The Iraq War for OIL please read republicans
Posted By: Christian without the hate on 2009-01-21
In Reply to: You Republicans? Are you for real? - sm
Yes, republicans were responsible for this war. Geo BUSH got us in and it's the republicans always defending it. Why do you call Mrs. M ignorant? Are you embarrassed to be a republican? An uninformed one at that?
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Republicans taking a different tone on Iraq...sm
Republican lawmakers losing positive tone on course of war
Jonathan Weisman, Anushka Asthana, Washington Post
(07-22) 04:00 PDT Washington -- Faced with almost daily reports of sectarian carnage, Republicans are shifting their message on the war in Iraq from optimistic talk of progress to acknowledging serious problems and pointing up mistakes in planning and execution.
Rep. Gil Gutknecht, R-Minn., once a strong supporter of the war, returned from Iraq this week declaring that conditions in Baghdad were far worse than we'd been led to believe, and urging that troop withdrawals begin immediately.
Other Republican lawmakers acknowledge that it is no longer tenable to say the news media is ignoring the good news in Iraq and painting an unfair picture of the war. About 4,338 Iraqi civilians died violent deaths during the first six months of 2006, according to a new report by the U.N. Assistance Mission for Iraq. Last month alone, 3,149 civilians were killed -- an average of more than 100 a day.
It's like after (Hurricane) Katrina, when the secretary of Homeland Security was saying all those people weren't really stranded (at the New Orleans civic center) when we were all watching it on TV, said Rep. Patrick McHenry, R-N.C. I still hear about that. We can't look like we won't face reality.
Essentially, what the White House is saying is, 'Stay the course, stay the course,' Gutknecht said. I don't think that course is politically sustainable.
Rep. Jim Gerlach of Pennsylvania, a swing-district Republican facing a tough re-election race, has introduced legislation to create clear measurements of progress in Iraq, from territory under the control of Iraqi forces to government stability.
Congress needs to be more proactive and aggressive in evaluating what is the progress in Iraq, he said. The Iraqi government shouldn't feel like it's got a blank check on American lives and American dollars.
Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., meanwhile, is using his House Government Reform subcommittee on national security to vent criticism of the White House's war strategy and new estimates of the monetary cost of war.
On Tuesday, Shays joined U.S. Comptroller General David Walker in criticizing unreliable cost estimates of a war that is nearly 3 1/2 years old.
Even Democrats say they see a change in tone on the other side of the aisle.
I think there is a lot less arrogance about the war in Iraq than there once was -- and people are much more sober in their assessment, said Rep. Chris VanHollen, D-Md.
The evolving Republican message on the war contrasts with the strong rhetoric used by House and Senate Republicans recently in opposing a deadline for withdrawal from Iraq. Last week, House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, issued a statement hailing the turnover of Iraq's Muthanna province to Iraqi security forces under the headline, Progress in Iraq ... Despite Doomsday Democrats.
During a debate last month, Gutknecht intoned, Members, now is not the time to go wobbly. This week, he conceded I guess I didn't understand the situation, saying that a partial troop withdrawal now would send a clear message to the Iraqis that the next step is up to you.
Republicans, especially those in swing districts, had no choice but to shift the emphasis of their war talk, lawmakers said.
The Iraq issue is the lens through which people are looking at the federal government, said Rep. Charles Dent of Pennsylvania, another swing-district Republican. That is the issue to most people. There's no question about that.
You Republicans should read this: s/m
Wouldn't hurt the dems to read it as well. This article from the Washington Post makes perfect sense to me. I am not in favor of either party controlling both the White House and the congress, especially seeing I don't agree with either of them. Maybe by having a bit of balance (and I DO NOT mean McCain/Palin in the White House), we could hold steady until the American people WAKE UP.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/23/AR2008102302081.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Just read public comments on other websites...republicans are upset...sm
and either not voting or voting for Obama. McCain is looking like a true hypocrite with his VP pick. I couldn't stop laughing at all the comments. He made a HUGE mistake with Palin.
And that statement is ridiculous, Iran and Iraq enemies, remember the Iran-Iraq war? Iraq would jus
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Bush didn't destroy Iraq. He helped to liberate Iraq.
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This looks interesting. A long read, so will read it when I get home from work. nm
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Obviously u didnt read, I said NONE of them are moral. Read the post before spouting off.
I read on CNN (yes, I do read liberal stuff too..hehe)...sm
...that Karl Rove was actually very disappointed in the McCain campaign for airing negative type ads against Obama.
So I would say that Rove is definitely not in the hip pocket of the McCain campaign.
Good research sam - but a lot to read right now so gotta read it later
I've been goofing off too much from work. I appreciate what you wrote and will read when I'm done with work here.
