This is so unbelievably true. Personally, if you were born in America you are an American.
Posted By: Lu on 2009-02-02
In Reply to: I know I'll get flamed for this but I received - Backwards typist
You are not an African-American, Mexican-American, Chinese-American, etc. If you were born in Africa, Mexico or China and you have moved to America and have become an American citizen THEN you are an African-American, Mexican-American, Chinese-American.
The fact that we are pushed to refer to black people as "African-American" is racist in and of itself. I am not a White-American or Anglo-American. I'm just an American. I do not get a special distinction nor do I get special treatment. Nobody has to tiptoe around me and make sure that every word out of their mouth is policitally correct. Nobody is required by law to consider me before anyone else for a job based solely on the color of my skin.
I just don't get it. Everyone says we shouldn't see race, we should just see people. Yet, the labels that have been deemed "correct', point out skin color and divide society into groups. By it's very nature, political correctness, breeds racism.
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It doesn't matter WHERE he was born. He was born to an American citizen so he is sm
a native American.
Any child born to American parents is an American -
I am sorry, but I respectfully disagree with you - any child born to American parents is an American even if they are born overseas. The birth has to be registered with the United States, but they are still an American even if they are born in the foreign hospital.
I have 2 cousins who were born in Japan and they have no problems at all being "American".
Yeah but at least he was born in America
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He was never a US born American citizen
Let me repeat - Never was an American citizen, never was, never happened, nothing to denounce. He was born a Kenyan, moved to Indonesia and became an Indonesian citzen. What part of that are you not understading. If you were never an American citizen to begin with there is nothing they can take away. CRIPES ALMIGHTY! How many more times do people have to post that. There are NO documents to ever prove he was. You just don't listen.
Obama is a natural-born American...see message
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Now you can sleep well. I'm not voting for Obama, but I can't stand it when people stir crap up that isn't true.
It's just too easy -- the idea that keeping American jobs in America actually helping the economy
Nope, let's spend a few million and buy new furniture for homeland security and a few million more to buy hybrids for congress.
Can they not deduce that keeping corporate America from offshoring jobs will actually create more jobs, thereby lower the unemployment rate, and put more money in American's pocket for them to spend? Cut all tax cuts given to companies for offshoring and give the tax cuts to companies to strive to keep jobs in America?
And here's another V8 moment -- how about we buy American? Maybe increase tariffs on imported goods to discourage American companies from importing so much crapy and thereby necessitating said crap be sold at higher prices in an effort to discourage Americans from buying imports?
The ONLY way to help the American economy is to employ Americans and buy American! It's that simple!
If you were a true American you would
This is YOUR country (supposedly), so you want our president to fail? Do you not realize the implications of what you are saying?
You are on par with Benedict Arnold. Those remarks are treasonous.
You are pathetic and sickening.
Quote is true with what is happening in America today
I am putting the quote in perspective for what is happening today in America.
Wow! Unbelievably smart! It's so ridiculious!.nm
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Obama was born in US, his FATHER was born in Kenya, check it out and sm
Do you really think the campaign would have gotten this far if he was born in Kenya? Did Hannity tell you that? LOL!!!!
natural born does not mean you have to be born physically in the US -
My daughter was born in Germany, but because I am an American she is an American. She has no problems and is considered natural born - that just means you did not have to go through the hoops to become an American citizen.
She took it personally because she was attacked personally. Plain and simple.
Where did you get your debating skills? On the south side of Chicago in some street gang? Because if you did, it shows.
In a REAL debate, there is no room or tolerance for personal attacks. Yet, that's all you people know how to do. You can't stay on the issue. You MUST attack the poster personally, claiming to know not only what they think and feel but also claiming to know what every liberal ever thought or did, what they're thinking and doing right now and what they will be thinking and doing for the next 1,000 years. In fact, you seem to know everything about anything that ever existed on the planet, exists now or will exist into infinity.
As I (and others) have said repeatedly and you just can't seem to grasp, if you constantly treat people badly, they're not going to want to associate with you. Lurker was very gracious in her posts to all of you on your board, but even she, in the end, couldn't tolerate your continued, nonstop, personal attacks any more (as she indicated in her responses to the attackers). If you ever stop knowing it all and become interested in the proper way of debating someone, you could learn a lot from Lurker. You see, having *thick skin* is only important if you're a thug in a gang somewhere. It's irrelevant when it comes to treating humans like humans, and in that area, you have a lot to learn.
