Time to find another mantra. McCain has
Posted By: defennded Obama's decency. sm on 2008-10-11
In Reply to: Yeah, Rev Wright does not matter, Rezko does not - matter, ACORN doesnt matter -denial.nm
Time to take that broken record off the turntable and start singing another tune. You guys are looking more and more idiotic each time you drag out these impotent attacks. How long is it going to take you to realize how much harm you are doing TO YOUR OWN CANDIDATE. You have Obama looking more presidential than ever and McCain is coming off as a candidate who cannot even control his own campaign and is out of synch with his own supporters. The very least they need to do in the next 24 days is to try to stay on the same page with their candidate. After all, he has sent a clear signal that his own HUMANITY will not allow him to tolerate the dirt you guys are trying to shovel...especially in view of those lovely death threats that keep showing up at the Palin rallies. Give it up. the tactic is bankrupt.
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Why don't you find something constructive to do with your time?
If you have such strong beliefs, why don't you do something constructive about it instead of bickering with anonymous people on a message board? Frankly, you are making me dizzy!
When you find the time, please explain it. (nm)
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There are other choices. I find Obama and McCain equally offensive, so I am voting for Ralph Nader.
Bob Barr might also be a good choice.
At one time I would have too, when McCain was...sm
a moderate republican. He has changed so much from what he used to be. It seems that CP thinks so too.
So that's why they ran McCain last time and might
McCain was certainly no southern evangelical, and Mormons are hardly southern evangelicals either. I doubt four people could tell you what church Michael Steele, the RNC chief, attends - if any.
I keep seeing these assertions, but they're always from the left. On my local precinct committee, I don't believe there's a single evangelical.
What's happening here is rather interesting - a confluence of two different liberal themes.
On the one hand, the left has mounted a concerted effort in recent years to drum up hatred or contempt of Christians throughout this society generally. Indeed, there is only ONE group of people in society who have no protection from blatant prejudice (of the very kind liberals claim to hate), and those are people who follow the Christian faith - either Protestant or Catholic.
Now, we have this attempt to paint the Republican party as one that is run by these people for whom we have ginned up the ignorant masses to hate.
Some might suspect that these two themes were being quite cleverly and carefully orchestrated together, and that their synergies are not mere coincidence. Personally, I don't know, but I couldn't prove them wrong.
So if McCain didn't vote 64% of the time
how can he vote with Bush 90% of the time? LOL! 
The Ǝ more years' mantra -
... is meant to do just that. Convince people that they don't need to know anything other than 'McCain=Bush.' But that's why you hear so little about the Global Poverty Act. It doesn't help Obama if you know all the details. Especially now, it may turn a lot of people off. We're grappling with our own financial crisis. Now is not the time to insist we shore up the economies of the entire Third World.
I hope everyone takes a deeper look into the actual policies of BOTH men. Not all 'change' is good change. I don't want to have anything to do with moving America toward socialism, where things like 'redistribution of wealth' such as the GPA proposes becomes a political priority.
Country First. If I can't afford to feed my own children, how am I expected to help feed someone else's?
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Is shoot the messenger the new mantra here.
You have no idea what my politics are. Do you know who Richard Cohen is? He is a very far left liberal columnist and he thought it was over the line. See, this is why no one, from anywhere, can have a discussion with people on this board. If someone doesn't agree with you, they are a *neocon* whatever the heck that is. I find that mindset disturbing. You are not worth arguing with. All you can do is label. Pathetic.
I knew it was a matter of time before we would hear from a McCain supporter
I guess you must figure if you use his middle name enough times people are going to think what? That he's Saddam reincarnated? You really do not give America enough credit to know a name does not make a person who they are, the goodness they do and what they believe in make them a good person. So...when you post about John McCain do you write John Sydney McCain? And do you write Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton? No. You don't even know what Hussein means. Here's a bit of background of the origin of his name. Barack means "To bless" and Hussein means "to be good". Both are beautiful names. I know exactly what you are trying to do. You believe that if you say his name enough times in full people will think of Saddam Hussain. But there are many more good people with the name. For instance...King Hussein of Jordan. The person who wrote the Kite Runner is Khaled Hossain and many more. In fact there are more good people named Hussein than are bad.
Hussein is a very common name in Bangladesh just like Smith or Jones. His middle name honors his grandfather. In case you don't realize this, he was born in America and raised in a Christian home, went to christian churches. To incite feelings of "fear" because his middle name is Hussein? Well just shows what kind of person you are.
