching at all, the number varies by whatever web site you go to.
And why does Israel have to kow-tow to the world? Why does Israel get blamed for all the troubles in the middle east? Ask yourself what provoked Israel to do that? I just can't see Israel waking up and saying, "Oh boy, what a beautiful day, let's go kill ourselves some Palestinians." Everybody knows that Palestine is a Hamas stronghold and that any terrorist groups in the middle east get their money and weapons from Hamas by way of iran and other countries that hate the USA. And that is most of them.
If his tax plan scares you, check out his Global Poverty Act. Link inside.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56405
Not true, check your facts and, in fact,
all I want to do is put them all in a bus and drive them back to where they came from.
False. Check out info for facts first.
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You should check your facts before you post - see link
Anyone looking for Barack Obama's real sentiments about whites, blacks and Muslims won't find them in this scurrilous collection of falsified, doctored and context-free "quotations." The e-mail claims to feature words taken from Obama's books, "The Audacity of Hope" (2006) and "Dreams from My Father" (1995, republished in 2004). But we found that two of the quotes are false, and others have been manipulated or taken out of context.
We have received many inquiries about this from readers whose suspicions were aroused, with good reason. Aside from the fact that the e-mail incorrectly cites the title of Obama's book as "Dreams of My Father," rather than "Dreams from My Father," you may have noticed that none of the quotes in this e-mail contain page references. This should be a sign to any reader that the author is trying to pull a fast one, betting that you won't take the time to read through all 806 pages of Obama's books to get to the facts.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html
You need to check your facts, dear heart.
Abortion is not a Christian issue. It is a humanity issue. So...
If you have personal bitterness over being molested by a priest, or if (more likely) you just like to jeer and flap around in a desperate attempt to put people off of religion because you have personally chosen to reject it, GET OVER IT.
Were your foolish comments meant to hurt my iddie biddie feewings? You failed. Miserably. You obviously have not even a minescule glimmer of a glimps of an idea about what 'the idea of christianity' is.
Oh, and by the way, I was adopted at the age of 6 moths.
And I have 5 adopted children.
Your comments like 'a large majority grow up bouncing around ... yadda ... yadda' show your glaring ignorance of the true situation.
Are you living on Romania or Bangladesh or something? Or are you just living in the State of Delusion? The need/want for adoptable babies OVERWHELMINGLY OUTNUMBERS the availability.
As an adoption advocate at my church, I fly to Russia twice a year to help desperate AMERICAN couples find children because THEY CANNOT find them in America.
Because irresponsible, shallow-mined, self-serving women choose to DISMEMBER their infants rather than let someone else have them. It's selfish. It's abhorrent. And it's wrong.
Too bad if that makes you uncomfortable. I could care less if you are offended by the truth. Even Jesus called a fool a fool. He had righteous indignation when it was required of Him.
Please, please tell me where all these orphanges and halfway houses full of unwanted babies are. I have a 17-page list of adoptive families desperately searching for them.
Well? I'm waiting...
Gov Palin....On the issues...see inside
(that I lifted from another site...hehe) If posted already, please forgive me, but I found these very informative (not through going through them though....)
Some links to sites that have information on Sarah Palin's stance on various issues:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm
http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/2007/02/palin-on-issues.html
http://www.wnbc.com/politics/17334530/detail.html
Are you referring to McCain and Palin inside
he going to go in that poor child's home every day and tell their momma to get her butt home from the whorehouse and the bar and take care of her children? He gonna tell their daddy to get off his sorry lazy butt and take care of his children and stop knocking up every girl he can?
Report clears Palin - link inside
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D947PVBG0&show_article=1
I would believe Nancy Pelosi before a biased reporter who is Republican, sounds like Palin, no facts
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You have to check and double check every single thing they say. They're not capable of telling t
truth about anything. It's getting very boring and tedious to read their crap. Why won't they stay on their own board like they tell us to do?
Facts are facts - sorry you don't like it cos it doesn't support your candidate
You can't change facts. That's what makes them facts. You may not like it but that's the way it is.
Facts are facts. No bash intended.
It will be this stellar record from which voters will be assessing her and her running mate.
If you're offended, too bad. Facts are facts...
I know Muslims in this country who have turned from the hateful evil beliefs that were forced down their throats. They did not have the freedom to learn anything else growing up. But after they gained their freedom and came here, they were able to receive the Word of God and they have told me that NEVER were they taught anything about loving others, just other Muslims, and that the God they learned about spoke of nothing but killing and hate... so if Obama is receiving large donations from those middle eastern countries, as you say, and he is grounded in Muslim culture, being taught this in school for years as a child, do you honestly think he doesn't carry some of those beliefs with him? He's never denounced it.
Here ya go.........
http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm
stating facts folks, just the facts....if it's getting
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Folks want facts, you give'm facts and still
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This poster wants facts, facts, facts...
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Poster wants facts, facts, facts.....
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Again I say...they O lovers DON'T like
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Why don't you come up with something besides "O lovers"?
really annoying.
What's with the O lovers anyway?
Obama represents to democrats an upstanding individual who we believe will be able to bring about a more efficient government and restore credibility to the nation (among other things). We hope this can be accomplished. However, when even the slightest hint of a rumor comes along (nevermind the source), you guys are all over it acting like it's true before any facts at all have surfaced. Because dems defend against this constant tirade of rabid pubs, we are automatically called O worshipers? Actually, in this case we were called O worshipers in the original post...LOL.
I guess that would make you guys Fox News worshipers. HAIL TO THE BIG O'REILLY! -- you know he's selling door mats on his show now...ROFL...can't wait to get that big ticket item. NOT.