As for me, I like to learn from intelligent, friendly people with different political views, so I visit boards where those kinds of people are found. Not all conservatives are angry, rude, come out swinging and need to personally attack 1,000% of the time. Some of them are actually quite nice and informative, and they can be found on other forums. Too bad they can't be found on MTStars.
Have a pleasant evening. 
I was brought up Buy American made products, keep American jobs.
Always bought American made cars and bought products from companies where my family was employed. Now look at America? We are definitely connected all around the world.
My feeling? Obama states he wants to start from the poor upward. Not the other way around like it has been for quite awhile. That to me does not necessarily mean just in America, but around the world by taking the poorest countries and working upward so America's pay wages and everything else will be so low and comparable to the poorest countries. After all, we are now connected together.
Cannot wait to see what will happen with the Swine flu this fall with the second wave and what it will do to the economy of all the countries combined at once.
That's true - and Barack Obama is a true Patriot too.
Again we can agree to disagree. How John McCain has voted goes against everything I want as a President, but there are an equal number of people to me who feel opposite. That's the way it goes.
Your last comment brought to mind how true that is. Being a true patriot is not harmful in a candidate. John McCain is a patriot. So is Barack Obama.
There's one born every minute.
You seem to have bought the Dem's propaganda hook, line and sinker. What a sucker.
There is none so blind as he who will not see.
You know, not everyone was born in Boston...
and not everyone expresses himself/herself in the way you wish they would. That does NOT diminish their abilities. You still come off as sounding very condescending. I don't live in Boston and I don't have a master's degree, and I know a lot of "Joe six-packs." Who, incidentally, are very fine and not uneducated people. She does have a degree in journalism. She is not uneducated. Obama does not have a depth and breadth of experience, no more than she does. She has executive experience, he doesn't. He doesn't have foreign policy experience; that is why he has Joe Biden and 300 foreign policy advisors. She has balanced the state budget and has had surpluses which she returned to her constituents. She is very honest and open...much more so than Obama OR Biden.
Funny you should mention God...have you looked into black liberation theology?
Born-again believers
can't vote for Obama but they can vote for McCain, an admitted adulterer, proven liar, a man of proven poor judgment (Keeting-5 not to mention Gov Airhead)? They'll vote for McCain because he "says" he is against abortion? We know this how? I for one do not believe in abortion...for myself. I further believe that is an issue not for the government but between a woman, her doctor and her God. If she has no God, of course, she is not bound by His laws.
Yes, he war born in Hawaii which in in the US. nm
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He was born too early ...
If you read through the articles, you'll see that he was actually born before the law went into effect stating that people born in the Panama Canal zone were natural born citizens. Thus, he is not.
I'm sure the RNC felt that it was just a technicality that would never be called out.
I fear if this Obama stuff continues, it will be. And we'll be left with no candidates to vote for.
FYI, even though born in Iran, she is....sm
a natural-born American citizen.
As a born and bred
Chicago baby, I can say you are 100% right!
I was BORN in Europe, So what? What does this have to do
with anything and it is none of your business.
I assume that you are jealous that I am European born, therefore you are literally 'following' me around the forum with your pathetic comments.
Nothing better to do?
Look for another past-time.
I am a born again Christian and believe sm
homosexuality is wrong but THAT IS the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life!
unborn versus born
I do not think they would choose their life over a child that was already born, but I do think many would choose (and do choose) their own life over an unborn child's life. And by life I don't necessarily mean a medical condition. If my daughter were a teenager (she is not quite there yet) and she was pregnant, and she chose abortion, her father and I would certainly support that choice versus her giving up a promising future to raise an unwanted child, especially at such a young age.
I know others would not choose that, but many do everyday. Certainly, I think men and women should choose birth control, abstinence, etc., but birth control fails, mistakes happen, rape happens, incest happens, and I don't feel anyone should have to give birth if they don't want to or aren't prepared for the responsibility of parenting.
Many women chose to give their babies up for adoption, and that is a wonderful choice for them. However, not the best choice for everyone. I want everyone to be able to have that choice.
