The people spoke with their vote.
Posted By: Let it go until the next vote. on 2008-11-15
In Reply to: Prop 8 --- majority rules problem...(sm) - Just the big bad
Changes should happen slowly to ensure we really want those changes to be put into place and to give time for any and all actions to be ordered.
It was voted on. It was a legitimate vote.
I think it sends a clear message that everyone is not ready for this type of change yet.
It's our (those who support Prop 8) country, too.
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The people spoke
The Supreme Court over-ruled their decision. They were given another opportunity to make their voices heard and rejected the legality of gay marriage a second time.
This is the democratic process at work: the majority rules. Funny how quickly that goes by the wayside when the liberal shoe is on the other foot.
Not to mention, THE PEOPLE vote for these laws and
People vote to place ridiculous bans on things because they saw on the news that a so-called scientific study told them it's for the good of all. Don't bother to trace back to who paid for that study and who will reap the rewards of the ban. My oh my, they said it's for the good of the people, so therefore, I shall vote as they instruct. The latest? They've now banned fast food restaurants in California because they apparently feel that poor people can't make good health choices. What an insult! If people are that poor, they probably can't afford fast food anyway because fast food ain't all exactly cheap these days.
But you go right on blaming the Democrats or the Republicans or whichever group you see fit. The vote still lays in the hands of the people of this country. The more I see so many Democrats here acting like everyone is a complete moron for having any kind of opposing view and touting every single thing a Democrat does as the holy grail, the more I feel like moving to another country. Wake up! If you can't admit that even Democrats make mistakes and aren't saviors, then you are prejudiced.
and you know lots of people DID NOT vote for him because he's black -
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The majority of the people didn't vote him in because of his polcies
They voted him in because he's black. Plain and simple.
BTW - I sitting here with a nice hot cup of coffee trying to warm up these icy toes of mine. Been in reality a long time. You should come join us.
why do we vote for people to make things complicated?
People who make their bills 900 pages should be rejected on the spot. There should be a page max to make sure that the people representing us fully understands what they are getting US into. JERKS!!!! thanks for showing me that!
Totally wrong because the most educated people vote for Obama sm
That is a fact. The dumb, uneducated vote repub, the greedy rich vote repub and the religious right vote repub. The college educated people vote Obama. Why do you think McBush and Failin are out there calling Joe SixPack etc... that's their only hope. They know the filthy rich without conscience will vote for them. They know the religiouis nuts but some of the eehaas and dummies have been going to Obama and McBush and Failin are freaking out a little.
obama won...he wouldn't really because people won't really vote for black and lie to polls
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He also spoke of h-e-ll
and the repercussions of not accepting him as Christ. He also flat out told the pharisees that they were going to h-e-ll for what they were doing. He didn't just preach love. He told people how it was. He warned us that there is a h-e-ll and people go there. You can't teach the good without the bad.
Huckabee spoke about this the other day
He said a very astute financial guy with decades of eperience had noticed a very unusual trend in the market last week; that every day at the same time late in the day, the market would begin selling off huge volumes, just in time where it could not rebound and then this would start again the next day, with no rebound gain. He questioned economic terrorism then.
And it did make us wonder then if this thing was being manipulated. When the government over the weekend began singing how they were going to put money in the banks that was a big sign for me that there may be something to the suspicions. This gave governments an exception to buy into banks, thereby starting the ball of socialism. Government should never ever be involved in banks like this.
I don't think for a moment this has anything to do with not paying China off because China has been hacking into the World Trade Bank in Europe for over a year.... a year! And their people can't keep them out. So, that tells me China has been involved in this manipulation for a long time. They managed to get very private financial documents with loan information and procurements on them that would allow them to really manipulation behind the scenes with all that information they have.
I don't doubt China has EVERYTHING to do with this. But if we keep buying more of their junk and refuse to buy anything but their junk, then we have no one to blame but ourselves. We should start demanding our government NOT import any more goods from China and that our companies going over there to save taxes be given tax exemptions ONLY if they bring all their business back to this country.
When I was growing up, my great aunts always said keep us out of the United Nations and don't do business with communist countries or we would regret it one day. They were right!
Obama spoke himself about
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I'm glad you spoke your mind.
You've got more guts than I do. They would have definitely gotten a dirty look from me, but I wouldn't have had the courage to say what I felt.
I hope they weren't able to "snare" too many impressionable young people with false promises and other lies.
Did you hear that they're even telling would-be recruits how to pass drug screen tests so that they can still get into the military even if they're on drugs? I don't think there's anything they WON'T do or say to meet recruitment quotas.
seems to me thousands spoke this weekend
Seems to me most of the country takes Cindy Sheehan seriously and are behind her 100%. This weekends protests in DC, CA, NY, Ohio and other states prove it..When you look at the anti war protests compared to the pro war protests, tells you what the majority of the country wants..ending of the Iraq war.
