Thought you were keeping a tally... nm
Posted By: Adeline on 2008-10-18
In Reply to: "Stop hating and pay attention" - Chele
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Here's a tally. sm
Just on the conservative board that is showing right now:
19 posts by anonymous or initialed leftist posters
America Lover 2 posts plus an article by Michael Moore (remember how horrified you were when someone posted conservative articles here)
Gadfly 4 posts
Sarah 5 posts
Libby 7 posts
Becca 1 post
LMAO 10 posts
Sue 1 post
I would hardly call this nothing. 49 posts on one page on the conservative board made by liberals. And recently, as well.
See tally above. nm
never say cinch till the final tally is in!
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Nanaw, Tally, Peg your info is all wrong
Do your research somewhere other than Fox news. Otherwise you come across very ignorant. Maybe when Obama becomes pres, you can go to college on one of his plans and become somewhat educated. Until then, I will try to understand that you are subpar in the intelligence dept.
Hi Naunaw/Chele, where's the tally? u r so jealous
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Keeping God out of it is your right
Me? I prefer to be on the winning side.
Who was keeping us safe before
9/11? So tired of hearing this crap. This was the first time ever (not this present president on watch) that the US was attacked on its own land and yet you talk about since 9/11. Why not even before then?? I think the attitude of most on here sucks. All chicken littles, scared. booooooo. See, made you jump.
Thanks for keeping the facts straight - NM
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Having a hard time keeping up.
The numbers of Iraqi deaths that is. Today, 93 Shi'ite pilgrims were killed and 147 injured in a suicide bombing in Hilla. Two bombings in Baghdad killing 18 to 20 and I don't know how many injured, 9 American soldiers killed on this one day. This is all just so wrong, all of it, and the numbers just keep on climbing.
anybody would be dog tired with the schedules they were keeping then! nm
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actually he says he will tax credit them for keeping jobs here... nm
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He's keeping his campaign of "change" - that's for sure
Change? Yeah he keeps changing his mind. I've been saying it all along with others that there is no way he can do everything he wants to and spend, spend, spend without taxing us. This is coming right out of the democrats mouth, 250, 200, 150, and now 120. It keeps going lower and lower.
Sure he wants you to go out and vote early. He keeps pushing it as hard as he can because as each hour goes by we keep learning what more of a "sleeze-bag" he really is and the truth is coming out.
Why do people want someone with his character and already the blatant lies he puts out. Have people taken a break from reality? Do people want to live in socialism and fear?
You are definitely not offending us. These fears you express are so much like mine and many others while.
As far as I'm concerned he is NOT NOT NOT eligible to be president. He has not passed the #1 criteria. "American-born citizen". If he wins it will be a stolen election and illegal and lets just see how many people who believe in the constition will be happy about that.
So what! - How about keeping your mind on what is happening now
And if you want to start prosecuting Clinton better be right at the top.
That time has passed. Obama better not decide that there is a right time to prosecute anyone. If so Clinton and himself should go down the tubes along with the rest of them.
This is now old news. Lets stick to the problems we are facing currently. There is enough to keep our minds busy for the duration of the term (4 years - well actually 3 and 1/2 now).
We don't need this type of distraction. That is where there is American Idol an Survivor - keeps poeple dumbed down.
Keeping the glass half full SM
isn't about any of the things you name. It comes from inside, a peace of spirit and soul. It needs no outside influence except, in my case, my love for God and his for me. My glass has always been half full. And it always will be because He is with me always.
Last minute house keeping by Bush & Co.
It’s something of a tradition– administrations using their final weeks in power to ram through a slew of federal regulations. With the election grabbing the headlines, outgoing federal bureaucrats quietly propose and finalize rules that can affect the health and safety of millions.
The Bush administration has followed this tradition and expanded it. Up to 90 proposed regulations could be finalized before President George W. Bush leaves office Jan. 20. If adopted, these rules could weaken workplace safety protections, allow local police to spy in the “war on terror” and make it easier for federal agencies to ignore the Endangered Species Act.
What’s more, the administration has accelerated the rule-making process to ensure that the changes it wants will be finalized by Nov. 22.
That’s a key date, Nov. 22. It is 60 days before the next administration takes control — and most federal rules go into effect 60 days after they have been finalized. It would be a major bureaucratic undertaking for the Obama administration to reverse federal rules already in effect.
“The Bush administration has thought through last-minute regulations much more than past administrations,” said Rick Melberth, director of OMB Watch, a nonprofit group that tracks federal regulations. “They’ve said, ‘Let’s not only get them finalized; let’s get them in effect.’”
So what are the new rules?
