This endorsement happened this morning....
Posted By: sam on 2008-09-17
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She formally announced she is supporting McCain and will campaign for him.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/16/prominent-clinton-backer-and-dnc-member-to-endorse-mccain/
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I found the comments on Morning Joe this morning
about Palin rather disgusting. A bunch of overweight old men talking about how hot she is, the feelings (implying those sexual type of feelings) they get when 'near' her in person - Pat Bucanan (spelling?) jokes to stay away from his girlfriend. It was like watching men talk about Playboy centerfolds.
Where are all the women who normally attack that type of behavior? This woman has a husband, children. The fact I would never vote for her does not stop me from being completely nauseated at how they disrespected her.
Should this type of talk be accepted regarding a presidential candidate at all, period?
Is she beautiful, yes. Is she funny, yes. Is she a hunter who kills animals, yes. I appreciate all of those things, but someone who cannot get men to respect her...that would be worrisome in a serious job or say, running an entire country, we are told is in crisis. Not so sure I understand what is so 'gosh-darn' funny about it.
thats an endorsement
It is that deeply corrupt and the only thing they can come up on Obama is a dinner party at Ayers house as proof of wrong-doing? Good point. Has Ayres menaced, threatened or injured your sister in anyway?
thank you for the ringing endorsement for freedom of speech....
yet another reason why I would never vote for a Democrat.
Did you bother to read the endorsement or simply
Think about it.
It appears that Roberts involvement in the case was not an endorsement per se. SM
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Roberts Helped Group on Gay Rights
- By JON SARCHE, Associated Press Writer
Friday, August 5, 2005
(08-05) 19:27 PDT DENVER (AP) --
A decade ago, John Roberts played a valuable role helping attorneys overturn a Colorado referendum that would have allowed discrimination against gays — free assistance the Supreme Court nominee didn't mention in a questionnaire he filled out for the Senate Judiciary Committee.
The revelation didn't appear to dent his popularity among conservative groups nor quell some of the opposition of liberal groups fearful he could help overturn landmark decisions such as Roe v. Wade, which guarantees a right to an abortion.
An attorney who worked with Roberts cautioned against making guesses about his personal views based on his involvement in the Colorado case, which gay rights advocates consider one of their most important legal victories.
"It may be that John and others didn't see this case as a gay-rights case," said Walter Smith, who was in charge of pro bono work at Roberts' former Washington law firm, Hogan & Hartson.
Smith said Roberts may instead have viewed the case as a broader question of whether the constitutional guarantee of equal protection prohibited singling out a particular group of people that wouldn't be protected by an anti-discrimination law.
"I don't think this gives you any clear answers, but I think it's a factor people can and should look at to figure out what this guy is made of and what kind of Supreme Court justice he would make," Smith said.
On Friday, Senate Judiciary Committee Republicans released two memos by Roberts when he was as an assistant counsel in the Reagan White House. In one, Roberts argued that President Reagan should not interfere in a Kentucky case involving the display of tributes to God in schools.
In the other, Roberts writes that Reagan shouldn't grant presidential pardons to bombers of abortion clinics. "The president unequivocally condemns such acts of violence," he wrote in a draft reply to a lawmaker seeking Reagan's position. "No matter how lofty or sincerely held the goal, those who resort to violence to achieve it are criminals."
Meanwhile, the Justice Department denied a request by Judiciary Committee Democrats for Roberts' writings on 16 cases he handled when he was principal deputy solicitor general during President George H.W. Bush's administration. The department also declined to provide the materials, other than those already publicly available, to The Associated Press and other organizations that sought them under the Freedom of Information Act.
"We cannot provide to the committee documents disclosing the confidential legal advice and internal deliberations of the attorneys advising the solicitor general," assistant Attorney General William E. Moschella wrote Friday to the eight committee Democrats.
Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the panel's senior Democrat, said Roberts made decisions whether to pursue legal appeals in more than 700 cases. "The decision to keep these documents under cover is disappointing," Leahy said.
The gay rights case involved Amendment 2, a constitutional amendment approved by Colorado voters in 1992 that would have barred laws, ordinances or regulations protecting gays from discrimination by landlords, employers or public agencies such as school districts.
