The blame game president
Posted By: Zauber on 2005-09-08
In Reply to: The Post Katrina Era - gt
Ain't it funny how the winger spin is one of this is SO not the time to point fingers, you liberal vultures! - Yet we're being buried 24/7 by wingers falling all over themselves to cry that the blame is on the state and local officials, and worse, on the victims themselves.
I find the current they'll find better lives elsewhere murmuring really chilling. Combined with Hastert's early assertion that NO shouldn't be rebuilt, the recent talk of mandatory evacuation at gunpoint of the survivors who don't want to go, and the repeated refusal of FEMA to allow anyone (ever ministers!)to enter even the dry areas of the city if their mission is to alleviate suffering - to me it looks like the stage is being set for one of two possiblities:
1. Big oil gets the land because it's known that the area under NO is a rich pocket of oil reserves; and
2. The casino racket gets the land because they've always wanted to make NO the Las Vegas of the south.
If either of these interests get the prize, we have to wonder...how much did the slow reaction of the federal govt. which seemed to increase casualties rather than reduce them, have to do with dollar signs in their eyes as they saw the poor population finally being displaced? Horrible thought, I know. And pure conjecture, but we will see how it turns out. If they rebuild the city and the people can come home, fine. But I don't think that is what is going to happen.
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All you can do is the blame game. Then you better
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Thank you! That's BB's gig. Blame game
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No blame game here. Hello. It's the cold
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I'm tired of the blame game myself.
Just fix this. Come up with a plan that is good. Don't just vote for the first plan that is thrown onto the table. Take the weekend to think it through and pick the plan that will give us the best chance to recover from this mess. Don't allow CEOs to walk away unscathed with their pockets lined with money. Why reward crooks?
Sadly the blame game is what we
get to hear the most instead of actual plans and solutions to this that won't end up screwing us in the end.
I've learned more about the economy than I ever have in the past couple of days. Makes me wish I'd have listened in economics in high school. Hind sight is 20/20. LOL!
Have a great day! 
This is no partisan blame game.
long saga of voter registration/voter fraud, election and campaign finance reform. Left-wing progressives have been focusing on this issue since 2000 but so far, nobody has listened because they are so busy dismissing them for being lefties. It is that id of partisan division and bickering that at the moment has our country so frozen up with spite that we cannot even managed to put together a clean election. We have no business trying to bring democracy to any other developing or third world countries until we at least get this part of our own back yard cleaned up. In terms of THIS election, 18 days before D-Day...a litle late in the game.
Don't much care for that blame game.
throwing out a well established fact. 401Ks lost 38% of their value in the past month. I said not one single thing about who was responsible for that. It's not my place. Voters will make up their own minds about that. My comment in the previous post was directed at the slimey, rock-bottom campaign tactics that seem to have no end in sight, desipte the overwhelming evidence that it is ruining McCain's chances of winning this election. When they start invading my privacy, it's time to take a stand....against the invasion and in support of the candidate whose campaign does not feel compelled to ignite culture wars and play on fear with wildly unfounded accusations.
Blame game is for pubs, not me.
Your glass mansion is bigger than our glass hut.
I'm less worried about the blame game....(sm)
and more worried about what she is saying now. Just the other day she had the audacity to say that she would glad to help and support Obama and yet in the same interview reiiterated that she is still worried about his associations with terrorists. She's not getting any smarter. In fact, the more interviews she does, the worse she looks.
Stop the blame game. How to fix it is the question. nm
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Stop playing the blame game!
There are millions of people who were not "sucked" into buying more house than they could afford. Unfortunately, many people got greedy and bit off more than they could chew. It is very easy to blame someone else for your bad judgment, but the bottom line is that you have to take responsibility for your own actions. Smoke that!
I can understand fully why you don't want to play the blame game...
considering where the blame falls. If those were all Republicans in the dam*ing video, would you be on this board saying stop the blame game? I think NOT. Where is accountability? You should be fighting mad about this...and demanding accountability from your party members who brought this down on us. I do not understand that. You want to hang Bush out to dry for every little wrong, and here we face the biggest financial crisis in decades, and the evidence is irrefutable Democrats on the hill are responsible..yet you give THEM a pass. WHY is that?
Don't blame Obama for the coins...blame the Franklin Mint!
