Then if Obama is not guilty by association, I guess McCain definitely isn't either sm
Posted By: Since his association was not direct like Obama on 2008-10-15
In Reply to: You have just proven the point of the OP, being that - anti-American sermons when delivered by....sm
Racism goes both ways and you know that!
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If everyone was guilty by association . . .
how many of us would be guilty? There are and have been plenty of Senators and congresssmen who have (or still do) links to the KKK -- if we knew the actual truth, we would be shocked. The point is, I don't have enough information to be able to make a judgment about Obama's choice of church? We all have at one time or another had a friend or loved one whose lifestyle or morals maybe we did not necessarily agree with, but maybe we knew another side of them that overshadowed the bad side. I don't respect or necessarily like my mother because she is a racist, but I still love her for doing the best she knew how.
If one is guilty by association, then let
any one of you who profess your own guiltlessness please step forward. I just wish you people would find something more constructive to do than continuously harp on a moot point. You're welcome to join your compadre who posted earlier about moving to Australia -- but then, I doubt you would have the funds to do that, since they require major $$ to be deposited into their banks in order to get a green card. And then you would find that they really do not care for Americans very much, and then YOU would be the one discriminated against. I would call that poetic justice.
I guess McCain's hairdos don't cost much. LOL
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I would believe the guilt by association only...
if his policies did not scream Marxist...straight out of black liberation theology. I can see what he hopes for and the change he wants. I don't want a Marxist socialist government. Perhaps you do.
Guilt by association
"…associations with terrorists, criminals, and racist individuals to me is more telling because these are associations and issues that could raise concern during a presidency.
http://www.startribune.com/politics/30572149.html
Racists / terrorists: Republican Sen. John McCain served on the advisory board to the U.S. chapter of an international group linked to ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America in the 1980s. McCain sat on the board of the U.S. Council for World Freedom. During his tenure (1981 to 1986), the Anti-Defamation League said this organization and its parent organization, the WACL (World Anti-Communist League) "has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites." The WACL had ties to ultra-right figures and Latin American death squads. Roger Pearson, the chairman of the WACL, was expelled from the group in 1980 under allegations that he was a member of a neo-Nazi organization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Keating
Criminal ties:
1. Charles Keating. Keating was criminally charged with having duped Lincoln's customers into buying worthless junk bonds of American Continental Corporation; he was convicted in state court in 1992 of fraud, racketeering, and conspiracy and received a 10-year prison sentence. In January 1993, a federal conviction followed, with a 12-and-a-half year sentence. He spent four-and-a-half years in prison, but convictions were eventually overturned. Thereafter, on the eve of the retrial on the federal charges, Keating pleaded guilty to several felony charges in return for a sentence of time served.
2. McCain appeared at a Oregon Citizens Alliance gathering after Marilyn Shannon had praised Shelley Shannon as a "fine lady." Shannon is an anti-abortion activist, saboteur, rhetorician and sharpshooter from Grants Pass, Oregon. She assaulted Dr. George Tiller outside his abortion clinic in Wichita, Kansas on August 19, 1993, shooting him in both arms. She is serving time in FCI Dublin. Her projected release date is November 7, 2018.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_connections_coming_back_to_haunt_1007.html
3. Gordon Liddy, the Watergate break-in mastermind, who spent more than four years in prison for his crimes, has called McCain an "old friend" and hosted the candidate on his conservative talk radio show.
Guilt by association. Really wanna go there?
Just off the top of my head:
1. US Council for World Freedom who got a 20-year sentence for his conviction of conspiracy, burglary and illegal wiretapping in the Watergate fiasco. m (can you say Iran contra?).
2. Phil Gramm, (co-chair of the McCain campaign), champion of Enron tax loopholes and author of Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that effectively neutralized any existing regulation of financial services industry. You remember good ole Phil. He's the one talking on McCain's behalf when he said we were having a "mental recession" and we have a nation of a bunch of whiners.
