This board is turning ugly

• This board is turning ugly - Dee
  • Timothy McVeigh - Dee
    • No...it has to do with the fact - sm
    • Aah, don't get stuck on color here.... Terrorists - are white also and sm
  • Don't forget - gourdpainter
  • Oh, get off your high horse.... I'm sure you - sm
    • If I have something to say... - Dee
      • Racial predjucide......... - please see inside
        • I have seen this and I do think his minister is prejudiced (sm) - MeMT
          • And Obama calls this man his political father, his - surrogate father, the man
      • Who is dense.......hmmmmmmmm - sm
        • Show me one single thing in your post that is not - prjudiced, bigoted or racist....sm
          • How lame you are - sm
            • This post further reinforces exactly what I said. - So much ignorance, such little time...sm
              • My, what a lively life you've had but - sm
              • Too bad you don't know how to put things in - the past.....you live in it.......NM
              • He said he was conceived BECAUSE the Selma - march had already happened......NM
        • trust you? - shelly
          • I never said I was racist.....you did - make you feel better?
            • who said u had to say it? It is quite apparent! - TTC
              • I'm waiting........big talker - nm
              • Name me one thing I said that was racist, other - than not agreeing with you.
        • "all Muslims"??? - Dee
          • I don't look to Colin Powell as my "leader" - nm
          • Last time I checked, Christian Bibles do not - say...........sm
          • You go, Dee!! nm - MeMT
        • You are missing the entire point. How sad. nm - MeMT
          • You're stuck on names instead of facts - NM
            • I just think the names are unnecessary. nm - MeMT
              • Then why aren't you telling that to the poster - who said them? NM
                • I can't, because they choose to remain nameless - MeMT
                  • Huh? Two of the posters are directly below - don't know how you missed them
    • Those types of words are unnecessary and actually ARE racist words. sm - MeMT
      • Sorry to burst your bubble - sm
        • It totally suits me - Dee
          • Then we agree that Obama and Rev Wright are - racists? right? nm
          • And I don't suppose "Great White West" - is racist? MSMT
        • how dense are u? - shelly
          • Did you miss something? - for your money........nm
          • i've seen plenty of comments - on this board
        • I am able to see what is truly racist and what is not. I am tired of everything (sm) - MeMT
          • I think a lot of it has more to do with - TTer2
            • I agree, I was responding to some of the ugly remarks made below nm - MeMT
          • Depends on what you call racist I suppose - anything that's against Obama
            • I am not voting for Obama. Are you really that ignorant? nm - MeMT
              • Are you? Harp on Obama's racist associations - and we'll talk..........nm
                • Not really interested in talking to you. nm - MeMT
                  • Of course not....you would have to explain Obama's - racial baiting and you can't nm
                    • And the reason I don't really want to talk to you is (sm) - MeMT
                      • I believe YOU were concerned about racism... - what's YOUR point?
                      • You're so far off the mark.......... - pull your head out of the sand nm
                        • Try making some sense. What is your point? nm - MeMT
                    • I am addressing racism in general & some of the racial words that were used on this board earlier (s - MeMT
                      • Excuse me, those words didn't come from - my POSTS....get your facts straight!!!!
  • You are right - TTer2

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Wouldn't you say the mindset of the young depends on the conditions and need for the war?  That is what I was alluding to.  In condemning this generation with their lack of morals you are also condemning soldiers in Iraq, I assume?  My belief is that if this country ever found itself in a dire situation that our young people would respond as needed.  Call me an optimist.  I cannot condemn a whole generation based on my version of what is moral and what isn't.  I would say sending soldiers to die in an unnecessary war is immoral.  Lack of care for our country's poor and sick is immoral.  Little kids starving in our country is immoral.  Our treatment of minorities and your condemntation of all liberals is immoral.  I believe that not only is abortion immoral, but many other things, too.  You may also blindly support our military, no matter what it is sent to do.  I don't.  I'm not a fool.  I would not have supported our military slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Native Americans in the 1800s, or supporting the slavery trade indirectly.  I would have applauded and supported any soldier who went AWOL, any demonstration against this military action.  Unlike you.