Also, you didn't show the good things he has done working in government. And the stuff you did write I don't think a lot of people know what all this means. I read it and its just mumbo jumbo. If you want to talk about bad records and bad things people have done while in government, lets post about Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton. There's enough reading material to last a lifetime.
Republican Mantra - Scare Tactics
You better vote for John McCain or the Boogeyman is going to get us. McCain couldn't even keep himself free from the enemy, how is he going to keep the entire United States free from them? Oh, I know, he is going to send Sarah Palin after the Boogeyman...she'll protect us!
Change....I'm so sick and tired of that mantra.
Change into what? I'm sorry, but the only change that we will see with Barrack Obama in office is a bigger government with enough power to take away our liberty. Yes, people have already lost their jobs and they will continue to lose their jobs especially if Obama raises taxes on businesses. This promise of change and you all assume that it is a change for the good. Obama has done nothing but step on people and use radical associations to boost his political career.
And you know what....I hope to God that I am wrong about Barrack Obama because if I'm not.....we, including you, will be singing a different tune about Barrack Obama and it won't be a song about how great he is....that is unless he makes us sing a song about how great he is.
As for the gun thing....this is a legit concern. It may not be one of yours, but don't give people crap when they feel that it is. Every dictator takes away the weapons from the people so they have nothing to use in their defense. Look throughout history. How many times has a dictator come into power and the people praised him and thought he was great until he flipped the switch and took total control of everything.
This sharing the wealth...the pub mantra that escapes no one.
"collective ownership of resources" in Alaska (straight out of the moose's mouth)....that VERY different, too?
BTW, tax cuts, tax credits, progressive tax system is VERY American and not the least bit socialist. Letting tax cuts expire and tax rates return to their previous levels is hardly a radical policy. Rich folks have ALWAYS paid higher tax rates under the progressive tax order. Until that system is replaced, there is nothing unusual at all about the proposal to adjust the rate, or the candidate who is proposing to do it.
Run and hide if you like, but don't expect to pull the wool over anybody's eyes except the choir members whose votes are already in McC's pocket. This hypocrisy will not be escaping the undecided independents whose votes can make or break the pubs bid for the White House.
Executive experience media mantra no answer.
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More media mantra does not a valid point make.
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All I can hope is the Obama campaign picks up this mantra...
because if they do, they are toast and we won't have to do a thing. Do you honestly think there are no parents of pregnant teenagers out there who VOTE? Just keep on spreading this seething judgmental condemnation. Just keep on. It should be copied and pasted onto blogs...what Obama supporters will sink to. What a good idea.
I think I will start now.
find out. I find sam's posts to the point
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I couldn't find that one but I did find this
S.Amdt.4170: To protect families, family farms and small businessees by extending the income tax rate structure, raising the death tax exemption to $5 million and reducing the maximum death tax rate to no more than 35%; to keep education affordable extending the college tuition deduction; and to protect senior citizens from higher taxes on their retirement income, maintain U.S. financial market competitiveness, and promote economic growth by extending the lower tax rates on dividents and capital gains.
NAY: Biden and Obama YEA: McCalin
I.E., this is in the voting record in the public records. There are not too many voting records there for the O since he started his campaign and most of those he voted NAY or say Not Voting.
Well, then, please find me one that you find to be racist.
Why are you McCain people so desperate? You are just like McCain. No plan. Just criticism of the
other candidate. I guess you want the same old thing we have had for the past 8 years. God forbid McCain win with that wild woman, Palin.
Yep, but it was straight time. No time and a half
DHL is GERMAN OWNED. And, company was located on Snotsdale, I mean Scottsdale, AZ which means. Labor laws in Arizona suck. Right to work state. Basically a company can do whatever they want to do with you and if you do not like it, then quit and find another job.
Find it yourself...
I used to answer all of these posts requiring that I go back and find the names and dates and places of anything that I posted to prove what I was saying. What usually happened was that it would still be discounted for some reason or another as biased, meaningless or just untrue so I have stopped reresearching for the nonbelievers. I read papers. I watch news shows. I watch senate proceedings. David Gergen, Ed Gillespie, William Buckley, Susan Collins, Peter King, Bill Bennett are a few off the top of my head but if you need proof, you do the legwork. I assure you it is out there. C-SPAN is a good source. You can see and hear them in action.
