The stark contrast came...

Posted By: Marmann on 2008-11-19
In Reply to: Yes, I noticed that about you. - In stark contrast to...sm

...in immediate and direct response to Obama's choices. If you want to blame the media, then okay: It was the media who informed me of Obama's choices. The "media," I suppose, also brings me CNBC (which I watch a lot) and CSPAN (where I was able to watch part of the auto company bailout hearings yesterday).

Perhaps I misunderstood him when he was campaigning, but I thought one of his most passionate gripes was with the same old faces in Washington and the same old policies and how that needed to change.

My concerns include both personal and country; our country is comprised of all of us "personals," so I believe they are one and the same. Our economy is headed down the tubes, and there's not much debate about that.

It's impossible for me to trust anything that is Bush or anything that is Clinton. That's from present and past experience, having survived both administrations and seeing how dishonest each of them was in their own right.

If the election were held today, I would still vote for Obama. I hope my suspicions are wrong, and they very well may be. I've seen him run a brilliant campaign, and I know he's a brilliant man. I acknowledge and honor everything both he and Michelle have achieved in their lives. I wouldn't have supported him and voted for him if that weren't the case.

Perhaps I'm just preparing for the worst so I can enjoy the "best" all that much more if and when it comes. However, at this point in time, the more Clintonites he appoints, the further he drifts away from the Barack Obama that used to condemn the "same old, same old," and the larger that little red flag in my brain will grow.

In the meantime, though, I still support him as my President in ways that I will never be able to support a Bush or a Clinton: I still see him as an honest and trustworthy man -- until he shows me through his ultimate policies that he isn't.

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Do I need to order up more crow? - gourdpainter
- No, gourdpainter...it's gonna be Obama ruling....make no mistake.... - ms
  - No use arguing - gourdpainter
    - ah...I see your post below...interresting conspiracy theory....sm - ms
    - Right......sm - ms
- LOL! No crow for you, GP! - Marmann
  - ah no! - gourdpainter
    - LOL! No, there's plenty. - Marmann
- For key cabinet position, just where would you suggest - Obama find people with experience?...sm
  - Please see message. - Marmann
  - Excellent Post. - Kim
- No reason for anyone to eat crow. - Chele
  - That's very true; however, kind of ironic - voteinde
  - You're right about that. s/m - gourdpainter
    - I know we get bashed for - Chele
      - You put your finger on it, chele. - true blue
      - You get it s/m - gourdpainter
        Exactly! - Marmann
      - I couldn't agree more... - Marmann
        Please define the "change" you expected - in terms of cabinet appointees...sm
        My idea is this........ - gourdpainter
        Another one I would be interested in vetting is - gourdpainter
        Please see message. - Marmann
        On HC and other staff appointees... - sm
        I responded to the OP post above. (sm) - Marmann
        Yes, I noticed that about you. - In stark contrast to...sm
        The stark contrast came... - Marmann
        Hillary looking to Obama for guidance? Surely you jest. n/m - gourdpainter
        Not really. She's no dummy and if she wants to stay - viable in the party....sm
        I guess we'll see. n/m - gourdpainter
        P.S. about Greg Craig appointment - Marmann
        Marmann...the OP would be 3rd under GP's - "For key cabinet position, just where would you
        I apologize for the confusion. - Marmann
        Correction. - Marmann
      - Well if we storm in better do it before the new CD sm - Hoping for peace
- obama won...he wouldn't really because people won't really vote for black and lie to polls - ...
  - What? - gourdpainter
    - Poster is talking about when you said that would be the case (nm) - MeMT
- I'll agree with you - not on the crow thing - Kaydie
- Actually, makes me wonder what is - really going in the O's
  - That very same thought not only... - Marmann
- GP, you tickle the heck out of me! - linda
- At least know you're not alone... - Zville MT
- Actually GP, you said McCain would - Stardust
  - the crystal ball is obviously no good and should be trashed - ...
  - Crystal ball - gourdpainter
    - Don't beat yourself up too much GP sm - m
      - Actually I am beating myself up. s/m - gourdpainter
        Equal opportunity basher....... sm - m
      - I have a friend whose husband is Muslim - she told me (sm) - MeMT
        I'm not Muslim, but... - Marmann
        I agree, corrected myself in a post below. I shouldn't have added that part as a factor nm - MeMT
        Oops. (sm) - Marmann
        Your friend probably just guessed - gourdpainter
        I think she did just guess also (sm) - MeMT
        Did she state a reason? sm - m

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In contrast look at this post:

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I particularly liked this account:

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The Stark Difference

One group hurls insults and fiction. The other hurls their own words right back at 'em.

