This does not come as a surprise. Thanks for posting..nm
Posted By: Democrat on 2006-06-14
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No surprise.
Two Democrats today commented on leftists like you and several others on this board. I sure do agree with them.
Mike Kinsley, lifelong Democrat, on Pelosi’s pathetic platform:
For national security in general, the Democrats’ plan is so according-to-type that you cringe with embarrassment: It’s mostly about new cash benefits for veterans. Regarding Iraq specifically, the Democrats’ plan has two parts. First, they want Iraqis to “assum[e] primary responsibility for securing and governing their country.” Then they want “responsible redeployment” (great euphemism) of American forces.
Older readers may recognize this formula. It’s Vietnamization—the Nixon-Kissinger plan for extracting us from a previous mistake. But Vietnamization was not a plan for victory. It was a plan for what was called “peace with honor” and is now known as “defeat.”
Maybe “A New Direction for America” is just a campaign document—although it seems to have had no effect at all on the campaign. My fear is that the House Democrats may try to use it as a basis for governing.
Orson Scott Card, lifelong Democrat, on the only issue that matters in this election:
I say this as a Democrat, for whom the Republican domination of government threatens many values that I hold to be important to America’s role as a light among nations.
But there are no values that matter to me that will not be gravely endangered if we lose this war. And since the Democratic Party seems hellbent on losing it — and in the most damaging possible way — I have no choice but to advocate that my party be kept from getting its hands on the reins of national power, until it proves itself once again to be capable of recognizing our core national interests instead of its own temporary partisan advantages.
To all intents and purposes, when the Democratic Party jettisoned Joseph Lieberman over the issue of his support of this war, they kicked me out as well. The party of Harry Truman and Daniel Patrick Moynihan — the party I joined back in the 1970s — is dead. Of suicide.
This may come as a surprise to you, but...
nm
Why should this surprise you? Now he is saying
that they need to have more regulation, after wanting to de-regulate years ago.
No surprise here...(sm)
I think I said a couple days ago they wouldn't be happy with the result and that it would just turn into a larger *conspiracy.* Thanks for not disappointing. LOL
no be surprise
he admits to being a heavy drinker, dating strippers, etc. He has only donned this moral costume with the church talk and happy marriage schitch since he has had to go far right to get conservative support this election cycle. Before he was defeated by Bush, he was more left-central. Now is fair right.
Big surprise, huh?
With all that lynch mob mentality going on, people are waking up to the real deal. Even a lot of very prominent pubs are turning away, advising JM to dump that noose around his neck because she is dragging him down. After all, he did create the monster. I say, what goes around . . .
No surprise there....
he is a socialist.
This may come as a surprise to you,
are not one monolithic group of people who share the same literal read of the Quran as you would have us believe. Substitute the word Jihadist for Muslim in your statement and then we might have something to talk about. I will not put myself in the position to defend the teachings of a Holy Book that is read, interpreted and elaborated in thousands of different ways by 1.5 billion people who are members of the world's second largest religion. My issue here is not whether or not minority sects within that religion are terrorist...the same way that I see fanatical Christians, by the way (and before you go there, I am Christian). My issue is the ignorant, dangerous rhetoric that would paint a huge majority of humble, spiritual, religious people of faith of any religion in one broad stroke that would leave us believing they they are all out to "get us."
No surprise there.
With the kind of narrow-minded thinking and myopic world view you hav expressed in your posts, of course you can't envision anything except your own stupidity.
Big surprise there.
No surprise here
Been watching this woman move up the ranks of corruption in California for many years now.
For many of us that comes as no surprise......
They have already told O that out of those released from there, they already know to be fact that over 60% of them go back to fight and kill!
Yep, all those poor little gitmo guys now being treated like kings in the bahamas.... nice place to start another group up terrorists training!!!! Too bad so many O lovers have been sucked into that belief that those guys are just lovable little teddy bears!!!
Why doesn't this surprise me??
Nan, you were stalked??? What a surprise!!!!!
nm
Hey, doesn't surprise me
When Carter won one I knew the committee's cheese had completely slid of their cracker.
Wouldn't surprise me if he still is.
Nothing the Bush administration does surprises me any more.
What? No takers? No surprise there.
nm
doesn't surprise me a bit!
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You just might have a big surprise me thinks. lol.
I pray that you will get a surprise
and your husband will be home for the birth of your first child. I admire that you accept that it is his job. You are a brave young lady.
Just a coincidence, my favorite Kiger Mustang mare is expecting her first foal on Feb. 21 so I'm going to be a "granny." LOL
Take care of yourself and that baby! I'll "argue" with you anytime. LOL
Pleasant surprise?
SURPRISE!!! We're being attacked AGAIN. Even Mr. Biden said we are in for an attack of some sort in order to "test" O...Yeah, that's the kind of change I'm looking for...
I actually don't find it to be a surprise at all...