3. Gordon Liddy. That's the guy
4. Let's don't forget the Keating 5.
5. Richard Quinn, publisher of Southern Heritage ragazine for neo-confederates…unapologetic bigotry.
6. Rick Davis, McCain CEO, lobbyist, paid $15,000 each month for "consulting" from end of 2005 until September 2008.
With a little research, I'm sure I could come up with a few more. Wanna go there some more?
Guilt by association? You are kidding, right?
20 years in the church, man was his mentor, baptized his children...that is an "association?"
Excuse me...my compadre? Are you now saying I am guilty of wanting to leave my country because another poster posted on this board THEY might leave?
Good grief, rip a page out of your own book. If he sat there for 20 years and was truly AGAINST racism, then he is a hypocrit at the very LEAST.
It's that guilt-by-association thingy
O haters have been harping away on that matra for months and months and months and more months while trying without success to make all their endless "connections". What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Another resounding theme from them has been "judgment" about the company one keeps. SP has condoned her own daughter's marriage into a crack/meth (or whatever drug) house. What is with the pubs' adversion to vetting anyway? It's going to be a bit difficult to pull off that one-big-happy-family image politicians like to project.
Don't be such a hypocrite. The glee O haters take in salivating over imagined scandals is positively palpable. I'm not that excited, but I'd be lying if I said I'm not highly amused.
I think the guilt by association thing....(sm)
is ridiculous -- from both sides. That being said, I find it hard to believe that Sarah has never even met the mother of her future son-in-law.
I guess Obama supporters......... sm
and bar owners really do not care about the danger the city could be in because of the legislation passed allowing bars to stay open 24/7 for 4 days. I would think that safety would be a concern, but you just proved me wrong. 
So what - guess who endorses Obama
So what that Cheney endorses McCain. What did you expect - that Cheney was going to endorse Obama? - After all they are cousins?
I'd rather have Cheney's endorsement over the people who endorse Obama. Some of those people are:
1. Louis Farrakah.
2. Jeremiah Wright.
3. Moammar Kadafi.
4. Raila Odinga (his cousin).
5. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
6. William Ayers.
7. The people in the country of Libya.
8. The people in the country of Iran.
9. The radicals who cut off American's heads.
10. The people who want America destroyed.
So overall - I will take Cheney's support.
Guilt by association tactic is tired, did nothing
In a democracy, even communists are allow to have their own perceptions. It is good news that Sam will be putting time-consuming research into overdrive. Poor pubs. Plain to see they are spinning themselves into the ground. Spin, baby, spin. Nothing you can say will change the fact that the DNC was a phenomenal success and the RNC is a dud so far, plagued by disappearing speakers, scandal and damage control.
Run another guilt by association smear campaign
watch that landslide turn into a monster avalanche. Some people never learn.
"Guilt by association" is a logical fallacy.
Unless, of course, you're quite prepared to admit that Obama is a domestic terrorist. (Need the associations to support that?)
Please understand. I don't blame you. I blame the public school systems that no longer teach students logical skills.
I guess I missed it, or Obama got a hold of it. SM
Says "this video no longer available." What was it about?
Yeah, guess Obama supports refuse to look at all
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Guilty?
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded and he was one of the key architects of the 9/11 attack. You don't think he is guilty? Are you kidding me?
This man plotted and planned an attack on American soil that killed thousands of Americans and you don't think he should have been waterboarded?
You tell me this.....how many detainees were actually subjected to waterboarding....other than Khalid Mohammed that is. Did we do it to every single detainee. Do you even realize that these detainees, a lot of them, were turned in by other people in their country or caught as a direct result of interrogating other detainees.
The last time I checked, Khalid Mohammed still has his head attached to his body....which is more than I can say for Jack Hensley, Nicholas Berg and any other American who had their head cut off. It wasn't a swift cutting off either. I don't know if anyone here has seen the video of one of the beheadings but I had the misfortune of seeing one on the internet and it is an image that haunts me to this day. They basically grabbed him by his head, took a big knife and cut all the way around his neck, and then literally had to start sawing at his neck to get his head the rest of the way off. It took quite a while to accomplish the whole thing. When it was done, they threw the guy's head on his body and started cheering.