Gay rights groups sued, and the measure was declared unconstitutional in a 6-3 ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1996.
Roberts' role in the case, disclosed this week by the Los Angeles Times, included helping develop a strategy and firing tough questions during a mock court session at Jean Dubofsky, a former Colorado Supreme Court justice who argued the case on behalf of the gay rights plaintiffs.
Dubofsky, who did not return calls Friday, said Roberts helped develop the strategy that the law violated the equal protection clause in the Constitution — and prepared her for tough questions from conservative members of the court. She recalled how Justice Antonin Scalia asked for specific legal citations.
"I had it right there at my fingertips," she told the Times. "Roberts was just terrifically helpful in meeting with me and spending some time on the issue. He seemed to be very fair-minded and very astute."
Dubofsky had never argued before the Supreme Court. Smith said she called his firm and asked specifically for help from Roberts, who argued 39 cases before the court before he was confirmed as a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C., in 2003.
Smith said any lawyer at Hogan & Hartson would have had the right to decline to work on any case for moral, religious or other reasons.
"If John had felt that way about this case, given that he is a brilliant lawyer, he would have just said, `This isn't my cup of tea' and I would have said, `Fine, we'll look for something else that would suit you,'" Smith said.
The Lambda Legal Defense Fund, which helped move the case through the state and federal courts, said Roberts' involvement raised more questions about him than it answered because of his "much more extensive advocacy of positions that we oppose," executive director Kevin Cathcart said.
"This is one more piece that will be added to the puzzle in the vetting of John Roberts' nomination," Cathcart said.
The Rev. Lou Sheldon, founder of the Traditional Values Coalition, said his support for Roberts' nomination has not diminished. "He wasn't the lead lawyer. They only asked him to play a part where he would be Scalia in a mock trial," Sheldon said.
Focus on the Family Action, the political arm of the Colorado Springs-based conservative Christian ministry Focus on the Family, said Roberts' involvement was "certainly not welcome news to those of us who advocate for traditional values," but did not prompt new concerns about his nomination, which the group supports.
"That's what lawyers do — represent their firm's clients, whether they agree with what those clients stand for or not," the group said in a statement.
URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2005/08/05/national/w135401D98.DTL
I agree, but - he got an endorsement from an evangelist but he didn't attend the church for 20 ye
McCain did get an endorsement from a radical evangelist, but I don't think it involved racism or hate, he is just sort of "out there." However, McCain did not attend his church(was it Hagee, not sure), just got an endorsement from him. That is a huge difference from attending the church for 20 years under him.
This morning on TV,...
...I heard that so far, there were 325 Palestinians dead and TWO Israelis dead. (I realize this figure is no longer accurate, but I bet the ratio still is.) 
This morning on TV,...
...I heard that so far, there were 325 Palestinians dead and TWO Israelis dead. (That was about 18 hours ago, and I realize this figure is no longer accurate, but I bet the ratio still is.)
Sat. morning laugh
Anybody interested, watch the short animated video at:
http://www.batemania.com/bateman365/day009.html
It only takes a few seconds, it's really funny....until you think about it too long anyway.
My thoughts this morning
I don't know why I find certain posters/postings so darn disturbing. I know in my heart they do NOT represent most right-wingers. I have two very close friends who are right-wingers and quite a few acquaintances. These folks in no way resemble the posters I refer to. I also know they are pretty much a lunatic fringe. I know I should just ignore them....but I can't sometimes, especially when I see postings that are so grievously factually erroneous (i.e., this country takes care of its poor - which I might add in many ways this country TRIES to help its poor but there is still much to be done). I just think I could address these factual errors without becoming personally embroiled.
The up side is that I learn so much from the research I have ended up doing as well reading some of the eloquent and inspiring posts I have seen on this board. That by itself is worth a lot.
Yesterday I felt my blood pressure rise and felt sick to my stomach for a while. But at sunset I took my three ill-behaved dogs-of-uncertain-heritage for a walkl in a snowy woods out here in the boonies where I live and my appreciation for the world that l am able live in came back to me....and I mean my own personal space, my mental place as well as geographic world.
good morning
Get a cup of coffee or juice and enjoy....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiJk6MeBx54
I can't find it either....this morning....sm
I saw a .pdf file and when I clicked on it for the new bailout plan as worked out by the Senate, nothing came up on my screen. It was blanked out. Now it isn't there, so it may still be evolving, I dunno.