The Washington Independent has highlighted five regulations notable for their potential effect and the way they slipped through the regulatory process. Four could to be finalized by Nov. 22. One was already — on Election Day.
1) The Dept. of Labor proposed a regulation Aug. 30 that changes how workplace safety standards are met. Labor experts contend that the administration, which previously issued only one new workplace safety standard and that under court order, is trying to make it a bureaucratic nightmare for future administrations to make workplace safety rules.
Here’s what it would do:
Currently, if the Occupational Safety and Health Admin. or the Mine Health and Safety Admin. want to introduce a new safety standard on, say, the level of exposure to toxic chemicals, it issues what is called a notice of proposed rule-making. This notice is published in the Federal Register and then debated by labor, business and relevant federal agencies.
The new regulation would add an “advanced notice of proposed rule-making,” meaning OSHA and MSHA would have prove that, say, the said chemical was seriously harming workers.
This would open the door for industry to challenge the validity of the risk assessment and then, if necessary, the actual safety standard that may come from that risk assessment.
“The purpose of this sort of rule is to require agencies to spend more time on a regulation which gives them less of a chance to actually regulate,” said David Michaels, a professor of workplace safety at George Washington University, “You’re adding at least a year, maybe two years, to the process.”
The regulation has not been finalized.
2) The administration proposed a rule that changes the employer-employee relationship laid out in the 1993 Family and Medical Leave Act.
Here’s what it would do:
The Family and Medical Leave Act says that employers must give their workers 12 weeks of unpaid leave if they are sick or need to take care of a family member or newborn. The employer’s health-care staff can check the legitimacy of the family or medical leave claim with the employee’s doctor or health-care provider.
The proposed regulation would allow the employer to directly speak with the employee’s doctor or health-care provider. The employer could also ask employees to provide more medical documentation of their conditions.
Why such a rule — which may threaten an employee’s privacy– is needed is unclear. The only study the Labor Dept. has done on the act was in 2000. The department collected comments from employers before issuing the proposed regulation, but a report analyzing the comments was never issued.
The regulation also would gives employees the right to waive their rights under the Family and Medical Leave Act, making it the first national labor law to be optional. A worker, for instance, cannot waive his right to earn a minimum wage or get paid more for overtime.
The regulation was finalized on Election Day.
3) The Dept. of Health and Human Services proposed a rule Sept. 26 that would expand the reasons that physicians or health care entities could decline to provide any procedure to include moral and religious grounds. The language of the regulation says the department hopes to correct “an attitude toward the health-care profession that health-care professionals and institutions should be required to provide or assist in the provision of medicine or procedures to which they object, or else risk being subjected to discrimination.”
Here’s what it would do:
The rule change seems to apply to abortion. But they are already several rules that say physicians or health-care entities can deny an abortion request. Some women’s health advocates contend that the proposed regulation’s broad language is meant to increase the number of physicians who not only don’t provide abortions but don’t provide contraception.
“Contraception is certainly the target of this rule,” contends Marylin Keefe, director for Reproductive Health at the National Partnership for Women and Families. “The moral and religious objections of health-care workers are now starting to take precedence over patients.”
The regulation is notable for another reason. A rule involving an employee’s religious rights must be referred to the Equal Employment and Opportunity Commission, yet the commission was never told of this proposed regulation.
A bureaucratic battled erupted when EEOC’s legal counsel, Reed Russell, wrote a regulation comment (pdf) blasting both the substance of the proposed rule and its disregard for the rule-making process.
The regulation has not been finalized.
4) On July 31, the Justice Dept. proposed a regulation that would allow state and local law enforcement agencies to collect “intelligence” information on individuals and organizations even if the information is unrelated to a criminal matter.
“This is a continuum that started back on 9/11 to reform law enforcement and the intelligence community to focus on the terrorism threat,” said Bush homeland security adviser Kenneth L. Wainstein in a statement.
Critics say it could infringe on civil liberties.
Here’s what it would do:
“It expands local law enforcement’s ability to investigate criminal activity that it deems suspicious,” said Melberth of OMB Watch. “But what’s suspicious to you may not be suspicious to me. They could be investigating community organizations they think are two or three steps away from a terrorist group.”
The regulation has not been finalized.
5) Before a federal agency approves any construction project– anything from building a dam to a post office — government officials must consult the Fish and Wildlife Service and the National Marine Fisheries Service. These two agencies enforce the Endangered Species Act, and they can veto any project that adversely affects an animal on the endangered species list.
Here’s what it would do:
A regulation proposed by the Interior Dept. Aug. 12 would end this approval process. “It destroys a system of checks and balances that have been in place for two decades,” claimed Bob Davison, senior scientist at Defenders of the Wildlife. “[A federal agency] wants to go forward with a project that [it wants] to do. So you need an independent agency to look at the decision.”
