The bottom line is that he's not lying about it. It's just
Posted By: your desperate wishful thinking. nm on 2008-11-29
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The bottom line is....
from 1870 to the 1960's the majority of elected Democrats in Congress, with the help of a small minority of southern Republicans, effectively denied African Americans the right to vote for 90 years FOLLOWING the civil war. If you are saying that seeking their freedom and giving them the right to vote is a "liberal" movement, then it was the Republicans in majority, not the Democrats in majority, who were the "liberals" of that time.
In my mind, we are all tied up in semantics. The passion and commitment to something that to each of us is morally right is not liberal nor conservative. It is a human characteristic. None of us, I suppose, are truly liberal or truly conservative. It is a mixture. Some "liberals" agree with me that abortion is morally wrong and are against it for that reason, yet still consider themselves liberals. Some "conservatives" (such as Guiliani) do not agree on abortion and are pro choice, yet still call themselves conservative. I made a comment on the conservative board regarding the fires in California and was accused of sounding like a "bleeding heart liberal." So, in essence, over time people have identified certain characteristics and tried to put them in a liberal or a conservative box. And because we are human, and because we are different and have different ideas, we do not fit into boxes and ideas cross over. Hence, no true liberals or true conservatives....and that fact does not bother me at all, though it does bother some.
It is just that some of us love the labels more than others, I guess; the labels make them feel good, like they are affiliated with something noble...and what the labels mean to us individually, and some get very angry if someone questions the label.
I guess my prefrence is not to be labeled.
And that is what it is...a label, in the grand scheme of things. Because no one can really agree on what it means. Everyone puts their own personal spin on it. That is the nature of the human condition.
Bottom line
Obama is going to win, that's what counts.
He must do something right, if the majority wants Barrack Obama.
bottom line...
After the attack of 9/11 something HAD TO BE DONE.
What other options were there?
Doing nothing was sure not an option.
That IS the bottom line...
That's the only reason it is being offshored. It has nothing to do with "free trade" and everything to do with corporate greed.
The bottom line is....(sm)
Torture does not provide reliable confessions.
Torture has not and will not "save American lives." If it has done anything, it has put more lives at risk.
Waterboarding was used in WWII against US personell by the Japanese. We prosecuted those who used torture and executed them. Why? Because it was against the law. And what did the Japanese get for their efforts with torturing? False information and a bad reputation. What makes you think we'll get anything different from that?
The only thing torture is good for is revenge. That's not what this country is about, and its not what I'm about.
Bottom line, Taiga....
did Murtha or did Murtha not say "The surge is working?" Yes, he did. Why did CBS choose not to print all the disclaimers? You got me, I don't know. As to Murtha adding the disclaimers, he probably suddenly remembered he is going to have to talk to Pelosi come Monday. I don't blame him, I would be backpedaling too. lol.
Okay. This is exhausting. Bottom line...
I did not say Teddy you are a liar. Nor will I. Only you know for sure if you are lying. And you have said ad nauseam you don't care what I think or say, so why do keep protesting so much? Sigh.
What I believe or do not believe does not matter at this point to anyone but me. I vote we stop whipping this dead horse.
Well said. That is the bottom line. I have already voted....sm
for Obama/Biden and am proud of my choice. No one should ever legislate what a women can do with her own body, or a man's for that matter, but abortion is the subject here. As is with everything in life, I believe we will all have to answer for all our choices throughout our lives. That is between you and your God. Abortion could definitely be dramatically reduced if there weren't so many barriers to education and birth control and less talk about the "welfare mother" when women do choose not to have an abortion. I think that the main problem is that people are very judgemental. I am old, and, overy the years, I have learned that the old saying "walk a mile in my shoes" before your judge me probably should be either one of the Constitutional Amendments or one of the Ten Commandments.
I think that when judgement day comes, God is going to ask me, what did you do for your fellow human beings out of the goodness of your heart that did not benefit you directly in any way. Did you love your neighbor (even your enemies) as yourself? Did you bear false witness against your neighbor and spread rumors, get down and dirty because of differences of opinion in an election or in your daily life? That is what I imagine God is going to ask me in a few years and I am thinking about how I am going to answer.