So who aced debate classes here? And just to cover all bases here, RINOs get no respect, either. I've wanted Susan Collins and Olympia Snow (among others) purged from their so-called Republican seats. They're literally embarrassments. Meanwhile, Barney Frank (and others) are lauded.

Stark Comparison

;Experience Tale of the Tape: Palin vs Obama

	Sarah Palin	Barack Obama
Office being sought	Vice President	President of the United States and Leader of the Free World
Full name	Sarah Louise Heath Palin	Barack Hussein Obama II
Nickname	Sarah Barracuda	Barry Obama; "The One"
Public opinion	Smoking hot in a "naughty librarian" sort of way	May be The Messiah
Age	44	48
Children	5: two sons, three daughters	2: two daughters
Religion/Church attendance	Evangelical Christian; attends Juneau Christian Center when in Juneau and grew up attending Wasilla Assembly of God	Attended Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years, a "black liberation theology" church formerly led by Rev. Jeremiah Wright and governed according to Black Value System
Current Job	Governor of Alaska	Junior Senator from Illinois
Previous Public Jobs	Mayor of Wasilla, AK (1996-2006); President of Alaska Conference of Mayors; City Council member (1992-1996)	State Senator (1997-2004); Community Organizer
Executive Experience	Governor for 2 years; Mayor for 10 years	None
Foreign Relations experience	Governor of state that borders two foreign countries (Canada and Russia)	Chaired Senate subcommittee on Europe but never called it into session; once gave a speech to 200,000 screaming Germans
Military Affairs experience	Commander in Chief of Alaska National Guard; Son is enlisted Infantryman in U.S. Army	None
Private Sector Experience	Sports reporter; Salmon fisherman	Associate at civil rights law firm
Speaking ability	Beautifully executed initial stump speech in Dayton, OH hockey arena without a teleprompter	An enter...wait--did you say without a teleprompter??
Spouse's name	Todd Mitchell Palin	Michelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama
Spouse's occupation	Salmon fisherman; Former North Slope production supervisor for BP Oil	Vice President for Community and External Affairs at University of Chicago Hospitals; former Associate Dean of Student Services at the University of Chicago; former Executive Director for the Chicago office of Public Allies; former Assistant to the Mayor of Chicago; former associate at Sidley Austin law firm
Reaction to spouse's political success	Quit 17-year BP oil job when BP became involved in natural gas pipeline negotiations with wife's administration	Promoted and given 160% pay raise by UofC hospitals within months of husband's election to U.S. Senate; Employer rece ived $1,000,000.00 federal earmark, requested by husband, after her promotion
Coolest thing about Spouse	Tesoro Iron Dog Snowmobile race champion (longest snowmobile race in the world); In 2008, while defending his championship, was injured when he was thrown 70 feet from his machine. He was sent to the hospital but still finished in fourth place	Sister of Oregon State University head basketball coach Craig Robinson
Most Courageous Moment in Public Service	Resigned in protest from position of Ethics Commissioner of Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in order to expose legal violations and conflicts of interest of Alaska Republican leaders, including the former state Attorney General and the State GOP Chairman (who was also an Oil & Gas Commissioner), who was doing work for the party on public time and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail.	Gave an anti-Iraq war speech to a crowd of anti-Iraq war demonstrators in Hyde Park in 2002
In Current Office Because...	Upset sitting Governor in GOP primary due to public support for her efforts to clean up corrupt government establishment	Republican opponent, who was leading in the polls, was forced to leave race after unsealing of divorce records exposed a sex scandal
Theme:	Change and Clean Government	Hope and Change; "Bringing Change from Outside Washington"
What they've done to live that theme:	Replaced entire Board of Agriculture and Conservation because of conflict of interest; Resigned from position of Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in order to expose corruption among members of own party	Selected 36-year incumbent Senator as running mate
