The coal fields are already bankrupt
Posted By: Backwards typist on 2008-11-02
In Reply to: Better yet, to all those in coal country or who have - onlyinamerica
There aren't many going today thanks to the Miner's Safety Board. Small mines are being shut down every day because the MSB thinks anthracite coal is the same as bituminous coal, but they are 2 different mining techniques.Yet, anthracite miners have to follow the regulations of bituminous mining.
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Cheney Fields Tough Questions
I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency. --Vice President Dick Cheney, on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005
Hmmm, so I guess now we've progressed to the *FINAL* last throes ???
Associated Press
Update 1: Cheney Fields Tough Questions From Troops
12.18.2005, 03:18 PM
Facing tough questions from battle-weary troops, Vice President Dick Cheney on Sunday cited signs of progress in Iraq and signaled that force changes could come in 2006.
Cheney rode the wave of last week's parliamentary elections during a 10-hour surprise visit to Iraq that aimed to highlight progress at a time when Americans question the mission. Military commanders and top government officials offered glowing reports, but the rank-and-file troops Cheney met did not seem to share their enthusiasm.
From our perspective, we don't see much as far as gains, said Marine Cpl. Bradley Warren, the first to question Cheney in a round-table discussion with about 30 military members. We're looking at small-picture stuff, not many gains. I was wondering what it looks like from the big side of the mountain - how Iraq's looking.
Cheney replied that remarkable progress has been made in the last year and a half.
I think when we look back from 10 years hence, we'll see that the year '05 was in fact a watershed year here in Iraq, the vice president said. We're getting the job done. It's hard to tell that from watching the news. But I guess we don't pay that much attention to the news.
Another Marine, Cpl. R.P. Zapella, asked, Sir, what are the benefits of doing all this work to get Iraq on its feet?
Cheney said the result could be a democratically elected Iraq that is unified, capable of defending itself and no longer a base for terrorists or a threat to its neighbors. We believe all that's possible, he said.
Although he said that any decision about troop levels will be made by military commanders, Cheney told the troops, I think you will see changes in our deployment patterns probably within this next year.
About 160,000 troops are in Iraq. The administration has said that troop levels are expected to return to a baseline of 138,000 after the elections, but critics of the war have called for a significant drawdown.
More than 2,100 troops have died in Iraq since the U.S. invaded in March 2003.
The round-table with the vice president came after hundreds of troops had gathered in an aircraft hangar to hear from a mystery guest. When Cheney emerged at the podium, he drew laughs when he deadpanned, I'm not Jessica Simpson.
Shouts of hooah! from the audience interrupted Cheney a few times, but mostly the service members listened intently. When he delivered the applause line, We're in this fight to win. These colors don't run, the only sound was a lone whistle.
The skepticism that Cheney faced reflects opinions back home, where most Americans say they do not approve of President Bush's handling of the war. It was unique coming from a military audience, which typically receives administration officials more enthusiastically.
Cheney became the highest-ranking administration official to visit the country since Bush's trip on Thanksgiving Day 2003. It was his first visit to Iraq since March 1991, when he was defense secretary for President George H.W. Bush.
The tour came on the same day that President Bush was giving a prime-time Oval Office address on Iraq. Cheney's aides said the timing was a coincidence, yet the two events combined in a public-relations blitz aimed at capitalizing on the elections to rebuild support for the unpopular war.
The daylong tour of Iraq was so shrouded in secrecy that even Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari and President Jalal Talabani were kept in the dark. The prime minister said he was surprised when he showed up for what he thought was a meeting with the U.S. ambassador and saw Cheney.
Talabani, his finger still stained purple as proof that he had voted three days earlier, was clearly delighted. He thanked Cheney profusely for coming and called him one of the heroes of liberating Iraq.
Cheney had an hourlong briefing on the election from Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad, top U.S. commander Gen. George Casey and Gen. John Abizaid, commander of U.S. forces in Iraq. He emerged saying he was encouraged by preliminary results showing high turnout about Sunni Muslims, who make up the backbone of the insurgency.
His next visit was to Taji Air Base, where he saw tanks that Iraqis had rebuilt and watched while they practiced a vehicle sweep at a security checkpoint.
U.S. forces guarded Cheney with weapons at the ready while Iraqi soldiers, who had no weapons, held their arms out as if they were carrying imaginary guns.
The Syrian border is back under Iraq control now, U.S. Lt. Gen. Marty Dempsey told the vice president, pointing to a map of Iraqi troop locations. When people say, 'When will Iraq take control of its own security?' the answer truly is it already has.
Cheney lunched on lamb kebobs, hummus and rice with raisins along with U.S. and Iraqi soldiers who helped secure polling sites. Then he headed to his third and final stop in Iraq at al-Asad.
Cheney flew over Baghdad in a pack of eight fast-moving Blackhawk helicopters, following the airport road that has been the site of so many insurgent attacks and passing the courthouse where Saddam Hussein is being tried.
