The US's idea of a just war? (sm)
Posted By: Just the big bad on 2009-01-06
In Reply to:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/06/gaza.hospital/index.html#cnnSTCText
The other side:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/200916191833159347.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/war_on_gaza/2009/01/20091585448204690.html
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A better idea. SM
Make everyone register as many other sites do. That way, you have to keep the sam identity. As far as the rest, both sides are equally at fault. Using the "They" term and the "You" term are shallow. I doubt the board is under new management. You allegation that posters got special treatment is another delusion. But since you won't be responding to me, I guess I don't need to let that bother me.
You have know idea who or what *they* are. sm
I would not make such statements about something you know nothing about. You read a story, it said what you believed and you ran with it. My gosh, how do you ever learn anything? Do you think I judge all liberals by these people? Freepers are large contributors to charities. They have a race on now to get together donations for Katrina victims. They are huge supporters of the military. I have been going to their site for years and I have never seen anyone threaten to kill anyone. But it's something you want to believe and so you will. It's too darn bad. There are liberals who post there, too. But, of course, you don't know that.
First of all, you have no idea what I would do
Clinton wasn't my favorite president but I have never hated him with the vitriol that you on the left have hated Bush.
As far as Lurker's thoughts about Bush they are assertions and not proven fact and I for one think they are hogwash--not to mention grossly, grossly over exaggerated.
Is that enough of an answer for you? Probably not...nothing is ever enough for you all.
I think I get where you get this idea
It's because all the baseless charges against Bush have truly been baseless. Let's talk about the void-of-actual-fact USA Today article about the so-called NSA release of private information. That has pretty much been debunked and exposed as yet another attempt to cast doubt on Bush. There are numerous other examples, and let's not forget *Rathergate*
Just because liberal journalists have a vendetta for this president and aren't smart enough to get anymore than forged documents to back up their reports does not mean the press has given the president a free pass. They just suck as journalists. That's not Bush's fault.
You have no idea.
but you have illustrated many points made about you here very well. That isn't bashing, my dear, it's called truth.
Now that's an idea!!!
I'm all for that! She seems to be a real go-getter!!
I have no idea.
A friend of mine has been totally hot to trot on this story & has kept sending me stuff about it. I haven't for obvious reasons.
I was reluctant to even post that on this board. It's become so obnoxious here that I may as well be on one of the left-wing sites.
I've found a much more fun place to chat. Lots of conservatives and Libertarians, and much more interesting than this jazz over here.
I have no idea.........
Guess I was raised by *gasp* liberals............frankly, no-bah-dee's bidness, but it is disheartening to see gay couples who love each other who cannot make end-of-life decisions for each other or any of the other "benefits" that heterosexual couples take for granted.
Hey I have an idea for
Since he is going to make all these changes and what not, instead of starting new government programs, why doesn't he just take all the money he is getting for his campaigns and help out people who are losing their homes, jobs, etc? Kind of a "put your money where your mouth is" approach? Then he would really be "different" from other politicians and I bet anyone he helped or saw him helping others would vote for him and he wouldn't have to waste time campaigning and making ads...
Just a thought :-D
not a bad idea.
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I'm not against the idea
of helping people who are helping themselves... regarding helping people with their loans because in turn it will help out the economy... this just seems to be the best suggestion I've heard so far but then again, I've not heard many. I will say this... I personally know someone who has multiple mortgages out on their home, in order to buy new vehicles, etc. not one cent put back into their home. Now I agree that people like that should not be helped, on the other hand, I also find it disgusting that anyone would lend them that money to begin with.
i had NO idea that was said
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Here is an idea
Because there is a lot of voter fraud (no matter what side you believe there is fraud on) do you think a voting system like this would work and if not why.
First, you do away with electronic voting. Everything is paper ballots.
You have a regular sheet of paper divided in half (top and bottom). At the top you have the name of one candidate with the word democrat or republican underneath the name (all in huge letters for those who have a hard time reading), followed by a picture of him/her (for those who can only recognize the candidate by their photo), followed by a big huge box. Same for the other candidate on the bottom of the paper. The big huge box is for people to put an X, checkmark or scribble inside the box.