Family Affairs	May have removed State Public Safety Commissioner as part of effort to protect sister in messy divorce and child custody battle	Often says, "I am my brother's keeper"; Brother lives in a hut in Nairobi on $12 per year
Union affiliation	Union member, married to Union member	Endorsed by a union
Iraq and Troop Support	Formerly (pre-surge) critical of apparent lack of long-term strategy for Iraq; Visited wounded U.S. soldiers in Germany; visited AK National Guard soldiers deployed to Kuwait; Son deploying to Iraq on 9/11/08 as Army infantryman	Gave an anti-Iraq war speech to a crowd of anti-Iraq war demonstrators; almost visited wounded troops in Germany, but decided to go shopping in Berlin instead
Bipartisan/"maverick" credentials	Married to a non-Republican; Exposed corruption within own party; Campaigned for Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell against corrupt GOP congressman Don Young; Called out Sen Ted Stevens (R-AK) to "come clean" about financial dealings that are under fed investigation	Talks about bipartisanship
Legislative Record	Passed a landmark ethics reform bill; Used veto to cut budgetary spending; Prevented "bridge to nowhere" that would have cost taxpayers $400 million dollars.	Voted "present" over 100 times as IL state senator
How they dealt with corrupt individuals in home city/state	Exposed legal violations and conflicts of interest of Alaska Republican leaders; Campaigned against corrupt GOP Representative; Ran against and defeated corrupt incumbent governor in GOP primary	Launched political career in home of unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers (and still refers to him as a part of "mainstream Democratic Chicago"; Purchased home with help of convicted felon Tony Rezko
Guns	Lifetime member of NRA and avid hunter; video can be found on YouTube of Palin firing an M4 at a military firing range	Worked to pass legislation in Illinois that would prevent all law-abiding citizens from owning firearms
Earmarks	Opposed "Bridge to Nowhere" project; Said Alaska should avoid relying on federal money for projects; Campaigned against porker Don Young (R-AK) in 2008 primary	Secured federal earmarks for wife's employer and for href='http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/12/did-obama-amplify-pork-for-bundlers/"' target=_blank top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)?>color=#0000ff size=4 New campaign bundlers
Abortion	Pro life; gave birth to 5th child knowing that it would have Down's syndrome	Pro-choice; only IL state sen. to speak against the Born Alive Infant's Protection Act, which required medical care to be given to live infants who survived abortions
Energy	Believes energy independence is a matter of national security; For drilling in ANWR, which is in her state	Says Americans should "get tune-ups" and "check tire pressure"; Says "we can't expect the world to be okay with" our use of heating and air conditioning
Environment	Chair of Alaska Conservation Commission (2003-4); Announced plans to create sub-cabinet group of advisors to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions in AK	Talks about the environment a lot
Athletic prowess	Runs marathons

The stark difference between...(sm)

pubs and dems when it comes to infidelity is that dems, for the most part, don't throw that term "family values" around like pubs do. Realistically, that is why its always worse for pubs when it comes to this.

BTW, did you know that Sen. Ensign is being investigated for the pub party funds that he used to pay his mistress and her son, as well as the firing of his mistress and her husband?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/23/MNVB18BO98.DTL

What's even better than that is Sen Corker's (TN) statement regarding Ensign. He said: "I think he's been very stand up about it."

What part was so stand-up about it? The affair itself? What it did to his family? How he paid off and then fired his mistress and her family?

Check this one out: "He apologized and we welcomed him back," Sen. Robert Bennett (R-Utah).

Sen. Mel Martinez (R-Fla.): "I think he's prepared to move on, and I wish him well."

They sure do have a different tone when it's one of their own.