This country WAS founded on Judeo-Christian
Posted By: values..... do your homework! NM on 2009-06-04
In Reply to: Godless nation....hmmm...(sm) - Just the big bad
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Well, the majority of America claims a Judeo-Christian faith
and being set up as a democracy/Republic the majority view holds. No one is stopping the minority from having their beliefs, but our country was founded on Christian principles, and one of those Christian principles was to allow anyone to practice their religion, but that does not mean we have to mullify our beliefs to appease the minority. Separation of church and state was started to keep the state out of the church and not the church out of the state. Forty-nine of the states start their preambles with God in the title, and to toss all of that aside just to please a very small minority of those who either don't believe in God period or don't believe in a Judeo-Christian God would be beyond ridiculous. Immigrants to this country have to assimilate to our culture. It's not for us to change our culture to accomodate them or any minority religion or race who CHOSES to live in this country. We are a Judeo-Christian founded country no matter what the left in their recent history rewriting campaign tries to tell you. The documentation is there to prove it.
This country was founded by Christians...
form of government founded by Christians, documents authored by Christians...Christians, Christians, Christians. Radical? Perhaps. Christians? Most definitely.
this country was founded on Christianity sm
go back and read your original history books, not the ones they are trying to sanitize and make politically correct. Regardless of the popular belief, this is a Christian nation. Yes we have other religions here but the nation itself was founded on Christianity and the words of the one true God. We are NOT a secular country and I don't care what Obama and the left say, we are a Christian nation.........at least until Obama has anything to do with it and he turns it into a Muslim nation. You may be disappointed then.
This country was founded on the basis of religious freedom.
Actually, the original settlers left England to escape the religious fanatics and create a nation where they were free to believe and practice whatever religion they chose.
The Founding Fathers were not Christians and the country was not founded on Christianity
I hate to disagree with you sam because I usually find you right on the spot about a lot, but this time I do disagree...
One of the most common statements is that the country was “founded on Christian principles by Christian men”. However, research into American history shows this statement is false. The men responsible for building the foundation of the United States had little use for Christianity, and many were strongly opposed to it. They were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity. They were Deists who did not believe the bible was true.
None of the Founding Fathers were atheists. Most of the Founders were Deists, which is to say they thought the universe had a creator, but that he does not concern himself with the daily lives of humans, and does not directly communicate with humans, either by revelation or by sacred books. They spoke often of God, (Nature's God or the God of Nature), but this was not the God of the bible. They did not deny that there was a person called Jesus, and praised him for his benevolent teachings, but they flatly denied his divinity. Most of them were stoutly opposed to the bible, and the teachings of Christianity in particular.
Yes, there were Christian men among the Founders. Just as Congress removed Thomas Jefferson's words that condemned the practice of slavery in the colonies, and altered his wording regarding equal rights increasing its religious overtones.
The Founding Fathers would turn in their graves if the Christian Extremists had their way with this country. The Founders clearly did not heed what was written in the bible. If they were in fact "good" Christians, there would never have been an American Revolution. Here are some statements and quotes.
John Adams – “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."
George Washington – The father of this country was very private about his beliefs, but it is widely considered that he was a Deist like his colleagues. He was a Freemason.
George Washington's practice of Christianity was limited and superficial because he was not himself a Christian. He repeatedly declined the church's sacraments. Never did he take communion, and when his wife, Martha, did, he waited for her outside the sanctuary. Even on his deathbed, Washington asked for no ritual, uttered no prayer to Christ, and expressed no wish to be attended by His representative.
Benjamin Franklin - ". . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."
Thomas Paine – Each of those churches shows certain books, which they call revelation, or the Word of God. The Jews say that their Word of God was given by God to Moses face to face; the Christians say, that their Word of God came by divine inspiration; and the Turks say, that their Word of God (the Koran) was brought by an angel from heaven. Each of those churches accuses the other of unbelief; and, for my own part, I disbelieve them all.
Other founders who were deists...Ethan Allen, James Madison & James Monroe.