What I did hear on one of the money talk shows this morning , is that the bill is now up to something ridiculous like 450 pages long. I cringe if I try to wonder what all it does and does not contain.
However, one bright spot in this bill is that it sounds like they are going to get rid of the mark to market rule (dunno if it's going to be temporary or permanent). But from what I understand, that little thing alone, getting rid of the "mark to market" will free up money for all banks to want to begin the lending process again. This is a very, very good thing.
Oh, did you finally get out of bed this morning? nm
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I can only tell you what my feelings were this morning...sm
when I saw CP on Meet the Press. We already knew from the lead in that he was going to support one candidate or the other. I respect him so much that I was praying he would endorse Obama but had no real feeling of which way he would go. I listened to what he had to say and felt his pain that he was a republican through and through but just could not endorse McCain. He spoke of their friendship over many years and how much he respected him but could not abide the far right direction and the negative tone that the campaign had taken. He said he is an American first and thinks that Obama is better for America than McCain.
Morning backatcha, Dee
I'm on my way out the door campainging for the restoration of the local grist mill that dates back to the 1830s. Maybe I was born 100+ years too late. LOL
Well, I usually watch the morning
news shows local and national,then a few others after that, but they're all yaking about it. It just seems like the news doesn't have any news. Don't get me wrong. They do it with every little story. I counted 2 weeks at least on little Caylee, then nothing. I counted more than that on the 911 tragedy. After a few days of any news story, it gets really old.
How can the O be painting a room. Doesn't he have all kinds of celebrations/parties/speeches to make somewhere? I thought the three days was going to be spent doing that before THE day.
And that's why I vented this morning.
Of course, I was awake for a couple hours, so I had my coffee and was wide awake when I heard that. LOL
I'm a little calmer now, except I'm now listening to C-Span and they are debating the SCHIP program, about increasing the program. I have to turn it off pretty soon. I can feel my BP going up again with some of the asinine remarks being made by certain members of the senate that don't want to wait to debate or discuss the amendments CAREFULLY. Some want full disclosure of the cost and amendments, others think it's not necessary. What jerks!
wow, nasty this morning,,,
in our area there are people struggling but not to the extent that seem to be here on this board every day. Certainly don't live in a glass house; have struggled before in the past and have figured out a way not to. We are in a fortunate situation at the moment and have taken steps to ensure that we will be okay financially should the rug be pulled out from under us; so be it if that is considered snooty. Bash away as is your style; it humors me.
What happened?
Oh geez..what happened? Where are all the attack posts?? They are gone!! Or maybe Im just hallucinating this morning, LOL. OMG!! Now we can have soulful, fruitful, progressive and caring debates and ideas and maybe even possibly make a difference, without being attacked on everything we post. Halleluiah!!
What I think happened
I believe the other short, nasty post was deleted and in doing so it automatically deleted the other posts below it, which unfortunately included yours.
Yes, let's. What happened to all that
You used the "little people" reference to illustrate how elitist my concerns are. Those were not Obama's words, they were yours. You are not as good at spin as you think you are. Your choice to skip over the points about what KIND of executive experiences is another casual dismissal of issues far to vital to ignore, as you evidently would have us do. Those concerns will not be repeated here since you are trying to side-step them, as republicans inevitably do when faced with intellectual challenge, except to say that CEOs are executives, but keep themselves far out of touch with the "little people" beneath them. Sarah what's-her-name has also demonstrated a tendency to be a bit out of touch when it comes to using her office to elevate herself from ethics maid to VP.
Be impressed by that December 4, 2006 to now executive title. You obviously cannot cite any substance behind the title and neither can she. Most of us will not be voting for a title or a label, despite your party's best efforts.
Side-stepped everything about the token selection and Stepford Wife delegation, I see. So much for celebrating women's progress in the political arena.