Then, before you vote you will be asked by the people at the voting booths if you understand how to vote, if not they explain that you can x, check or scribble inside the box next to the candidate you want to win. Each polling place gets only the exact number of ballots (pieces of paper) as there are people registered. Also well ahead of time you tell people if they need to register to vote they need to do so ahead of time at the DMV and nowhere else (to avoid fraud). If they wait and don't register they will not be qualified to vote and will have to wait til next election and that's just tough because they know the rules ahead of time.
At the end of the night after the polls close there is a large group of people from both sides, they open up the boxes, take out the ballots and count them and on a huge blackboard tally up the votes. There are a huge number of people from both sides watching, so there is no chance of fraud. At the end of counting their tally is then sent into the main headquarters, again with a lot of people watching/listening from both sides so there is no chance of fraud.
I've just often wondered that seeing as there is so much voter fraud and a lot of it with computers (college kids are able to hack into the system), why don't we go with paper ballots (and nothing with little hanging chads). This is a huge box so you know right away who they voted for.
What do you think? I can't figure out why there is voter fraud at each election and it never gets fixed. Also, would you be upset it you had to wait until 11/5 to find out the true winner of an election.
Also, I think if a county or state is found guilty of voter fraud all their votes should be tossed out, no matter whether it is on the republicans side or democrats. Rules should be noted ahead of time that if you are caught of voter fraud you will be treated like the children you act like and your privilage will be taken away and if there are any angry citizens they need to take it up with the people in charge of the voting system in their county. This should be a law and take effect that way people know way ahead of time the consequences of fraud or any mis-doings and there will be no option to appeal. You knew ahead of time and you pay the consequences if guilty.
Just frustrated with voter fraud every single election and there just has to be a way to put a stop to it. Your thoughts?
I had no idea
what the heck? I just went to that website. Is this just one wierdo's website who thinks that he is the messiah? Or are you saying to me that there are real people out there, ordinary, everyday people, who actually believe that he is sent from God? Because I watch the news all day long, was gonna vote for O, and I have never, ever seen anything like this here.
You have no idea what you are asking for
part of me hopes Obama wins just so you all can see him for what he really is.
If he wins there will be no more balance of power. We will have a liberal congress with a liberal president who elects liberal judges. But I guess that's what you want, huh? Lets forget family values, moral ways of life. If it's inconvenient, kill it. If you want to marry your dog, go ahead. Don't want to work? We'll take care of you.
I have no idea
I have only voted once before when I was in the military and I did it by absentee ballot because I was overseas. So, who knows? I just left it in God's hands. But the above poster stated that it shouldnt matter. I hope she is right!
That is when the idea was first put out by the guy....
and may not even have been what the original poster was talking about. The idea was first put out there in 2000. If is still on the net, so the "idea" is still out there. I had no idea any such thing ever existed. That is why I posted it. The original poster might not have been referring to that particular website. Sorry for confusion.
Thanks, BWT... This gives me a idea sm
of what he said. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
a really bad idea!
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You have NO idea.
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Where do you get the idea
that foreign made is better value? My husband drives a 1996 Ford F150. It just turned over 200,000 miles and has never had a problem. Our friends have a 1994 Dodge Ram that just turned 300,000 and they just put a new trany in it. Another friend has a 1994 Ford F150 that has over 300,000 on it...never any major repairs. These are all farm trucks that pull heavy LOADED trailers all the time. So what's wrong with that value for American made? Oh yeah, the propaganda tells us that foreign cars are better and less expensive. They are NOT.
My idea is this........
if you want change don't expect it to come from more of the same. My definition is simply that I would like to see people appointed who have honesty, integrity and true concern for the American citizens and those with COMMON SENSE if there is such a thing. I think we've had just about enough "experience" in Washington D.C. They do have the Constitution to guide them, something the "experience" is doing it's dead level best to destroy. As for who these inexperienced people might be, I don't have a clue. I wouldn't mind vetting them myself. For starters I might suggest Governor Mike Beebe from the Great State of Arkansas.
Is this your idea...s/m
of
SATURDAY NIGHT
entertainment.
You have my condolences.
Can you not afford something better than that?
Oh, yes, now I remembered you are a 'starving MT.
Now there's a novel idea!