I have no compassion for terrorists and I think it is sad that some of you people do. They are ruthless people whose only desire is to rid the world of infidels....that includes you, JTBB. Yes, you. They want you dead and you want them treated fairly. 
You need to look in the mirror sam, you are guilty of ...sm
exactly what you are accusing the Dems of. Can you not see it? Everything is black and white with you and it seems that you feel you will lose ground in the conflict if you admit anything but total agreement with the republican platform is wrong. Can you not see that? Nothing in life is ever just black or white, good or bad.
The problem is everyone's guilty,
he said, she said, dem said, pub said. What difference does it make? Fix the problem. I don't believe the dems are anymore at fault for this than the pubs. If anything, I blame Bush and not because he's a pub but because he was supposed to be our leader. If he thought this was an issue, why didn't he press it? Oh, because someone told him it wasn't. Since when does he listen to anyone, and especially the dems.
The ad isn't addressing whether or not he was guilty
but rather his poor judgment.
am I know guilty of blasphemy?
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The U.S. is guilty of doing the same thing
Our government has played one country against another, supplying gun power to invade/overthrow governments or those in power the US government does not want there, and then when THAT power we put in there becomes too big for their britches and starts using those very weapons to invade/attack other countries or territories THEY don't like, we then go after them, the very ones we put there in the first place.
Ron Paul is correct; we need to stay OUT of everyone's business and let countries govern themselves. Sometimes all we do by interfering is make things worse for the citizens of those countries where things from bad to worse....
We've got to get out of our heads that we have to save the world......not only is that impossible but financially we are bankrupt from doing so.
And how would we know if they're guilty? (sm)
Most haven't even been charged with a crime much less prosecuted. You might want to start listening to the people who were actually there -- our military personell -- who acknowledge that they didn't know who was guilty and who wasn't. They basically just rounded up any and everybody. That's why so many prosecutors walked off the job. Get your facts straight. You're starting to sound like Cheney, and all he's doing right now is trying to save his own butt.
From looking on both boards, both sides are guilty.
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That's *innocent* until proven guilty...sm
I don't know which way it will go, but when you tell the truth your story never changes - his did over and over and over.
Moral Treason: Who's guilty?
President Theodore Roosevelt, 1918: To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.
Senator Robert A. Taft (also known as Mr. Republican), 1941 (after Pearl Harbor): I believe that there can be no doubt that criticism in time of war is essential to the maintenance of any kind of democratic government..... Too many people desire to suppress criticism simply because they think it will give some comfort to the enemy.... If that comfort makes the enemy feel better for a few moments, they are welcome to it as far as I am concerned because the maintenance of the right of criticism in the long run will do the country more good than it will do the enemy, and it will prevent mistakes which might otherwise occur.
Law school 101. Not indicted does not mean not guilty.
I think everyone knows that he had prescriptions from more than a couple of docs.
No one on your side of the fence has answered my question posed above. If MJF had aired an ad against stem cell research, would you have had the same reaction? Would Rush have had the same reaction? I think not. I think you would have applauded him for his courage and his willingness to do such a thing especially in light of the seriousness of his disease. Another question, what do you think about Nancy Reagan and her son Ron being pro stem cell research openly?
Rush will forever be guilty. sm
The amount of hatred the left holds for Rush shows how very powerful he is. He tells it like it is and they can't stand it.
If Bush, etc were not guilty, why do they need a War Crimes Act protection? sm
Why would you need to seek protection if your not ALREADY sure you are guilty?
They must be scared. Could charges be just around the corner? I am going to assume it isn't just about authorizing humiliating and degrading treatment of detainees, this also about 911/false-flag ops, Wanta's fund and many other charges they are soon to face.
Hmmm...innocent until proven guilty....
you certainly don't think that about George Bush and Dick Cheney, do you? I don't see you asking fellow liberals not to make judgments until they are proven guilty by a jury of their peers...? LOL. Ahem. Think the hippocracy is showing there a little bit. I certainly don't think Kam is considering them innocent until proven guilty, nor are any of the rest of you by your posts. I believe she considers them guilty and impeachment a formality. So please stop with the noble innocent until proven guilty and that is the best system. You don't believe it across the board, so don't speechify. It rings hollow.