California voted to ban gay marriage before. The supreme court overturned the proposition and allowed it, citing that it was against the state constitution, so all this did was amend the constitution to reinstate what has been voted in before.
Ummm, this may come as a surprise to you
There are between 1.3 and 1.6 BILLION Moslems in the world. Estimates of how many live in the US are widely disputed, but range between 2 and 7 million. Among them, only a very small percentage of them are extremist. That leaves about a BILLION of them, give or take, for Obama to "win over." Got it?
Of course he is a believer. ..... which is no surprise
when you see the agenda he is shoving down everyone's throats!!! People better wake up and take back their country before this man destroys it!
No surprise that he received such applause!
Did you read the other story on that page regarding the U.S. plans to invade Venezuela? Is the administration so stupid to think that people will actually believe that troops were sent there for R&R? Gimme a break!
It's really a shame when a socialist leader has more honesty and integrity than an American president. Given the choice, who would you believe, Bush or Chavez? Not much of a contest, is it?
What a surprise, you don't condemn skinheads.
And, as usual, you twist my words in order to attack my posts. I wrote, *It's too bad that these *rotten apples* are making the majority of the good military look bad.*
Shame on YOU for not thinking this is horrible. ![](http://www.forumatrix.com/smileys/cooldown.gif)
It's hard to surprise a fool. NT
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This is not a surprise either: Chertoff says US needs more authority. sm
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/print?id=2308590
Martial law wouldn't surprise me. n/m
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I didn't think much could surprise me anymore
but this is some creepy stuff. What's next?
Your theory doesn't really surprise
me. I just think it sucks that illegals get so much money from us for education, health care, etc. Now they want to give illegals the right to vote? What is the point of being an American citizen nowadays. You get more rights and benefits being illegal. It just irks me!!!
It wouldn't surprise me if he changes the law - see message
and allows other countries flags to fly above our so we don't hurt their feelings. After all, according to him we are just a bunch of "selfish ignorant Americans".
It wouldn't surprise me if it broke out....(sm)
into a full fledged civil war. With everything that's going on over there right now, that would be a huge mess. However, this may be the only way for Iranian people to break out of it. I think those who would revolt would definitely get a lot of backing though. I just don't know how much the US could do to back them considering how our resources are so thin right now.
China is not industrialized? That would be a real surprise to them, I am sure. nm
What a surprise. You need to shut your TV off & open your mind.nm
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No big surprise here....you pick and choose the facts you want...sm
to read and hear. I'm tired of trying to educate you.
Meanwhile, Barry Obama can do no wrong, and the facts are spun in the media to his direction, making him look like the poster boy for "poor me" they're trying to "smear me" ....
No matter that it is all TRUE!!!!!
Well, boo hoo.
Barry worked for ACORN, was and is, friends with terrorists and racists and liberal democratic former CEOs of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, people who hate this country and all it stands for are his so called "friends" that he has thrown under the bus.
Watch, if he wins, they'll all pop out of the woodwork again.
That man lies and rewrites his life story, and you all believe him.
That old saying that goes: Show me a person's friends and those he surrounds himself with, and it will show you who he is.
Well, I certainly don't like and trust what and who Barry Obama.
Gee, how come there is NO ONE from Barry's former or current life, that are friends that can stand up for his character?
The street is always one-way for the democrats, the biggest spin doctors around.
I'll take SP over O any day.
Making an oak out of an acorn was the October surprise
Nice try. It ain't gonna stick, just like Ayers and all the other smears don't stick. Watch SNL tonight to see them rip Palin apart. Tina Fey was on Letterman last night saying how Palin isn't smart enough and got roars and resounding applause from the audience.
Colin Powell....closet democrat...no surprise there...nm
Bush speech on terror, followed by *surprise* terror alert. Whaaaaaaaaat?
Bush took to TV cameras again to try to sell his Brooklyn Bridge of a war, this time tossing around buzz words like *communism* and *fascism.* (Yawn)
But wait!!
Within a couple hours, during a televised news conference with Mayor Bloomberg, it was announced that evidence of a bomb threat specific to place, time and method had been received and that the source was very credible. (First thought: *But I thought were were fighting them there so we don't have to fight them HERE.* Second thought: *This is bad. We've been warned in advance of this. Look what happened when we were warned in advance about Katrina?!*)
Yikes!
But wait!
Shortly following that news conference with Mayor Bloomberg, the powers that be in Washington issued a statement that the threat has doubtful credibility.
Oh.
Okay. Just another terror warning in America......or not.
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God will never offend me, but it wouldn't surprise me if you offend GOD.
People who use God to lie and twist things to their liking are the people who offend me.
The purpose of the site you posted is to bring people to Jesus Christ. There is certainly nothing wrong with that.
What IS wrong, however, is that the people they list as being *athiests* are people who don't follow their personal religious beliefs, and they are therefore *judged* to be athiests. This doesn't make it true. I asked you for facts. You haven't provided any. All you provided was slander.
