The post says ENGLAND threw out
Posted By: Savage, not OBAMA. Sheesh! on 2009-05-16
In Reply to: I believe you need to actually READ the post! - nm
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I think I just threw up a little
Where are we supposed to get that money?
You threw that all together, not me......
I just made the point the word "homosexual" never has to be brought up. You teach your children not to act inappropriately......... period!
No need for any particular lifestyle to be brought in to the picture at all....
and you know it!
But since you're so hell bent on teaching our children what is right and what is wrong by the school system, why don't we gather all the homosexual children together and teach them they have to show the same appropriate behavior...... no name calling, bullying, etc.... there are plenty of them that do the exact same thing.... lets not forget that either.
I know, how bout we teach homosexual children that they have to be tolerant of the fact that not all other children will think "homosexuality" is okay and they have to be tolerant of that?
We could just keep going around and around couldn't we?
Hey Einstein they threw out a Republican too
kind of blows your theory out of the water that they throw out just people who don't agree with Bush policies. No, it's not a law but Capitol guidelines for proper attire. Just like I don't have governmental laws telling me I can't throw people I don't like out of my house I still can because I have guidelines for what is acceptable in my house. Everyone knows what Cindy was there for and it was to protest. There was no other reason for her to be there, period. Like the poster below said...catch up. This story is soooo last week like Cindy soooo overexposed.
I don't see anything to indicate McCain threw a tantrum...
but don't blame him for canceling. The interview was supposed to be about the #1, not the #2. And I think Tucker Bounds did a fine job. Campbell Brown did say, "I'll give it to you, Tucker baby." He wasn't intimidated that I could see. It was a pretty dumb question anyway. How would Tucker Bounds know what orders she had given to the Alaskan National Guard? And she said something pretty ridiculous...that the Alaskan governor would not deploy the national guard, Petraeus would. Uh...no. He might ask for them, but the governor has to deploy them.
Much ado about nothing, other than McCain standing on principle and not honoring one of their reporters trying to ramrod his campaign on the guise of talking about McCain and Obama and instead jumping on Palin.
As to Obama not going on O'Reilly...his handlers won't let him. He could not handle a strong interview. Hillary went, and Hillary did a good job. They don't want the contrast.
I wonder why he never threw his shoes at Saddam!
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Lynndie England
Lynndie deserves an apology
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Before being sentenced to three years in prison and a dishonorable discharge, Lynndie England apologized to just about everyone in sight. She apologized to coalition forces and all the families and to the detainees she and others had abused at Abu Ghraib prison - England was the smirking soldier holding the leash, you might remember - and to the families, America and all the soldiers. What she did not do is demand an apology in return. She's entitled to one.
A stronger person, maybe one with some political fiber, would have demanded an apology from her superiors - starting with the commander in chief, George W. Bush: How dare you send me into war for reasons that now seem downright specious? She might have demanded an explanation as well - not that she would have gotten one. After all, none of us really have. It was, it seems, some sort of mistake.
She might have demanded from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld an apology for a military plan that no one, with the possible exception of Mrs. Rumsfeld, thinks called for enough troops and which was implemented before all of the troops were on the ground. How dare you, sir, send me to war so exposed?
She might have demanded an apology from the Army for sending her to work in a bad and chaotic place without proper training. Who says they're sorry about that? Not the President. Not Rumsfeld. Just salute and shut up.
She might have demanded an apology for not being told if the Geneva Convention applied to her detainees. From the President on down, the unspoken message had gone forth that the war on terror was something new under the sun. And the prisoners in Abu Ghraib were not real soldiers because the actual war was over and the enemy defeated - or so said the President. The detainees were something else, terrorists maybe, linked if only by rhetoric to Osama Bin Laden and the darkest of evil. A little fun at their expense - a pyramid of nude men and some sexual abuse - is what they had coming. If she got that message, who can blame her? Better yet, who will apologize for it?
The Washington Post on Wednesday published a letter written to Sen. John McCain by an Army captain, a West Pointer at that. In it, Capt. Ian Fishback says that for 17 months he's been searching for the Army's standards regarding the humane treatment of detainees. He cannot find them. Surely, torture is applying a hot poker to some poor guy's rear end. But is it putting a leash on a nude man? Is it mocking his genitals? Is it, in fact, any of the things Lynndie England did and which, thanks to digital photography, so offended the Muslim world?
