The point is Obama NEVER thought it was important
Posted By: either.................nm on 2009-06-10
In Reply to: The reason the media covered - Trigger Happy
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Just thought I would point out that a few days ago or so, an Obama
supporter actually used the snarky kool aid and cult lines towards me because of my views regarding the end times and Obama's and America's role. I think it went something like "talk about drinking the kool aid..." Funny how when the shoe is on the other foot, it's inflammatory and hateful! But no one said boo, not even me I might add, when someone basically threw those insults at me. That knife cuts both ways sista! OUCH!
Nicely worded but you are missing an important point
I don't know the history of your posts, but when you suggest: "Democrats/liberals, start your threads, and I will not encroach upon them. I would ask for the same respect from you as I post independently. There will be no need for you to open any of them or to spend half a page piling on. I will respect your threads. Kindly respect others."
You are forgetting at least two things:
1. If we are supposed to NOT be divided as you post toward the end, WHY would you actively ask people with different opinions NOT to respond (encroach) on your threads? Do you want ONLY people who agree with you to respond? Think about that before you answer.
2. Until/unless the moderators CENSOR this board and not allow anyone to post to anything, it's not up to you to tell me or anyone else what they can post, or where. You say in your post: So let's allow both sides to present views, support their candidates, exercise our right to free speech, have diverging opinions.... but telling people not to encroach on your space and vice versa is the antithesis of "allowing both sides to present view... have divergent opinons.
Finally, don't be too sensivive: If someone responds to my post with hate, an insult, etc., I can simply CHOOSE to ignore the post. Choose your battles.
As for me, I have total respect for Senator McCain's *military* experience, but I don't want someone who has voted 90% with the most corrupt 'president' in our history - to be in charge of my America for the next 4+ years. He's not a Maverick, he's a hypocrite and bush minion.
And I think everyone that thinks the issue of his BC is not important is missing the point..
if indeed he was born elsewhere and he is hiding it, what a way to start a presidency. What else will he hide or lie about. JUST have a judge look at your certificate and validate it for EVERYONE, so that we can feel comfortable in knowing.
You actually think it is more important for Obama...
to keep campaigning than to go back to Washington and do his job as a United States Senator which he, by the way, still is and we are paying him for? Pullezzzeeee.
No, we dont know. If Obama is a liar, it IS important.
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I thought Brunson made a good point down below.
One of the reasons the antiwar protesters have not been taken more seriously is that they have personalized this against Bush and not against war. I do think it is possible to separate the two. But I also think that protesting in the streets puts our military at risk, in fact I know that it does. The pen is a mighty weapon. Senators and congressmen and women want to be reelected. Sitting in front of the WH with a bullhorn and shouting obscenities and name calling to the President of the United States is not going to ever work. And it shows a distinct lack of respect, if not for the man, then for the office and the White House itself.
Do I need some kind of motive to post what I thought was a good read..and your point is..
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Here's a thought Obama.....
How 'bout we kick their butts out of this country, since after all, they are here ILLEGALLY, and then they can go through the same legal means everyone else has to go through.....
We don't need 'reform'....we need the laws that are already in place to be EXECUTED!! There's a thought!!
Regardless who is leading the band.....they are criminals here illegally! And lets not parade their children about on TV trying to elicit pity from everyone....look at all the homeless children left behind... pleeeeeze!!!
The parents were here illegally. They can take their children back with them.... no one is stopping them!
Thought of that, but Obama is running for the top
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I thought you said Obama was addressing his
just trying to clarify it for you. You seem to be easily led..... oops, misled.
Fine. I just thought it was bad taste, and I am no Obama fan.
But whatever I guess.
I thought poster had remarked about Obama
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Exactly. The real Obama himself. I thought Powell
was to be picked for something by Obama since Powell endorsed Obama. Waiting to see where Oprah fits in this too. Already picking shady characters for his team and more liberals. Partisanship, my ....
I'm sorry...........is Bush in office? Thought Obama
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I thought Obama was going to unite Washington
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People thought Bush was so bad, under Obama,
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OMG, I hope my post didn't look like I thought Obama did it
I know he didn't. He's a very decent person and respectful and when something is wrong he'll say so (and will have words with his people if they cross the line). I wasn't sure who did it. The news said they were going to tell us who is responsible but they never did (go figure). I just think its a horrible thing to happen to anyone and DH and I were talking tonight about when did all the nasty things like this start happening. I'm sure 100 or so years ago it wasn't bad like this. I just think it's a horrible world when someone is running for an office and people think its okay to do this. How low will they go?