And what makes you think I have always voted a Republican ticket? I can tell you right now, I have not, especially in congressional races where I think the most difference is made.
There is nothing to say that Ron Paul would not be a great President. I threw his name out there because he is so radically different than any other Republican running and any Democrat running. Would not surprise me if he lost the Repub nomination and ran as an Independent, which would give disgusted folks such as myself and Kam a real alternative. But Kam is not disgusted with politics. She hates George Bush and she would not vote for a Republican no matter WHAT he or she said, she said as much. And that is what is wrong with politics today, as you have stated so many times and accused me of not wanting change because I said I would never vote for a Democrat. I said I would not vote for a pro abortion Democrat if I have an alternate choice, you are right. But, there are pro life Democrats and I have voted for some for congressional seats. And would continue to do so if I felt they were the most qualified person on the ticket. That is the reason I threw his name out. The only thing that goes against him being able to make any meaningful change is that Congress would hamstring him. If we really want change, we need an independent prez AND an independent congress. That won't happen this election cycle. That kind of change will take years. It could start with this one, and I think that is exactly what Pelosi is trying to avoid by not letting an impeachment go forward right now...too much might come out.
I am not victimized. If anyone is victimized it is poor Kam with that virulent hatred for George Bush. It sounds like it consumes every waking moment. Good grief. I go on about my daily life just like anyone else does, and in the grand scheme of things, WHOever is elected President has his/her work cut out for him/her, we all know that. If it is a Democrat, all I know for absolutely sure is my taxes are going to go up and social programs won't be reined in, they will just get money thrown at them, and if that doesn't fix them, we will get more programs. It has happened every time. And if there is anything in this country that needs to be fixed, that's it. That is another priority for me, and yes, my congresspeople could attest to that from the sheaves of paper they have received from me.
If it is a Republican, what happens depends upon which one it is. If it is Guiliani, I don't see much difference in he and most Democrats and I would have to weigh him against whatever Dem gets the nomination. If it is Romney, I think the man can balance the budget and get runaway spending under control, because say what you want about the man, he is a financial genius and the government is the biggest business there is, and frankly it needs to be run like one. So, if he is the nominee, most likely he will get my vote, because I think it is HIGH time that someone starts to run the government like a business and gets runaway spending under control, starting with social programs. That is so broken it screams to be fixed.
If nominee is Thompson, he will get my vote. For many reasons, the most important of which is putting power back in the states that the feds have stolen over the years. States have demonstrated time and time again they administer their affairs much better than when the Feds get into it. And states may be able to put enough pressure on their reps that Congress might actually do something about that, even if there is a Dem majority. One can only hope. Ron Paul believes that too, and I am in agreement with him on that. We certainly don't need as much centralized power in DC as we have right now. I will vote for the man (or woman) I feel most qualified and most closely follows my vision for the country, just like I would hope everyone else does.
Kam is disgusted, but it is more about her healthy hatred for the MAN George Bush, and the MAN Cheney which has nothing to do with politics and one need only read her posts about them to see that. Which is all well and good, and that is her right and I would argue for her right to say so. Her crusade is to punish George Bush and I don't really think that is going to cure what is wrong with politics in this country. If she thinks Obama is the answer, then I would think her time and energy would be better spent trying to get him the nomination and the election rather than crusading to punish someone on his way out anyway. But that is just me.
Yes, a lot of things about politics and about the way this country is going is disheartening. I do the best I can with my vote and working for whatever candidate I choose to support. Since I am not a rich person I sure can't throw much money at campaigns, but I do what I can.
As to the law is the law and innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers...fine. Does that mean if Bush is impeached and not convicted all would be forgiven on the basis of the law is the law? All of you who are calling for his head would go quietly away because he was judged innocent by his "peers?" ROFL. I don't THINK so.