The unannounced stops in Iraq came at the beginning of a five-day tour aimed at strengthening support for the war on terror. Stops include Oman, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
Cheney's staff kept the Iraq portion secret from reporters, waiting to reveal the plans when Air Force Two was preparing to refuel in the United Kingdom. Once on the ground, the entourage transferred from his conspicuous white and blue 757 to an unmarked C-17 cargo plane that would fly overnight to Baghdad International Airport.
My family members have worked in fields and orchards and on farms
and my sons would gladly do that now if the opportunity existed for them--but it doesn't. It's no secret that those jobs are systematically reserved for illegals for purposes of cost savings, and yes, there is resentment among many of us because of it. I'm sure there are a lot of lazy Americans, but most of my friends and relatives are hard working, decent people who think they are not too good to accept any kind of honest labor that will help put food on the table.
The idea that illegals are needed to fill the jobs Americans refuse to do is a myth.
How we became bankrupt
I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the readers gets sick of reading them. I also have included the URL's for verification of all of the following facts.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/ TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare and Social Services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSC RI PTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US .
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana,
crossed into the U. S. from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: h ttp:// tinyurl..com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ..'
Verify at: http: // www.drdsk.com/articleshtml <http://ww w.drdsk.com/articleshtml >
The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND IF YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS $338,300,000,000.00 WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY......... .
Are we that stupid? YES, FOR LETTING THOSE IN THE U.S. CONGRESS GET AWAY WITH LETTING THIS HAPPEN YEAR AFTER YEAR!!!!!
If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message. If, on the other hand, it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, I hope you forward it to every legal resident in the country including every elected representative in Washington , D.C. - five times a weekfor as long as it takes to restore some semblance of intelligence in our government policies and enforcements....
your ignorance is amazing -and O will bankrupt the
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What will happen if the car companies bankrupt.
Duh, I know there will be job loss along with lawyers, computer companies who do business with auto dealers, human resources and so on. Job loss will not just be car company manufactures. Motorola supplies car companies with their technology and so many other companies. Would it be the Great Depression? What about all the people who lease cars with these companies or who make payments to these companies? What if you own American made cars and where do you get the parts to repair your american made cars? Geesh I could go on and on. Sounds like a horror flick.
Bin Laden wanted to bankrupt the US. sm
Supporters of the Bush administration like to say that there have been no terrorist attacks on US soil since the tragedy of September 11, 2001, suggesting that President Bush has kept the country safe from terrorism. What they forget is that Osama Bin Laden clearly outlined his strategy for battling America, not by flying more planes into new buildings, but by driving the US into bankruptcy.
When they have to cough up "we are bankrupt."
Nobody has the balls to say the word. We print Monopoly money because we don't have anything else. Try spending that before long.
Enough is enough already!
We were bankrupt in September ང
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I think they should go bankrupt. Unions didn't cause it -
Got it. Thanks. BTW, coal is the
only industry left in my county. NAFTA destroyed the garment and shoe industry here. Unless we work at home, we must travel 30-50 miles for a decent job.
Yes, it is from 2007 and says the same as those from 2008 - where is a link showing bankrupt?
I cannot find anything like that.
Better yet, to all those in coal country or who have
anyone who works in the field, look for the link for the radio interview saying he would bankrupt the coal industry. Hmm, PA, VA, WV, etc, hope you are prepared for long unemployment lines. Just type in obama bankrupt coal, there are many links to the interview.
"Clean coal (sic)" is a lie
I can tell from your hysteria that you know nothing about peak oil.
http://globalhealthreport.blogspot.com/2008/09/al-gore-clean-coal-is-lie.html
the coal country in PA?
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so i'm not doubting there is coal in PA
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Coal Technology
Found this very interesting site on coal technology. It explains a lot about clean oil technology and what's being done. On the right side of the screen is a map of the U.S. If you click on that, then choose a dot on the map, it tells you what research is being done now.
Read some of the articles. Surf the site.
http://www.americaspower.org/News/
Am I getting senile? Did I mention coal? LOL
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Bankrupting the coal industry
I opened my post, and the text was there. I saw an empty box with the "dead x," so that may have been what didn't go through.
Were you unable to read the text, too? Try going to OneNewsNow.com (Fred Jackson) - 11/3/2008 7:35:00 AM, and you should be able to open it. That should be the easiest.
When my grandparents came over from Italy via Ellis Island (& legally, too!), they settled in Monongahela, PA. My grandfather worked in the coal mine, & they managed to raise 9 kids, all who went on to get doctorates, DDS, etc. So it can be done (sorry for the memory lane)!
LMK if you can open it, etc. Setting family aside, I respect the hard, dangerous work these coal miners do. The Global Warming (now named Climate Change) goofs are behind this, too. It's a joke--on us.
