These same conditions have existed for centuries. Don't blame it on conservatives.
Posted By: - on 2005-09-23
In Reply to: Yes, tragic, isn't it? - Apparently compassionate--sm
Please. Let's be realistic. Through various and sundry administrations the same exact conditions have existed. Do you think they just cropped up under Bush or that only Bush fails to sanction these countries? It just isn't so.
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Don't think you can blame it all at the feet of conservatives....
runaway social programs are certainly not the fault of conservatives...raiding of social security was not done by conservatives...Democrats did that. You can't blame the moral relativism of today on conservatives either. Pre-emptive war was also something started by Democrats (Viet Nam). Democrats kept blacks from having the vote until the 1960's. So please...let's not try to blame EVERYTHING on conservatives...because that is a crock. No one group of people got us where we are today. It was definitely a combined effort.
SCHIP and pre-existing conditions....
Found this on the CMS website:
Other rules that affect which services are to be covered under SCHIP:
Abortion services may only be provided to save the life of the mother, or to terminate a pregnancy resulting from an act of rape or incest.
In general, states can not permit the implementation of preexisting condition exclusions.
If SCHIP plans provide coverage through group health plans, preexisting condition exclusions are permitted only in so far as HIPAA rules allow.
This is what I found about HIPAA and preexisting conditions:
The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA), effective July 1, 1997, provides certain protections for people who have preexisting medical conditions. A preexisting condition is any medical condition that a person has before being enrolled in an insurance plan.
This law helps protect your health insurance benefits by:
limiting exclusion periods for preexisting conditions;
lowering your chances of losing your existing coverage or of being discriminated against because of your health;
providing protections for you when you change jobs;
allowing you and your dependents special enrollment rights under your employer's health plan under certain circumstances.
I cannot find anything relating to the cost of covering a child with a pre-existing condition in private insurance.......there are a multitude of sites where you can do the "get a quote" thing...but I don't find anything that gives cost or even estimated cost up front. I will look around some more when I have more time.
Pre-existing health conditions
The idea that Obama can force insurance companies to cover pre-existing health conditions is ludicrous. My husband and I pay for our own health insurance, keeping it at the bare minimum and basically, it doesn't cover much of anything except the big things. Doctor's office visits, prescriptions, we're on our own. Why do we have it? Because we CAN'T wait until we're diagnosed with cancer or diabetes. If Obama was able to force insurers to cover pre-existing conditions, I'd drop my insurance immediately and wait until I really needed it.
It would be a lot like not having to have car insurance until you have a wreck - then go out and buy a policy the next day.
How stupid does he think the American people are? Is anyone buying this tripe?
whether or not the word existed
abortion did exist then, and it was never mentioned in any of the known texts.
Nana, are you aware of the conditions in Iraq? sm
Millions of people have lost their lives, lost their limbs, lost their livelihoods, lost their families, lost their electricity, lost their water, lost their homes, etc,, etc. In short they were "shocked and awed" a number of years ago for no good reason whatsoever. What kind of people and society allow children to go homeless and hungry???? You tell me.
I was actually going to make sure such a letter existed...
even murderers get innocent until proven guilty. Attack, attack, attack....sheesh.
Question about SCHIP and children with pre-existing conditions
I don't have children, but do have pre-existing conditions and pay an obscene amount for health insurance coverage. My questions are these: 1. Does SCHIP cover children with pre-existing conditions? 2. Can a person/family secure private sector insurance if their child has pre-existing conditions, and if so the approximate cost of coverage?
I didn't even know he existed 'til a few weeks ago,
mentioned him. Still know little to nothing about him, and wouldn't recognize him if he were standing 3 feet away from me. Not that that's a bad thing, or anything, but I would take that to mean that his message isn't being heard, and as a result, it would seem rather fruitless to waste a vote on him. The other 2 candidates are going to be running full-tilt, right down to the wire, and EACH of them is going to need every vote they can get in order to win without another Florida-esque hanging-chad fiasco like before.
The fact that interracial children existed...
...doesn't change the fact that interracial marriage was against the law, which was the main point I was trying to make in describing how far (most of) our country has come.
Don't blame Obama for the coins...blame the Franklin Mint!
The Franklin Mint has an entire series of presidential coins that are tacky and cheap looking just like everything else they manufacture.
I've been reading up on you creatures. Never even knew you existed before
reading this thread. (Haven't been visiting these boards that long). You seem to proudly wear the title like some kind of badge. From what I've read, those of your ilk are involved in all sorts of deceptive practices. Doesn't sound like much to be proud of, but it explains a lot regarding your frequent aversion to the truth and your relentless intrusion on this board.
I read an interesting article about you entitled, God Sees The Freepers. http://www.apj.us/20010609GodFreepers.html
Indeed.
MY LAST POST TO YOU.
Let's blame Clinton...Let's blame Obama.