Part of the problem we're in as a nation, I believe, is because people can't get past their "liberal/conservative" viewpoint to think for themselves. I also believe the crooks (on both sides) are counting on such sheep in their base to allow them to carry out their crookedness.
The idea
that all news channels are biased is in itself based on a Fox news talking point so her premise is flawed to begin with. I think rather than an actual question she is disguising a propaganda point in the form of a question. There seem to be about 4 or 5 that are repeated here over and over endlessly. Not much opinion here to see just same talking points repeated over and over.
Do you have any idea how
much murder goes along with some of these illegal aliens.....the drugs....the kidnapping, etc. Arizona alone had 359 kidnappings in ONE year due to illegals and the drug cartel in Mexico.....are you friggin kidding me!!!!!
Not only that but they are taking away jobs from Americans and tax payers are paying their way. You have no problem with this?
You have no idea.........
Did anyone see that special on TV about the people of Appalachia? They are so poor, you, in your nice warm house with cable TV and plenty to eat can't even comprehend. They have no fluoridated water, so they have no teeth. They have no "real" school system, so they are uneducated. Their diet is so unsubstantial because what LITTLE they get in food stamps doesn't cover the entire month. They dress in rags, they have no teeth, no car and no money - AND to top it off - there are no jobs (not that they would be hired anyway). You have absolutely NO CLUE how desperately poor a LOT of people in this country is. You tell me how those people can escape the poverty they were born into in order to pull themselves up by their bootstraps? The stereotyping BS I read on this board shows some to be more ignorant than the uneducated poor I am talking about.
How about this idea?
How about everyone using the same name so we can have a real idea of where everyone stands and who we are responding to. JTBB gets slammed often, but that's because she doesn't hide and we know where she stands. She hasn't flip flopped on her views either. I'm guilty of hiding too, so from now on I'll be Paper Towel and soak it in, suck it up and get slammed when appropriate. Who is with me?
What's Your Idea?
Relative to the political and social issues which are most important to you, that you wish could be singled out and fixed. The rules are you can only phrase it in the positive, and can only list one idea at a time. Make it as simple as you want--I'd say we should not criticize others for their ideas on this thread, but instead let's just hear from us regular folks on all sides.
My idea started back with the mortgage crisis and the bank bailouts. I think instead of the government giving the money over to help the banks cover for the huge mortgage crisis and all those unpaid loans/foreclosures, they should have given the money to the mortgagees in crisis, in the form of delays/extensions, lower interest/lower payments.
Then many people could have continued to pay their mortgages and the banks would get there money, it just would take a little longer so their profits would be lower, but the bottom wouldn't be falling out. And homeowners in trouble could at least be still responsible for their debt, and have some asset left ten years from now instead of having to walk away.
Where you get that idea -
You seem to profess to know who god loves and does, what is sin and what isn't and what is in the bible and what isn't.
Here's a clue for you cos you're not getting it.
Homosexuality (i.e. loving another human being) is not a sin. Unless your considering love to be a sin.
Nowhere in the bible does it say it is (unless you got one of those special Pat Robertson bibles).
God created everything and loves all creatures great and small - even the ones who have no common sense.
"Father forgive them for they do not know what they do". I will say that each day so that He may forgive you.
Another day, another bad idea!! nm
Here's an idea....(sm)
If you don't like what's being said, don't read it. You don't want anyone talking about it, and yet...here you are again and again and again just dragging it out.......LOL.
I had no idea that AHD was
parrot: 2. One who imitates the words or actions of another, especially without understanding them.
I didn't post the 1st def since I figured you already knew it is also a bird. On second thought, I am glad I mentioned that since you think it is a "liberal slang."
Good idea.
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Not a good idea!
I don't mean to sound snappy toward fellow progressives by any means, but what is the point of having a political discussion board if you don't want to discuss opposing views? Politics is a very confrontational subject, seems like - do you really just want to talk to people who agree with you? How do you learn to handle unpleasant people in real life if you don't want to talk to them online? These are sincere questions, I just would like to know what you think about them.
I admit I like a good verbal tussle and no doubt that colors my view, but that's just me:) If they set up a bashing board I'd be the first one over and there's no sense denying that. But what *do* you guys who want a separate board get out of a political discussion when there's no one challenging your views?