First chair? Hopefully not (God help us if she ever is). Fact: That possibility is considerably more real under McCain (especially over an 8-year term) because of his age. Again, you have side-stepped the difference between the experience of Biden and the absence of same in what's-her-name. So much for being ready to lead the country. No problem. Says all it need to. 80% approval rating unheard of? You got that right. Nobody beyond Alaska has heard about it and it does not mean anything in view of the issue I raised that you are ignoring.
If you want to continue to make an utter fool of yourself by insisting her experience matches Obama's, go for it. I won't need to answer that lunacy again anytime soon. I'll let the media take care of that one for me and besides, rational minds will prevail over this lame claim.
What ever happened to
all those scathing protests over "redistribution of wealth?" How do all these bail-outs factor into that line of thinking?
I don't know how this happened!!! =)
ms - here's my political profile from the test you posted. Yes, I was very surprised! The liberal part must be hold-overs from my college days! =)
Overall: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
Social Issues: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
Personal Responsibility: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
Fiscal Issues: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
Ethics: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
Defense and Crime: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
and what happened?
did someone put a stop to it???
What happened to sam?
I'm just curious. I can barely stomach the politics board, so I almost never read the political posts due to the O-Love-A-Thon and the pure vitreol, which does nobody any good.
I noticed that sam took off. I don't blame him/her, either. I simply wondered.
As for Ann Coulter, her brilliance and success literally drives the libs nuts. I have her books, too, just short of her latest one, "Guilty."
I'm not here to start a bunch of %(#$*, but I just wondered where sam went. My guess is that he/she got sick of the crap and left. I couldn't figure why he/she continued the fightl I know I won't go there.
I know what happened...LOL..(sm)
You responded to a post that said "what makes you think we don't" when you probably should have, or meant to respond to the comment above that. It went south after that. Been there and done that. I hate it when that happens....LOL.
What happened to us.
You always hear about people in the old days who worked from run rise to run set to make enough money, etc. to support themselves and their kids. They wouldn't take charity or handouts. They took pride in working and earning what they got whether it was enough or not. Now there are just too many people with their hands out asking for a free ride.
As far as I am concerned.....if you are receiving welfare and you refuse to work even if it isn't a great job......you lose your welfare. I have no problem contributing to someone who is at least trying to work. However, I do have a problem with giving money to lazy bums who would rather mooch off other people than to do a days honest work.
This is what happened
Someone posted that the Capt had been freed. Someone replied to that "Thank you President Obama. Job well done". We're all thinking what????? I didn't know that the O was part of the Navy Seal team that went in and rescued the Captain. Why would you be thanking the O but not the Navy Seals, not saying they are hero's that laid down their lives to rescue the Captain. No they attribute it all to the O. And yet on the other side of the coin they wouldn't give GW the same "congrats" when he gave the orders to have the girl from West Virginia rescued, or when he have the orders to have the hostages in Iran rescued, or any of the other orders he gave the okay on for the Navy Seals to rescue the people. But even then, as I don't congratulate the O because he wasn't part of the Navy Seals that risked their life to save the Captain, I would also not congratulate Bush on his orders to rescue other hostages.
The congrats goes to the Navy Seals. The ones who lay their lives down to rescue people they don't even know. When you give your life and are prepared to die to save another human being, they are the real hero's. But the poster that congratulated the O for "a job well done", didn't even mention anything about the ones who actually did the saving.
I don't get you guys...what is it you want. We all know you think he is the messiah, the anointed one, the one who can do no wrong. You will always be the first to praise "oh looky the stock market went up 8.5 points - way to go O, you're just the best president ever", but when the stock market drops something like 150 points you stay silent, and then be the ones to point out that the stock market goes up and down and it's not his fault. I sit and think...uh hellloooooo...you just congratuated him for the stock market going up but it's not his fault it goes down?????? (which by the way I don't believe whether it goes up or down he has anything to do with, but evidently you people do - that is of course only when it goes up).
All you want to see on this board is praises for him and rejoicing and singing hallelujah's to his name. You will never ever say anything when something bad is happening. Just praises.