The Franklin Mint has an entire series of presidential coins that are tacky and cheap looking just like everything else they manufacture.
Let's blame Clinton...Let's blame Obama.
The FACT is that Bush BECAME prez on 01/20/01. He was told by Clinton to beware!! It was Bush's duty to know, to care what was going on.... the FACT is he didn't give a rat's patooty!!! FACT is he was on vacation most of his first 7 months in office. The FACT is he stared into space for 7 minutes after being told America was under attack while kindergarteners were reading "MY PET GOAT." I am so sick of the LIES you people want to ram down my throat. And when Obama takes office, God-willing, I am positive he will be under a microscope like NO president has ever been as there is a different standard set for him and never has a president-elect undergone so much criticisizm BEFORE taking office.
the Name Game...........sm
Probably a little before your time. LOL
I'm game.........sm
I've always said "Yank that Golden Fleece Retirement Program and see how fast they fix the mess!" I'm hacked at my Reps and Senators anyway, so I might as well give them an earful. (BTW, mine are some of the same ones as the author of this article, so they need a double earful!)
The name game is always
fun. We always particularly enjoyed the names Chuck and Ruby. LMAO!!!
You know my game? You don't even know your own words.
I responded directly to your post and quoted your own name calling words, but you don't know what I'm talking about?!
No, not a conspiracy....it is a game that...
the poster enjoys...though one of the standard lines is "I won't play your game" and then does exactly that. Frankly, I could not care less. The posts all say the same thing, in the flowery elitist condescending language...should be patently obvious to anyone who would like to go into the archives. But it does not really matter...the poster has made it personal, and the posts are in direct opposition to everything the posterior states are liberal qualities.
I came on this board a few weeks ago and just asked posters to define what they viewed as a "liberal." I got varying descriptions...and then I got a couple of posters who said there were no true liberals in the Democratic party. And based on the description of liberal ideals of other posters, and applying that to how those same posters post...I am left with the idea that that person...the one who said there were no true liberals in the Democratic party...is probably the closest to the truth. LINOs I guess. Liberals in name only.
Have a good day.
Hating the game
Maybe it is not hatred, just failure to understand the hypocrisy and warped logic of those who seem to hold her in such high esteem. As the following indicates, both she and Senator McCaine come out sorely lacking in many regards.
I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....
If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic, different.'
Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.
If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.
If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.
If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.
If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska
from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
OK, much clearer now.
It's a little late in the game, isn't it?
If customary deference to a sitting president by president elect
for the rest of us who understand such concepts as respect and traditional protocol, it would qualify as a darned good reason.
Poll: Early in the game but.sm
Who will get the Democratic nomination, and who will that person pick for a running mate?
Who will get the Republican nomination, and who will that person pick as a running mate?
Winner gets a 22K gold-plated crystal ball, and the top position on Wall Street..!!!l
So you still think that children are fair game...
I would say that definitely has to do with bottom feeders. But if Obama's followers continue this...it will not help his case with the average American and he knows it. He is asking you not to deep six is campaign. I, however, say go for it. Smear and fear, go after Palin and her pregnant daughter. get right down there on the bottom and chomp.
Pub regime - loser game
The dems don't have a large enough majority to override a presidential veto.
They don't have enough votes in the senate to override a filibuster. Therefore, the pubs can kill their legislation, STILL.
Intentional Intelligence is my game!
I am way too smart to let your feeble attempts at right-wing propaganda affect the decisions I make regarding this election. I consider the source and do not give you a second thought! I have seen you repeat your talking points over and over and over again, hoping that if you repeat them often enough people will somehow believe that they are true. Well you don't fool me! You will have to find some of your Joe six-pack buddies and try to sell your line of crap to them. I am with the elite group!
Oh pleeeze........don't play that game
You have name called left and right on this board and you know exactly what you were doing but you didn't hear anyone scream MODERATOR, even though you were definitely name calling and it was racially intended. Just because some have thicker skin and overlook your nasty comments does not mean they were not racially motivated.
Even then, rabid republicans and creepublicans is nasty....I suppose it's what you consider nasty and racist, huh?
Other interesting "Name Game"
Alice, Dallas, Tucker, Buck, Huck, Bart, Art, Mitch, Rich, Richie, and Maggie
From Alaska fish and game website....