I would agree with you that we the people of America need to change the way politics are played. But before THAT can happen, the minds of Americans have to change. And the way to do that is stop the bitterly partisan way of thinking (ANY party) and if these political boards, and all the political boards and blogs and sites on the internet are ANY indication, that is not going to happen anytime soon.
Does not mean I am not a happy person, does not mean I am going to slink into a closet and into a depression if Clinton or Obama become President or Paul or WHOEVER becomes President. Life will go on, the chips will fall, and we shall see what happens. Same thing if Guiliani or Romney or Thompson or whoever is elected. It is what it is. Noble ideas and good intentions are wonderful things. But if our Congress cannot drop partisanship long enough to do what is best for the country (if they even know what that is anymore, or care), then it doesn't matter who is President. And I don't know how we can really expect them to if we as rank and file Americans are unwilling to...what goes around comes around, and around, and around, and around....until someone gets off the merry-go-round and pulls the plug. Someone a lot more important, sadly, than kam, than me, or you, piglet. And for the right reasons. And therein lies the rub.
Remember that song, I Need A Hero? Well...America needs one right about now. :)
TARP, both sides are guilty, but O acts like he had nothing to do with it! nm
Conyers wife pleads guilty to bribery
Isn't surprising...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7938249&page=1
Between McCain and Obama
Do you think either candidate is more "real" than the other? Is one of them truly a "what you see is what you get" sort of person, or is one of them liable to turn tail and be the opposite of what we see now?
Thoughts, opinions, comments?
I had hoped to include Hillary in my list, but I guess that won't be necessary now. Bummer.
Obama/McCain
I think this whole politics thing is amusing. I believe people are fed up with the politics of the White House and where this administration has brought us in 8 years, Iraq, threatening Iran, many enemies in other nations who used to be friends, etc. Obama is accused of not knowing much and McCain of being too old to run. I think maybe both are true. I am waiting for a debate between these two men to see if I will even bother to vote, because in MHO all politicians will lie to get where they want in office. All I do know is that this country is going in the wrong direction and needs to change quickly. That is why I believe a woman should be in the White House. No Hillary did not win, but there needs to be a strong woman in there to run the country and straighten this horrible mess out, which includes global warming, health care, aide for elderly and food for the poor and help for the poor. We need to concentrate on our country more to help the poor/sick/elderly, and stop the oil companies from making such huge profits while we decide on food or gas for the week. 
Obama vs McCain
Not in any way to make light of John McCain's service to this country. If being a Viet Nam POW qualilfies anyone to be president, maybe my husband should consider running. No? Why not? He has the "qualifications." We are, or should be, electing a leader of this great nation, not a war hero. Perhaps J. McCain has integrity and other qualities but I see nothing that makes me want to see him be our next leader. I can say the same about Obama. My personal opinion, we don't even have a candidate that I can support as the lesser of the evils. Having always been registered a Democrat, I have changed my registration to Independent. McCain will bring us 8 more years of George W. Bush and we can't afford it. Obama will bring us........well, who knows? I believe his slant is more toward African-Americans rather than plain old every day AMERICANS. I don't care what color he is, if I really believed he would turn our economy, energy, SS, Welfare and the list goes on, around I would vote for him in a New York minute. Unfortunately I think he is saying what the American people want to hear and McCain..........well, his platform seems to be all about HIM and the time he spent as a POW. <sigh>
Obama/McCain
Take away McCain's military service...no more or less than thousands of other men who are not running for office and thus usually don't even like to talk about their war experience.... and there is not a whole lot of difference in the two men. BOTH have an agenda and NEITHER has anything to do with putting country first any more than George W. Bush (or Bill Clinton) had an agenda that put country first. Otherwise, we wouldn't be in this mess. Well...maybe all of them would put country first right after themselves and their cronies.
Obama, no McCain, no Obama, no McCain
That is how I have been going over the last couple months. I just don't know any more and frankly I'm getting tired of it. I voted for Obama over Hillary, then was a strong supporter of Obama. Heard some stuff I didn't like so I switched to McCain, then heard some stuff and switched back to Obama, now with the economic crisis and what the democrats have done, I am looking towards McCain again. Let me explain why (please take pitty on me and don't flame me too bad :-), but with that said let me tell you why.