Davison is not the only conservation advocate up in arms. The Interior Dept. has received 200,000 public comments, which may affect the final rule.
Or not — the department shortened the comment period from 60 to 30 days in its effort to get the regulation finalized.
In May, White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten vowed that the administration would propose no regulations after June 1. He and White House spokesman Tony Fratto have repeatedly stated their contempt for what they call “midnight regulations.”
Yet with the exception of the Family and Medical Leave changes, each of these regulations were proposed after June 1. And if finalized, they will effect worker’s safety, women’s health-care choices, local police powers and endangered species.
“It was a pretty resounding election,” said Keefe of the National Partnership for Women and Families. “But this administration acts like it still has a mandate.”
Obama is calling for keeping troops in Iraq....
for how long he does not say, but that we need MORE in Afghanistan. He does not differ from McCain on that stance. Diplomacy does not work with terrorists (the Taliban were in charge there when bid Laden was parading around in the open after 9-11). Taliban = terrorists. With all due respect...you cannot negotiate with terrorists. Do you remember the horrific images of 9-11? I do. Of the Khobar Towers bombing? I do. The first World Trade Center bombing? I do... the bombing of the marine barracks in beirut? I sure remember those images.
My goodness. O witch hunt sure is keeping you busy.
It is in its 3rd day. No comments on the discussions regarding party revamp? How about today's agenda? Keep your eye on Jindel. He did a great job in Louisiana with disaster mgmt...and GOP will be neding plenty of that in the 2008 election aftermath. Seriously, as a left-wing commie Marxist terrorist unAmerican anti-patriot, he has GOP leadership written all over him. Mayb you should take a hate break and take a look at him.
Keeping information quiet because we worry about the pirates??????
That never stopped the MSM from giving out troop movements, information etc during the height of the Iraqi war did it? What about the "embedded" journalists over there. And I use the word journalist loosely.
So how did the Cheney comment fit in except to say that Obama was not keeping us safe from this flu?
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Thank you, President Bush, for your service and especially for keeping us safe at home. nm
It's just too easy -- the idea that keeping American jobs in America actually helping the economy
Nope, let's spend a few million and buy new furniture for homeland security and a few million more to buy hybrids for congress.
Can they not deduce that keeping corporate America from offshoring jobs will actually create more jobs, thereby lower the unemployment rate, and put more money in American's pocket for them to spend? Cut all tax cuts given to companies for offshoring and give the tax cuts to companies to strive to keep jobs in America?
And here's another V8 moment -- how about we buy American? Maybe increase tariffs on imported goods to discourage American companies from importing so much crapy and thereby necessitating said crap be sold at higher prices in an effort to discourage Americans from buying imports?
The ONLY way to help the American economy is to employ Americans and buy American! It's that simple!
I just thought it might be nice to hear an original thought. sm
I guess I was reaching.
Original pledge by forefathers didn't include God. I agree with keeping the original.
http://www.usflag.org/history/pledgeofallegiance.html
The original Pledge of Allegiance
I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands- one nation indivisible-with liberty and justice for all.
On September 8,1892, the Boston based The Youth's Companion magazine published a few words for students to repeat on Columbus Day that year. Written by Francis Bellamy,the circulation manager and native of Rome, New York, and reprinted on thousands of leaflets, was sent out to public schools across the country. On October 12, 1892, the quadricentennial of Columbus' arrival, more than 12 million children recited the Pledge of Allegiance, thus beginning a required school-day ritual.
At the first National Flag Conference in Washington D.C., on June14, 1923, a change was made. For clarity, the words the Flag of the United States replaced my flag. In the following years various other changes were suggested but were never formally adopted.
It was not until 1942 that Congress officially recognized the Pledge of Allegiance. One year later, in June 1943, the Supreme Court ruled that school children could not be forced to recite it. In fact,today only half of our fifty states have laws that encourage the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in the classroom!
In June of 1954 an amendment was made to add the words under God. Then-President Dwight D. Eisenhower said In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource in peace and war.
Thought this was good so I thought I'd share
Down the drain? Beware of Obama's plan to 'spread the wealth around'
By Betsy Newmark
High School History and Government Teacher/Blogger
If the McCain campaign can’t use this Obama quote to raise doubts about his attitude towards wealth and success, then they deserve the shellacking they seem headed for.
“Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?” the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed “more and more for fulfilling the American dream.”