You just proved my point. Still nothing positive to say about Obama.
There you go. At least counter the argument with something positive about Obama. That is if there is anything. Otherwise its all just blowing smoke.
Her point is that Obama voted repeatedly against tax breaks for the middle class and suddenly he'
the middle class person's best friend! Funny how now he wants to help us, when each time he had the opportunity to, he voted against it.
I just thought it might be nice to hear an original thought. sm
I guess I was reaching.
more important to you?
Excuse me, more important to you than me? No, it is more important to ME. You are an onlooker, it is my blood.
He has just never been that important to me.. nm
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So are dad's not as important?
Is this what you are suggesting because I do believe some of SP's children are older than Obama's and yet no one seems to be spatting about him leaving his children to run for president. Of SP's 5 children....only 2 are younger....which is the same number of young children Obama has. Yet it seems to be okay with everything that he just let Michelle Obama raise their children while he runs around the country to be prez. Why is it not acceptable that Todd Palin take care of the two younger children while his wife tries to make this country better....including for her children. Why....because Todd is the dad and he should be out working while SP stay at home cooking, cleaning, taking care of the kids.........seriously....who time warped us back to the 50s?
Oh I see....what was more important than ....
the Katrina victims at that point? Looks like I need to go to the senate site and see what Biden and Obama felt was so important they had to vote for the bridge.
People WERE suffering from Katrina and they had a chance to vote for it. They chose not to. Where does integrity come in? Where is country first, party second? What was so all-fired important they voted FOR a huge earmark for a bridge and against help for Katrina victims?
As as for pork...it is added by BOTH parties and that is what McCain/Palin seek to stop. Plus earmarks for personal gain...like Obama earmarking a million bucks for his wive's employer...who had just that month DOUBLED her salary.
Face it...Obama is old Washington politics, just like Biden is. There is no change there. Same old washington politics. He has demonstrated throughout his career. Yes, other politicians do it. That is exactly what I am talking about.
It is time it stopped, and the only people who have ANY history of bucking their own party to do that are McCain/Palin. Now THERE is change you can believe in.
Well, I think it is more important when the man...
running on the ticket with you only a few months ago voiced the opinion that you were not qualified for the job...however...in a strict changing your story view, yes. Weighing the importance of the two issues (lipstick on a pig and your #2 saying you were not qualified for the job) is up to the reader.
How is this not important?
I know that, on the surface, it's really easy to write this off as a nonissue. But I would ask that, regardless of party, everyone stop for a moment and consider what it MEANS.
It means that a make-up artist was more important to the McCain campaign than any other adviser or staff member. It's representative of shallowness and wasteful excess. It shows clear skewed judgment in what's important in our nation.
And, frankly, it was clearly wasteful expenditure. Palin looked perfectly fine before the excessive celebrity life the campaign brought to her. There was no need for this. She's an attractive woman, and absolutely not in need of this Paris Hilton-esque extravagance.
Why the campaign and RNC thought it would make her more "popular" is pretty head-scratching. Instead, they just made themselves look like, well, the type of people who aren't really "for" the middle class after all. The type of people who think style is more important than substance.
Is it?
Why this is important...(sm)
If Bush is not tried for his crimes, it sets a precedence for successive abuse of power....even for Obama. As a country, until we acknowledge and correct our shortcomings we cannot move forward. What do you think the rest of the world will say if we don't do something about it? We talk alot about justice and being fair, but until we can show that we are willing to uphold those ideals we are no better than the ones who would commit those crimes.
The economy is the focus right now, and yes, it should be dealt with first and foremost, and that is being done. But that is not to say that we cannot accomplish other things at the same time. If they do go after Bush, all Obama has to do is step aside and not stop the preceedings. This is all about the judicial branch of government, not the White House.
Thought this was good so I thought I'd share
Down the drain? Beware of Obama's plan to 'spread the wealth around'
By Betsy Newmark
High School History and Government Teacher/Blogger
If the McCain campaign can’t use this Obama quote to raise doubts about his attitude towards wealth and success, then they deserve the shellacking they seem headed for.
“Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?” the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed “more and more for fulfilling the American dream.”
“It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too,” Obama responded. “My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
Plumbers of the country, unite! Forget about the work and effort you put into building up a business or the scummy work that you do that many of us don’t know or don’t want to do. If you have succeeded, you should be willing to give up more of what you earn to help those who haven’t had the great good luck that you have had to be a successful plumber. Remember how Obama is going to give 95% of all of us a tax cut even though over 30% of the population doesn’t pay taxes?