You know what I find to be
OFF-THE-WALL mindboggling about the king's apologists/cultists is that they shriek about illegal immigration with *They're breaking the LAW!*....hmmm, so they don't hold their king to the standard they expect from noncitizens of this country? It's hard work drinking all that Kool-Aid!
Meanwhile, Cheney claims he hasn't seen the senate report re: no connection between Osama and Saddam, and Rice insists there WERE ties and it was all Tenet's fault. HUH?! So now I'm wondering, does this mean Tenet has to return his medal of freedom? After all, it's not like he said he was pressured to manufacture the intelligence to suit Bush and Co.
Took me a while to find this....
And Clinton is a serial rapist. So what is your point? sm
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Posted By: Brunson on 2006-05-03,
In Reply to: Hitchens is a public and private severe alcoholic - Mind
Everyone knows that Hitchens is an alcoholic. You are adding nothing to this conversation. Act like an adult or leave.
I cannot find it
but I have also seen a picture where Obama is standing on a platform with other people who are pledging allegiance to our beautiful flag with their hand over their hearts, and Obama is just standing there. This is the picture that really made me wonder what this guy is made of, where he is coming from, and where he wants to take us!
I find it odd.....
I find it odd that people won't follow the constitution written about 200 years ago by our founding fathers (people we know what they looked like). They say it's old and archaic and has no place in today's world - times have changed.
Yet...they will follow the bible word for word that was written around 1500 to 400 BC. - which by the way was written by men keeping in the parts they wanted to and not putting in other parts they didn't want to.
Where is the sanity?
why can't they find them?
They have to put the info into a computer somewhere? Why can't it just tell them that it is invalid - my local office was able to tell me within 24 hours that I was okay to vote this year.
Where did you find this?
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Once again, you only want to find something to
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Won't be able to find you and your ilk. You;ll be
living under the same rock you crawled out from under. Bye-Bye, sad Brad.
If you can't find them...well (sm)
you obviously have a problem already. Sources I've used include a direct link to the US Senate, factcheck.org (an organization that even Fox uses), going to bills/legistation directly....etc.
We can find these all day...
long, but until you actually look at McCain's voting record, posts like this (including the one below) are nothing but opinion.
http://vetsforobama.org/
The ones I find concerning:
AIDE TO IRAN'S AYATOLLAH ALI KHAMENEI, ALI AGHAMOHAMMADI
"The president-elect has promised changes in policies. There is a capacity for the improvement of ties between America and Iran if Obama pursues his campaign promises, including not confronting other countries as Bush did in Iraq and Afghanistan, and also concentrating on America's state matters and removing the American people's concerns."
In other words, sit down with us with no preconditions and let's powwow.
RUSSIAN DEPUTY FOREIGN MINISTER GRIGORY KARASIN
"The news we are receiving on the results of the American presidential election shows that everyone has the right to hope for a freshening of US approaches to all the most complex issues, including foreign policy and therefore relations with the Russian Federation as well."
In other words, come into my parlor said the spider to the fly...
The rest kind of backs up his citizen of the world mantra. Will wait and watch for how that plays out.
The one I find amusing:
SUDANESE FOREIGN MINISTRY SPOKESMAN ALI AL-SADIG
"We don't expect any change through our previous experience with the Democrats. When it comes to foreign policy there is no difference between the Republicans and the Democrats."
LOL
They won't find it. LOL (nm)
I always find that the most
vociferous against religion are the ones who are so afraid there is a God that when their time comes and their life is judged, they know what's coming, and feel guilty for the life they are leading.
I don't want to find out what comes after
trillion but if our government continues to spend the money, I fear we may find out the hard way. All I've heard about is how Bush doubled our deficit in 8 years. Well, Obama has been in office not even a full month and wants to add 1 trillion dollars to it....although he continues to say 800 billion in his charismatic speeches. I'm also so tired of the blame game. Obama himself made sure in his speech last night at the democratic retreat (which, BTW, taxpayers helped pay for, thanks O) to mention that government is a group of people throwing out ideas and it isn't one person dictating everything. Yet he continues to blame one person, Bush, for our crisis. This crisis has been a long time coming people and started before Bush, although he didn't help either. I blame government as a whole and I intend to hold both dems and pubs feet to the fire and since the dems are currently in control......they are most definitely getting more criticism from me because they are in charge at this point. Doesn't mean I'm not keeping an eye on the pubs too cuz Lord knows there are crooks in both parties.