Yes, I know he will make mistakes, and I know he will do some good. But not admitting when something bad is going on (like tripling our deficit within 90 days - and no, not a fault of Bush's, the O did this all by himself with his pen and paper, and with the help of a crat congress. You won't admit he is breaking his campaign promises. You won't say anything when we hear he is telling other countries that they can have our jobs because we don't want them anyways. You won't say anything when he bows to another countries leader (the American president is suppose to bow to nobody - but on top of that if he is suppose to bow to anyone, certainly not the country like that - I mean for pete's sake, he didn't even bow to the Queen of England). You may say you don't think he's perfect, but you certainly don't speak up when something he has done is wrong.
The "I know he will make mistakes - what man has never made mistakes?", etc, etc. sounds like your trying to get people to feel sorry for him and maybe you think it aids in your cause of the "oh poor O, everyone is picking on him". Well you know what, when people stand up and say "I'm mad as he!! and I'm not going to take it anymore". When you finally will speak up and say "hey, wait a minute, I voted for him but this is not what he said he was going to do" (which is what has happened to me. Yeah, you bet I get pretty ticked off when I have been lied to and I voted for him believing one thing and then realized he suckered us a good one. That's what's the really upsetting thing. Fooled me once shame on you, fool me twice - well there just won't be a twice.
"Why can't ya'll just give him a chance"??????? He has had his chance and he is blowing it.
Got a call early this morning, was
not truly awake when I answered the phone, and my stepson stationed in Japan gave me the dreadful news, news I NEVER wanted to hear...he is going to Iraq. My husband was not here when I received this horrifying news, he was working the midnight shift. My stepson said not to tell his dad, that he would tell him. So here I am, with husband now sleeping, and he still does not know that his son is nearing the time of deployment to this God-awful, senseless, maniacal, perverted, ill-fated, unjustifiable war in Iraq where innocent Iraqis by one hundred thousand and American by the thousands are dying because WHY???? Someone please give me an unabashed truthful, reasonable answer as to WHY we are even there?! You must know that when the Bush admin even started talking about invading Iraq, I was 100 percent against it. I knew our presence there would only enrage, create a hornet's nest of more terrorists and fanatics, and lead to devastation for WHAT!? To get rid of Saddam, to get the oil, to enrich Halliburton?! None are good enough reasons to kill people. This murdering bunch of thugs who are *elitists* sitting on their money, getting richer on the lives and deaths of our American troops....It's all too much for me. As I said, I have been against this war before troops were even deployed, and my son has to go....very very sad day for us. I pray for all those have gone before my son, and pray to the dear Lord that this will all end soon. God forgive this prez for all the killing and misery he has caused for nothing, NO THING!
Thanks for the reminder....went first thing this morning....
and you are right...every vote makes a difference, just like every "non" vote. Have a great day!
Here is an issue that I just read this morning. sm
McCain says he opposes using federal $$ for teen pregnancy prevention programs and Palin had said she opposes funding sex-ed programs in Alaska.
I'm not a conservative, but not a total liberal either as I don't believe in abortion - so, what do the conservatives think of this. Do you agree or disagree? Please don't start with the bashing each other, I am sincerely curious and am not trying to get a rise out of anyone.
I saw Biden in an interview this morning....
he got realll agitated when confronted about an issue they really did not want to break. Talking to a reporter and he almost got loud. They are not on the run, but they are definitely concerned. The debates will be verrryyyy interesting.
To Biden's credit, though, he was almost snarly to the press for sexism and attacking Palin's family. Much more forceful about it than Obama. Good for him!
The little experiment I conducted this morning...
proves my point. The attack "machine" on this board will attack anyone who posts in opposition to them...whether I post as Indy Observer or as sam. It makes no difference. So changing the moniker means nothing. It is not the individual poster; we are all lumped together as the "great evil." lol. Sigh.
Did someone miss their morning meds?...nm
I heard this morning it was over $850 billion...
with added stuff...one particular one I saw was for wool research and wooden children's arrows of all things. The Republicans did manage to get some tax cuts in there that will help to a point so that maybe not so much of the $700 billion will have to go out...because people will be encouraged to invest again. A drop in the bucket probably, but at least a try. Now it has to go back to the house and no telling what they will want to add. The bill went from what was posted on the internet (about 10 pages I think) to 450+. Sigh. THAT kind of experience we don't need anymore of. Bring on Sarah Palin. I wish we could replace every member of congress with common sense folks like Sarah Palin. THAT is change I can believe in. I am sick to DEATH of Washington Politics as usual.