He might call it a tax credit, but what he’s really doing is his vision of “spreading the wealth around.” It sounds a lot like Huey Long’s 1935 plan to “Share the Wealth.” And when he finds that he can’t tax the top 5% of the population to gain enough wealth to spread to the 95% of the rest of us, do you really think that he’ll stop with that 5%?
Remember…This is the guy who said in the ABC debate during the primary season that his approach to raising tax on capital gains is not based on whether it would provide more revenue but on his idea of what is fair:
GIBSON: All right. You have, however, said you would favor an increase in the capital gains tax. As a matter of fact, you said on CNBC, and I quote, “I certainly would not go above what existed under Bill Clinton,” which was 28 percent. It’s now 15 percent. That’s almost a doubling, if you went to 28 percent.
But actually, Bill Clinton, in 1997, signed legislation that dropped the capital gains tax to 20 percent.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: And George Bush has taken it down to 15 percent.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased; the government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down.
So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?
OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I’ve said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.
Just what we need in these fragile economic times — a guy who wants to raise taxes because he thinks it’s a matter of “fairness” and time to “spread the wealth around.”
That will be some incentive for other plumbers who want to work hard and build up a successful business.
But don’t worry - according to Joe Biden, it’s the patriotic thing to do.
Haha! I thought I was the only one who thought he looked
Seems pretty important to me
Well, if his trustee is saying Frist was updated regularly on his blind trust, I kind of think that is something. It is a formal investigatinn by the SEC. I kind of think that is something.
Yeah, you wish you were important enough
for somebody to be spying on you....does your paranoia know no bounds? 
BUt that's the most important thing to me....
Unfortunately not all news sources are created equal and unbiased.
As far as things changing over time.....it seems that things have to change as new information is brought to light. Ask Colin Powell. We have to adapt and change with this new information.
Can't find your quote from Russert to Cheney anywhere on the internet.
As far as Tenet's slam-dunk comment, the people at that meeting were Bush, Cheney, and CIA-director John McLaughlin.....oh, and you. Couldn't find any female names mentioned in that meeting, however.
As far as the 747 fuselage in the desert....could only find a handful of references to it on the whole internet and none were compelling and again, most were from far right wing publications.
I feel a story is only as truthful as its source and sometimes the truthfulness of a story can never be completely determined. You say the source doesn't matter, I say it is EVERYTHING. Reflect upon North Korea today, former communist Russia and China even today....all highly censored government news sources. Those folks will never get the real story and heaven knows it's hard enough to get it in a free country like the US.
much too important to go unread
brought up from below.
It's long been a safe assumption that U.S. troops generally vote Republican. And with Vietnam war hero John McCain leading the GOP presidential ticket, many pundits expect the military to favor the Republicans with their wallets, too. But so far, Barack Obama appears to be leading his rival by a 6-to-1 margin in campaign contributions from deployed troops. The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics reports that Obama has collected just over $60,000 from deployed troops compared to McCain's $10,000 in figures up to June 30.
More importantly, why is it so important to YOU
What are you so afraid is going to happen if some of us don't?
Important issue
Dealing with our enemies - I read an article and was going to post the link, but the article is positioned on the page odd and I had to scroll down to the bottom and words went off the screen so I cut and pasted some of it here. If you still wish to see the article let me know and I'll provide a link..
Obama is described as “eloquent and dazzling. In writing, he sounds like the candidate for class president pledging no more homework and free pizza”. – (pretty good description I'd say)
His position on Iran – “If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation”. – That, that’ll show them.
While other candidates have insisted that we should threaten to drop nuclear bombs on terrorist training camps, Obama believes that we must talk openly about nuclear weapons – because “the best way to keep America safe is not to threaten terrorists with nuclear weapons”. Obama will secure all loose nuclear materials in the world within four years. “This will deny terrorists the ability to steal or buy loose nuclear material”. – Does he really believe the most vicious people will be thwarted that easily?
People should remember that no matter how eloquently offered it is not always for the better.
Did I miss something important? AS is a pub gov
He ran under the pub ticket and was elected by Californian pubs and other star-struck Californians. Do you disagree with the idea that repulicans come in different flavors or should I be translating you message from Christian right-wing fringe-speak to mean roughly "my way or the highway" on what it means to be a REAL republican?