Bottom line: Either way, WE lose. At least, if the bill
doesn't pass until it strips the wall street & banking criminals of their ill-gotten gains, then EVERYONE will have to pay. But as the bill is currently written, WE have to pay. We're screwed, either say. Once this dies down a bit, I'm pulling every cent out of the stock market forever. I don't want my hard-earned savings, what little there is, going to making shysters rich.
GAME OVER!
Bottom line...are you in favor of infanticide? nm
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Bottom line....O will raise DH and my taxes, sorry, it's not for
those who are lazy. Try working hard for a change and not expecting the gov't to give you a handout for once. WAAAH, please pay for my healthcare, pay for my kid's college, help me out because I don't want to take responibility for myself, I would rather let the gov't do it all and then when it doesn;t work out, I can blame them too. When O wins I can't wait to see this board in a year with all the people complaining about the broken promises, higher taxes, etc. It will be worth the wait.
Bottom line, no one can renounce the citizenship...sm
of an American citizen, period, whether they are adopted by a noncitizen or not. Obama had the right to claim Nigerian citizenship at age 21 but did not.
Bottom line here. O does not claim to be messiah
Anybody who subscribes to such nonsense on any level whatsoever is the one who is confused.....VERY confused.
But, it did not happen with Clinton and that is the bottom line
Why, oh why do the people continue to uphold a president who has wound up at the bottom of the barrel as far as what kind of presidency he had. Very good riddance. Yes, we can.
So,. bottom line, I am European born
and I have proven that my grammar and spelling is better than yours.
Sometimes I make some typos, but last not least this is a froum and on this forum there is no 'typo police' applied, not even 'grammar and spelling police.'
Go and take your meds, I bet you swallow tens of those every day and night, and pray!
Bottom line...they made a 68 million dollar PROFIT.
PROFIT is AFTER expenses. So I am thinking they are doing pretty darn well, don't you? They are not in it for the goodness of their hearts.
And it says plainly on the website they will take checks for anything but abortions. So that says to me cash or credit card. IF there is another explanation for that, please share.
It has been awhile since there was a bombing or a shooting, and I don't condone either. Killing abortionists or bombing clinics is not the answer. Changing minds and providing alternatives is the answer. But going with the flow and remaining quiet while mass murder of the unborn goes on is something I cannot do, and sorry if I find it horrifying that PLanned Parenthood makes such a KILLING for killing. THere is THAT.
And yet you just keep lying and lying and lying. Not too bright.
last line of Matthews piece cut off in error. 1 line sm
complained in a letter to his boss that Matthews had shown a pattern of sexism.
Actually, I answered your posts line by line
about not "allowing" you to have an opinion. Those are your words, not mine. This is a good example of how this discussion has escalated from a simple link to this utter squashed bug nonsense. Why are you not able to simply debate the original issue at hand...the Eric Holder appointment? Too much of an intellectual challenge when somebody presents a THIRD-PARTY alternative viewpoint? You are the one who mentioned losing sleep and I remarked that it was probably unnecessary since you were blowing something out of proportion....something you have been doing all afternoon. You takes things WAY too personally.
There are bottom feeders of all...
stripes, tis true, but we are talking about Coulter here. She also is an embarassment along the lines of Rush and O'Reilly. There are many conservative personalities who do not engage in outright cruelty directed towards specific individuals or groups.
Rush's new bottom.
I do not listen to Rush but I saw this on television and read it in the paper. Michael J. Fox has done a commercial for the democrat running in Missouri who is pro stem cell research. He is obviously having a really bad day or his Parkinson's has progressed since I last saw him. Anyway, Rush said that Fox was **acting,** flailing all over the place, that he knew Fox had Parkinson's but that he has never seen any symptoms of it before this political ad. He said Fox might have stopped taking his medication so that he would flail around more, but if not, then he was acting. Unfrigging believable. I have seen Fox unable to sit still or stop moving many many times even while taking medication over the years. I think he was diagnosed in 1994 so 12 years later he has probably deteriorated quite a bit. This just struck me as so mean-spirited. Knocking the homeless, the mentally ill, etc. is one thing, disgusting in my opinion, but to accuse a sick man of faking it is snake belly low. People in glass pill bottles should not throw stones.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart ...sm
for posting this, though I feel that it falls on deaf ears. Sadly the bigots and racists are still in denial. I am old and white and it is hard to pull the wool over my eyes too. I voted today for Obama/Biden. The going will be rough for whoever wins, but I have hope with Obama and I have not had this much hope in a long time.