A Kaydie clone just spoke!
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someplace where they spoke English
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The mayor of Chicago also spoke this...sm
morning explaining the need for city employee layoffs.
Well, if they spoke, that means I drop
everything and bow to people who do not have the last word on what the administration does.
I agree neither choice is great, but will vote McCain just as a vote against Obama. nm
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From the way Fitzgerald spoke in the press conference...sm
S. Libby has A LOT to be worried about. It seems he's a bald face liar, and I think what would be interesting to find out is why would he lie and say he didn't even know who Plame was under oath having been briefed on her at least 4 times before coming to court. I smell smoke...
Exactly. After Galloway spoke out they tied him to al Qaeda. sm
Of course, the man must be a terrorist sympathizer because he has the guts to tell it like it is. Just like they call you an antisemite when you say anything about Israel, conspiracy theorist and nut bag, etc., if you speak out against Bush. See the pattern?
McCain has spoke ad nauseam about Keating 5
Get over it already!
The corrupt ACORN bunch are still at it and Obama is backing them every inch of the way. They are his push into office don't ya know?
You're going to be blasted..you spoke against Obama
sad but true
Um no, Palin spoke and did herself in.... didn't you hear her? sm
No media, even intelligent media, could make up what she said. She said ignorant statements out of her own mouth, rallying the crowds and saying Obama pals around with terrorists. She ruined any chances McGeezer had, not that he had much of a chance but you MUST know that she has hurt the republican party, except for the most ignorant of them.
A vote for Ron Paul is a wasted vote. No chance on Earth he can win. sm
Votes for him only take away from the real candidates.
Color me blind but name a case in which a republican spoke out...sm
and liberals started calling and threatening his life. I'm sure it happens but can you think of a case right off hand?
BTW, if you post it on the conservative board I'll read it there.
the moral majority spoke in CA but that isnt good enough
They banned it, voted against it. The state of CA spoke but the gays are not happy with that and have to march. They will push and push till they get their way. Whether it is against God or not. what a shame. 
Bill Ayers spoke at Millersville University in PA
Yesterday. This is a college that prepares students for teaching jobs. You can see part of his speech here:
http://www.wgal.com/video/18971823/index.html
There was a one-on-one interview with him at:
http://www.wgal.com/video/18971823/index.html
No, not making it up...watched him as he spoke, no tele, no speech prepared.
Stock Market diving since Obama spoke today.
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Janeane Garofalo spoke today. Glad she represents
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Good point. I don't vote party, I vote for the
person. Every Democrat is not bad and every Republican good or vice versa.
Then you need to vote for Obama. A vote for McCain will...sm
not help you. Obama wants to give tax relief to 90% of Americans who earn 1% of the gross earnings in this country. The top 1% of earners bring in 90% of earnings. Any one person who earns $250,000 or less will benefit from Obama's tax plan.
they didn't vote - they registered to vote -
that is a big difference. The votes were not counted, they were stopped by the means in which they were supposed to be stopped - ID verification, address verification, etc. The cards were filled out by the ACORN workers and then given to the proper authorities to sort through.
The phony registrations were pulled out by the actual authorities. ACORN is just a middle man.
We get what we vote for. If we vote "party", we get extremes.
If we make it a point to try to identify candidates who hold moderate views and vote for them, rather than voting a "party ticket", we'll have a better chance of getting away from these extremes, whether right or left.
One of the problems, though, is that candidates often play games with their real positions. During the primaries, they talk the "party" line and then they move to the center for the general election. Both sides do this, unfortunately.
The only hope is to look at their past records - and take them seriously. History is prologue to the future. When a man has done certain things in his adult life, it tells us more about him than anything he says. If Obama hasn't taught us this fundamental truth, we'll never learn it. The evidence about him goes all the way back to his days in law school, and it was available for anyone to see. Some didn't bother to look. Others looked and didn't take it seriously. Either way, we weren't paying attention or he'd have probably never made it through the primaries.
No one can pull the wool over your eyes unless you let them, and the way they do it is by making smooth speeches filled with unlikely promises (and even glaring contradictions as they appeal to groups with opposite interests). They believe we won't notice the lies, exaggerations and mischaracterizations of their opponent's positions, etc. Unfortunately, they are often right.
Let's start taking the candidates' prior records and their life histories as the best evidence of who they really are - not their speeches. If we do this, we'll make better choices.
So you and your daughter have no problem with people who wish for people and their children sm
to burn in hell, call people's children ugly, etc. etc. Well, you might not BE gt, but you might as well be. Even the liberals don't agree with gt, or hadn't you noticed? You might want to check that out and while you are at it, the conservative board has been a regular play pen since the liberals stopped their hateful dive bombing. In fact, some really good conversations are taking place over there between both sides, which DOES NOT happen on this site.