Wolves and bears are very effective and efficient predators on caribou, moose, deer and other wildlife. In most of Alaska, humans also rely on the same species for food. In Alaska's Interior, predators kill more than 80 percent of the moose and caribou that die during an average year, while humans kill less than 10 percent. In most of the state, predation holds prey populations at levels far below what could be supported by the habitat in the area. Predation is an important part of the ecosystem, and all ADF&G wolf management programs, including control programs, are designed to sustain wolf populations in the future.
The Alaska Board of Game approves wildlife regulations through a public participation process. When the Board determines that people need more moose and/or caribou in a particular area, and restrictions on hunting aren't enough to allow prey populations to increase, predator control programs may be needed. Wolf hunting and trapping rarely reduces wolf numbers enough to increase prey numbers or harvests.
Currently, five wolf control programs are underway that comprises about 9.4% of Alaska's land area. The programs use a closely controlled permit system allowing aerial or same day airborne methods to remove wolves in designated areas. In these areas, wolf numbers will be temporarily reduced, but wolves will not be permanently eliminated from any area. Successful programs allow humans to take more moose, and healthy populations of wolves to continue to thrive in Alaska.
Click on links below to learn more about wolves and predator-prey relationships.
NO! You mean Obama is playing a shell game?
It's just too simple and too obvious. All the obots here won't be able to compute that information. It'll have to come up a bit 'em in the butt!
Obama started the race card game all by his
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blame
September 1, 2005
Conservatives Helped This Happen
by Dan Pashman, Senior Producer, Morning Sedition
As terrible as it is, this attack could be miniscule if, in fact, God
continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to
give us probably what we deserve. The ACLU's got to take a lot of the
blame for this…The abortionists have got to bear some of the burden for
this because God will not be mocked…I really believe that the pagans,
and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the
lesbians…all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the
finger in their face and say, 'you helped this happen.'
- Rev. Jerry Falwell, September 13, 2001
Who can forget Jerry Falwell's infamous post-9/11 indictment of
America? 'You helped this happen,' Falwell said to the majority of
Americans, who disagree with him on a majority of issues.
Now, a conservative group called Columbia Christians for Life has
proclaimed that Hurricane Katrina was another one of God's punishments,
citing as evidence the supposed resemblance between the hurricane's
image on a weather map, and a fetus.
Trying to refute such claims from these zealots is truly an exercise in
futility. But searching for explanations after a disaster of Katrina's
magnitude is not. And if you do in fact search for those explanations,
you'll reach an unavoidable conclusion:
Hurricane Katrina may have been an act of God. But the level of death
and destruction it caused was not. That was an act of conservatism.
It is conservative policies that made this natural disaster unnaturally
catastrophic. I say to conservatives, you have blood on your hands
today. I point the finger in your face and say, You helped this
happen.
Conservative policies have led to an increase in poverty across the
nation, especially in New Orleans, one of the poorest major cities in
America. About 150,000 people in New Orleans lived below the poverty
line before Katrina, 100,000 of them in abject poverty, making less
than $8,000 a year. Their poverty left them with nowhere to go, and no
means of escape, as the hurricane bore down on their homes.
Conservative policies have led to more global warming, which scientists
agree has already begun producing more intense hurricanes and storms.
Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour, a former Republican Party Chairman
and longtime GOP operative, has seen his own state ravaged by Katrina.
But he was vital in helping to convince the Bush administration to
squash the Kyoto Protocol on climate change, and pushed Bush to go
back on his campaign promise to regulate carbon dioxide. Governor
Barbour would dare express grief over the deaths that he himself
enabled.
Conservative policies have led to a war in Iraq based on lies, and tax
cuts for the rich, both of which, we know for a fact, took money
directly away from vital hurricane preparedness work in New Orleans.
On nine occasions in 2004 and 2005, The New Orleans Times-Picayune
specifically cited the cost of the Iraq War as a reason for the
shortfall in hurricane- and flood-control funds. The levees that gave
way under Katrina's pressure were supposed to be upgraded with money
that ended up in Halliburton’s coffers.
Conservative policies have also led to the National Guard's misuse and
abuse, leaving the Gulf Coast without the personnel and equipment
vital to a recovery effort of this magnitude. More people will die on
the Gulf Coast as they await their would-be saviors, who are in Iraq,
victims themselves of conservative policies.
