The above article posted a little messy. trying one more time
Posted By: whorn on 2007-12-13
In Reply to: He did it again..Children's health care bill vetoed a second time - whorn
Bush vetoes children's health bill a second time
By Caren Bohan
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush on Wednesday vetoed a bill expanding a popular children's health-care program for a second time, angering Democrats who are locked in a fight with the administration over the budget and spending.
Pushed by the Democratic-led Congress but also supported by many Republicans, the bill was aimed at providing health insurance to about 10 million children in low- and moderate-income families. Taxes on cigarettes and other tobacco products would have been increased to pay for the aid.
Bush vetoed an earlier version of the bill in October but Congress quickly passed another one that included some changes but not enough to satisfy the White House concerns.
"Because the Congress has chosen to send me an essentially identical bill that has the same problems as the flawed bill I previously vetoed, I must veto this legislation too," Bush wrote in a message to the House of Representatives.
The fight between Congress and the White House over the health bill is one in a series of clashes over spending that have arisen this year.
Bush has said the funding level sought by the Democrats for the health program would have expanded it beyond its original intent of covering poor children and marked a step toward government-run health care.
Democrats say the additional money is needed to help families who cannot afford to buy private health insurance but who earn too much to qualify for the Medicaid health care program for the poor.
"This is indeed a sad action for him to take, because so many children in our country need access to quality health care," House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, told reporters.
The bill would have provided $60 billion in funding for the children's health program over five years, compared with the current $25 billion five-year funding level.
The tobacco tax increase would raise the levy on cigarettes by 61 cents to $1 per pack.
House Democratic leaders said they will not try to override the veto right away and would vote on a bill to ensure the more than six million kids now in the program can stay enrolled.
(Editing by Todd Eastham)
(Additional reporting by Donna Smith and Richard Cowan)
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DW, if you will look at the article I posted....
you will see some of your concerns addressed. I think the link piglet posted in her original post, where she went searching for more on Camp Cropper....that link has to do with something else, not Camp Cropper. Two different persons in charge. At any rate, Camp Cropper sends kids outside the detention area to school taught by Iraqis, not Americans, just a more moderate view of Islam also not the militant jihadist kind. It says that Sunni and Shiite teens are starting to interact and the hatred seems to be disappearing. And, as piglet rightfully pointed out regarding Venezuela and how the young people were effecting the change...so can it be in Iraq, because that is where it starts, correct? And it sounds like this commander over this detention center, with the help of Iraqi teachers, is doing just that. Not trying to convert them from Islam, just give them a different view of Islam and a choice other than violence. As you say, they are the future of the Middle East, and I think the school that Camp Cropper uses is the way to help that happen. As the Iraqi principal said...mostly they are just kids wanting to be kids. And if we can turn a few of them from jihad and toward reconciliation within their own country, then I think it is well worth the effort.
Have a good day!
That article posted above was NOT about
It was about SCHIP.
Snapshots: State Coverage Expansions, Despite Economic Downturn
Despite the economic downturn, a few states are continuing to pursue coverage expansions. States such as Indiana are expanding Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) by extending program eligibility up the income ladder. Other states are taking more unusual approaches, such as mandating children's coverage (New Jersey) or extending dependent coverage for children to young adults (Illinois and many other states).
This article you posted clearly contradicts your assertions..
Read what it says about Christianity, also. I believe the article is stating that Hitler's belief about Jews, capitalism and communism was faulty -- used as an excuse to exterminate them. It does not state that Hitler's three excuses for hating Jews is based on factual evidence, quite the contrary.
I think perhaps you read a different article than the one posted by Lurker.
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See the article I posted above by Peggy Noonan.
She talks about Bush's out of control spending, and she's no liberal!
Bush cut OIL COMPANY PROFITS? Yeah... right! Time of crisis or not, they don't care. I'm no O'Reilly fan, but O'Reilly publicly challenged the oil companies on his show to just voluntarily take a small reduction in PROFITS during this time. Ain't gonna happen.
For all the conservative posts on our board, I haven't seen ONE who can explain who is going to PAY for all Bush's spending. I pity the poor person who is the next President and inherits Bush's huge MESS. If (hopefully) it's a Democrat, you can bet the necons will be trashing him/her from the git-go, calling him/her atheist, drunk, and whatever other libel they invent between now and then.