What the Republicans Don't Want You to See.
Stephen Crockett posted this twice (at least) on the Conservative Board, in response to an old quote of his being used out of context and distorted by the usual suspects there. Each time he posted it, it was deleted from the board. It's certainly easy to understand why they don't want anyone to see this.
Please read quickly. They think they should control our board, as well as their own, so it probably won't last very long here, either. 
African-American Voters Scrubbed by Secret GOP Hit List
Published by Greg Palast June 16th, 2006 in Articles
Massacre of the Buffalo Soldiers
by Greg Palast
As reported for Democracy Now!
Palast, who first reported this story for BBC Television Newsnight (UK) and
Democracy Now! (USA), is author of the New York Times bestseller, Armed
Madhouse.
The Republican National Committee has a special offer for African-American soldiers: Go to Baghdad, lose your vote.
A confidential campaign directed by GOP party chiefs in October 2004 sought to challenge the ballots of tens of thousands of voters in the last presidential election, virtually all of them cast by residents of Black-majority
precincts. Files from the secret vote-blocking campaign were obtained by BBC Television Newsnight, London. They were attached to emails accidentally sent by
Republican operatives to a non-party website.
One group of voters wrongly identified by the Republicans as registering to vote from false addresses: servicemen and women sent overseas.
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For Greg Palast’’s discussion with broadcaster Amy Goodman on the Black soldier purge of 2004, go to
http://gregpalast.com/armedmadhouse/palastDN6-14-06.mp3
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Here’’s how the scheme worked: The RNC mailed these voters letters in envelopes marked, Do not forward, to be returned to the sender. These letters were mailed to servicemen and women, some stationed overseas, to their US home addresses. The letters then returned to the Bush-Cheney campaign as undeliverable.
The lists of soldiers of undeliverable letters were transmitted from state headquarters, in this case Florida, to the RNC in Washington. The party could then challenge the voters’’ registration and thereby prevent their absentee ballots being counted.
One target list was comprised exclusively of voters registered at the Jacksonville, Florida, Naval Air Station. Jacksonville is third largest naval installation in the US, best known as home of the Blue Angels fighting squandron.
[See this scrub sheet at http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=160156893&context=set-72157594155273706&size=o
Our team contacted the homes of several on the caging list, such as Randall Prausa, a serviceman, whose wife said he had been ordered overseas.
A soldier returning home in time to vote in November 2004 could also be challenged on the basis of the returned envelope. Soldiers challenged would be
required to vote by provisional ballot.
Over one million provisional ballots cast in the 2004 race were never counted; over half a million absentee ballots were also rejected. The extraordinary rise in the number of rejected ballots was the result of the widespread
multi-state voter challenge campaign by the Republican Party. The operation, of which the purge of Black soldiers was a small part, was the first mass challenge to voting America had seen in two decades.
The BBC obtained several dozen confidential emails sent by the Republican’’s national Research Director and Deputy Communications chief, Tim Griffin to GOP
Florida campaign chairman Brett Doster and other party leaders. Attached were spreadsheets marked, Caging.xls. Each of these contained several hundred
to a few thousand voters and their addresses.
A check of the demographics of the addresses on the caging lists, as the GOP leaders called them indicated that most were in African-American majority zip codes.
Ion Sanco, the non-partisan elections supervisor of Leon County (Tallahassee) when shown the lists by this reporter said: The only thing I can think of - African American voters listed like this - these might be individuals that
will be challenged if they attempted to vote on Election Day.
These GOP caging lists were obtained by the same BBC team that first exposed the wrongful purge of African-American felon voters in 2000 by then-Secretary of State Katherine Harris. Eliminating the voting rights of those voters —— 94,000 were targeted —— likely caused Al Gore’’s defeat in that race.
The Republican National Committee in Washington refused our several requests to respond to the BBC discovery. However, in Tallahassee, the Florida Bush
campaign’’s spokespeople offered several explanations for the list.
Joseph Agostini, speaking for the GOP, suggested the lists were of potential donors to the Bush campaign. Oddly, the supposed donor list included residents of the Sulzbacher Center a shelter for homeless families.
Another spokesperson for the Bush campaign, Mindy Tucker Fletcher, ultimately changed the official response, acknowledging that these were voters, we mailed to, where the letter came back - bad addresses.
The party has refused to say why it would mark soldiers as having bad addresses subject to challenge when they had been assigned abroad.
The apparent challenge campaign was not inexpensive. The GOP mailed the letters first class, at a total cost likely exceeding millions of dollars, so that the addresses would be returned to cage workers.
This is not a challenge list, insisted the Republican spokesmistress. However, she modified that assertion by adding, That’’s not what it’’s set up to be.