The FACT is that Bush BECAME prez on 01/20/01. He was told by Clinton to beware!! It was Bush's duty to know, to care what was going on.... the FACT is he didn't give a rat's patooty!!! FACT is he was on vacation most of his first 7 months in office. The FACT is he stared into space for 7 minutes after being told America was under attack while kindergarteners were reading "MY PET GOAT." I am so sick of the LIES you people want to ram down my throat. And when Obama takes office, God-willing, I am positive he will be under a microscope like NO president has ever been as there is a different standard set for him and never has a president-elect undergone so much criticisizm BEFORE taking office.
No conservatives either
The last time I looked at cons board there were no conservatives there either, just extreme right-wing nuts.
I mean conservatives. sm
True conservatives. The ones who don't believe in abortion, believe our money should be ours to spend, are fiscally conservative, and believe in smaller government. The true conservative Reagan Republican. I seriously doubt any of them were there. And yes, libertarians are conservative as well, for the most part. I don't know if they were there are not. The conservative pundits I follow who are libertarian were definitely not there.
If the conservatives think SP is sm
so great, why does the conservative talk radio in my city basically treat her as a sex object, wanting to see her naked or in suggestive clothing, etc.? I even think they put a suggestive picture of her on their web site. I think its so disrespectful and I'm not even going to vote for her! Talk about sexist. Does this go on in other cities? I can understand ratings and revenue but we talking about possibly the second most powerful person in the country and they can't even be respectful!  A man isn't treated this way. Maybe conservatives are the ones afraid of a strong woman.
I just love it when Conservatives are
WOW the Conservatives are hateful here.
I was looking on the conservative board and there is so much aggression and anger there. What is up with that? WHY?
They don't call them CONservatives for nothing!
Con means to deceive or mislead. That's how they communicate, from Bush right on down to his peon worshippers. They deceive, lie, mislead, twist, manipulate. They do everything except speak the truth. This is a perfect example. You asked them above to see the post. You didn't get a response, did you?
Now they'll just continue to troll this board with more outrageous fictional tales conceived in their tiny little minds, all for the purpose of demeaning and attacking liberals.
It's really sad, irritating and definitely bothersome, but they are their own worst enemy because they are getting more and more out of control every day. In a way, I guess I will really be worried if it stops. If I no longer see those angry hateful posts here, I will fear that they finally snapped in real life and either hurt someone else or got hurt themselves. 
conservatives and stinks
Conservative and stinks..nah, at least not what the poster below stated..Dont ya know, Libby, per conservative post below, it is us liberals/democrats/anti war people who dont bathe and have a stench about us? Yeah, right.
The conservatives want to have their cake and eat it too...sm
It's OK for a church to be prowar and not lose their exempt status, but not against it. Hypocrisy is reeking.
Stuff like this is the reason there is a separation between church and state to begin with. Give it an inch and we all lose.
Maybe the FBI is preventing conservatives from seeing it.
LoL.
I doubt a lot of conservatives were there. sm
True conservatives would not have been caught dead there. Maybe some RINOS.
I hear, and I think most of the conservatives on these
boards...here what you are saying. We just do not agree with you, so we counter the points. That is what debate is. It is working just like it is supposed to. Do you consider debate to be working only if the other side capitulates and you *win?*
Why is it such a challenge for conservatives to
and take personal responsibility for their actions and their consequences? This has nothing to do with libs. It has everything to do with the connections between racial, bigoted hate speech, violence, crime and cold-blooded murder.
Yes. Do tell how conservatives would lead us
out of the darkness and into the light.
The conservatives should put down their martinis
and start smoking weed. Whole lot better'n being a mean drunk, and they might even start thinking clearly enough again to figure out what 'fiscal responsibility' really is.
Here are some celebrity conservatives.
Kelsey Grammer
Gary Sinise
Stephen Baldwin
Patricia Heaton
Dennis Hopper
Craig T. Nelson
Ben Stein
Tom Sellek
Kurt Russell
Ted Nugent
Elizabeth Hasselbeck
Angie Harmon
John Ratzenberger
Are they blaming conservatives
and pro-life people for one person who lied? It seems to me like these pro-life people were trying to be supportive and be there for someone that they really thought needed them. How where they supposed to know that they were being lied to? Instead of blaming conservatives as a whole on this one, why aren't they placing the blame on the ignorant woman who was addicted to blogging and made all of this up? I just don't get the logic some of you people have. One person lied and so all these pro-lifers came to her aid thinking she needed it and somehow it isn't the liars fault.....it is the pro-lifers. Yeah...makes perfect sense.....sheesh
because conservatives stick to the old,
boring stuff and it is the independents and liberals that breathe fresh air into life.
And Google also has 896,000 entries on conservatives and
Excuse me while I take leave to invent some "facts" based on that.
You have demonstrated why conservatives cannot post here. sm
Are you schizophrenic. Your posts are some of the some inflammatory, hate-filled screed it has ever been my displeasure to read. Wishing people to burn in hell? Calling children of the president ugly and alcoholics? THAT is debate. You don't fool me. I didn't say she COULDN'T come here. I said ther poster demonstrated why she would not want to. Get a little insight into your bizarre behavior.
And that is largely due to the fact that the conservatives SM
have afforded them the courtesy of not posting here, as has been said before.
That's why there are 2 boards for the conservatives who like the "yes man"
debates. I suggest to the people who don't like liberal ways go there. They will be able to high five and keep hope alive with the Bush yeppers and congregation.