Find it For Yourself
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what I did find out
Each province administers their own so perhaps what I said in jest is actually true. Montreal has figured out something Ontario has not. It seems some provinces have got this down pat, no long waits, no refusal of particular cares, etc., etc., etc., and their residents are extremely satisfied. Costs are quite low, can be as low as $98 per month for a family of four, which covers basically everything except prescriptions. Not to worry, however, as prescription costs are much lower in Canada. Plus most employers cover the full cost for their employees (not the prescriptions but the insurance). All the things we hear of as awful are just not true - in some provinces. However, in other provinces they are true - long waits, no care, etc., etc., etc. If we could but have the good parts of their plan!
Does anyone else find it
interesting that Obama ridiculed McCann for taxing healthcare benefits during his campaign and yet that is now something on the table Obama is considering to help fund his healthcare reform. Funny how something that was once ridiculous to him is now something okay to do and how dare we question him.
Once again.....why aren't democrats holding Obama's feet to the fire here? Lie after lie and broken promise after broken promise. If anyone from any other party flip flopped and lied like this....you guys would crucify him/her. What gives?
Okay, now that I know where to find it...
has anyone read this crap? I'm about 100 pages in and none of it sounds good yet.
Have I just not gone far enough to get to the good part?
Where did gt do that? Show me please because I can't find it.
I find it hard to believe you don't see it.
Couldn't find it.
All I could find on that board was complaining and whining about liberals and how they're all terrible and godless, etc., etc. 'Nuff said. 
I I find it difficult to take anything that ..
O'Reilly says to heart. His demeanor is the true definition of a blowhard bully. I tend to tune out when people are screaming at me or really dishing out the hate stuff. Having said that, I do not believe that the Marine thing is about **good** or **bad** apples. War is an unnatural state. War without end is even worse. I don't know any details - none of us do - but in a setting where soldiers are deployed and redeployed and redeployed over and over in a hostile tribal environment where they do not know who is friend or foe, this tragedy does not come as a surprise. I certainly don't condone this, no one would, but I understand how it could happen and I believe that if it did happen that those involved are not necessarily **bad apples.** Everyone keeps saying that 99.9% of the military are exemplary soldiers. I am not so sure that those involved are not as well. Gross mismanagement of the troops, a complete lack of understanding of the tribal nature of Iraq, in other words, a failure from the Pentagon on down would be the culprit in my opinion. These are the people who should be held accountable but that, of course, will not happen. A few very low-on-the-totem-pole soldiers will be the scapegoats in this and generals and civil service Pentagon folks will just walk away. I am still waiting for the dogs from Abu Ghraib to be indicted. That is just about how inept and ridiculous the management of the war has been. As far as Murtha goes...I believe he truly believes what he says and is extremely concerned about the troops themselves, the real people fighting on the real ground in real Iraq. I think he speaks from his heart and could care less about payback or whatever. I think that he is frustrated and angry and feeling helpless as many of us are over a situation that has good outcome possible.
Where did you find this story? sm
I can't find anything anywhere on this. Thank you!
If they can find the right spin they will..sm
But they have to be careful how the approach active duty soldiers you know. Especially since they have spent the last 3 years saying liberals were not supporting the troops.
Encouraging? How anyone could find any...
of this encouraging...sigh.
I just find it amusing .....
that the same kind of journalism, as long as it puts forward liberal junk as opposed to conservative junk, the site is fine. As I explained in a later post, I do not read Front Page and did not "check it out" to see which way it leaned, as I already knew the facts. That was the first site I saw who printed the facts. I posted from there because it covered the topic of the thread. When Taiga complained, I went and copied the same thing from Common Dreams, an extremely liberal page. My point is, if something is factual, it does not matter which side of the political fence prints it. Some of you are just so fast to pile on because of the site something comes from, without even bothering to check the facts before assuming if it is on a "conservative" site it has to be a lie. What is up with that anyway?
Help me find what you refer to...
I am trying to figure you what you meant by Beyond Belief. I went to the website and searched under Berlin speech but nothing came up. I am interested to know what you are trying to say. What did you read that gave you this reaction?
You don't find it the least bit distasteful....
that they are making a 68 million dollar profit killing babies? Well of course not...what am I thinking. If slicing and dicing babies, sucking their brains out with needles, and if that doesn't work, just put them in the dirty laundry room until they go ahead and die, little annoyances that they are...why should you care if there is a $68 million dollar profit involved?? Sheesh.
You are about to find out, in the above post
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