It's impossible not to be revolted by what England did and to insist that no American should need special training in the humane treatment of fellow human beings. But she is, as she says, weak and passive and the sort of woman who is an easy mark for a man with the gift of fibbery. This was Charles Graner, her superior, boyfriend and the father of her child. As is very often the case in life and literature, the perpetrator is often also a victim. No reading of England's life story can stand any other interpretation. She is one of life's losers.
Nonetheless, she deserves her punishment. So do the others. But at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and elsewhere, the buck stops suspiciously low in the chain of command. Somehow, no one higher up is responsible for the situation England found herself in or for what she did. She's apparently accustomed to this sort of thing - just another example of getting stuck with the baby. Maybe someday she'll realize that a whole lot of very important people did her wrong. Who will apologize for that?
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Prayers and thoughts to our friends in England
We are thinking of them
She;s right, it is serious. There was one student from England who voted early...sm
in Ohio. I would definitely call that voter fraud, wouldn't you?
Heaven knows what they'll find out when they finally get down to it.
Acorn is really messing things up for everybody, both parties included. No matter who takes Ohio, obviously, there's going to be fraud going on. Not to mention all the other states with the same problem.
And before you go off on the fact that the link is from FoxNews below....try to remember the facts, that none of the other networks will cover this....because they're all in the tank for Obama.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/10-16-2008/0004905682&EDATE=
How sad for all of us, only 1/3 of people wanted to break away from England too. nm
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Typical sentiment from the party of no responsibility. Cohen that is, not England.
Brown's Economic Plan in England Mirrors Obama's
As you read the piece (see link below) in the London Times, substitute "Obama" for Brown, and "Geithner" for "Darling". Then multiply the billions in pounds by 1.5 to change them to US dollars. You'll think you're reading about the US plan - and the same catastrophic results, among which the worst are:
1. A burden on future generations of unparalleled and unprincipled proportions.
2. An outflow of investment capital to other countries that do not penalize the engines of the economy.
What struck me about Brown's plan was his "soak the rich" approach, which exactly mirrors Obama's - i.e., hitting the "upper 2%" of the "wealthy". It is more than passing strange to me that this is the precise percentage that Obama proposes - and is equally doubtful. Given Brown's recent meetings with Obama, no one will ever convince me that he didn't get some tutoring from our superclown...er, I mean, superpresident.
Another thing that's striking is how Brown's proposals are structured so that the real pain will be imposed after the elections in GB next year. In Obama's case, most of the real pain has also been scheduled for the "out years" - meaning that the public won't begin to feel them until beyond 2011.
And finally, there is the criticism that Brown's program is based on a lot of rosy "recovery" predictions which are very doubtful. Exactly the same criticism has been leveled at Obama's program, and in our case the criticism has come not from the opposition party but from within the government itself, i.e. the Office of Management and Budget - which is considered to be a very credible source of information on this sort of thing
Cut and paste, or follow the link at the bottom: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article6168950.ece?Submitted=true
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P.S. Please scroll down after reading above post. Washington Post article included.
Reprinted in Boston Globe. Sorry!
I wrote: I second JTBB's post, 'watcher's post is misinformed crap...sm
pYou have also to read what's posted 'inside' the message.
Oops, meant to post this under the loose trolls post...
I'm going to keep ignoring these troll posts. It's kind of fun, actually, just pretend you don't see them.
Post the direct link. I don't see the post you're referring to.
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The post I quoted was the entire post. It was not taken out of context. sm
I imagine there are as many emotions and thoughts going on with our troops as possible and each does not feel the same as the other, which is obvious by the posts here.
Sorry gourdpainter, my other post should have been under the wacky Pakistan post (nm)
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Why did you post this? Republicans have been asked NOT to post here..Bye Bye.
Why did you post this? Happy Thanksgiving is enough but to be so happy we have a republican president? Why did you post that? I would like to remind you, you are on the liberal board. Are you trying to start trouble? If so, let me know and I will report you immediately. No, Im not happy we have a republican president, a warmonger chickenhawk president. Does that answer your question? Now, go back to the republican board. We dont want you here and actually the moderator and administrator have asked republicans not to post here..Bye..bye..
Forgot to post a link in 1st post. Sorry.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/money/tax/article1996735.ece
Please refer me to any post where I referred to either the post...
or the poster as ignorant. And I certainly never sunk to the levels you did at the top of the post, against a man who is ill in a wheelchair. Pot calling the kettle black...?