Conservatives don't care about the poor...
NOT!
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America and the poor, that is the subject of this evening's Talking Points Memo.
The aftermath of Katrina has produced a debate over poor Americans. There are about 37 million people living below the poverty line right now. The issue was described this way by Newsweek (search) reporter Evan Thomas (search), a liberal guy but not alone, who writes, Liberals will say [the authorities] were indifferent to the plight of poor African-Americans. It is true that Katrina laid bare society's massive neglect of its least fortunate.
Massive neglect? Let's take a look at that bit of overstatement. Halfway through President Clinton's tenure in office in 1996, the poverty rate was 13.7 percent. Halfway through President Bush's tenure, the rate is 12.7 percent, a full point lower.
In 1996, the Clinton budget allotted $191 billion for poverty entitlements. That was 12.2 percent of the budget and a whopping amount of money. That's why Bill Clinton (search) was called the first black president by some.
However, the Bush 2006 budget allots a record shattering $368 billion for poverty entitlements, 14.6 percent of the entire budget, a huge increase over Clinton's spending on poverty entitlements.
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It's more like that the conservatives know history and are better informed.
I am amazed that you people are not challenged more. I don't care about the political aspect but this is just ridiculous. Capitalism is superior to socialism in every way. Socialist societies have never prospered. Never. Socialism remains a failed experiment. Capitalism was implemented in West Germany and West Berlin following World War II. West Germany and West Berlin prospered and living standards became much better. Socialism was implemented in East Germany and East Berlin following World War II. East Germany and East Berlin stagnated and living standards deteriorated. The split turned German into an experiment that could be observed, studied, and used to show the differences of how capitalism and socialism affect a country. This is a matter of fact. Anyone who opts for socialism is a fool.
Here are some the conservatives forgot to add to his list...sm
The Shoelace Scandal - Clinton tied his shoe laces to loose and Monica had to tie them for him. Whoaaa!
The Walking the Dog Scandal -
Clinton was walking his dog and it exposed it's pee pee to a conservative's poodle. Whoaeee!
The Toothbrush Scandal -
Monica brushed her teeth with Clinton's toothbrush. Whoaaa!
Did I leave anything off!
Had to joke for a minute!
While some of the scandals during his presidency were very legitimate, more than a few of them were off the chain crazy during Clinton's time in office. Bush has had it very easy in this department, if you ask me. I think republicans are just better at digging up scandals.
Starcat, they are not true conservatives.sm
We do not support Bush. I wish everyone would just take the time to do some research on these political candidates, not only would you not vote for them, they would scare the hell out of you. I can tell by some posts on here that some have. We need to be united to get our country back, not fighting.
Your statement was *they* are not true conservatives.
I was merely asking who *they* are.
Yep those mean conservatives are over there helping Israel
Yep, they'll be back when all the Lebanese are dead, because all us conservatives are evil like that.
Who gives more to charity? Liberals or conservatives? sm
Charity's political divide
Conservative give roughly 30% more to charity on average.
http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htm
Who gives and who doesn't
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730&page=1
Who gives to charity:
http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnStossel/2006/12/06/who_gives_to_charity
Conservative philanthropists are more generous, experts say...
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/204/story_20419_1.html
Conservatives give more to charity:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080327/news_lz1e27will.html
It seems to me that this study shows that conservatives (sm)
are MORE concerned about others than democrats. They see a picture of SOMEONE ELSE who is hurt or dead and they react more than the democrats. I used to think of myself as being fairly liberal, but if that means being associated with the type of people many of the democrats who post on here appear to be, then no thanks, I'll call myself conservative. Actually I always vote for the candidate I agree with most, regardless of party.
History of liberals and conservatives
I posted this on the comedy board too - its half political/half comedy.
Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.
The two most important events in all of history were:
1. The invention of beer, and
2. The invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer, and the beer to the man.
These facts formed the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:
1. Liberals & 2. Conservatives.
Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.
Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to barbeque at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.
Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ's and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.
Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as girlie-men.
Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy and group hugs, the evolution of the Hollywood actor, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide all the meat and beer that conservatives provided.
Over the years, Conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jack@ss.
Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare. Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of liberal women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most are social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood, and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.
Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.
Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America . They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.
Here ends today's lesson in world history.......
It should be noted that a liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above before forwarding it.
A conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers, and to more liberals...just to yank their chain.
Have a great day!
and here I thought conservatives had the market on
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Conservatives better pray that regulation will be ENOUGH.
swift and smart, it probably won't be enough.
"Bashing"? All you do is bash conservatives,
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My, we sure are painting all conservatives with a broad brush...
I have criticized Bush on numerous thing, including this pandering to the Mexicans in regard to our border control. Please don't assume every conservative is just a lock step mindless zombie. Lots of people say that about liberals, but I disagree with that too. There are a million shades of gray, across both sides of the political aisle.
Slandering someone who doesn't agree with you is what conservatives do best.
Please tell me what personal knowledge you have about gt's drinking history, if any such history actually exists.
The administrator should ban you for this kind of personal slanderous assault on a poster.
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