There can be no doubt that while Hurricane Katrina was not preventable,
much of the death and destruction left in its wake was. I say to
conservatives, you have blood on your hands today. I point the finger
in your face and say, You helped this happen.
Blame must go somewhere.
So you put it solely on the poor themselves? More people in this country are slipping into poverty every day - whole families of them, fathers included. That was a good thoughtful post and I thank you for writing it but hope you will take a moment to consider another side.
While throwing money at a problem is not guaranteed to fix it, one thing is for sure - throwing billions to the already obscenely rich is sure as heck not going to fix the root cause of any social disorder.
If we want to really get to the root cause of poverty in our society (which I agree is a good idea) we must not exclude the role that capitalism itself plays in not only producing a permanently disadvantaged underclass, but also in keeping it that way. A fair and impartial look at our laws and operating procedures is enough to convince anyone that things are just the way the movers and shakers want them to be. And, you are correct that only the very most motivated and exceptionally gifted will make it out of the morass. That's also the way it's supposed to be, father or no father. Social Darwinism - the cream rises.
Trouble is, we can't all be the cream. It's unreasonable to expect that of everyone. But this is the society that free market capitalism builds. It's going to get worse, too. The next step is a bonding of purpose between the corporate oligarchy and the government itself, and the next step after that is a military police state run by those who consider themselves the cream - in other words, just another banana republic, the very antithesis of what America should be.
Now I don't know about you but I don't think this is the direction America should take and I don't think for a minute it's the result of poor kids having no fathers. That may leave them more vulnerable and more easily manipulated, but it's hardly on their backs. Everyone who's not the cream is victimized in the kind of society that values money and power above everything else.
Right now there are billions upon billions of dollars being handed over not to the poor but to that handful of defense corporations powerful enough to rub elbows with Bush and his cronies. That is where America's money is going and that's where it's going to continue to go as long as we support a government that delights in making itself and its friends wealthy at the expense of everyone else in America.
You know what and who is to blame, don't you?
Deregulation schemes ala John McCain, George Bush, and the Republican Party.
Doesn't that make you and your husband the least bit interested in trying to help change this dire economic situation by changing parties?
If McCain is elected, there is no doubt in my mind that this country will see another great depression, possibly worse than the one that began in 1929.
Heaven help us all!
Yes....who's to blame....sm
The liberal democrats in congress, lining their pockets with kickbacks from all the big financial institutions, and looking the other way, forcing the banks to take the no doc loans.
Obama and Biden taking bribes, and lining their pockets, and Bill Clinton sending all his old cronies to run FM/FM, with absolutely no financial background, to run it into the ground.
Pres. Bush had actually tried to help this situation a few years back, and guess what? Harry Reid and other dems blocked his attempts.
They now completely blame George Bush. Granted, perhaps some of the blame could lay with him, because he should have been powerful enough to get something like this done.
But he made a fatal error. He tried to reach across the aisle, and put dems in charge of certain committes, and such, and all they did was stab him in the back, and make him ineffectual. So much for the dems reaching across the aisle. Their sole purpose for the past two years has been in making Bush look bad. No one can deny it.
So look to your own party. It ain't pretty.
blame
I havent blamed Obama. I agree the McC camp has stirred up the heat a bit with the socialism, marxists and terrorists comments. However, I feel that Obama is responsible for his supporters to a point and being that he is very influential over his following, he should be speaking out about peace and trying to let people know that racial bad behavior of any kind is not condoned.
There's nothing to blame him for
HE is the one that has had his life threatened. If anything, the McCain camp should be speaking out against this. I agree with Keith Olberman. McCain should have come out immediately against that volunteer of his with her bogus accusations of being attacked by a big black man. Give me a break! He has done nothing but put these fears into people that don't know any better, and I do hold him responsible for a lot of this. In my eyes, he is nothing but evil.
So you are going to blame....
this whole thing on a man who hasn't even been sworn in yet? May I borrow your crystal ball?