I re-read your post, and I stand by my post.
You are twisting his words by saying that he wants to make friends with terrorists. That is not what he said.
Ya gotta understand the rules. We have to post on this board only. They can post on any board they
The above post explains a lot about everything else you post!
Your revelation about being married to a career Army guy explains why your views are skewed so drastically to the far right! I thought it had to do with small-town Pennsylvania, but now I truly understand where you are coming from. Thank you for explaining that us. We will read your posts in a completely different light now that we know the truth.
If you want to post something on the subject, post
objective views. This is a one-sided publication that asks for donations to keep it going. Nothing I read in there posts anything against any democrats, just republicans. It is not a fair-minded reporting.
I like to read both sides of the aisle but this publication spews hatred for anything not democratic in order to sell books. To those who can't see both sides, this blog, or publication as they like to state, is just up their aisle. I shake my head at one-sided news. Taken from their web site:
"Indeed, a founding idea of the Consortium for Independent Journalism was that a major investment was needed in journalistic endeavors committed to honestly informing the American people about important events, no matter what the political and economic pressures.
While we are proud of the journalistic contribution that this Web site has made over the past decade – and while we are deeply grateful to our readers whose contributions have kept us afloat – we also must admit that we have not made the case well enough that this mission is a vital one.
Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His new book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth.' "
I second your post and 'watcher's post
is misinformed crap.
My post was a direct answer to the direct post...
of Democrat. It was not a blank open-ended statement. And dial it back a notch...it is certainly your right to protest anything any time you want to. Just like it is my right to protest you protesting while men and women are still in harm's way, because you are in effect aiding the enemy. Apparently the Viet Nam experience taught you nothing. Americans protesting in the streets heartened the enemy and when they were about to surrender decided not to, based a lot upon what was happening in the American streets. I believe that the protesting in that war prolonged the war and cost more American lives. Hanoi Jane should have been tried for treason. That being said...lessons were not learned and the protestors are doing the exact same thing now. Exercising the very right bought for them by shedding of American military blood. And I still say common courtesy should keep people out of the streets and off the TV until the military are home safe. But it just proves the same thing to me over and over...the selfISHhness of the protestors vs. the selfLESSness of the military. They continue to put it all on the line for your right to protest anything you want to protest...it is up to YOU to decide where and when that is appropriate, and it is up to you to take the heat for same. It is up to me and others like me (in my opinion) to apply that heat. Go ahead and do whatever your conscience or lack thereof moves you to do. But do not expect those of a different mind not to protest the protest.
Thanks for the post. I think I will look up that
article.
And thanks for pointing out all the other "results" of his administration that, as you say, benefit nobody but the rich and/or the corporations or, as he himself once publicly bragged, "his base."
I know for a fact that when he ran for President in 2000, I told every single person I knew that if he becomes President, we're going to go to war with Iraq. (Nobody's gonna treat his daddy like Saddam did and get away with it.)
I didn't have a crystal ball. I had common sense and a good memory from the Gulf War when his father was President and how he didn't "finish the job." Seems a lot of other Americans forgot about that.
I really enjoyed reading your post and all the facts you raised that I failed to raise in mine. Thanks for the mention of the LA Times article. I'm going to try to look that up on the web. 
I know they don't. I said that in my post. NM
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Actually, that post is right on. sm
You sound like a total lunatic, out of control and full of hatred. You sound like someone who could do just what "vs" says. You had best take a look at your behavior. YOUR posts are the ones who should be reported. You are one frightening person.
Re your post
From your post:
"Did you read Mein Kampf? Would that be good enough evidence for you, because he wrote about it in there."
Wrote about what? That the Jews were socialists?
This is an entirely different post.
Really wasn't directed to you anyhow.
your post is just sad
I'm actually feeling sad for you right now gt. You obviously don't know what Christianity is about. Pat Robertson does not speak for me, and I don't endorse what he said. I'm sorry you are so bitter and hate filled that you would wish anyone to burn in hell. There are some evil people in this world but my first wish for them is that they find Christ and turn from their evil ways with His help. I too hope one day you find Christ, gt, and quit letting misguided Christians and Christian leaders keep you from HIM. Their blunders are not worth your eternal soul.
thank you for your post
What a great post, so heartfelt and I thank you for it.
Yes I do. see my post below. nm
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The post.
You think there is only one patriot here? Get a trip on your sour shrivled heart and try not to speak.
Whoops! I made a mistake. My bad.