Also, when the Constitution was written they wanted to ensure that no single religion make the claim of being the official national religion like England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion exception in exclusionary terms. However, the words “Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God are never mentioned – not even once. The 1796 treaty with Tripoli states that the US was “in no sense founded on the Christian religion”.
America was NOT founded by Christians...sm
The founding fathers were deists, and some would most likely even be considered atheists by today's standards. Either way, they were, above all, *secularists.* They were NOT Christians.
I get so tired of this "America has always been a Christian nation" lie perpetuated by the Christian right. It's more accurate to say that America has always been infested with Christian (and other) relious nut bags who wanted to shove their beliefs down everyone else's throats, and have always tried to use our system of govt. to try to make that happen. That I'll give you.
Oh, and the tired old, "Separation of church and state isn't in the constitution." Anyone can see that the concept is there. Well, not anyone, I guess. You can't see it if you view everything through that nice, thick religious lens that they must hand out at some churches.
As for our government "pulling many laws right out of the Bible" that's pretty funny. You think the Bible is the only place we got that information, and if it wasn't written down in there, we wouldn't know not to do those things? Sorry, but that's just wrong. Humans throughout history have not liked it when other humans murdered, lied, cheated, stole, treated others badly, etc., long before the Bible was ever written. Maybe you haven't noticed that these same laws exist around the world, regardless of their religion, or lack thereof? Christians didn't invent them. But I guess they like to think they did.
The arrogance of Christiantity never ceases to amaze me. And you wonder why there is such animosity towards you.
Just participating in a Christian church does not make you a Christian (sm)
Everyone who goes to a Christian church is not automatically a Christian. Only God knows if you truly are or not. He could easily still have Muslim values and attend a Christian church. Does he? I have NO IDEA. I really don't know. What I DO KNOW is that the Christian church he attended did not teach what God wants to be taught. I know that from the Bible because we are not supposed to preach hate or damnation, yet that is what his minister preached, LOUDLY.
.Sure, O is Christian. His mother was Christian
his father Muslim. In Indonesia, where O spent 4 years, age 7 to 11, he attended a catholic school and received outside the school Islamic teachings.
When he was 12 his mother took him back to the US into the care of her mother and the rest is history......
No. I love the country side in Alabama...I'm a country girl...nm
Yes killing this country - have you been out of the country the last 3 months or so
Don't you have a clue as to what is happening in America? Where have you been? Don't you listen to what is happening or are you still drinking the kool-aid. That time is over. Put the aid down and wake up. The country is being destroyed. These have been the worst 4 months in the history of bad presidents. Foreclosures are on the rise, unemployment is on the rise, 3+ trillion more in deficit and on the rise, companies shutting down, Clinton for SoS. Napolitano - one of the biggest tragedies to happen to America. The list goes on and on and on and on.
Dubya is not in office anymore. You think dubya "pulled the trigger", well the O keeps reloading it and continues to pull the trigger.
I don't see anything Christian in it, either.
It looks like America is becoming a theocracy. I always thought that freedom of religion was one of the greatest things about America. I'm worried it isn't going to exist in a very short time.
The letter you posted is great! Thanks. 
49 out of 55 were CHRISTIAN
From WikiPedia:
Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Some of the 1787 delegates had no affiliation. The others were Protestants except for three Roman Catholics: C. Carroll, D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons. Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Episcopalian, eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists, the total number being 49. Some of the more prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical or vocal about their opposition to organized religion, such as Jefferson. Some of them often related their anti-organized church leanings in their speeches and correspondence, including George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson (who created the "Jefferson Bible"), and Benjamin Franklin. However, notable founders, such as Patrick Henry, were strong proponents of traditional religion. Several of the Founding Fathers considered themselves to be deists or held beliefs very similar to that of deists, including Franklin, Jefferson, and Ethan Allen.[11]
Although not a religion, Freemasonry was represented in John Blair, Benjamin Franklin, James Mchenry, George Washington, Abraham Baldwin, Gunning Bedford, William Blount, David Brearly, Daniel Carroll, Jonathan Dayton, Rufus King, John Langdon, George Read, Roger Sherman, James Madison, Robert Morris, William Paterson, and Charles Pinckney.