Idea--register under the name
and then nobody can take it from you. Until you do that you don't hold exclusive rights to any moniker and should cease and desist sermonizing people for using free reign monikers.
Have a nice day 
I have no idea what you are talking about. nm
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Good idea, but...
raise taxes on the insurance companies, and they have to pass that on to someone...in higher rates. Big ugly nasty vicious circle. They need to make healthcare a free market place. Make insurance companies complete like any other business. Make health care providers complete like every other business. But then health care workers would feel the pinch because health care providers would have to cut costs. Frankly, I don't see a really good answer, other than looking at social programs as a whole, and taking money from goofy stuff like studying how much gas is released in the atmosphere when a cow belches or billions to save some kind of bird in a swamp...that kind of thing should take second chair to insuring kids in my book. I am not against insuring kids...but if you are going to insure kids, you should insure ALL kids. Otherwise, how do you decide who gets insured and who doesn't? If you are going to have the government insure kids and monitor that, then ALL kids should be insured by the government to make sure ALL kids are treated the same by health care providers...rich kids and poor kids alike. Because some higher middle income families kids are not insured because their parents chose NOT to insure them so they can spend that money elsewhere. That is documented. I know people personally who are healthy and their kids are healthy and they don't want to pay the premiums, and they know if something catastrophic happens legally they cannot be denied health care and can pay it out at 50 bucks a month. I don't like that attitude, but that attitude is out there. The whole thing is so skewed. I am not sure there is a good answer. All I know is, they cannot keep taxing, taxing, taxing Americans to death to pay for programs...or sooner than later ALL Americans will need to be on programs and who is going to pay for it then? Sigh.
good idea
I should probably do that for ALL the candidates including the Republicans. It's hard though to find a non-partisan website to wade through all the slanted rhetoric.
Excellent idea!!!!
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You have no idea what you are talking about
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you have no idea what a Republican is.
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Interesting idea
Or we could go back to the days when there was no VP candidate - whoever got the most votes was the President and whoever got the second most votes was the Vice President. That would make for a very interesting four years - McCain/Obama or vice versa?
Great idea. BTW,
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I still have no idea to whom you are referring!
Why don't you give specific examples, so I can understand what you are talking about? I am not psychic and truly don't know who you are targeting here. Everyone on the board has the ability to post under whatever name they choose. For example, Sam admitted to posting under the name Indy Observer yesterday. No one knew it was her until she revealed it in one of her posts. Do you have special powers that allow you to know who is posting under various names?
The idea of helping
lower income families really is a neighborly idea. We should help others. However, we need to look at the big picture here. When you continually give free handouts at the expense of others, not only do you make the people actually earning the money bitter, but you create a whole new problem with people expecting the government to bail them out and give them free handouts. Yes, it may help some people but on the whole it will only create more government spending because more people will become dependent on the goverment taking care of them. It is like a huge snowball rolling down a mountain and it just gets bigger and bigger and faster and faster until it buries us all. We cannot afford more government programs. We cannot afford to pay for health care for everyone.
People are so blinded by the slogan of change that they will jump on any bandwagon. Open your eyes! The last thing we need right now is bigger government. Bigger government will only cause more government spending and our country will fail horribly!
Here is an idea for McCain.
Maybe McCain should have raised his own campaign funds instead of taking money from public campaign funds that come out of all of our pockets, even if we do not support him. Obama opted out of the public campaign fund program and has raised all of his money from supporters.
I would bet you have no idea what his degrees are in without looking it up. Tell me? nm
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good idea :) nm
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Oh I think that's a great idea
Great idea -
Make everyone's name known who votes for Obama and who votes for McCain (this board goes to show people will admit in public who they vote for), so once you have the list of names for everyone who votes for Obama, only their taxes get raised, for they deserve what they get. Leave the rest of us alone.
Do you have any idea what people like you are doing?
How dare you call her a hipocrit because she disagrees (respectfully) with you. People like you are inciting anger and hatred in this country that is likely to have disastrous results. If Obama is assassinated during his term in office, and he WILL be the next president, barring a Republican repeat of the 2000 election, his blood will be on the hands of bigoted people like yourself.
VOTING A WRITE-IN VOTE FOR LOU DOBBS!!
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