But you see, I have common sense.  I cannot argue or debate with  someone who doesn't have it.  You have a blinding anger toward Democrats and liberals.  You have no use for the truth.   I am sure this is not the first time you have been told this.

The rest of your post is so twisted and lacking common sense, even to insulting a person for reading books (heavens, we wouldn't want to educate ourselves -- another fear of the conservative posters) that it isn't worth my time to answer.

Please read Lurker's post.  You will deny it's accuracy, I'm sure.

As far as Ann Coulter, someone posted that the liberals had written and said terrible things also.  Indeed they have.  But Ann's article was posted on the conservative board as a fine and shining example of conservative wit and intelligence.  In reality, it was one of the smuttiest and sickening things I have read in a long time.  I don't recall any liberal posters crowing over such liberal trash on this board.  They seem to be a pretty moral group over all, and a group that's got a lot of common sense, most of all.

You have a need to twist and turn the truth and you appear to have little common sense or ability to see the big picture as far as humanity is concerned.  This may explain why you appear to have little to do with your time other than post incessantly and lengthily on a board where you are only interested in passive-aggressive attacks under the pretense of "trying to understand." 

As far as your post where you perseverate to almost a frightening degree regarding my comment on your "rightwing rags" -- you know exactly what I'm referring to.  Just your comment alone about all the soldiers supporting the war and your questioning the poster about where they heard that some soldiers do not support this war --- that's a prime example.  A year or two ago when you'd post you'd simply cut and paste lengthy quotes from those right-wing publications I refer to. 

Don't know why I'm having to tell you this.  I'm having to play your game and that's not a good idea as your rules aren't fair, or truthful some of the time.

Funny how people like to apply today's current political issues to 25 year ago.  Are you old enough to remember our relations with Iran around 1979 and 1980?  The Ayatollah took over and during the 80s they expressed an interest in obtaining nuclear weapons.  So, we had to choose the lesser of 2 evils, Iraq.  You know, last time I checked the world has been fresh out of crystal balls for a very long time.  You like to live in a hindsight is 20/20 world. 

wraps herself up in the Bible and Jesus is her *special friend* and just gives her a wink and a nod every time she does something heinous.  At least that's what she herself said in a post not long ago.  (Aggressive denial by her to follow, I'm sure, like she lies about everything else.)

It's obvious that none of these people have Jesus in their hearts because there's no room for love and peace and truth in those jaded, hateful, dishonest, angry people.  I wonder if they even have a hint of how laughable they really are!  LOL! 

Ugly Bennett

Hit on 'abort every black baby' gaffe

By CORKY SIEMASZKO DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

William Bennett Morality maven William Bennett was in holier-than-thou hell yesterday after the White House and just about everybody else blasted him for saying the crime rate could be reduced by aborting every black baby in this country. The best-selling author of The Book of Virtues insisted he was no racist and refused to apologize. I was putting forward a hypothetical proposition, Bennett said on his Morning in America radio show. But the Bush administration quickly distanced itself from the cultural conservative. The President believes the comments were not appropriate, White House press secretary Scott McClellan said. While Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid and other Democrats demanded that Bennett apologize, NAACP chief Bruce Gordon said he was personally offended and angry that Bennett felt he could make such a public statement with impunity. The Rev. Al Sharpton called the conservative's comments blatantly racist. He's a man who thinks black and crime are synonymous, he said. But Bennett was defended by his brother, high-powered Washington lawyer Robert Bennett. What I would emphasize is that he called this morally reprehensible, the lawyer told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. I think it's largely making a mountain out of a molehill. Responding to a caller on Wednesday's radio program, Bennett said he disagreed with the hypothesis put forward in another best seller, Freakonomics, that crime goes down as abortions go up. But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could, if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down, said Bennett. Bennett, a Republican who opposes abortion, then added that this would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. Freakonomics: A Rogue Economist Explores the Hidden Side of Everything links the drop in crime to a drop in the number of children born into poverty after Roe vs. Wade legalized abortion. But authors Steven Levitt and Stephen Dubner did not assume that those aborted fetuses would have been black. Race is not in any way central to our arguments about abortion and crime, Levitt wrote on his blog yesterday. The Brooklyn-reared Bennett was education secretary under President Ronald Reagan and the nation's first drug czar under the first President George Bush. A darling of the religious right, Bennett's credentials as moralizer-in-chief were tarnished two years ago when he admitted he had a gambling problem. Dumb's the word What William Bennett said: But I do know that it’s true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could, if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. Originally published on September 30, 2005

