The thing that raises the red flag for me is ....sm
Posted By: oldtimer on 2008-10-20
In Reply to: OK. In he midst of "kill him" and "off with his head" - fervor arising out of relentless hate campaigning.
that she said she was called on her cell phone. I talked to my family and friends about that and no one that I spoke to has ever had a call from a campaign on a cell phone. Does anyone else recall? Another point is the some people are saying that the polls in the election may not be that accurate because so many people have cell phones now and no land line, and pollsters only use land lines where polling for the election. Comments?
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Veteran Removes The American Flag This is a video clip showing the veteran who went down to a Mexican restaurant in Reno , NV to take down the American flag that was being flown under their Mexican flag. This guy silenced the folks on the sidewalk and makes me proud to be an American. I think it's going to take a lot more of this kind of revolting to change things....watch and be proud.
American Veteran Removes US Flag from beneath Mexican Flag
Veteran Removes The American Flag This is a video clip showing the veteran who went down to a Mexican restaurant in Reno , NV to take down the American flag that was being flown under their Mexican flag. This guy silenced the folks on the sidewalk and makes me proud to be an American. I think it's going to take a lot more of this kind of revolting to change things....watch and be proud.
well, if you elect Obama and he raises...
capital gains taxes you sure won't have to have a card reader....your 401K is going to sufferrrr. lol.
B.S. Your axe-grinding raises a clatter
But you just keep right on lying to yourself if it makes you feel superior.
You mean like all the people in congress who just gave themselves pay raises
Pelosi, Reid and other people in congress that just voted themselves in a pay raise without so much as a thought to what is happeneing in the economy. "Hey Sam Smith just lost his job and he's got 2 kids, a sick wife to support, and his house is getting ready for foreclosure. Many Americans are finding themselves out of jobs and homes, hey I know, lets give ourselves another raise, $180K a year is not enough"
no flag for me
I wont hang a flag, but if I did it would be upside down, the symbol for help/distress. Or I would rather burn a flag. Sorry, for the negativity but that is how I feel about this country. My father fought in WWII and received a Purple Heart, my cousin is in the Navy right now. I just dont recognize America anymore. It is not my country. I feel like I have just landed on earth from Mars, LOL. Now, Sandra Day O'Connor is retiring, oh boy..another major fight with the right wing. Bush is on TV now saying..yada..yada..yada, he will take into consideration, yada..yada..yada..We know who he will nominate, a radical right wing nut. Sigh..
Flag pin
I love our country and respect it, but I do not wear a flag pin ever. I don't see why wearing a flag pin is so important. I was never taught to put my hand over my heart for the national anthem and most people I know do not. Men are to take their hats out, stand tall and pay attention, nothing else.
I don't understand all the attention on a pin.
put on your flag pin, your big
girl panties and pay your fair share. I don't want to work to pay taxes that go to the endless war, yet as an american citizen, I do because I must. Think of others for a change.
Oh no...not the flag pin again. LOL
Red flag s/m
The site is a blog. I notice that what I thought was a link to Obama's tax returns didn't go anywhere. The only thing visible is the "summary" of what this person SAYS is on the tax forms. Show me the REAL tax return and I'll be happy to say what I think about his charitable contributions. In the meantime, it is his business as McCain's tax return is his business.
the flag pin dealio
is a Rovian tactic aimed at the dumbest, uneducated, stick-in-the eye voters. Like those Pennsylvanians in the Oprah book of the month. Called Country Roads or something. Was rural PA residents which had murder, incest, etc. A good read.
Aren't you ashamed to include yourself in that group? Real problems need to be solved, not accessorized with flag pins.
oh drop the flag pin, will you?
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Something sends up a red flag
It was on every single station except for two. Didn't watch it because it's just another form of brainwashing. Why does he need a commercial where it is blatanly obvious he did it so nobody would be able to ask him any questions. What's on the mind of everyone I know is why didn't he hold a conference and take questions?
Heard he said (or will be saying) the same ol same ol.
Just another regime tactic.
I am sure that the supervisor did not say that the flag
is offensive. How could she? She herself, I am sure, is already an US citizen, after being for 14 years in this country and being her supervisor.
It was all about the supersized flag!
A little thing on her desk would have been enoigh!
It was all about the SUPERSIZED flag
and I am sure that the supervisor did not say that the flag is offensive.
and then he proceeded to wad the flag up!
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Great post!! And I will put out my flag, too.
We are so divided in this country that sometimes I think we're headed for another civil war.
But we are still all Americans, and we've got to find a way to come together.
I remember how it seemed the entire country came together after 9/11. I hope that can happen again without such a tragedy preceding it.
I hope you and your family have a blessed 4th!!! 
My flag flies every day, not just today.
Always has, always will.
You can't honor the flag and still think about those things? nm
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as long as you wear a flag pin while doing it
you are being patriotic, lol! Sorry, couldn't resist. Now, go put on your flag pin right now and conform!