Well I am a Christian
and I don't want the lack of morals and judgments in this country forced on me but they are everyday. I can't turn on the t.v., open a magazine, or walk into the mall without seeing sex, violence, drugs, etc.
Even if you don't believe in the Bible or Christ, you cannot argue that this country wouldn't be a better place if people followed the rules and laws that are laid out by Jesus in the new testament.
Christians have been passive far to long in this country. We've sat back while God was pushed out of everything. Well it's high time we stood up and pushed back. Don't tell me the fact that this country has gotten so liberal minded and anti-God and the fact that murders, school shootings, robberies, unwanted pregnancies, drugs, etc have skyrocketed isn't a coincidence.
To christian enough
christian enough for what? You said in one of your posts below that, "I find it especially interesting that black churches cannot be "angry" but white churches are free to do a shout out of the next anti-christ?
Hello? If a black church is preaching hate towards white people, I would call that "angry." If a white church is preaching about the coming of the anti-christ, how is that "angry?" Please tell me. One church is teaching racial hate, the other teaching Bible prophecy. Please tell me what you mean?
I dont know what kind of church you have been to, but it must not have been a good experience. God talks about the need for church in the Bible. We are supposed to worship him, keep the sabbath holy and all of that. You seem very sarcastic when you speak of Christianity. I hope that your sister is praying for you.
You are a Christian?
Judy, I am not being ugly here, but reading this post it sounds like you claim to be a Christian and then I read the ugly statements you posted yesterday and it just floors me.
How can someone who says they vote based on the Bible talk and act that way. That brings shame on the church and its members, which I was taught in my Bible is wrong.
A Christian is supposed to be tolerant of others and not judgmental of others.
As a Christian, it is a lot to me actually...nm
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How very Christian of you!
Is that what they teach you in Sunday school?
He's just as much a Christian
as Jeremiah Wright is!
A Christian according to you
is 'mentally disturbed', but a gay living a deviant lifestyle is perfectly normal and in the right?! Being gay is a mental disorder in itself. I think you know where you can put your stick, although you'd probably like that.
What lie? He said he's Christian.
him being Muslim, convince yourselves and those voices in your head that he is Muslim and then say he's lying about being Christian.
America is supposed to have freedom of religion. I don't care what his faith is. He's not my pastor. He's my president.
As a Christian..
I don't even like to use the terms homosexual, heterosexual, gay, straight or any other such term to describe a sexual behavior which is what all these are. I'm female myself and my sexual behavior is my business. People would assume that because I'm with a man that I'm "heteroseuxal" and they would be correct. However, I do not describe myself as heterosexual. As a Christian, I believe that's a behavior and not a lifestyle. sex is a behavior, regardless of whether your male, female, or animal. Not all forms of sexual behavior are acceptable. But it is quicker to type out "homosexual" than it is to type out "people who engage in sinful, dysfunctional, disgusting behavior." But I actually choose to not even acknowledge the terms homosexual, heterosexual, gay, straight, etc. as these are simply behaviors, just as you label someone who steals as a thief, someone who sells their body for sex as a prostitute and so on. That is why homosexuals demand "tolerance" but, since the country already tolerates these people, what they really want is "acceptance" and since I can't accept homosexuality as wonderful and good, I in turn cannot accept homosexuals as wonderful and good. Homosexual/homosexuality. They go hand in hand.
As the Christian you say you are...
didn't you ever learn not to judge your fellow man? It is not very Christian to be calling someone "dysfunctional and disgusting." I do believe He taught us to love our fellow man, and I don't think he specifically limited that to the ones we agree with.
As a Christian myself
I don't condone that lifestyle and I'm against same sex marriage. However, I do not see where ones listening to the music of a gay man is showing acceptance of that lifestyle.