The most important issue.....
this election is freedom. On November fourth we will determine which path our government will take, liberty or Marxism. I will choose liberty.
McCain/Palin 2008 
I guess I consider it to be more important
to be well read and informed on the important issues rather than worrying about some trivial little geek-speak that you seem so well versed in. Congratulations, you win the petty award of the day!!
Believe it or not, the appearance is also very important..
IN ADDITION to his fabulous qualifications.
I recommend you to log off and take a rest.
Thank you! There are so many actual important
issues to be discussing rather than wasting time on their silly fairy tale while the economy crumbles.
Why do you just ignore the important
the gutter? Girl, you need to get a life! Oh, that's right, you said you did already. Transcribing 3500 lines a day, then the rest of a day stirring the pot on an internet forum just isn't my idea of a life.
NOTHING is more important from a president than
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What's more important than the most vulnerable........
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The important question here is..
You are rude and condescending. I hope it gives you back some little feeling of power that is obviously missing in your "real" life. I pity you.
I'm going with -- because they have more important things to do (nm)
I guess I think it's important to know his history.
In my case, that means a lot to me, even when people say things I agree with. Besides, a famous man once said A litany of complaints is not a plan. I believe most Americans want us out of Iraq. I don't believe a precipitous withdrawal will be to the benefit of anyone. None of us wants to see those men (not boys, as Phil says. That's an insult to these men and women who are all enlisted voluntarily.) and women harmed. The idealouge is definitely diametrically opposed. Some mouthpieces are just better to hear it from than Phil Donahue. As Bernard Goldberg said of Phil in 100 People Who are Screwing up America, Phil Donahue made the world safe for emotion masquerading as thought. His first guest on his first show was Madalyn O'Hair (very appropo, since he is himself an atheist). Bernard says in his book that his show was so fresh that no one stopped to realize how far, even for a liberal, his ideas were from the mainstream. But mainly what he did, in show after show, year after year, was give tremendous exposure, and his own strong support, to the forces challenging traditional beliefs and behavior. Phil was the champion of the it's not your fault, blame society way of thinking. His shows centered around this way of thinking. His virulent hatred for authority extended to anyone in positions of authority, including police, for whom he had an especial loathing. Yes, we will have to agree to disagree.
There doesn't seem to be any objectivity here. However, more important
there seems to be no concern for what is going on in our classrooms. I am not talking about political bias, either. I am talking about WHAT THE TEACHER SAID. It's been recorded. There is no way to misinterpret it. I am AMAZED that anyone would defend it. But not surprised. Thankfully, not all liberals are so close-minded. And I AM thankful for that.
but in that 24 hours important information
could get away. The NSA should be monitored, but 24 hours on wiretaps that need to be done right now is just not realistic for accurate intelligence gathering.
When you dial into a phone line you've just given up your right to privacy. You are not guaranteed privacy on phone lines owned by private companies. There is no privacy contract of any sort when you dial a phone. That's where the disconnect lies. Pardon the pun.
You said it, I didn't...you said those things are important...
so why not post those concerns instead of Bush bashes? Lip service. You do not believe your own platform.
If John Edwards was not important...
The Clintonites are now saying that John Edwards nomination is not that important. (what???)
If that is true then why did she campaign so hard to try to get him to endorse her? Why did she immediately after he dropped out of the race change her tone and try to mimick him. You know for a fact if he endorsed her she would be making this out to be the greatest victory in America.
The fact is this IS an important endorsement. As important as AL Gore's will be and as important as Bush's endorsement to the republicans.
She's just upset that it took away the limelight of her win in W.Virginia, which I believe was not as big as a win in Iowa, Washington State, Maine and other bigger states. Now they said that because Obama didn't win WV there is no way he'll win the election in November?....yeah right. Funny how they are completely missing all his big wins. Of course they are trying to spin it as if all of his wins are not important...only the ones she won. Brother give me a break!
The sooner she is out of the race the more I can breath a sigh of relief!
mccain 2 important things
When making up your mind remember that when a town hall participant said we needed to restart the draft, McCain said he did not disagree. Why a draft if the war is being resolved and no other ones in the works? Also, McCain wants to privitize Social Security. Bush did his best to get that begun, and the country resoundly said thanks, no thanks. Wall Street disasters like oil speulators, Enron and Fannie Mae surely are enough to give a thinking voter pause when it comes to turning over your future retirement to those on Wall Street
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