As to Dodd and Frank...I hear that! Not willing to accept one iota of the blame when they should have all of it. And where is the mainstream media? Out to lunch? Can you imagine what will happen to this country if Obama is elected, with a Democrat majority and mainstream media cover? What is WRONG with people? Hellooo. Sigh.
should have watched good morning
actually biden may have answered questions and he didn't need palin to point out they were not factual.... good morning america sure did though.
I had a post removed this morning . . .
for whatever reason, I guess someone didn't like the fact that I posted about SP being brought up on investigation again for her crooked dealings! Then I got an angry response from someone about not posting political viewpoints on this board!! Why is this post allowed to stay, and mine was taken off? I guess freedom of speech is only allowed for the one side!!
good morning, gourdpainter
another day, another pub.
Yeah, I read this morning
where he is being criticized by the left for not appointing cabinet members who are "liberal enough." LOL Just goes to prove you can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all the people all the time.
Saw a lawyer on the tube this morning....
saying that Obama campaign does not have to write down names under $200, however, they ARE supposed to be tracking credit card numbers to stop people from making MULTIPLE $200 donations with the same credit card. Supposedly that was done, but no one was making sure there were not repeat donations on the same card. Or they knew it and ignored it. THAT Is why they want an investigation, because it is against campaign finance law for one individual to donate more than $200.
Obama kept the donation from Hamas until it became public and then he gave it back....lobbyists is one thing. Terrorists quite another.
Wow. Up here all morning and so far has drawn one big "DUH"
Maybe they're doing so research on how to trash Shakespeare.
Wow. They let the loons out early this morning.
Either way, it is doubtful he is racist against his other half.
Yep, me too :-) Just hope all is well when we wake up in the morning sm
no matter who wins!
Good morning Gourdpainter....
So how long can I wait until eating that crow? Want to let him get in and going first? :)
Seriously, I hope I am wrong about him. I respect that he is our president, but I just pray he will rethink some of his more liberal ideas (i.e. signing FOCA) and come to a little more little of the road.
Just one other question...is anyone else freaked out by Pelosi? She gave me the heebie geebies last night when she spoke! LOL I'm sorry not being mean, she is just a straight politician through and through!
Well congrats to all you O supporters. I just hope that no one sits back and expects him to fix things. We all need to be more active this go around. We all need to voice our opinions and fight for our rights through this whole presidency. No time to get complacent now!
good morning america
he said that O and him worked on a fund raiser together, that they were family friends and that he donated money to an early campaign. Now I watched a debate where O said that the only link between the two was that they happened to be on the same fund raiser and that he didnt know ayers other than that. so i am sorry but that was not true.
You might want to try the other side of the bed tomorrow morning...(sm)
I'm just saying....
You might want to try the other side of the bed tomorrow morning...(sm)
I'm just saying....
My, my. Feeling a little grumpy this morning?
Hope your petty snipes make you feel better.
My, my. get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
Not only does he identify with the "peon" vs the podium, he seeks to raise them up and level the playing field, which is a WHOLE LOT MORE than his predecessor can even conceive of.
Heard this morning about a possible "methane gas tax" (sm)
This would basically be a fart tax for farmers and livestock owners. It has been proposed (not adopted yet) by the EPA, since they are now in control of the atmospheric emissions. The proposal is $175 per head of cattle and $120 per pig.
Even if you're a vegetarian and don't eat meat, if you like cheese, ice cream, chocolate, or anything that includes any dairy product, you can bet this fart tax will be passed on to consumers.
Again, this is just a proposal, so we may hear more about it in the months to come, but it's just another way we can get taxed and the government can say they didn't do it.
On the local news this morning:
US is deploying anti-missle weapons to Hawaii in case N.Korea aims their newest long range missle towards Hawaii on July 4. Hopefully, Alaska is armed to the hilt.
That maniac needs to go.
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