Reality check!        link:  http://www.truthout.org/032109A

Some Truths About Guantanamo Bay

Tuesday 17 March 2009

by: Lawrence Wilkerson  |  Visit article original @ The Washington Note

 The first of these is the utter incompetence of the battlefield vetting in Afghanistan during the early stages of the U.S. operations there. Simply stated, no meaningful attempt at discrimination was made in-country by competent officials, civilian or military, as to who we were transporting to Cuba for detention and interrogation.

    This was a factor of having too few troops in the combat zone, of the troops and civilians who were there having too few people trained and skilled in such vetting, and of the incredible pressure coming down from Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and others to "just get the bastards to the interrogators".

    It did not help that poor U.S. policies such as bounty-hunting, a weak understanding of cultural tendencies, and an utter disregard for the fundamentals of jurisprudence prevailed as well (no blame in the latter realm should accrue to combat soldiers as this it not their bailiwick anyway).

    The second dimension that is largely unreported is that several in the U.S. leadership became aware of this lack of proper vetting very early on and, thus, of the reality that many of the detainees were innocent of any substantial wrongdoing, had little intelligence value, and should be immediately released.

    But to have admitted this reality would have been a black mark on their leadership from virtually day one of the so-called Global War on Terror and these leaders already had black marks enough: the dead in a field in Pennsylvania, in the ashes of the Pentagon, and in the ruins of the World Trade Towers. They were not about to admit to their further errors at Guantanamo Bay. Better to claim that everyone there was a hardcore terrorist, was of enduring intelligence value, and would return to jihad if released. I am very sorry to say that I believe there were uniformed military who aided and abetted these falsehoods, even at the highest levels of our armed forces.

Reality check!        link:  http://www.truthout.org/032109A

Some Truths About Guantanamo Bay

Tuesday 17 March 2009

by: Lawrence Wilkerson  |  Visit article original @ The Washington Note

 The first of these is the utter incompetence of the battlefield vetting in Afghanistan during the early stages of the U.S. operations there. Simply stated, no meaningful attempt at discrimination was made in-country by competent officials, civilian or military, as to who we were transporting to Cuba for detention and interrogation.

    This was a factor of having too few troops in the combat zone, of the troops and civilians who were there having too few people trained and skilled in such vetting, and of the incredible pressure coming down from Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and others to "just get the bastards to the interrogators".

    It did not help that poor U.S. policies such as bounty-hunting, a weak understanding of cultural tendencies, and an utter disregard for the fundamentals of jurisprudence prevailed as well (no blame in the latter realm should accrue to combat soldiers as this it not their bailiwick anyway).

    The second dimension that is largely unreported is that several in the U.S. leadership became aware of this lack of proper vetting very early on and, thus, of the reality that many of the detainees were innocent of any substantial wrongdoing, had little intelligence value, and should be immediately released.

    But to have admitted this reality would have been a black mark on their leadership from virtually day one of the so-called Global War on Terror and these leaders already had black marks enough: the dead in a field in Pennsylvania, in the ashes of the Pentagon, and in the ruins of the World Trade Towers. They were not about to admit to their further errors at Guantanamo Bay. Better to claim that everyone there was a hardcore terrorist, was of enduring intelligence value, and would return to jihad if released. I am very sorry to say that I believe there were uniformed military who aided and abetted these falsehoods, even at the highest levels of our armed forces.