“It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too,” Obama responded. “My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
Plumbers of the country, unite! Forget about the work and effort you put into building up a business or the scummy work that you do that many of us don’t know or don’t want to do. If you have succeeded, you should be willing to give up more of what you earn to help those who haven’t had the great good luck that you have had to be a successful plumber. Remember how Obama is going to give 95% of all of us a tax cut even though over 30% of the population doesn’t pay taxes?
He might call it a tax credit, but what he’s really doing is his vision of “spreading the wealth around.” It sounds a lot like Huey Long’s 1935 plan to “Share the Wealth.” And when he finds that he can’t tax the top 5% of the population to gain enough wealth to spread to the 95% of the rest of us, do you really think that he’ll stop with that 5%?
Remember…This is the guy who said in the ABC debate during the primary season that his approach to raising tax on capital gains is not based on whether it would provide more revenue but on his idea of what is fair:
GIBSON: All right. You have, however, said you would favor an increase in the capital gains tax. As a matter of fact, you said on CNBC, and I quote, “I certainly would not go above what existed under Bill Clinton,” which was 28 percent. It’s now 15 percent. That’s almost a doubling, if you went to 28 percent.
But actually, Bill Clinton, in 1997, signed legislation that dropped the capital gains tax to 20 percent.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: And George Bush has taken it down to 15 percent.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased; the government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down.
So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?
OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I’ve said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.
Just what we need in these fragile economic times — a guy who wants to raise taxes because he thinks it’s a matter of “fairness” and time to “spread the wealth around.”
That will be some incentive for other plumbers who want to work hard and build up a successful business.
But don’t worry - according to Joe Biden, it’s the patriotic thing to do.
Haha! I thought I was the only one who thought he looked
I told you what I thought he thought....
and thank you so much for reducing it to "a piece."
That being said, here is link to article from Wall Street Journal about both candidates and outsourcing...Obama is not going to stop it either. He has said on the stump the answer is more highly educated American workers to compete.
It seems to me, and although you may think this is also a "piece," that if you put our corporate tax rates lower, if that corporation is inclined to hire Americans and not outsource then they will do so.
You honestly think the majority of corporations just WANT to outsource and taxes don't matter?
I thought I was alone.
So refreshing to have someone on this board that can actually think for themselves. I have such vivid memories of my dad dressing up in his class A's to go to war, and coming into my room crying at 4:00 a.m. in the morning to say goodbye, not knowing if we would ever see one another again. Thankfully, he did 1 tour in Korea before I was born, two tours in VN, and we lived on an Army base 25 miles from the Berlin wall when I was 6 years old. If there was ever an american girl, it is me and my brother. That "american girl" posting on here all the time, if she had to earn her FFFF freedom she would learn to keep her mouth shut.
Same thought here
It seems like one of first major priorities would be to ensure fair voting practices. I'm very worried about the accuracy of computerized voting and possible tampering.
I thought you were new here?sm
People are somewhat like-minded here, but I see distinct posting styles here. I am a conservative (ex-Republican), but I do not post on their board; their ideology does not reflect my beliefs. I have never once been bashed by liberals, even if they do not agree with me.
Just a thought....
Before too long the number of Iraq War troop deaths will be as high as the ones here on 9/11. And all for what? So sad.
You know what I thought when I saw it?
I thought it was posted by someone from the rabid right, so they could come back and respond to their very own post and blame the liberals because people post things like this. LoL!
I thought he was
putting his money where his mouth is. He has donated a large amount of his personal funds to this project, as well as fundraising efforts A lot of celebs just talk, Brad is actually doing something. Why does he have to live in the 9th ward to help.
I sponsor kids on the Salvation Army Angel Tree. Should I have to live with them to help them?
Gimme a break!
Never thought of it this way
You brought some good thoughts to mind. I definitely agree with you.
I know it's not very PC, but I'm sure the thought has
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Another Thought
If Sara Palin came on the scene as an Independent and ran against McCain & Obama, think how that could've changed things!
As a conservative, I'm thrilled to see someone who knows how to play ball with the big boys. Funny how the feminists want all this equal rights stuff, then shoot this lady down before they really know anything about her.
I wonder how upset Hillary's supporters are over this. Time will tell, not just polls.
It should be interesting what history reveals in the end. Either way, this race will go down in the books as a first. That in itself is interesting.
Okay, that's what I thought lol
Two late nights in a row for me...thank GOD it's Friday! :)
I thought so............
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Just a thought about this.
Since I only heard a snippet of this so far, the governor was trying to have others pay him to appoint them to take the O's senate seat?
If so (and don't bash, I'm asking a very serious question here), could this be how the O came up so quick? He paid for his senate seat?