try this one. Look at the table at the bottom
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/senator_obamas_four_tax_increa.html
Then on your list of bottom feeders
Don't forget Al Franken and Michael Moore just to name a few examples. Oh, and don't forget liberal internet columnist Deborah Frisch who told a conservative foe:
*if someone shot you and your 'tyke' it wouldn't slow me down one iota.' She also wrote that she hopes 'no one Jon-Benets' the child* -- a reference to the brutal murder of a young Colorado girl ten years ago -- and made disturbing sexual remarks about the boy. *I reiterate: If some nutcase kidnapped your child tomorrow and did to her what was done to…Jon-Benet Ramsey, I wouldn't give a damn.*
That is bottom feeding in all its glory. Ann may have a big mouth, but I don't think she's ever threatened to kill someone's kid and/or sexually abuse them.
i like the idea of starting at the bottom
giving the common people a break rather than sticking us from behind. I don't know what the monetary amount should be per mortgage. I heard Whoopi this morning throwing out the idea of 25% to the people who have taken out mortgages since 2003. One of the gals on the view also talked about these people who were given these loans that were very low interest at the beginning and then after a few years had the interest raised. Why can't the mortgage companies offer them a lower interest rate again? At least they would be getting something!! They are all greedy. I think the idea of bailing the mortgage companies out is disgusting. I realize people should never get in over their heads to begin with but these mortgage companies and any government official who had a hand in it were out for themselves, thinking in the end they were going to win..... no loss to them.... well guess what? they got a little too greedy and I think rather than slapping their little hands, THEY should be the ones to pay the price. I don't care if it's Rush's idea, Whoopi's, etc... How about for once our government listens to the PEOPLE of this country rather than looking out for their own butts.
tax cuts?? just look at the table at the bottom
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/senator_obamas_four_tax_increa.html
where do you people come from? the bottom of the gene pool?
in anyway!!!
Geez. Well, just proved that the bottom of the barrel...
had not been reached until just now. What a nasty, sick comment.
Aren't we NOWat the bottom? How much lower can it get?
Therefore we need CHANGE.
'You don't seem to understand.' Favorite sentence of McCain addressing Obama.
Geeeezzzzzzz. And I thought they had already found the bottom of the barrel...
I don't believe that, but if she did, what the heck difference would it make???
Geezzzzzz.
maybe if you would have paid better, you wouldn't have had to scrape the bottom of the barrel -nm
:)
and jobs that pay min. wage often have to scrape the bottom of the barrel - nm
:)
I saw that clip earlier today and it is exactly right. And you can bet your bottom dollar on this...
Alarmist video? Who knows. Scare tactics? Who knows, but one thing I believe is there will be class war fare, food riots, and when Obama has taken all our guns away, then what???
It has happened in the UK with Sharia Law, in Australia they confiscated all guns, France with their huge Muslim population, and it sure as H.E. double-hockey sticks can happen here. And if Obama gets elected, you can take that to the bank. He will strip mine our country to its bones.
My DH has a saying..the tree of freedom has to be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots. Or words to that effect.
Perez Hilton is a troll and bottom feeder.....
He serves no useful purpose in this life or any life. I agree with Miss California though. Marriage SHOULD be between a man and a woman. Sorry Perez, but I guess I would lose the pagent too.
The mainstream media hogs you speak of are actually those bottom dwellers at MSNBC and
broadcast news, NOT Hannity or any of those to whom you refer.
Or maybe she's LYING! sm
That's what the Dems always say when someone makes a mistake. So she MUST be LYING!
Well of course I am lying! SM
You have accused everyone on the conservative board of being a liar, at least 50 times. The posts are gone and you know it. They were removed and you said she was old and sick and would die soon and burn in hell. I remember it well. You should be so proud of that. And you call us nasty. Sorry, I can't match that one. And wouldn't want to. You have your board back. Discuss the important issues of the day, as you NEVER EVER DO on this board. Buh bye!