This is the post where the NEOCON tells the LIBERAL not to speak ON HER OWN BOARD!
They can't show a post of a liberal telling Army Mom not to speak because it doesn't exist.
Where did you get that from my post?
Really? I did? Where do you read that in my post? I talk about taking care of the middle class and that the rich really dont give a darn about the middle class. I talk about a friend who is quite smug and out of touch with real America. No where do I mention anything about Kerry or Kennedy.
please post
I would appreciate it if you could post statements from Black Americans that they are okay with Bennetts comments.
What does that have to do with gt's post
I said if we had posted something like that we would have been castigated. You're just proving that point. I'm not in a pissing contest with you...really
And another *right-on* post!
I agree with every single word you said. America is becoming a very scary place indeed. I believe, as you do, that there are people who are eagerly awaiting the *Rapture* and indeed believe they have the *inside track* to heaven. Unfortunately, it look as if this country might actually suffer from their self-fulfilled prophecy if it continues going backwards in time under Bush's completely inept leadership.
Please keep posting. I really enjoy reading your posts.
Thanks very much for your post.
It makes me feel a lot better to hear someone say they're against this. When express outrage at my posting about the issue, instead of expressing outrage about the issue itself, it truly makes me wonder.
I honestly do not recall any threads on the conservative board about this issue. All I recall is total silence (or attacks) when the issue is mentioned.
I also wasn't trying to imply that the crime of child molestation is more prevalent in one political party or another. Obviously, that's irrelevant, and I have a hard time even associating a criminal like that with any political views one way or the other.
It's just that this seems to be a no-brainer, an issue on which virtually everyone can agree, yet the right seems to be eerily quiet when this topic comes up.
Thank you for this post!
Thanks for this post!! I heard about it somewhere but in the chaos that has become my life lately, I probably would have completely forgotten about it..so glad you submitted this..
Please see my post to you above.
I made a mistake and posted my reply in the wrong place. Sorry.
This post had nothing to do with the US...
being a guiltless superpower. It had to do with devaluation of life and a moral decline and what that can inevitably lead to. As to your post, yes, many bad things have happened in many countries...yet if you stack up the dollars, the American lives, that we have poured into human rights issues around the world, you will see that we are far, far ahead of the rest of the world. Nobody can do it all, but America as a country has been the least likely to turn its head in those cases. As a side note, I am of Cherokee and Choctaw descent and I do not believe, nor have I ever, that America as a country has thought my ancestors subhuman. There are always, within any culture, those who set themselves above others. Even among Indian peoples they enslaved other Indian peoples. No one, no culture, is blameless; and no one, no culture, can fix it all. However, as a country, America's record in giving of aid in money, human technical support, human military support, etc., far surpasses any other nation. And we continue to do it, even when we the hand are bitten by those we feed. Because that is what America is as a country. That is why I love this country, what she stands for, and while I am proud of every bit of my ancestry, I am also very proud to be an American.
Re: Your post
You wrote:
That is what America does. We point at what we believe to be wrong and say so. At least we used to.
I beg to differ somewhat on your view of our historical treatment of the Native Americans, being an amateur historian of the settlement of the West. The Native Americans alternately were glorified or vilified by the white culture. Had they not been portrayed as subhumans by our government at one time in the history of the West they would not have been exterminated so carelessly at times. As well, our history of race relations with blacks in the south is certainly nothing to be proud of. Perhaps another country should have come along in both instances and pointed at us, or we should have perhaps pointed at ourselves.