Reality check!        link:  http://www.truthout.org/032109A

Some Truths About Guantanamo Bay

Tuesday 17 March 2009

by: Lawrence Wilkerson  |  Visit article original @ The Washington Note

 The first of these is the utter incompetence of the battlefield vetting in Afghanistan during the early stages of the U.S. operations there. Simply stated, no meaningful attempt at discrimination was made in-country by competent officials, civilian or military, as to who we were transporting to Cuba for detention and interrogation.

    This was a factor of having too few troops in the combat zone, of the troops and civilians who were there having too few people trained and skilled in such vetting, and of the incredible pressure coming down from Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and others to "just get the bastards to the interrogators".

    It did not help that poor U.S. policies such as bounty-hunting, a weak understanding of cultural tendencies, and an utter disregard for the fundamentals of jurisprudence prevailed as well (no blame in the latter realm should accrue to combat soldiers as this it not their bailiwick anyway).

    The second dimension that is largely unreported is that several in the U.S. leadership became aware of this lack of proper vetting very early on and, thus, of the reality that many of the detainees were innocent of any substantial wrongdoing, had little intelligence value, and should be immediately released.

    But to have admitted this reality would have been a black mark on their leadership from virtually day one of the so-called Global War on Terror and these leaders already had black marks enough: the dead in a field in Pennsylvania, in the ashes of the Pentagon, and in the ruins of the World Trade Towers. They were not about to admit to their further errors at Guantanamo Bay. Better to claim that everyone there was a hardcore terrorist, was of enduring intelligence value, and would return to jihad if released. I am very sorry to say that I believe there were uniformed military who aided and abetted these falsehoods, even at the highest levels of our armed forces.

post, I know that Jesus is real and that He not only gives someone a new heart but a new mind, a mind not corrupted by the world as the majority of the minds are of you who responded here with your attacks.  Of course, you think you are attacking me, some of you on a very personal level, not even knowing who I am, asking such a stupid question as to whether I have children or even suggesting sending brown envelopes filled with feces to people like me. 

I don’t know who you are either, but I can tell you that I pray God forgive you for your blindness and hate just as He forgave me when I surrendered my life to Him. 

This post is not about me.  It is about innocent life, life that never asks to be born, defenseless life that no matter the circumstances of conception is holy and valued in the eyes of its Creator.  For everyone of YOU reading this, someone gave you a chance at life.  That is more than 50 million aborted babies and counting have had.  Their lives have been snuffed out before they had a chance for life, liberty, and the pursuit of justice.  They have been murdered for convenience and a lack of responsibility.  We all have choices in life, and yes, responsibility does begin with conception.  Even a baby conceived in a rape has the same right to life as any other.  It didn’t have a choice as to its parentage or the circumstances of its conception.

The Red Envelope Project is to protest millions more innocent babies being murdered across the globe using U. S. taxpayer monies.  Woe to you if you support this administration’s unbridled hatred of innocent lives. 

I do put my money where my mouth is by working with pregnant women in my community, giving of my time, talents, energy, and financial resources in giving them an alternative to abortion.  Many have become pregnant under the most awful circumstances imaginable to the human mind.  Yet, these women are far more courageous than most of you who call us terrorists because we want to protect life.  In fact, these women are thankful that there are those of us who are willing to sacrifice for them so that their babies have a chance at life.  Not even the most vile of you on this board can take away the profound satisfaction and love we have of defending and protecting the most innocent among us.  When I see a mother look into the face of her baby and know that she has chosen life, whether she has decided to raise her baby or to give it up for adoption, then I know that all my time, talents, energy, and financial resources have gone into and been made to that which is worthy and glorifies my Lord, and another child has been born who will have an opportunity to become all that God created him or her to be. 

Someone made a choice of life for you.  Why would you want to deny that for another innocent baby?  Why would you want to support an evil president who celebrates death instead of life?