If anything, Phil Donahue respects God more than anyone on this laughable *athiest* site. Phil Donahue has always taken to task those who feel their God is *better* than anyone else's, always pushed the envelope with the most radical and least credible of the religious fanatics who claim to have an *inside track* to God that nobody else has. He's asked these so-called Christians if Jews are privileged to go to heaven to their way of thinking, or people of other religions. Phil Donahue has exposed these people as being totally UN-Jesuslike in their hatred and condemnation of groups of society. Phil Donahue BELIEVES in freedom of religion for everyone and doesn't buy into spiritual superiority.
THAT'S why you don't like him. Trying to pass off this ridiculously slanderous site as being authentic shows who truly is uninformed on this board. ![](http://www.forumatrix.com/smileys/cooldown.gif)
why are you posting here?
I believe in personal responsibility. I dont believe you or the govt have a right to tell anyone what to do with their body. If my choices are wrong, I will stand in judgment when I meet my maker. I also dont follow in lock step with an administration that lies to the people about Iraq. Supporting our troops and not falling for lies about this illegal war are two different things. Yes, it is an illegal war. The world realizes this. The International Court of Justice realizes this. Of course, I support our troops and want them home. Believing in God is a personal decision and should not be shoved down others throats. I believe in separation of church and state, do not mix religion and politics. I dont believe we should have the state and/or president intervening when a spouse wants to let someone pass whose brain is half the size of a normal brain, living only due to rudimentary reflexes and I certainly do not think they should waste my tax dollars on trying to tie the hands of the spouse. These republicans/conservatives are way out of control in so many ways. It would be quite laughable if it wasnt so pitiful. I believe this is not a Christian country but a country with many religions and beliefs and I respect the people enough to let them choose what to believe. Seems to me nowadays democrats are acting like the way republicans used to, i.e., keep govt at a minimum and out of personal business, keep the budget balanced or as close to balance as possible. Republicans/conservatives are so off course right now. They are trying to invade into the states rights and personal rights. They have waged an immoral illegal war, my children and my childrens children will be paying to reduce this massive deficit, caused by republicans. Yes I oppose **liberating** other countries who dont ask us to help. Who the heck do we think we are, invading a soverign country and pushing our beliefs and religion and morals down their throats? Iraq is worse off today than it was under Saddam. Under Saddam, they had jobs, food, electricity, a life of certainty and definitely not lawlessness in the streets. We have killed tens of thousands of Iraqis with the excuse of liberating them. We have created a terrorist breeding ground and it will continue. The minute we kill off terrorists, their sons and daughters will rise up and fight back. We are just as bad as Saddam with our sickening war machine.
Thanks for posting this.
that's what it's all about.
posting
In an odd sense of.....oh...whatever, please continue to post here. No one wants you not to (gosh, it must be the green tea Im drinking this morning). *note to me, get rid of that darn republican green tea*..
Not posting here
What is it about this issue that makes you people think that anyone finds YOU to be a threat to the point where you are all suddenly retreating and saying you won't post here any more???????????
The problem is with the breach of security on this site. Unless you're the owner/moderator/administrator, this does not apply to you personally.
This issue should have been brought to the forefront on the company board a week ago when this incident happened, but I guess too many people were shocked by the blatant lack of ethics and the not so subliminal message that if anyone says anything negative about this company, your ISP will be tracked, and at that point, I, along with probable others, was afraid to post anything further.
why do they keep posting here?
For the life of me, I dont understand why these same bitter so angry conservatives come over to the liberal board and post. They are not wanted here. I guess the anger just builds up as they try to live their obviously unhappy lives and when they cant stand it any more, they come over here to start trouble. It just bugs the heck out of them that we are patriotic, love the troops and want them home alive. Some of these radical neocons actually say the troops are fighting for our freedom and freedom of speech? What? The war in Iraq has nothing to do with our freedom or freedom of speech. They will just throw anything out there to try to justify Bush's war. They sound so silly, just makes me shake my head and laugh. A bunch of fools.
Wow, thanks for posting
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Thanks for posting.
I really like Paul Krugman.
Thank you for posting this.
And thanks Lurker for writing it. Lurker brought up many, many valid issues and good points. I wonder why nobody on that other board even bothered to address those issues.
There was someone posting here sm
In fact several, and I thought one of them was you, who were listing lots of links that Bush engineered 9/11. I guess I was mistaken, but someone was posting it here.
Thank you for posting this!
My heart was really heavy...was I was not aware of this stance until this thread began. It is indeed heartening to know this. Thanks again!
Thanks for posting
I think you made my point better than I did when I was discussing this. I don't think it was always clear exactly how the program worked. From what I had read, the basics of the program were staying essentially the same - that the states had the control over who they covered. The only things, at least from what I saw, that the expansion did was allow the federal government to raise their limit (which states do not have to necessarily comply with, it just gives the states more options), collect more income for the states' programs, and allow more agencies to help decide eligibility. Everything would still essentially be in the states' hands.
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