I'm working as hard as I can because my daughter and her husband won't be able to afford to heat their home this coming winter. There is no way I'm going to let my grandchildren, daughter and son-in-law freeze, and I'm going to try to help out as much as I can.
I've read where some of the most radical whacko evangelicals with a direct pipeline (no pun) to God blamed Katrina on lack of morals of people in New Orleans. In the light of Rita, seems to me that God's actually targeting the people controlling the oil rigs. Maybe God's warning that if we don't quit coveting and trying to steal oil from the Middle East's Gulf, God's going to send in a really BIG storm to destroy the oil rigs in America's Gulf. Maybe it's God's way of telling Bush that Bush isn't listening to what God has been telling him, that we need to protect and take care of our own, and stop lying and murdering and killing for his own personal gain and that of his cronies.
Sorry to go off on a tangent here, but I become very angry at the thought of my family freezing this winter (even though they work hard and are/were considered middle class). Hopefully, I will be able to help so that doesn't happen, but what about all the other families with children out there? What happened to conservative family values? They obviously don't exist if a school choose to CLOSE to conserve fuel, and oil companies keep right on churning and collecting huge profits.
Just like you, I truly hope a revolution is churning. Someone has to start caring about regular, hard-working, underinsured or uninsured people in this country. These are the people who are the backbone of this country, the people who do the REAL work, while the fat cats (Bush's base) sit back and get fatter and fatter with Bush's blessings!
Unbelievable! I posted an article disputing everything you said.
Now who am I going to believe?
A newspaper (that you admittedly don't LIKE) or YOU, who obviously knows more than I would ever want to know about skinheads? You (and your party of lies and deceit) don't have an ounce of credibility, and I'd believe the NYT any day over the ignorant, bigoted, hateful likes of YOU!
In case you haven't noticed, there is a huge controversy over rape and murder of civilian Iraqis. It certainly makes sense that a neo-nazi skinhead group would carry out these kind of brutal acts with no conscience and without thinking twice.
Your beloved skinheads are making the rest of our very FINE military look bad, yet you defend these filthy subhumanoids.
I'm not surprised that you're angry because apparently what was supposed to be a big secret is now being publicized. I'm also not surprised that you're defending them. I fully expected some from the other board to reveal their true selves when I posted the article.
You're repulsive. Go crawl back under the rock you slithered out of. You're leaving a disgusting slime trail. YUCK!
This will be my last post to you. I don't deal with hateful bigots.
Exactly, in fact, the Ann Coulter article I posted sm
has past turnovers in congress and house under other administrations. This is nothing compared to the past.
I was talking about the article you posted with no source. sm
And my point was if you believe everything that is written, well...never mind. Rush likes to gets libs going and it looks like it worked for you. I like him. MY opinion is that he not what you say he is, so we will have to just agree to disagree.
I didn't say I believed it, just posted an article
I wouldn't be too quick to put words in someones mouth just for the sake of mocking them. I never said I believed it. I know it happened in Nazi Germany (holocaust). I only posted the article because when I started searching on welfare, government takeovers, and other topics, that topic kept popping up.
Do I believe it could happen. Not really. Just thought it was interesting. So,...all I said I believed was the plan to put the country on welfare. If you want to mock me for something at least mock me for what I said.
Don't think you read the same article, THAT IS THE TITLE...see the link I posted...
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I posted the entire article, but I MUST be LYING! LOL! Link inside. sm
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/8/30/230457.shtml
The article posted is not the complete conversation. Ever hear of Freakanomics? sm
That has a lot to do with the conversation. As usual, the MSM left out significant parts of what was said. No surprise there.
Some time ago somebody posted
that there is 'something' about you and your posts, but she could not exactly pinpoint what it was.
I have the same feeling.
Your comments are so cold and distant, as if coming from a robot.
You picked your user name right.
I knew it was not you who posted the second time...
and I was responding to that poster. My description is not a tad overstated, and if it suits you to believe that the baby is not alive and does not feel pain, so be it. Dilatation and curettage is dilating a uterus and cutting the baby to ribbons. That is not overstated. You should view a film of one. Partial birth abortion is gruesome and horrible. I did overstate it. There is no nice clean unpainful way to abort a child. No need to be condescending, either, but that is not unexpected.