Christian beliefs. sm
Then, I suppose my next question would be, why do posters who do not agree with how boards are handled and who do not agree with the political spirit continue to come here? And my second question would be why, with two boards, posters could not have maintained their thoughts to those boards. Objectively, I believe that is why TWO boards were set up. The people you seem to have the biggest problem with made a pact not to come here. They kept that pact. By the way, I see sickness of spirit on both sides. There were occasions on the other board when posters were were wished death and to burn in hell. Would you fight back against that? Personally, I would have left then. Both of these boards are a mess. And it solves nothing to sit here and talk about posters who will no longer be here. Move on.
A christian, hun?? I dont think so
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OMG, you used the word Christian! SM
Run!!!!! By the way, I totally agree. But they have to give it little names like fetus and things to keep from admitting it is a human being that God has helped create. Whatever floats their boat.
The Christian right isn't political at all. sm
There are many Democrats who belong to the Christian right. I am not sure why you feel politicizing religion is so important, but I realize how important labels are to you. It's unfortunate. Jimmy Carter just recently came out and spoke against the Democratic party for abandoning God. If Christians feel they have to place to turn but the *right*, whose fault is that? Pat Robertson doesn't speak for me. However, he is a good man and a Christian man. As far as calling for an assassination that's bogus and was taken out of context and anyone who cared to do their research would know that. But it's just way more convenient and fits into the left's philosophy to damn him to hell. THERE' s the left for you.
Democrat plus Christian
I resent you stating that Democrats are trying to get Christians mad. Do you not believe that there are Democrats that are Christians? I was born in a Christian Democrat family, all my relatives are Christian Democrats. If you are a Christian does not mean you have to automatically be Republican. This is a falsehood that actually I have only seen happening in the last 10 years or so. Believe me, there are plenty liberal Christian Democrats out there that are quite tired of Republicans giving the impression they are the only true Christians.
Ok here is a better example...my father is Christian
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Jon Christian Ryter
By Jon Christian Ryter
McCain's "Palin" decision has already cost him the election.
Even though thousands of conservatives who had previously decided to sit out the Election of 2008 but have done an about face because GOP presumptive nominee John McCain picked Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, either the Election of 2008 or the fate of the 2nd Amendment may have been decided shortly before noon on Aug. 29 even though the voters will not officially speak until Tues., Nov. 4, 2008.
To appease radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh and the evangelical leaders who opposed former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney because of—they claimed—his fuzzy view on abortion (when their unspoken opposition to Romney was really based from his Mormon faith), and Sen. John McCain's staff who surmised that the liberal Hillary Clinton-feminists who balked at supporting pro-abortion Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama (with whom they agree) would support a conservative pro-life, pro-gun, first term governor (with whom they vehemently disagree) just because she is a woman.
![](http://www.jonchristianryter.com/IMAGE/Palin1.jpg") This was the same type of mistake President George Herbert Walker Bush made in 1992 when he "courted" Ross Perot supporters. They were Ross Perot supporters because they had already made a conscious-decision not to be George Bush supporters. And, the Hillary Clinton supporters are Hillary Clinton supporters because they rejected the core tenets of the Republican Party. In other words, the wayward female Clinton supporters won't vote for a woman just because she's a woman. Many of the Clinton supporters who would have voted for left-of-center John McCain will not vote for him specifically because he added prolife Gov. Sarah Palin [R-AK] to his ticket.
McCain knew he was taking a calculated risk in naming Palin simply because she is virtually unknown to voters in the continuous 48-States. Furthermore, like Obama, she is completely untested on both the national and international stage. But even more important, like Hillary Clinton who unconstitutionally sought the office of President, Palin is also constitutionally ineligible to run or, be elected to, or serve as, Vice President of the United States because of the provisions of Article II of the Constitution.
Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution appears to establish only four ironclad qualifications for the job as President of the United States. The president must [1] be at least 35-years of age, [2] must be a natural born citizen and [3] have lived in the United States at least 14 years. And, finally, 18 times Article II reiterates that the President of the United States will be a man. What that means is that not only could Hillary Rodham Clinton not seek the office of President of the United States without Congress first adopting a constitutional amendment degenderizing the office of President, but Gov. Sarah Palin cannot seek the office of Vice President for the same reason. The Vice President is one heartbeat away from the office of President. Logic suggests that, constitutionally, since a woman cannot be President she cannot be Vice President either because the job of the Vice President is to be prepared to step into the Oval Office as President should anything happen to the commander-in-chief/head-of-state.