It does not matter how racism is born...
racism is racism. All whites did not enter into the slavery trade nor discrimination nor condone it, and if it had not been for some fed-up white Republicans like Abe Lincoln slavery would not have been abolished as quickly as it was. And if it had not been for some fed-up white Republicans shoving through the Right to Vote act in the 60's, oppression would certainly be worse still today. So I would be very careful about saying all whites oppressed anyone. And that is what racism is...condemning an entire "race" for perceived injustices or perceived inferiority. To the Nation of Islam, apparently to Obama's church, to Black panthers...there is no good white person. Exactly the way the old south was in reverse. Defend it if you like...it is still virulent racism and should not be condoned for ANY reason.
So, my friend, when you talk about quotas in jobs, quotas in scholarships, being put ahead not because of hard work or actually qualifying for something like a job or a scholarship, please don't whine about how blacks or minorities are oppressed. In today's culture it should strictly be on merit, not on the color of your skin, be that white, black, yellow, red or chartreuse.
And, frankly, your last sentence sounds pretty racist itself.
Where in the announcement does it say he was born in Hawaii...
If you listened to Michael Savage's interview, he actually had the newspaper with the announcement. It does not state the location of the birth. It just made an announcement.
Our local newspaper always has announcements for births and many of those births are from other states, etc. It is just an announcement to let the community know that one of their members had a child, grandchild, etc.
Yes, and he was born in "coal country" and also said
"No coal plants in this country." Now, that's really being behind your beginnings.
If they were born on a military base, they
are considered U.S. citizens. Military bases anywhere in the world are considered U.S. soil.
Yeah. They have to be born citizen, not
a naturalized citizen. Which is why "the Governor" will never be the Prez.
You can be born on the moon and as long as you...sm
have one parent who is an American citizen, you are a natural-born American citizen, PERIOD!
they were not born on a military base either
they have dual citizenship.
1963...LOL..that's the year I was born. (sm)
  Checking scalp for 666.
If Obama wasn't born in the US
then he shouldn't be president. Why? Because if we open that precedent, than anyone from any nation can run for president, and seeing as how many people will vote based on what they hear (or think they hear), all it would take would be a charismatic, young, exciting, progressive, man or woman from another country to come in with a hidden agenda and run for president and get voted in and then show us what he or she really had in mind for our country.
As for people who voted without any idea....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovcdb6csHBE
On the second one not one person could really name any specifics, just regurgitated whatever they heard on the t.v., internet, speeches, etc. I especially love the one that said "he's beautiful!" I didn't realize that was a point for voting...
You can also listen to the Howard Stern interviews where they listed Mccain's platforms as Obama's and asked people if that is why they were voting for Obama and they all said "yeah! definitely!" I didn't want to paste those because of the language though.
I'm not saying all of his supporters were dimwits, but a lot of them just voted for him because he was new, young, "hip", black, and a smooth talker. Believe me, being a 22-year-old college student, he appealed to me at first too, until I found out the things he stood for.
Born and raised in Chatta
Left there years ago but still visit some, went to high school there, Red Bank. I still get the News Free Press on line to make sure everything on the up and up there.
Just to clarify - this is for infants who were actually born .
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As a Born Again, Bible believing sm
Christian, I can see how you would get this opinion of Christians. Some Christians don't present themselves as they should and go to crazy and illegal methods. Let me say that a true Christian who loves Jesus Christ would NOT murder an abortion doctor. No one has that right. The abortion doctor will have to answer for what he has done as will the "so-called" Christian who murdered him. The person who murdered this doctor and those like him are not representative of what a true Christian is and should be.
When I hear stories like this it makes me sad that it has brought such shame upon the name of Christ my Lord. Please do not put us all in the same classification. Not everyone who calls themselves a Christian IS a Christian.
I am a Christian and I love Christ my Lord, but never would anything like this ever enter my mind.
God bless you.
No one is born homosexual or heterosexual
Those are meaningless terms. You're either born male or female. You decide what sex acts you wish to engage in. Some are normal. Some are abnormal. Some are immoral.