I believe that the blame goes
to both government and the automakers. For them to pay skilled trades a buttload of money and allow them to sit and do nothing and then retire at age 50 and live off of GM isn't right. That is GM's fault for allowing that happen. As for making big trucks and SUVs....it was what the people wanted at that time. That really wasn't a huge concern until gas prices started to skyrocket. They were making what they thought people wanted. They couldn't predict that gas would skyrocket like it did and the economy would collapse like it has.
and some of the blame goes to...
us. the American people, those who did not support industry in the US. rush out and buy those foreign cars. it may be cheaper in the short term but in the long run....no way, it will kill us all. Can't see the forest through the trees. Geez louise. Complain about losing jobs in the US and jobs from US going overseas and then buy foreign products instead of American made and what do you expect. Do you realize the far-reaching implications of the auto industry going bust???? All the suppliers affected. And all the money that would be earned by the by those millions of people who will now be earning, and thus spending, nothing. That is all money that would be supporting every other business. you can put blame anywhere you want but we all deserve some of it for destroying our own economy.
Then how can you sit and try to blame
on President Bush? You have tuned him out and ignored him since 2000, you never tried to give him a chance. Luckily, you were not in one of those towers or on one of those airplanes on 9/11. Whether you like it or not, you are still safe, so far, from those terrorists.
I will not be answering any snide, disrespectful comebacks about our president. No matter what has happened, he has earned our respect. I personally am thankful to have had a man who never had a problem over whether or not to say *so help me God.*
Can you blame her?
Who knows where those lips have been? LOL!
We cannot blame everything
on the past 8 years. Granted, the past 8 years weren't the greatest and some major mistakes were made, but there were some things that were going on during prior presidencies that lead to this. The problem was that no one stopped it once it got started and it just snowballed. Now we have Obama in the office and we are still snowballing. If you want to place blame, you need to go back further than Bush and include some others as well. Now it is Obama's turn and we need to keep our eye on him because he continues to spend spend spend!!!!! Yeah....that worked out so well in the past 8 years huh......
Well, of course you do, because it's something else to blame Bush for. nm
Bush really is to blame for everything
including natural disasters and including the fact that people built a city below sea level with water on all sides and was told that anything over a Cat 3 storm would wipe out the city. The city failed in adequately planning to evacuate the people in case of such an emergency. While I'm absolutely heartbroken to what is happening to people there, especially those who couldn't evacuate themselves the city has been told this would happen for years. Even if Bush had not cut some funds to the area adequate plans would have still not been in place. Everyone has said at one time or another that New Orleans was a disaster waiting for a Cat 4 or higher storm to happen. You can pin this on Bush like you do everything else that happens in this world, but Bush is hardly to blame for the devastation. Finger pointing does no good at this point. We all must dig deep and do what we can do for those in New Orleans. Arguing the political aspects of this disaster will not hydrate one dehydrated baby or feed one hungry person or build one adequate shelter.
My advice to everyone is to step away from your computer, go buy some non-perishable items and get it to a relief point tomorrow.
dont blame me
Once again surmising about someone on a teeny weeny board. I would never do that, LOL. I would hope you are all good people with a different ideology, that is all, and hopefully one day we could understand each other a bit..but once again, attacking, on the liberal board no less. Please dont attack the messenger, figure out why it all happened and make sure those responsible are held to task. That is what Im trying to do, get the facts of it all. If the things I am posting seem to all be attacking Bush, these are articles in the last few days papers, many papers. They are the ones questioning what the heck is happening down on the gulf and, in turn, so am I. You dont know anything about me and what I do to help others..Politicizing a tragedy? No. Looking at why it happened and what America could have done to have made it not so bad, yes. That is something our govt has to do. Who is at fault. Not for the hurricane, of course, but the levees collapsing, the aid not getting to the unfortunate ones, the money that should have been given to New Orleans but went to war instead, even though Bush was still giving out tax breaks to *his class of people*, the super rich.
Blame the victims
So...lets just blame the victims, the ones who live in New Orleans..OMG..Put the blame where it belongs, on the federal govt for cutting funds to shore up the levees..and who was in control at that time.....BUSH..he needed the money for the rich peoples tax cuts and the insane war.
You should have stopped at *I blame.* sm
Figures that someone giving a pep talk would turn you off. Might take the edge off that HATRED and RAGE. You are beginning to look more and more like the crowds who are looting, raping and shooting, out of control, full of a sense of entitlement and more than a little full of hysterical rage.
If they don't like the message, they blame the
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If you want to blame someone for your 401K,
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Well of course they will......you think they gonna blame
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