The news that McCain picked a virtually unknown running mate came on the heels of reports that the two key front-runners for the job—Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney—confirmed to the media that neither made the final round. Former Washington Times reporter and Fox News Deputy News Director Bill Sammon correctly guessed that Palin would be McCain's choice several weeks ago. The McCain camp would not only not confirm he was right, but pooh-poohed the notion as "premature" when he tried to get a confirmation.
Palin was picked not only because she was a woman but, in 2006 when the Democrats swept both Houses of Congress and took the governor's mansions in several States, Palin orchestrated the stunning upset of two popular Alaska political figures. First she knocked off former four term US Senator and first term GOP Alaska Gov. Frank Murkowski in the primary. Palin was involved in a three-way race for the GOP gubernatorial nomination. ![](http://www.jonchristianryter.com/IMAGE/Palin2.jpg") She took 51% of the vote, bowling over both Murkowski and former State legislator John Binkley. Former governor Tony Knowles won the Democratic primary with 74% of the vote. Palin defeated Knowles in the general election. Knowles fully expected a cakewalk in the November, 2006 election. After all, his opponent was the former mayor of Wasilla, Alaska—and a former local beauty queen, Miss Wasilla. Knowles should have know better. Palin earned the nickname "Sarah Barracuda" in high school because in athletics—as in politics—she was extremely aggressive.
When Palin's name was first bantered as a possible GOP veep candidate she told the Washington Post that her being picked by the presumptive GOP nominee as vice president was "an impossibility," even though the idea of serving in national office intrigued her.
When she answered Kudlow & Company Larry Kudlow's question about the possibility of her being picked as McCain's running mate a month ago, she said: "As for the VP talk...I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I'm used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we're trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the US, before I can even start addressing that question."
![](http://www.jonchristianryter.com/IMAGE/Palin_Vogue.jpg") But as good as she sounds—and as good as she looks—the only pick that would have been worse for McCain would have been Condolessa Rice or Kay Bailey Hutchinson—or Tom Ridge or Jeb Bush. But the entire blogsphere knows that while feminists will vote for a woman as vice president as long as she's on the Democratic ticket, they won't vote for one on the GOP ticket. At least, not with enough votes to bring the victory home to the GOP. Because in the conservative world, mom's "house" is home, not Congress—and it's certainly not a cozy pink Oval Office in the White House.
McCain's people should have gone back and looked at the 1984 presidential election results. The Democratic ticket that year consisted of former VP Walter Mondale for President and former Congresswoman Geraldine Ferraro for Veep. Ferraro made history by becoming the first woman at the top of a national party ticket when it was prohibited by the Constitution. While Reagan and Bush-41 took 54,455,472 votes against Mondale and Ferraro's 37,577,352 votes, Mondale took only one State—Minnesota in the worst political upset since 1820 when James Monroe took all but 1 electoral vote from John Quincy Adams. The voters flatly repudiated the notion of a woman Vice President in 1984—and most of them were not even aware that the Constitution mandates that the President of the United States—and those in line to become President—be male.
Christian beliefs
The Lord's Prayer:
...Thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven....
This is a Christian prayer, for those of you who are unfamiliar. There is nothing radical about what she is saying. She is a faithful Christian woman.
HITLER WAS A CHRISTIAN.....
The separation of church and state is a legal and political principle derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...." The phrase "separation of church and state" which does not appear in the Constitution itself, is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, where Jefferson spoke of the combined effect of Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. It has since been quoted in several opinions handed down by the United States Supreme Court.
Wikipedia - Separation of Church and State United States
http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian.htm
If he ever was a Christian, he certainly renounced it....
Nice try tho.
Was Hitler a Christian?
The claim is sometimes made that Hitler was a Christian - a Roman Catholic until the day he died. In fact, Hitler rejected Christianity.
The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:
National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday:
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday:
The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night:
The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.