People are born gay or straight
I would love to know why straight people spew hatred at being gay. I know why, you believe we are perverts yet you do not consider that our lives parallel with yours. I NEVER think what you do in your bedroom so why should it bother you to the point that you hate gays because of what they do in their bedroom? Perhaps if you stop worrying about the sex life of a gay person, you might see that they are just like you in every way.
She was born in Idaho, but her family moved....
to Alaska when she was an infant. She was raised in Alaska.
I was thinking of naming my first-born "Sally".
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If Obama is a natural born citizen,
then why doesn't he provide it to the court, along with his medical and educational background? I don't think a scan of a birth certificate does it. Give the evidence to the court. Factcheck.org has the Annenburg connection, so it is not an objective source.
Does that not bother you that he will not do the right thing? If he has nothing to hide, why is this buried in the legal system? Get it over with and provide it to the court.
His mother was a natural-born US citizen...sm
and lived in the US all her life before she gave birth at 18. Your statement only applied. to children born to naturalized citizens who are living outside the US, the purpose being someone who comes to this country and becomes naturalized, then after a few years moves to another country, cannot expect their children that are born in that other country be considered natural-born citizens with the right to run for president. I will double check with my brother tonight, but I am pretty sure that is how he explained it.
As a matter of fact my youngest son was born...sm
on the day Nixon announced her would resign. I still have the headlines from that day.
If you were born in 1960, wouldn't that make
you 48? I just don't want you to think you are older than you are.
I was BORN in Europe, So what? What does thishave todo
with anything and it is none of your business.
I assume that you are jealous that I am European born, therefore you are literally 'following' me around the forum with your pathetic comments.
Nothing better to do?
Look for another past-time.
So,. bottom line, I am European born
and I have proven that my grammar and spelling is better than yours.
Sometimes I make some typos, but last not least this is a froum and on this forum there is no 'typo police' applied, not even 'grammar and spelling police.'
Go and take your meds, I bet you swallow tens of those every day and night, and pray!
People don't "turn gay". They're born that way.
the children born here are automatically citizens -
At one point in time, if a mother and father were here illegally and a child was born, the father would be deported, but the mother could stay until the child was 18. I don't know if that has changed or not.
And McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
but thanks for reminding us how desperate the right-wing fringers are. The sources that have debunked this myth are abundant. Try googling snopes or fact check for starters or simply obama citizenship.
Correct, Arnold is not a natural-born citizen. sm
Neither of his parents were American citizens when he was born. He is a naturalized American citizen and cannot run for president unless there is an amendment to the US Constitution.
Lets put this nonsense to bed. Pres candidates born outside US
Here's the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen
Here's the text. See. Isn't this EASY?
US presidential candidates born outside the US
"The constitutional wording has left doubts about whether those born on foreign soil are on an equal footing with those whose birth occurred inside the country's borders, and whether they have the same rights."[2] Though every president and vice president to date (as of 2008) has either been a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution, or else born in a U.S. state or Washington D.C.,[3] a number of presidential candidates have been born elsewhere.[4]
Barry Goldwater, who ran as the Republican party nominee in 1964, was born in Arizona while it was still a U.S. territory. Although Arizona was not a state, it was a fully organized and incorporated territory of the United States.[5]
George Romney, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 1968, was born in Mexico to U.S. parents. Romney’s grandfather emigrated to Mexico in 1886 with his three wives and children after Utah outlawed polygamy. Romney's parents retained their U.S. citizenship and returned to the United States in 1912. Romney was 32 years old when he arrived in Michigan.
Lowell Weicker, the former Connecticut Senator, Representative, and Governor, entered the race for the Republican party nomination of 1980 but dropped out before voting in the primaries began. He was born in Paris, France and acquired his citizenship at birth through his parents. His father was an executive for E. R. Squibb & Sons and his mother was the Indian-born daughter of a British general.[6]
John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and is the Republican nominee in 2008, was born at the Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Although the Panama Canal Zone was not considered to be part of the United States,[7] federal law states: "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States."[8] The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born — albeit with retroactive effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen.[9]
The mere fact of Constitutional ineligibility has not deterred some minor parties from nominating candidates for President who could not possibly serve in the office. For example, although some states have blocked ballot access for such candidates, the Socialist Workers Party nonetheless successfully placed its candidate, Róger Calero, on the ballot in Mississippi in 2004. [10]
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