For any and all animal lovers. sm
I am a member of Defenders of Wildlife. This is a copy of an e-mail to that I was sent about Palin and the wolf hunting. The link on the bottom is the link to the TV commercial that members donated for to be shown. I am not sure where all it will be shown but in case it isn't in your area you might want to check it out. It makes me sad watching it as I love all animals, never wear leather or fur and am vegan.
Hi,
Have you ever heard of aerial hunting? It's a brutal practice. Wolves are shot from low-flying aircraft or chased to exhaustion, then killed at point-blank range.
Governor Sarah Palin, the Republican nominee for Vice President, promotes this barbaric practice, exploiting a loophole in the Federal Airborne Hunting Act to allow private wolf killers to shoot down wolves using aircraft. To encourage the killing, she even proposed a $150 bounty for the left foreleg of each dead wolf!
We have to get the word out about this! Please watch this powerful new television ad by Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund, and then share it with every wildlife lover you know:
http://actionfund.defenders.org/palintvwolf
Oh Obama lovers....it just keeps getting
This just coming out.........former Obama staffer (while working with Obama) now coming out that he sat in a meeting with an Islamic organization in Virginia back in September, in which Mr. Asbahi was present, Obama's liason. Now that man alone has a very close relationship with Islamic organizations and it just keeps getting deeper. This Islamic organization has ties with terrorists organizations to include CAIR who was also listed as a coconspirator in terror related groups.
It just keeps getting more interesting. For those that doesn't know who Asbahi is, you need to keep your eyes wide open. Obama is knee deep involved with Muslim and Islamic organizations, even though he has made a point of using his liasons, who are mostly Muslim, to do so now that he is running for President.
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3557
Believe me, the O lovers on here hate that
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Exactly!! Most O lovers in a delusional
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I think that's what O lovers are afraid of....
Of course she doesn't have the power to single handedly divide the country. She says what she believes and she is either liked or not. Some agree, some do not. I couldnt' care less what she wears or all this other nit picky garbage the O lovers have resorted to out of desperation.
A true sign of desperation is pulling out such ridiculous notions and accusations and worrying about her wardrobe. Who cares? At least her money isn't coming from terrorist organizations to help her fund her wardrobe, campaign, or anything else for that matter.
Too bad O lovers don't care where his funds are coming from. They are afraid to find out because the truth "won't set them free".
Wonder what these Obama lovers will do once he
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Aw, according to the O lovers on this board
that math doesn't equal either. That's why I didn't put Ayers and the rest in the mix. There's enough between the Blago's and Rezko to equal the O.
The post with reading the other document....I saved it and hopefully I'll have time tomorrow to read the whole thing (49 pages!).
I just have to find the time to do all I need to do with Christmas coming up. I'm about stretched to the limit now.
No, you're just in a sea of O lovers ......
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And before the O lovers say it ain't so.... remember
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That's like starting a forum for pet lovers
And then saying they can only talk about pets they don't have any more, not their current ones! Or a car enthusiasts forum where people can only speak of vehicles they used to own, not what they currently drive.
What's the point in this forum, then, to only talk about the future or the past, not the present? How ridiculous!
Obama lovers do not care
They want Obama in office even if he has to buy his way in there and buy votes to boot. They know about the voter fraud going on but do not want to hear about it. They know their candidate is paying a corrupt racist organization that has already had indicted members to buy his votes into office.
You won't get a response.....O lovers hate
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Don't expect any answers from O lovers on this
If Obama hasn't told them, they wouldn't know....they need him to think for them. He won't even give the amount needed to run his social programs, let alone all the other pie in the sky stuff he wants to do, stuff they do in socialist countries where everyone pays through the nose more than us and the government takes care of all of them, like Obama wants to do, take care of all of us while he screws us all over.
Most of those "plans" he has would put so many businesses out of business it is scary to even think about it. All this stuff he wants mandated...well, if small businesses have to enact that garbage, they will go under. Not the rich! The very middle-class he seems to have convinced this O lovers on this board he wants to take care of.
But Obama lovers don't want to talk about the
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Oh those O lovers can't read between the lines
right to the slaughter. He has changed his policies several times. He sways with the wind and gets his advisors to revamp "his" policies every time the wind changes direction. Which is why all those that believe those numbers mean anything, are fooling themselves.
You can't 3.5+ trillion dollars worth of government increase by Obama with those small little amounts the O lovers keep reciting on this board. They're making your case and too dumb to know it.
If it's ONLY a few more dollars, how do they think he can pay 3.5 trillion dollars in government increases with that?
For all those O lovers who jumped on the plumber
Obama stated today, while trying to turn the plumber thing back towards McCain as if he NEVER said "spread the wealth" this.......
"How many of you know a plumber that makes half a million dollars?". McCain never said that, Obama did. Obama told the plumber that the business he was looking at buying which may or may not make 250K would be taxed to "spread the wealth" around. Boy, he's desperate now.
Now for all those O lovers who have had such a hatred all of a sudden of a "rich" plumber, how ya gonna back peddle on that one? You and Obama need to get on the same page...... now even Obama says a plumber can't make 250K! What a joke he is.
Still waiting for those O lovers to refute any of this
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narrow minded? yup that is the O lovers
P.S. - last time someone was called stupid they were banned.
You don't like what I have to say fine. Maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself. No need to be rude - oh wait! Your an O lover. Guess you do feel you have the right to be rude.
As Ben Franklin said, which fits perfectly about your post, .... "Better to keep silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt".
Exactly! ..and ignorance is bliss to those O lovers
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Oh, but it IS funny! You just dont get it. O lovers
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