21st October, 1941, midday:
Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight:
Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)
14th December, 1941, midday:
Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)
9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)
27th February, 1942, midday:
It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)
That is their intrepretation. Those words DO NOT appear in the Constitution of the United States. There are just as many opinions that that is not what was meant by the letter. Bottom line...they are NOT a part of the Constitution.
again why do i have to repeat this over and over WHO SAID IM CHRISTIAN!
IVE NEVER said that and in fact in my first post said "not all people against gay marriage are christian".
sacred to me means something i believe strongly in no matter what "faith" has to do with it, sorry you have nothing like that
What kind of Christian
I have been a Christian my entire life. I was raised in the Southern Baptist church, but branched out when I started studying theology on my own and not taking what I was told in church at face value.
The church I belong to, a congregation of PC-USA, considers itself pretty radical. Not all Christians are evangelical in theology. Jesus was a bit of a radical too. Lots of us are Obama supporters, but there are McCain supporters as well. Thing is, we don't question each others Christianity because of the way someone votes. Isn't really a Christian thing to do.
I see nothing wrong with keeping religion out of the government, and I actually prefer it that way.
I am not radical because I am a Christian....
You need to do your homework and stop believing things you know nothing about.
My Bible teaches to love everyone, even those that hate you. The Muslim Qur'an teaches hate, hate, hate, to hate anyone who is not Muslim and to pray for their demise and they pray daily for only themselves, not others. All men are not created equal under Islam, according to their teaching. They believe that even their own people who may be handicapped are not equal to them. They believe in different levels of human value.
You know nothing of what you speak because if you did, you would realize my faith is NOTHING like that.
All I know is as a Christian, I can't image
why the phrase "Muslim faith" would even come into my response when asked about my religion. His true beliefs came out ringing clear as a bell and that's when I said okay, enough, this guy is definitely not my president.
"I'm a Christian, so I'm a Republican"
I was talking to somebody yesterday who wanted to go to the McCain rally here... I said why, she said because she was a Republican, I said, well, there's your mistake right there (in a joking manner) and she said (not joking!!) Well, I'm a Christian so I'm a Republican.
Does anyone else ever think that the real values cited by Christ (love, compassion, etc.) are better embodied by liberal policy these days? I'm just watching all of the hate-mongering, the intolerance, the lying... if I were a Christian Republican I'd be ashamed to call myself such. I'm not religious myself, but I love studying religion, and it boggles my mind how hateful and intolerant and just plain mean and ignorant some of these people are.
(Though just to note -- I am not bashing Christianity here. Just confused that those who believe they hold themselves to a higher moral standard because they are Christians can also ally themselves to this political and social party. The crazy ones, who I do believe are the minority, give those sane and good and actually moral Christians a bad name, in my opinion.)
He is Christian but I am Muslim and I have to tell you.....
There are wonderful muslims just like there are wonderful Christians. Then there are those Christians who bomb abortion clinics. There is Timothy McVeigh who was a Christian. Obama is not a muslim, but what if he were? I think you are racist. Be ashamed.
Christian Terrorists
Christian terrorism is religious terrorism by groups or individuals, the motivation of which is typically rooted in an idiosyncratic interpretation of the Bible and other Christian tenets of faith. From the viewpoint of the terrorist, Christian scripture and theology provide justification for violent political activities.
Abortion clinics have been frequent targets of violence. Christian anti-abortion terrorists and terrorist organizations include the Army of God, The Lambs of Christ, Clayton Waagner, Mike Bray, James Kopp, Paul Jennings Hill and Eric Robert Rudolph.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
Saying you are a Christian does not make you one. If your...
life does not reflect your declaration, your declaration is just words. The Bible says in the last days there will be a lot of declarations...and that we should know them by their actions. Pretty simple really.
the definition of Christian
would be one that "follows" Christ -- by his example, his commands, etc. these creeps are NOT Christians by any way of measure.
Hitler was a Christian
Anyone, of any faith can be a threat, but it is much easier to pick on the black man and say he is a muslim to hope to get votes to your side. Makes me ill!