The gov doesn't look like he thinks he did anything wrong. He's kinda young looking too. Could it be because Illinois has always had corruption like this? Gee, I think I'll go to Illinois and run for senator. LOL
Nobody thought that
Patriotism shouldn't be an issue, because there should be NO question whether a candidate for president is loyal to this country. The fact that there IS a question should scare people a lot more than it apparently does.
Do tell. I thought she did too. nm
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I thought that was odd too
I was trying to figure out the strategy was with that. Maybe it was to convey that McCain thinks Obama is so inferior to him, he can't even bother looking at him? I don't know. They were supposed to be debating each other, and I wanted some more interaction.
I kept waiting for him to look Obama in the eye and say you are wrong. Even Bush looked in Putin's eyes and saw his soul or whatever.
I thought I was the only one who thought
as you do. I've been pulling $ out of my savings every month to pay the bills that my paychecks do not. I work longer and longer hours, for less and less money.
I, too, am 100% against this so-called 'bailout'. WHO, exactly, are they bailing out? I would actually LIKE to see the 'train-wreck'. I WANT to see Wall Street crash and all of the banks fail. I don't have any money in them anyway... it all gets spent on month-to-month survival.
I already know how to get by on next-to-nothing. So it would be just EVER-SO-ENTERTAINING if we could sit back and watch all this high-flyin' corporate con-men lose their shirts and have to learn to live on nothing, as well.
The best thing about allowing things to just take their own course, instead of falsely propping it all up with the crutch of a federal bailout, is that maybe, just MAYBE, if the whole system had to be re-built from the ground up, maybe they might do a better job this time around.
So, fire those locomotives up, and point those suckers right at each other! Train-wreck! YEAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
okay , that's what I thought, so why --
why does everybody say that Obama wants socialized medicine then? That is not what I read. My take on Obama's plan is that he wants insurance available for everyone but that most people will still be insured through their employers, but the government will have insurance plans for those who do not get it through their employer. That is not socialized medicine to me, that is just providing insurance coverage for people who need it.
Just another thought
You say you want someone with experience. Then the obvious choice is John McCain if you want business as usual, dishonesty, immorality, everything that is wrong with our government. Give me a candidate who is moral, honest and has integrity and that's the candidate I want. THAT could and would change the government that has almost already destroyed America as we know it. Sara Palin's inexperience is absolutely NOT what I have against her. If she had the other qualities, which I don't believe she does, I would vote for her although I think she might consider gettingt busy studying as even I knew the name of the General in Afghanastan. More "experience" in Washington D.C. is exactly what we DO NOT need.
Another thought s/m
While I'm on a housecleaning campaign, the only woman I find more distasteful than Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton is Nancy Pelosi. She had her friends need to GO.
STILL VOTING A WRITE-IN VOTE FOR LOU DOBBS!!!! and T. Boone Pickens.
I thought about it some more and
here's what I think: IF Obama is elected, then look out for the White Supremists, a dispicable group, IMHO, right up there with the KKK. Now........how racist am I? I hate these racist issues no matter what color they come from. We are ALL God's children, yellow, red, black and white, we are precious in his sight. So why can't the Black Power AND the White Supremsts let it go already????? Why can't we be just AMERICANS, not African-Americans, not Vietnamese-Americans, not Irish-Americans, not Chinese-Americans.......just AMERICANS????????????? Can you answer me that? Oh, I know, it's politically correct to say AFRICAN-Americans. Nonsense.
VOTING A WRITE-IN VOTE FOR LOU DOBBS!!!
Just when I thought there could not
possibly be anyone more cartoonish than W. -- and there she is!
Just a thought
I am suspect of everything I hear and most everything I see when it comes to politics. I saw some of these people speaking with the media. If they were bribed, whiy do you suppose they got in front of the TV cameras. Our politicians (notice pleural) are so corrupt I wouldn't put anything past them to try to swing the vote and people like blind sheep just follow along.
just a thought...
what's sad and pathetic is that the press everywhere, not just America, reports what stirs people up. the fact that most Americans are working and struggling to make ends meet and put food on the table, and try their best to do what is right and make choices based on what is best for our country, is not considered newsworthy. So what everyone sees is the few loonies who are not at all representative of the majority of Americans, but isn't it fun watching them on the news! It will be a huge relief when this election is behind us, whatever the outcome.
i never thought of it that way
"They sure go to a lot of trouble to fight against something they don't believe in."
gourdpainter - i definitely will remember this; it applies to many areas of life where one should stop the conflict and just 'be'. is it the painting of gourds that lends itself to such peace and sagacity? if so, i will begin painting them today! your wise observations never fail to enllighten and many times amuse. when i see your tag, i know the post will be worth reading!
I thought it was ee-jot........nm
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