I'm not talking about flag pins
What IS your problem? You want to vote for Oblama, fine, do it. But don't mistake your empty suit for a patriotic American.
McCain does not wear flag
pin as he writes an article in an accountant's magazine claiming that deregulation of financial business was so successful he wishes to deregulate the health care industry. let's see if this gets the subject off the ground.
ABC Bans Flag Pins
Well isn't that just American... Now do you know why they're called the drive-bys? Think drive-by shooting...
Yesterday, the brass at ABC News issued orders forbidding reporters to wear lapel pin American flags, or other patriotic insignia. Their reasoning was that ABC should remain neutral about "causes". |
Since when is support for preventing our death & destruction some sort of a cause? Since when is Patriotism to be discouraged. I urge you to boycott ABC and its sponsors and affiliates.
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We are slowly losing everything our country stands for, and everything our men and women fought and died to preserve.
Please forward this to as many as you can. You can verify it by going to:
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/noflags.asp
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All you need is a flag pin or a Steelers uniform to run. lol nm.
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I don't wear a flag pin, and I'm patriotic.
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Another thank you for your service. White flag is right..
what a nation of wimps we will become under this man. He'll be hiding behind Michelle's skirt.
Wave that confederate flag.....
I suppose the millions without jobs right now are all black/hispanic/asian? You really don't deserve a response, but, sometimes the trash needs taken out.
How can you trust him otherwise? He could be purposely disrespecting our flag (sm)
as a sign to those he truly sides with that he is on their team. The mere thought that someone could be elected to be our President while refusing to accept our flag is just insane! Do you have any idea how good we have it in America compared to other countries? Do you want to become a third world country? Do you know how possible it is?
Refusing to acknowlege our flag is disrespectful nm
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Haha! It always seems the people with the biggest flag-
She should have ASKED her supervisor if she can put this giant flag
up in her office which she SHARES with her supervisor!
Why didn't she ask before?
It seems that these 2 ladies do not get along well, I stop here now before I say too much.....????
REAL Americans don't gripe about their flag!
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For many parents of military personnel, a flag
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right, but has he to bring a BIG American flag into the office
too, before even asking what the office policies are regarding this?
Why assume that flag-flying was this individual's
There's nothing in the story to support your assumption that flying the flag represents this individual's complete understanding of the notion of patriotism.
On the other hand, flying the flag IS certainly ONE expression of patriotism - a form of protected speech, in fact - and the ONLY question here is not whether this individual has a simplistic view of patriotism, but whether displaying the flag should have been prohibited.
We'll just call this your quota of "straw man" logical fallacies for the week, shall we? You may not post another one until next week.
Don't want a fight, just want to ask, Does Obama respect the American Flag?
I saw this picture of his airplane before the makeover
and here it is after the makeover
His "symbol" "slogan" "trademark" or whateverthatis replaced the flag. I'm
sorry but I just don't understand why unless he has no respect for it.
Can someone explain without getting upset; just explain it.
So SP wrapping the flag around her body for a political photo op
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GIVE ME A ROYAL BREAK!!! FLAG-FLYING
Flag-flying IN AND OF ITSELF is not "patriotism"
PATRIOTISM is standing up for one's COUNTRY against all - including the government.
You can show your patriotism in MANY MANY ways other than flying a flag - one of the most important ways is to EDUCATE yourself about how the government LIES good men and women into fake wars to LINE THE POCKETS OF THE ALREADY RICH.
We have not been "fighting for our freedom" since 1776!!
WANT TO SHOW YOUR PATRIOTISM? Get the facts about what your government is REALLY using your tax dollars for and HOW they are really using your sons and daughters...
But valuing over the price of a dollar is a right thing wing thing, so you are on the wrong board. n
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I never said it's a bad thing, it is a good thing....nm
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one other thing though....
Agree with everything you stated, but I am profoundly disgusted also with Rove being able to expose a CIA agent, and nothing is going to be done about it in that I feel he committed treason, as Reagan did with Iran-Contra... Treasonous acts that are let to slide...no big deal huh? Who knows if someone is getting hurt because of his mouth, and yet, nothing... The silence is very annoying...as our country drops into a stinking sea of muck.
One more thing, gt. sm
Of all the people on these boards, YOUR opinion of me is the one I value the least.
Oh, and one more thing, gt. sm
Clnton signed Kyoto in 1997, only because he knew that the Senate would not ratify it. He was right. They voted 95-0 AGAINST Kyoto. Why? Because it would have required signatory nations to significantly cut greenhouse gases resulting from the burning of fosil fuels. Because ratifying the treaty would have required a large reduction in the use of fossil fuels that we use to our our economy. Until there is an alternative fuel source that is better than gold old fashioned coal and oil, restricting our economy's ability to burn these fuels would CRIPPLE US AS A NATION. You are not seeing the total picture here, you simply cannot be seeing it. I know the left's hatred for capitalism has blinded them to the fact that without our economy, we collapse. It really is that simple. We would be reduced to a third world nation in a very short period of time and you and I would not be sitting here writing on our computers because our world as we know it would change. Yes, it really is all about oil. But not the way you think.
and another thing
we aren't controlling anybody. There are several countries in this world where you are controlled, but this ain't one of them.