The medical community may refer to miscarriage as abortion, that is semantics. You and I both know that a spontaneous abortion has nothing to do with human intervention. D&C, partial birth abortion, those require human intervention. Not even remotely the same thing; we both know that. As to the medical community...why does the medical community do surgery in utero....why would they do surgery on something dead? That makes absolutely no sense. The below is taken from an article about a procedure performed on a 30-week baby:
On Nov. 7, a team of specialists -- cardiologists from Children's and high-risk obstetrical specialists from Brigham and Women's Hospital -- used ultrasound imaging to guide a catheter through Angela VanDerwerken's abdomen and uterus into the heart of the 30-week-old fetus, a 1 1/2 -hour operation.
A fine needle, followed by a wire with a preloaded balloon, was pushed into the left atrium and then through the atrial septum to reduce the pressure that was causing the atrium to expand with blocked blood. The balloon was inflated until the atrial wall widened. Then the same process was used to create a second hole in the septum, only this time, a tiny stent was put in place.
Cheers rang through the operating room when heart monitors showed blood flowing through the stent. But doctors would not know how successful they'd been until Grace was born by vaginal delivery Jan. 10.
Jay VanDerwerken of Ashburn, next to wife Angela, embraces their daughter Grace during a news conference at Children's Hospital Boston. (By Josh Reynolds -- Associated Press)
The medical community proves what a lot of us already morally know, that the child in utero is alive. How does a heart beat and pump blood in something not alive?
You are right, I would choose not to have an abortion. You can also rest assured I will not stop calling it what it is, either, and that is murder. You want a woman's right to choose, but you do not want to allow me to have an opinion because it does not agree with yours. Right now the law permits abortion on demand (thanks to activist judges who took the right away from individual states and people to vote on the matter) and my faith also tells me I must obey the law of the land. But my faith does not tell me I should not continue to call what is wrong, wrong. As one poster so aptly put it, just because it is legal does not make it right. I am not telling you or anyone else whether or not to have an abortion. What I am telling you is that I believe to choose abortion is wrong, and I believe that any time a society starts to devalue life it sets the stage for moral decline and sets the stage for many worse things to come. History has proven that, time and time again.
No different than any other time. She posted a tidbit
You know...the one you can choose to read or not to read. So what's "dishonest" about that?
No different than any other time. She posted a tidbit
You know...the one you can choose to read or not to read. What's so "dishonest" about that?
No different than any other time. She posted a tidbit
You know...the one you can choose to read or not to read. What's so "dishonest" about that?
That makes the 3rd time this has been posted within the last 6-8 hours (nm)
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Interesting Time article. sm
I believe the title of it was Sarah Palin's Alaskanomics, but not sure. Here is the link for it anyway.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1839724-1,00.html
For the last time, READ THE ARTICLE.
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article from baltimore sun..time for bush to go
From The Baltimore Sun: After Katrina fiasco, time for
Bush to go
After Katrina fiasco, time for Bush to go
By Gordon Adams
September 8, 2005
WASHINGTON - The disastrous federal response to
Katrina exposes a record of incompetence, misjudgment
and ideological blinders that should lead to serious
doubts that the Bush administration should be allowed
to continue in office.
When taxpayers have raised, borrowed and spent $40
billion to $50 billion a year for the past four years
for homeland security but the officials at the Federal
Emergency Management Agency cannot find their own
hands in broad daylight for four days while New
Orleans and the Mississippi Gulf Coast swelter, drown
and die, it is time for them to go.
When funding for water works and levees in the gulf
region is repeatedly cut by an administration that
seems determined to undermine the public
responsibility for infrastructure in America, despite
clear warnings that the infrastructure could not
survive a major storm, it seems clear someone is
playing politics with the public trust.
When rescue and medical squads are sitting in Manassas
and elsewhere in northern Virginia and foreign
assistance waits at airports because the government
can't figure out how to insure the workers, how to use
the assistance or which jurisdiction should be in
charge, it is time for the administration to leave
town.
When President Bush stays on vacation and attends
social functions for two days in the face of disaster
before finally understanding that people are starving,
crying out and dying, it is time for him to go.
When FEMA officials cannot figure out that there are
thousands stranded at the New Orleans convention
center - where people died and were starving - and
fussed ineffectively about the same problems in the
Superdome, they should be fired, not praised, as the
president praised FEMA Director Michael Brown in New
Orleans last week.