More food for thought on coal
I just watched the video where he stated he was going to put such high caps and make the coal industries pay mucho dollars and hopefully bankrupt the coal industry. BUT, he also stated he would use dollars they must pay if they want to use coal, for clean energy policies like wind power, etc.
So, that said, how does he intend to pay for all his other energy technology if he bankrupts the coal industry and businesses that use coal? After all, if he bankrupts the businesses that use coal which, by the way, is most electric power plants, whose pocket will he be dipping into for the money for his clean energy policies???
Talking out of both sides of his mouth again.
I see part of the problem-COAL way down
Since O made the statement about the coal industry, coal, steel, and iron have all dropped.
Nobody wants to listen to liberal talk radio..look at bankrupt Air America. No demand for it...
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One coal mine survivor...see article
TALLMANSVILLE, W.Va. - In a stunning and heartbreaking announcement, mining officials told family members early Wednesday that 11 of the 12 trapped coal miners initially thought to have survived a mine explosion had died.
The devastating news came more than three hours after relatives gathered at a nearby church had heard that 12 of the miners survived the disaster. Rescue crews found the first victim earlier Tuesday evening.
“It’s sorrow beyond belief,” Ben Hatfield, chief executive officer of mine owner International Coal Group, said during a news conference.
Gov. Joe Manchin said that, “about the confusion, I can’t tell you of anything more heart-wrenching than I’ve ever gone through in my life. Nothing.”
“I can feel the outrage,” he later told NBC’s “Today” show, referring to the anger from the victims’ families.
Manchin said the state would investigate the cause of the explosion, the miscommunication and the mine’s numerous safety and health violations last year. “We’re going to look into this,” Manchin vowed.
John Bennett, whose father Jim Bennett was one of the victims and had been due to retire in April, complained that his father would “tell me how unsafe the mine is.”
Problems at the mine had been “going on for months ... and they still send men in,” Bennett told “Today,” adding that he felt that if the mine owner had allowed workers to unionize the violations wouldn’t have happened.
Information on the coal/power issue...sm
I got this information from someone who is a broker for electricity in our area. She knows how much power is received from various resources and what those resources are and how dependent we are on them as a nation.
Here is my question to her.....
"How much of our electric power is dependent on coal, and how would a cap and trade policy imposing high penalties on coal plants impact the cost of the electric power for the consumer?"
Her answer was.....
"Our portfolio is about 55% coal. The last legislation that was proposed would raise the cost of power by about 20-30%. Which calculates into about a 10-15% increase in the price of our power. Last month Deep East charged .098057 per kilowatt hour. It could go to 11 or 12 cents power kilowatt. If that happens my bill would go from $120 to $138. Of course, that fluctuates depending on the amount of hydro power we get out of three dams and how high natural gas prices are."
I then asked her the following:
"No, this is great, actually. Thanks for the info. I'm trying to understand how Obama's plan, if he goes into office and gets his legislation passed, to place a cap and trade on the coal industry. He had promised that it would bankrupt the coal industry and skyrocket the consumer's electric bill as the power companies would have no choice but pass the cost on to the customers. My next question is, though, if he does this and does manage to bankrupt the coal industry, driving it out of existence, will there be enough alternative resources to support the nation's power requirements or will we all be sitting in the dark?"
Her answer..........
"Should he be able to do this the country would go dark. Our nation relies on about 50-60% coal fired generation for its electricity. Everyone is scrambling NOW to build new generation to cover expected load growth. It takes about 3-4 years to plan, get government approvals and build a power plant. With our nation already being short on power supply this could really put a major kink in things."
Better stock up on batteries NOW!!!!
Baloney, I live in coal country and I should know
Maybe you should look up some statistics from real sources.
Respectfully, John Edwards practically bankrupt his state with malpractice lawsuits. SM
He didn't even carry his own state in the election. That should tell you something.
Obama Plan Jeopardizes Thousands of Coal Jobs/his words
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Obama Plan Jeopardizes Thousands of Coal Jobs
Fred Jackson - OneNewsNow.com - 11/3/2008 7:35:00 AM
The nation's coal industry is in shock today with word that Barack Obama plans to put such severe penalties on coal-fired power plants that it will bankrupt them. A coalition of business leaders says such a move would jeopardize the jobs of hundreds of thousands of people who work in the coal industry.
Senator Obama's plan for putting severe financial penalties on coal-fired power plants has been made public on a YouTube video which contains audio of comments he made in San Francisco in January 2008.
"What I've said is that we would put a cap-and-trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else's out there," the Democratic presidential candidate said. "I was the first to call for a hundred-percent auction on the cap-and-trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases that was emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted-down caps that are imposed every year.
"So if somebody wants to build a coal power plant, they can," Obama concluded. "It's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greeenhouse gas that's being emitted."
A press release from the Western Business Roundtable is calling on politicians of all stripes to denounce such a plan, and encouraging voters to hold those politicans accountable for whether they support the coal industry.
Below is the actual audio - click to listen.
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