Your post
Yes, in some cases Native Americans were vilified by SOME in the white culture, not all. Yes, there were bad whites. Yes, they often attacked and killed when they should not have. Indians also attacked and killed when they should not have. The very first Americans, I am not talking about the West, but the colonists, got along with American colonists. And, as I stated, Indian peoples mistreated each other as well. There were wars, massacres, slavery, ill treatment. I do not say that to excuse anyone. I also do not think a the blame game for something that happened in the past is not productive. It does not enable people to learn from the past and move on. The persons involved in the villifying are long since dead. Yes, we need to learn from it, but we do not need to bear grudges. As I stated, I am of Indian descent, two different tribes. I bear no grudges. The people who did the deeds are long since dead and my bearing a grudge against men long dead serves no purpose. As to history of race relations with the blacks.... and if I might point out here members of my Cherokee ancestor's tribe, owned slaves. Slavery was not confined to the south. And, as a country, we DID point at ourselves. In case you do not recall, our country was divided and a civil war was fought. Many of my Cherokee ancestors fought for the Confederacy, the slaves they held right beside them. Members of the tribe of my ancestors were involved in the Trail of Tears, but they also held slaves. We need to leave the past in the past, learn from it, and move on steadfast in the idea that we will not allow it to happen again. That is the best thing we can do for those long since dead. Slavery was not the only issue in the civil war, but it was a major issue. So, I would say most definitely, we pointed at ourselves concerning slavery. No country would point at us because of slavery, because most other countries practiced it too. Slavery was not an American thing. Other countries had a class system, the haves and the have nots, and treated the lower cases horribly as well. This was not a problem that was originated in America. The difference is, it was not the entire country with us. We did not believe in that kind of behavior as a country, and we were willing to divide and fight a civil war because of that belief. As an aside, Africans enslaved each other. It was Africans who sold other Africans to white traders. As I said, there is blame to be had everywhere. Is there a country in the world with a history less repugnant to you than the US? Who has a history devoid of mistreatment?
No, want to see the post where I said....
....that I enjoyed finding errors and correcting people. This post says I enjoy doing research. I enjoy most research I do. I also worked in epidemiology in medical research for a good part of my 30s and 40s. Loved it. That's probably why I can be kind of exasperatingly exacting about people citing fiction as fact.
See my post above
It would certainly take an alternate reality to convice me of this.
THANK you for this post....if they want to
IF these posters want to continue to bury their heads in the sands, so be it.
and to FACT FINDER: You're gosh darn right - I'M scared of ALL of them - they all have an AGENDA...(members of the CFR/New World order/New American Century) -
How dare you be condescending and patroning to me or any poster and tell me to *run along* - I'm probably old enough to be your mother, or grandmother.
and remember, it's my generation that has the MOST number of voters today...those from 50-75 - we WILL make a big impact......
and no matter what I posted about Barack - I was not rude, patronizing, and condescending to any poster, as a few of you were.
We can all agree to disagree, now can't we? 
Just as an aside, I was evacuated on 9/11/01 from Newark Airport trying to get home (was in the financial district on 9/10/01) and it took me an extra week to get home....
so perhaps I'm more paranoid than most - and then you'll all have to forgive me because while we all changed that day, I never recouped from the incident nor will I ever. Yeah, it's my problem - but it's also EVERYBODY's problem.
And while I have Muslim friends - I also married French......and have watched France's Islamic population grow in leaps and bounds the past 30 years, coming close now to 30 percent of the country (60 million people in France, well over 25 percent are Muslim).......and I don't want that happening here. I want freedom for EVERYBODY - not people planning to take us down.....there are far too many extremist Muslims who want to do America harm (remember *Death To America* you hear chanted....remember so many of them dancing in the streets once 9/11 happened - Americans have short memories and forget far too quickly in my opinion).
I did read yesterday from some political blogger that down the road here in America, we should expect bombings in the street, car bombings - and when I spoke to my neighbors about this, they said *We are surprised it hasn't happened here yet* -
It's a very scary world today....so forgive me for my own paranoia - paranoia in this case being a heightened sense of reality.
Have a nice day!!
Your post...
Most of the information I found on S-CHIP was the expansion bill itself was on Congressional Library website, but there was no qualifying criteria listed because that is determined mostly by individual states. To find out what the qualifying criteria are, I think your best bet would be, since it is mostly state-administered, would be to go to the state websites to make a comparsion. Use New York state, like you suggest, go to their website and see if there is any information about qualifying. Then check the state site of midwestern, more rural state...like Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa....if that doesn't work, just do internet search on *qualifying criteria for S-CHIP* and see what comes up. It could be that they don't publish that information on the net...don't know.
Now THIS is exactly why I used to like coming to this board. You see, I had just assumed that was written into the program, but it may very well NOT be, and if it is not, it SHOULD be.
I would still be against expanding it across the board, but I most definitely be FOR the income to qualify be driven by where the recipient lives.
Thanks!
Thanks, your post
must've been where I heard the New York thing. I didn't see an actual amount in the proposal either, so I think it will be up to the states to decide and I'm assuming the federal government will have the final say if a cap is too high. Funny how it's only the absolute maximum amount requested that gets reported as the 'norm'.
see post below
about Clinton being "blown to bits." Your response - Freudian slip? What are volunteering for? Retort to. Take it as you will through your personal filter.
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