K, if you say so but you might be lying. ;) nm
Sorry, I think you are lying. nm
I did not say anyone was lying...
the American Indians that is. I don't know how one could get an education claiming to be an American Indian when he is not. One only has to have 1/16 blood to qualify but it has to be proved. You can't just walk in there and say I'm and Indian, give me some money or put an X in the little box Other. I am only defending his accuracy in the 2 books I have read and I was trying to inform on the complexities of ***being an Indian*** in the tribal eyes, in the eyes of the state, in the eyes of grants, funding, etc.
Don't know if she was lying or not. SM
But I have lots of relatives on the West Coast from Oregon on down through Washington and California. We talk about gas prices all the time so it just didn't sound right to me. I like to keep things real.
lying in office
It was a personal matter between he and his wife and Monica. He only lied when the govt tried to pry into his private life. It had nothing to do with national security, and since he was impeached for lying, Im just waiting for Bush to get impeached or Rove to be fired for lying about giving out the name of Valerie Plame to reporters to out her. If there is gonna be a standard about lying while in office, it should work for this administration too. One saving grace on that, the prosecutor, Fitzgerald, seems like a tough guy who does not take sides but finds out the truth.
Nobody justifies lying like the Right.
And you know it's true. That is one major difference between the right and left. The right acts like schoolyard children saying nyah nyah, can't prove it can't prove it! My mom's the principal! So you just shut up!
Meanwhile on the left, frowns all around for whoever is caught being a sneak and a liar, and nobody defends the liar - we admit lying is a bad thing and nobody should do it, and if they lie they should be punished. Progressives will turn against any politician who shames him/herself by lying - they may feel bad for the person and even still like the person, but hey, if you did wrong, you should come clean and accept your reprisals, or you don't represent us anymore.
The Wrong Right on the other hand would DIE to a member before admitting wrongdoing,admitting lies, or even admitting they or their leaders COULD be wrong. It's not a wrong/right issue with them - nothing is, and that's why nobody believes their outrage over Clinton was moral. It was simply vindictive and hateful toward the man, not any reasonable objection to any true harm that he caused. Now your spokespeople are advocating the assassination of (democratically elected!) foreign leaders. Outrage anyone? People of truly moral character certainly are outraged. Still waiting to hear a peep from the Wrong Right.
NO THANKS. Just more lying SUITS.
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If you want to go into lying....Your #2 guy...we KNOW he is a liar...
so what is the difference? It is on tape and video that he said he would be proud to be on a ticket with John McCain. Certainly not the story he is telling now, is it? So he was lying then or he is lying now. Either way...he's a liar.
Farmer is lying to you.....
That is the number one excuse given by employers when their hiring of illegals became so prevalent that everyone was noticing their jobs were going away.
What else were they going to say.....I just wanted to hire illegals because they work for less than minimum wage, I don't pay taxes on them, and they won't report me because they're illegal!!?
Not to mention the Workers Comp break they get. An illegal gets hurt and they just go to the free care clinic, get treated, and walk away.....or to the local ER where they get treatment and I end up paying for it because they have no insurance....heck, they don't have to produce anything yet ANYONE else has to start pulling out their SS#, drivers license, or SOMETHING to prove they are who they say they are......
what a crock!!!!!!!!
And hopefully neither will lying crooks
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He stammers because he's lying....ya know,
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How you figure? She WAS lying
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Curious about lying
I am curious what you think caused you to lie all the time. How did you feel about it when you were doing it? Did you lie about things you knew people would find out weren't true?
I am just curious, as I have known a few people with that problem, and I could never figure it out. I would often end up not believing them when they were telling the truth and believing lies since everything had a 50/50 chance of being factual. It' was so frustrating and keeps a person from being able to be a real friend to them.
for 'm': You lying message...s/m
Of course not..........
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Posted By: m on 2008-11-22
In Reply to: M, did u write the post Vie is referring to? - shelly
She's just on a witch hunt like someone else said.
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