I feel that Obama can speak better than McCain. Gotta give him credit for being an eloquent speaker, however that doesn't mean that his ideas are right for America. I'm learning about his voting record and the programs he will be pushing for, and if I wanted to live in the type of economy Obama wants if he is elected I mind as well move to Cuba or another country that is socialized. Yes he understands our economy but he's making all the wrong decisions and we are going to be further in debt. I just found out today that 700B dollars is not a figure they need. They made that up out of thin air. They need close to a trillion dollars, but they were afraid if they ask for a trillion it will raise suspicion so they picked 700B out of thin air. And that money will be pocketed by them and then they'll need more. Kucinich said today where do you think we're going to get 700B from? We'll get it from banks. And we'll give it to banks. And then more faux money and debt and loans will go out and we will not be any better. And this is what Obama is going to approve. Obama does not care about people like you and me. He is for the 1% of the rich (him and his friends). I don't think he is qualified to make any decisions about our economy. And Pelosi and Franks should be fired on the spot! We should remember as a democratic congresswoman pointed out that we have enemies both foreign AND domestic. That means here in our country, and as far as I can see they are the democratics that are destroying our economy. NOT ALL DEMOCRATS. I wanted to make sure I made that clear. There are plenty good democrats who know this bill is wrong and are voting agaist it - good for them, but there are the other ones (along with some republicans) who are out for themself. We need a strong leader to lead us in the direction of bringing our economy back up and I believe that person is John McCain.
Second, I don't feel safe with what Obama is proposing to sit down with our enemies and have a nice big group hug and everything will be all better. That's not the way it works and McCain understands that. I feel safer with McCain in there on foreign policies and the ability to keep our country safer.
Biden - Don't know much about him except he's been in the senate a long time, which is good because Obama is fairly new so he would be big help. Personally I like Biden, so have no quams with him. I think he can put his foot in his mouth enough if you get him talking long enough. It also doesn't help that he was even saying Obama is not qualified to be president, but time will tell.
Palin. She's better than a lot of people are giving her credit for. I know your probably saying pleeese, but put your hatred towards her aside. She has a lot to learn, but so does Obama. He's had an 18-month lead on her, and with help she is learning fast. I heard the leader of Pakistan tonight and he said after meeting with her she was intelligent and he thinks if McCain and Palin are elected she will do just fine.
I like her resume and knowlege of the economy and plans for getting us back on the right track better than Obama's. BTW - I did watch one of her interviews and she did quite well. She was very intelligent and articulate in what she was saying (completed full sentances throughout the whole interview, finished her thought processes, etc), but then again she was being interviewed by someone who treated her with respect and didn't try to pull any of the "gotcha's", or look down at her cross-eyed like Couric did. Couric has the interview skills of a beanpole, so don't know why anyone even watched it.
I am looking forward to the debate on Thursday. I know a lot of you have already got it in your minds that she has already lost the debate and that is unfortunate. I am anxious to hear Biden talk. I do like him and had wished he had won the nomination over Obama.
My feeling on Palin is that given a chance and good mentors she will do just fine as VP and I always remember our founding fathers didn't have half the experience she does and they made this country great in the beginning. Now politics is just filled with lawyers, crooks and liars.
So...if Obama and Biden win I won't be crying, and if McCain and Palin win I will be fine too.
Obama : McCain
It was McCain's best debate, but it was not good enough. Obama is 9 points ahead or even more and winning. It is too late for McCain.
The election is Nov 4.
Obama vs McCain
Obama is a socialist from the word go and will have social medicine, not good.