One more thing:
I apologize for the length of my post, but so far, I still have freedom of speech.
Guess I just feel the need to get it all out before that freedom suddenly disappears, as well. The majority of Americans don't agree with Bush, and we all know how he/his thugs handle people who dare to disagree with him. If you don't believe me, just ask John McCain and/or Valerie Plame.
I'd like to add one more thing.
If these alleged WMDs are so widespread and so easily accessible in Iraq, why aren't any of them being used on our soldiers?
Honestly, that's one of the very first fears I had when I heard we were going to war with Iraq (when I still believed the reasons given by the president and supported the invasion based on those reasons). I had visions of massive troop deaths at the hands of Iraqis and these WMDs.
Did that happen? 
OK. Here's the thing...sm
Because we've been through this before and I feel a repeat coming on. I'm respectful and nice to everyone on these boards 99% of the time. People come over to the liberal board and pretend they are moderates or just want to *debate.* When all the time they are anti-everything liberal and have no intention of seeing the liberal point of view. In the end, they end up *insulted* off of the board and run to the other board and have a sling fest. Yawn. They have revelations over there contrary to the beliefs they portrayed on this board. So really I'm skeptical about debating with the like. You may be 100% different worldfan, but from your posts on the Conservative and News boards it would appear you would be more at home on the conservative board giving them a high five about what's going on over here. Just my observation.
I used to post on the conservative board but I left because they were getting too extreme for my liking. It's that simple. There are some topics over there that I would reply too, but I don't b/c of past comments made over there, which have made me stick to the liberal page. However, on quite a few issues I am far from liberal like abortion and fiscal spending.
I hope you get my points. If not, we don't have anything more to discuss.
Sorry. Here's the whole thing.
I was trying to avoid this but the link is not working for some reason.
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People in Britain view the United States as a vulgar, crime-ridden society obsessed with money and led by an incompetent president whose Iraq policy is failing, according to a newspaper poll.
The United States is no longer a symbol of hope to Britain and the British no longer have confidence in their transatlantic cousins to lead global affairs, according to the poll published in The Daily Telegraph.
...a majority of the Britons described Americans as uncaring, divided by class, awash in violent crime, vulgar, preoccupied with money, ignorant of the outside world, racially divided, uncultured and in the most overwhelming result (90 percent of respondents) dominated by big business. ![src=http://www.commondreams.org/images/endquote.gif]()
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The YouGov poll found that 77 percent of respondents disagreed with the statement that the US is a beacon of hope for the world.
As Americans prepared to celebrate the 230th anniversary of their independence on Tuesday, the poll found that only 12 percent of Britons trust them to act wisely on the global stage. This is half the number who had faith in the Vietnam-scarred White House of 1975.
A massive 83 percent of those questioned said that the United States doesn't care what the rest of the world thinks.
With much of the worst criticism aimed at the US adminstration, the poll showed that 70 percent of Britons like Americans a lot or a little.
US President George W. Bush fared significantly worse, with just one percent rating him a great leader against 77 percent who deemed him a pretty poor or terrible leader.
More than two-thirds who offered an opinion said America is essentially an imperial power seeking world domination. And 81 per cent of those who took a view said President George W Bush hypocritically championed democracy as a cover for the pursuit of American self-interests.
US policy in Iraq was similarly derided, with only 24 percent saying they felt that the US military action there was helping to bring democracy to the country.
A spokesman for the American embassy said that the poll's findings were contradicted by its own surveys.
We question the judgment of anyone who asserts the world would be a better place with Saddam still terrorizing his own nation and threatening people well beyond Iraq's borders, the paper quoted the unnamed spokesman as saying.
With respect to the poll's assertions about American society, we bear some of the blame for not successfully communicating America's extraordinary dynamism.
But frankly, so do you (the British press).
In answer to other questions, a majority of the Britons questions described Americans as uncaring, divided by class, awash in violent crime, vulgar, preoccupied with money, ignorant of the outside world, racially divided, uncultured and in the most overwhelming result (90 percent of respondents) dominated by big business.
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I would like to know the same thing.nm
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The thing that got me was this...sm
This totally counts out everyday Joes. And those with a couple million to run. A half a billion dollars is a lot of money.
One last thing.....
Your argument might hold more water if I thought for one minute liberals understood that it was Michael Moore's OPINION and not the truth (but why should they, because he frames as the truth). I think, if you truly understand that, you are in the minority.
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