When Mr. Bush states publicly that nobody could
anticipate a breach of the levee while New Orleans
journalists, Scientific American, National Geographic,
academic researchers and Louisiana politicians had
been doing precisely that for decades, right up
through last year and even as Hurricane Katrina passed
over, he should be laughed out of town as an impostor.
When repeated studies of New Orleans make it clear
that tens of thousands of people would be unable to
evacuate the city in case of a flood, lacking both
money and transportation, but FEMA makes no effort
before the storm to commandeer buses and move them to
safety, it is time for someone to be given his walking
papers.
When the president makes Sen. Trent Lott's house in
Pascagoula, Miss., the poster child for rebuilding
while hundreds of thousands are bereft of housing,
jobs, electricity and security, he betrays a careless
insensitivity that should banish him from office.
When the president of the United States points the
finger away from the lame response of his
administration to Katrina and tries to finger local
officials in New Orleans and Baton Rouge, La., as the
culprits, he betrays the unwillingness of this
administration to speak truth and hold itself
accountable. As in the case of the miserable execution
of policy in Iraq, Mr. Bush and Karl Rove always have
some excuse for failure other than their own
misjudgments.
We have a president who is apparently ill-informed,
lackadaisical and narrow-minded, surrounded by oil
baron cronies, religious fundamentalist crazies and
right-wing extremists and ideologues. He has appointed
officials who give incompetence new meaning, who
replace the positive role of government with expensive
baloney.
They rode into office in a highly contested election,
spouting a message of bipartisanship but determined to
undermine the federal government in every way but
defense (and, after 9/11, one presumed, homeland
security). One with Grover Norquist, they were
determined to shrink Washington until it was small
enough to drown in a bathtub. Katrina has stripped
the veil from this mean-spirited strategy, exposing
the greed, mindlessness and sheer profiteering behind
it.
It is time to hold them accountable - this ugly,
troglodyte crowd of Capital Beltway insiders, rich
lawyers, ideologues, incompetents and their
strap-hangers should be tarred, feathered and ridden
gracefully and mindfully out of Washington and
returned to their caves, clubs in hand.
Gordon Adams, director of security policy studies at
the Elliott School of International Affairs at George
Washington University, was senior White House budget
official for national security in the Clinton
administration
Each brown place in the link takes you to a different article that supports this article...nm
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So does someone's comment at the end of the article, discredit the whole article??
Unbelievable.
Yep, but it was straight time. No time and a half
DHL is GERMAN OWNED. And, company was located on Snotsdale, I mean Scottsdale, AZ which means. Labor laws in Arizona suck. Right to work state. Basically a company can do whatever they want to do with you and if you do not like it, then quit and find another job.
Wow, I can't believe you posted that. sm
considering all else you have posted on these boards. LOLOLOLOL!!! Man oh man!
who posted it?
I suspect it was the person who goes under the name Brunson who posted the Army mom post as in the post it talks about C-Span and I kind of thought..mmmmm..this is just one of those crazy right wingers posting to start stuff..So right after the post came through, I checked out the right wing board and Brunson was posting the same thing about checking out C-Span today. Coincidence? I dont think so..Two posters within one minute posting about checking out C-Span today?
She posted this as a
She stated above the reference to the Clinton body count and that it was a conspiracy theory. The statement of someone above *It seems that people that sue Bush turn up in bad health or dead* is every bit as much a conspiracy theory as this. Someone on both boards has been trying to spam us with conspiracy theories for days now none of which have an ounce of substance or actual fact behind them. Most of us can see the difference between conspiracy and an actual story with facts behind them. It's really hard to get away with conspiracy theories when there is so many facts out there on the net.
This has been posted before. sm
And is in no way or shape complete or accurate. Rumsfeld served 3 years. You think a flight instructor is a small job? That's pretty telling. Clinton dodged the draft by deferring for a ROTC duty, which he never fulfilled after writing his famous loathing of the military letter. So if we are going to post these lists again and again, let's get it right.
Well, as I posted before...
...it's probably good that you love something, even if it's based on cruelty and mockery.
Do you really mean what you just posted?
Do you actually liken Gitmo to the Hanoi Hilton? Seriously??
Yes, I just posted it too, right after you. sm
It brought tears to my eyes, that the Obama campaign could do such a thing.
And tears that McCain cares more, quite obviously, of our country and it's symbol.
Sorry. This should be posted
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yes! I posted below. Don't let
the Fox zombies drown out the truth on this board. Bless you.