Bored people are BORING people.
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Is that how your people justify killing people?
She's got my vote
Nominate Cindy Sheehan for Time Magazine Person of the Year - Pass it on!
I'd vote for him
as long as he is a real man and not some man who cowers to every poll or what his wife tells him to do. We need more real men in this country who say what they do and do what they say. I think men are tired of being disrespected and not being, well, men. I think you are right. We as a people need to elect and everyday fly-over-country Joe to the presidency. The type of Joe that still realizes what made this country great. God, glory, and guts. My pastor was just commenting on that this morning.
vote war?
If you like war, empire building, big government then you are safe in voting for any of the candidates running for the presidential office, except for one: Ron Paul.
The agendas are all headed in the same direction, so you really do not have to worry about which one to vote for for.
Ron Paul is the only candidate with a different agenda. And of course, should he win, he cannot make changes overnight. But he could lead us in the direction of limited government, sound money, peace and constitutional law. Paul's ideas and principles are not new, but are similar to those of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and others.
I will vote Ron Paul.
I will vote for either one.
I consider it my job to get a dem elected this time, that's why I don't take part in the arguments about them.
don't vote
Please don't vote. If you can't see all the atrocious things that our current tyrant (err I mean president) has done and how he has damaged America in the world, please don't vote. I would really hate to see someone who has never bothered to open their eyes to the way the world is and taken the time to educate themselves in politics or world issues voting for someone in this election. I think all those people should just stay home because they have no idea what they are voting for or what that person might stand for.
And btw, if anyone was the antichrist it would be Bush and McCain. D-E-V-I-L.
Don't vote?
Who are you to decide who should vote and who should not? Just because people don't have the same political beliefs you do doesn't mean they should sit home on election day! Sounds like if you had your way, we'd still be singing God Save the Queen!
Why vote at all
People have been "dumbed down" into believing they have to vote. Why doesn't anyone realize...our vote doesn't count. There's no way I'll vote for McCain and I'm not sure about Obama. My no vote for me is a statement. Sure you can write in anyone you want, you can say none of the above but why even bother. It's not going to make a difference. Those ballots will just be thrown in the trash without a second thought. Whoever is our next president has already been picked. We're just watching the side show until the election day. Then it will be reported to make it look to the people that we have a say in who is elected president. The simple truth is we don't. I was talking to my dad and he said this year he's not going to vote. He told a co-worker why do you feel you have to vote, it does no good. But unfortunately a lot of people think the same way - that their vote counts. I'm not voting and then if something gets messed up none of my family or friends can "blame" me that I voted for him. So my choice this year is to not vote.
Vote
I am African American born in 1958. The Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965. I remember my father telling me to always vote. I will never give up my right to vote even if others think our vote does not count. There was a time when my parents could not vote at all. I will think long and hard on who to vote for and will vote for the lesser of two evils.
I vote Dem because I believe
in the principles they stand for. I am not against voting for a repub . . . just have never seen one whose priorities are the same as mine. If they did have same priorities, they would be a democrat. Flame away.
Why would the DNC want you to vote?
To support THEIR agenda of course! lol
how to vote
Truthfully, I don't know which one of the candidates is better, or which one is worse. Corruption is everywhere. Maybe there is no real good answer, and it's all an exercise in futility. I'm still going to vote, just because it's something that I do. However, at this point, I might as well just flip a coin. Actually, lately, I've just been looking at the candidates from a health and vitality standpoint. Which ones are the healthiest? Which ones seem to be in a position to withstand stress better than the other? Experience seems important, but if everything else is pretty equal, health is all that's left to compare, IMHO.
one vote
good thing you only get one vote.
Isn't there someone else we can vote for? sm
Are these two guys, McCain and Obama, the only choices we have? Realistically? Nader is never gonna win, so he isn't. What would happen if we all did a write-in?
It has come down to voting for Communism or More of the Same. As I don't want to be a Communist, I guess I'll vote for More of the Same.
Also, all this arguing about government-run healthcare...Anybody been to the VA recently???? Gee that is working so very well for us.
There's my 2 cents. Have at it!
HC
Vote
Hi! You are absoultely correct. EVERY vote from EVERY state should matter.
I live in one of the battleground states (PA), so my vote will matter I this election. However we were told from January 2008 until the primary that our choice would not matter because it was so late the candidates will have already been chosen......McCain already had been but CLinton vs Obama was still very close.
I do not wish to share my political views, only state that EACH vote from EACH state should carry the same signtificance.
No wonder so many in our country are so apathetic. It must feel awful to have your vote mean nothing.We are disenfranchising most of the population. This is not government of the people, or for the people regardless of your political peferences.
I know what you mean. A vote for O is like a vote to
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