Obama/McCain
All this crap about Obama's "radical relationships." Why is it that McCain has not brought up preacher Wright. He hasn't spared anything else to trash Obama so why is he sparing him on that? And don't tell me it is "off limits." I'm not buying that. Nothing else is "off limits." Unless maybe Obama/McCain have made a deal not to bring up that in exchange for Obama not bringing up something that would bring McCain down. I heard preacher Wright with my own ears and that is something *I* would like to hear addressed. I do not call Wright "reverend" because I don't believe he deserves the title based on what I know. If McCain is so righteous and he11 bent on "saving" this country why doesn't he hit Obama with that accusation.....that might have some legitimate place in this campaign?
Obama : McCain
Obama has a dynamic mentality to which McCain's mentality just pales.
This is it.
5 top Gitmo detainees plead guilty, seek martyrdom
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/12/08/Gitmo_911_suspects_to_plead_guilty/UPI-68631228752620/
Go Obama - go home McCain
My best friend that I was in the Army with 20 years ago just told me that her son went to Kuwait last year, her daughter graduated from high school last year and went straight into the Army and is now in the middle east, and her husband who is a police officer and was in active duty (they met in the army) and the reserves just got called to go over all within the last year. I say Go Obama! We need our troops home in a reasonable time frame. MCain is a war mongerer and will keep this going for the next 100 years (as is his words), and I've heard Hillary is just like McCain and they are on the same team together (what that means I don't know but that's what an article said). I know they are friends and work closely together. So I say please, please, please let Obama win!
Who is scarier (McCain or Obama) and why?
I would like to know who you think is a scarier candidate and why. Please give facts (not rumors you have read or heard like for example - do not tell me that you believe Obama is a muslim, or that you don't like his middle name or think he's the antichrist, or McCain is not a christian or this or that). I am looking for some facts. Like he supports this or that and his experience he has done this or that. Just curious who thinks who is a scarier choice for president. Both of them right now are not high on my list and whoever is chosen for president will be just that (chosen by the higher powers than us).
McCain has been saying the same thing Obama has been saying...
politics as usual in Washington needs to stop...Obama chose a 30-year plus washington insider and McCain could not havechosen someone much further from washington politics. He has bucked his party when he felt they were not representing their members as they should and so has she. She cleaned up a good ol'boy nest of corruption in Alaska, where, I might add, she enjoys an 80% favorability rating, and that is unheard of. I don't think 80% of Alaskans are Republican. That means to me she is a great governor and certainly knows what she is doing.
She is young..like Obama. She represents change from Washington poltiics...like Obama. She comes from meager beginnings...like Obama. She served in City council (Obama served as community organizer). She served as mayor. She has served as governor. She has a beautiful family. So does OBama.
What means the most to me is one part of her speech no one really made a big deal about, but it spoke volumes to me. She said you should serve with a servant's heart. She has demonstrated she will buck her party to clean it up, and if it comes to party or her constituents, her constituents trump the party. That means a LOT to me. That means she cares about the little people and it is not just words, it is actions. McCain has done the same. I have admired her greatly for a long time, and i think she is exactly what America needs in washington.
Obama is the chicken, not McCain
McCain isn't the one who's afraid, Obama is, so he's spouting off, trying to make McCain look like an unworthy opponent. Everybody knows that Obama knows he can't debate, so this is just a ploy of his. I guarantee you that if McCain was still planning to be present for the debate, Obama would be keeping his mouth shut, and studying up on "How to Debate and Look Like You Know What you're talking About".
Anybody that can't show respect to our American Flag has no place in this country, let alone be its leader.
McCain has true concern for the country. Obama is only concened about himself and the campaign. I fear for this country if this fool gets in office. Change....what change???Everytime somebody else gets in office there is change. Cheap words for a phony, no good, cam't make up his mind, dolt!
McCain Obama and FMFM
Article on both candidates and Freddie and Fannie
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/us/politics/10fannie.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
And Obama said McCain was right.... nine times....nm
Obama did well. He actually looked at McCain.
McCain wouild not look at Obama at all. He just looked at the camera and the commentator with his fake smile.
I scored 64.71% with Obama and 17.65% with McCain -nm
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57% obama; still voting for McCain
Some things like abortion, death penalty and guns really aren't as important as my taxes and his spending of my taxes.
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