When I first posted
I did not know who it was benefitting. I later found out it was benefitting Obama. Either way if it was benefiting McCain I'd still be saying this is not right. 11/4 is voting day. I'd say a sure fire way to comit fraud on the democrats side. Do the right thing and vote on 11/4.
I don't think they have posted the new one....
if they have, I can't find it.
This should have been posted under
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I posted before that I liked it better
when it was two boards, a liberal board and a conservative board. More intelligent discussion and less mudslinging back then. Three boards would be great, liberal, conservative and politics for anyone that just want to keep pubbing and demning as you say.
Not the OP who posted........sm
about "the reality of O" but my take on this phrase is that when he takes office and starts bringing to pass things that conservatives have been concerned about (detention/"reeducation" centers, civil army, further division of America, etc.), that will be "the reality of O." In other words, he will be revealed to be the charlatan that the liberals refuse to believe he is. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, but I really believe this country has made probably the single biggest mistake in our history.
that is exactly why I posted it...n/m
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I DID! I posted below too!
Sheesh!
I know what I posted.
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Seeing as this was posted 11/13
And today is 11/17, I would say its a new article.
It's actually more than one person's opinion of Obama. One person may have written the article but thousands and thousands agree with him. Truth hurts.
It may be old to you but I had not seen it until I posted
So what.
you posted it as something
that would delight you. Coward. can;t even stand by your own messages.
I will say this again. I posted here because
the Red Envelope Project is a political protest again a godless president and his administration. It is Obama who wants babies murdered on a global scale and wants U. S. taxpayers to fund it.
The next Red Envelope project will be defending the lives of the elderly, the infirm, the physically challenged, both children and adults, who will not receive healthcare benefits under a universal healthcare system, who will be mandated to have lifesaving measures withheld. Rationed care. Will you protest if it is your mother, father, sister, brother or will you say it's their "choice"?
This is Obama's agenda. He is a president of death. Red Envelope Project is a political protest supporting life and its participants are not all Christian. Do you think it only Christians who think abortion is murder? If you do, then you are totally uninformed.
Ob, but you do and you just posted it
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I just posted this elsewhere...
About a friend's dad who recently died. lived in England and was denied CABG because he was too old. how old? He was 55 when he died. His physician admitted CABG would probably have saved his life but TOO OLD at age 55, so they let him die. Yes, we have problems with our system of health care, but at 55 I sure don't think I am too old to be worth saving! I don't want the government telling my physician what he can and cannot do in providing my care nor does my physician want this. I want my physician to make decisions that are based only on what I need to maintain my health, not what some governmental body tells him. And you can bet you bippy if your last name is Clinton, Obama, Pelosi, etc., etc., you won't be denied that CABG, only if your name is smith or Jones or the like.
And I also posted before that I think
gay sex and polygamy are wrong, but I am more lenient to polygamy, but NO groupsex, even animals don't do this.
This is more animalistic than animals behave.
I wish my brother/law will marry me in case my husband dies.
He could, but it is not a MUST.
I posted it for others to see.
And to straighten out where the "spook"/"spooked" reference came from, that it DIDN'T come from the liberals, as you suggested, but it instead came from bigoted Republicans as part of their mailing.
I don't care if you're angry or happy as a clam.
I don't care if you're white, black or purple.
It's 2009, and the south has a rich history of racism. The only thing to me that is relevant about colors is that the Southern Republicans are showing their true ones, and I don't want them to stop, either.
The only thing they've got going for them is fear. If Cheney isn't lucky enough to see America hit a second time, then the best next thing is to divide and conquer. That might have worked in the 1950s, but it's not working any more.
I'm actually eager for them to continue to be their true selves and show the rest of America and the world the sludge they're made of.
That's my opinion, and it has nothing to do with you or your race.
many facts posted
I have posted many facts, you just dont see them as fitting into whatever beliefs you have. A closed mind is a terrible thing. Open your mind to possibilities. Half this country and many parts of the world believe as I do. You know, when I think of the real true republican party, I think of the party of Lincoln but right now it has morphed into the party of radical christian extremists..
Did you even read what you posted!
The last paragraph says it all. Obviously some thought went into this and do you really think if he was NOT an atheist, he would not have sued by now. There were 49,000 Google hits. I am not going to do your work for you. At any rate, I don't care if you believe it or not. It makes no difference to me.
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