Because I am a Christian, not a bigot, and do not appreciate
on my behalf, especially when it comes to defending condemnation of other religions. I find it highly offensive and have posted my opinion, just as you have. Your "reality" is not shared by as many as you would imagine. I focus my faith on the positive teaching...love thy neighbor, do unto others and the like...and leave religion out of stirring up division between the peoples of the earth.
Muslim? Christian?
PLEASANTVILLE, Iowa (CNN) -– Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was asked about his "Muslim background" by a potential voter at a coffee shop Saturday, and used the encounter as an opportunity to try to put to rest stories that he said had been "misreported."
Obama joined a group of four women in a booth to eat some pumpkin pie and sip a cup of tea. One of the women asked him how his "Muslim background" would affect his decisions as president.
"This is something that keeps on being misreported, so I’m glad you asked me," Obama, who is Christian, said.
He told them his father had lived in a Muslim-dominated village in Kenya, but “didn’t practice Islam."
"Truth is, he wasn’t very religious,” said Obama. “He met my mother. My mother was a Christian from Kansas, and they married, and then divorced. I was raised by my mother. So I’ve always been a Christian."
He also touched on the fact that he lived in the Muslim country of Indonesia for four years of his childhood.
"I didn’t practice [Islam]," Obama continued, but added that being in that area had given him "insight into how these folks think."
Just before being pulled away from the table by a staffer, Obama told the women he had been a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ for the past 15 years.
My question is:
How can a child whose father is a nonpracticing Muslim, devorced from the mother, a Christian, and far away, become a practicing Muslim, when it is raised in the west? It cannot.
Some posters say that O's mother was an 'atheist'?? That's the first time I hear this.
She was a Christian and they, mother and grandmother, raised O as a Christian.
Oh please, Obama Christian?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn-P3yAaAqI
Obama mocks the Bible. No christian would mock Sermon on the Mount.
Wolf in sheep's clothing. BEWARE, VERY DISTURBING. Take it with a grain of salt. Talks about the future mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9P15YZrnv0&feature=related
You call yourself a christian?
Name calling? I call it being hypocritical.
So have all the other Christian presidents, nm
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Anyone can use Christian references....sm
That does not mean they are Christian. In fact, some atheists are able to quote chapter and verse quite well....twisted though their interpretation may be.
I agree with sbMT. Nothing I have seen of Obama has convinced me that he is a Christian, and I don't say that in way of being judgmental. I say it in way of discernment. As sbMT pointed out, you will know the tree by the fruit it bears.
Christ as in Christian
tells us this behavior is "abominable." Dysfunctional and disgusting is in the same category. Saying something is disgusting or bad or wrong is not judging. It's stating a fact. Tell me how to love my fellow man who insists on being labeled as a sinful behavior that I'm required to hate. Hate the sin, love the sinner doesn't fly in the homosexual community. Can we hate murder but love the murderer? Can we hate stealing but love the thief? Tell us all how to do that when it's hard to separate the two, especially if someone wants to be labeled as a particular sin. Impossible, I say.
Oh Patty! I also am a Christian and sm
I also know that homosexuality is against God's word and is WRONG. BUT to say that no-one is being killed over this, is living in a tunnel! There have been many stories of murders of folks just because they are homosexual.
To me, the worst example of this is the bunch out in Kanasas that go by the name of Westboro Baptist Church and the Rev. Fred Phelps! If this group could get away with murder, they would. But, I don't consider them a church at all, at least not a church as the Bible talks about, let alone a Baptist church. Tehy are nothing more than a hate group like the KKK hiding behind a church sign. This group brings shame and reproach upon teh name and the cause of Christ.
Please wake-up Patty, there are homosexuals being killed every day just because they are homosexual!
BTW, to open up a real hornest nest, I am the mother of a 35 year old gay son. I don't agree with him either and he knows it and in no way would I support his lifestyle choice. But I also don't want him murdered because he is living this way either.
I listened to your posts until you said "give us a break, you are breaking my heart." That head-in-the-sand attitude really breaks my heart. These posters are not making this up, many many stories of folks being murdered because they are homosexual.
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