Setting up such a challenge list would be a crime under federal law. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 outlaws mass challenges of voters where race is a factor in choosing the targeted group.
While the party insisted the lists were not created for the purpose to challenge Black voters, the GOP ultimately offered no other explanation for the mailings. However, Tucker Fletcher asserted Republicans could still employ the list to deny ballots to those they considered suspect voters. When asked if Republicans would use the list to block voters, Tucker Fletcher replied, Where it’’s stated in the law, yeah.
It is not possible at this time to determine how many on the potential blacklist were ultimately challenged and lost their vote. Soldiers sending in their ballot from abroad would not know their vote was lost because of a
challenge.
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For the full story of caging lists and voter purges of 2004, plus the documents, read Greg Palast’’s New York Times bestseller, ARMED MADHOUSE: Who’’s Afraid of Osama Wolf?, Armed Madhouse: Who’’s Afraid of Osama Wolf?, China Floats Bush Sinks, the Scheme to Steal ‘‘08, No Child’’s Behind Left and other
Dispatches from the Front Lines of the Class War.
http://www.gregpalast.com/massacre-of-the-buffalo-soldiers
what about republicans?
As John Dean recently said I'm still a Goldwater conservative. Today, that places me left of center
What is says is that I and many others, Republicans,
Independents, Progressives, Green Party are sick of having these insane **wars that cannot be won** wars that have no **definition or reason** foisted upon us. You think that winning, whatever that is, is worth whatever it takes including more American and Iraqi lives. We did not leave Viet Nam because of the left and we sure as heck won't be leaving Iraq because of the left. The **American people** the majority (even on Fox news) are dissatisfied with Iraq, the lies and the incompetence. The same was true for Viet Nam. They would take the hill, then lose the hill, then take the hill, then lose the hill, never knowing what having the hill was all about but a whole slew of people would be dead at the end of it. Incompetence, arrogance and ignorance. That is what got us into both these wars. Some times you just have to suck it up and move on, cut your losses and get out. We, the liberals, did not start this nor is it our fault that it will end the way it will and it will end and it won't be pretty. We do not belong there. We cannot win anything. There are those who will hold on till the bitter end and even then will refuse to give up. Years after Viet Nam you guys are still fighting that war, er, conflict. When the state I grew up in, Indiana, is voting Democratic, you know the gig is up. Although Hoosiers vote for Democrats on a local basis, I cannot remember a time the state did not send all of its electoral votes to the Republican party and Indiana is usually the first state to be called for the Republican side, but not today. As much as you would like to malign the left and blame us if we do leave Iraq before you think it is time to, for the first time in a long time, you are in the minority. Middle class middle America, Indiana, is voting Democratic. That is huge. Many of them on exit polls cited the corruption in Congress as a second reason they were not voting Republican.
But the same can be said for many republicans.
To decide you will never vote democrat again based on the actions and words of a few radical examples on an internet message board for medical transcriptionists is hardly objective. I can think of extreme examples of republicans, too, but I do not judge all republicans based on those examples. There are plenty of republicans who support Bush just because he's republican. No difference.
Republicans
amen sister!
Sorry. IMO it is the republicans that are...sm
constantly comparing Palin to Obama and we wish you would stop, and so does he and has said so several times. I am willing to compare Obama to McCain and Palin to Biden, no problem. You call the dems extremists, look in the mirror.
what does that have to do with republicans? nm
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Well...what the Republicans DID NOT...
do for me was cripple the economy. THANK YOU, REPUBLICANS. What they did not do was raise my taxes. THANK YOU, REPUBLICANS. They are right now trying to keep Democrats from a huge wasteful expansion of welfare programs when we are in grave economic straits getting worse by the day...THANK YOU REPUBLICANS. And just for the record...I am a registered Independent.
Kool-aid....good grief. If it comes out of the Great O's mouth people just buy it, hook line and sinker. He doesn't have to explain anything. Hey, we are going to spend a trillion more dollars and help all those poor people, especially the ones who don't even PAY taxes. Bless their hearts. And WHO is paying for this...oh well, that would be you and me. What happened to the middle class tax cuts? Oh well, we can't do that...we are in a recession. But let's spend a trillion on even more programs. Why not??
Do you really not get ANY of that? Just asking.
Because the REPUBLICANS
Obama has tried to engage the Republicans, but as you can see by this board, there is no way they will ever cooperate. No matter what Obama does or says will never be good enough for them.
Just a microcosm of the real world. Republicans need to learn to get along and stop trying to set themselves up for office in 2012. Their posturing is hurting the American people.
Many Republicans were against the ...
bailouts. I sure was and am. Keep in mind that many Americans ARE Republicans. It is certainly not the goal of Republicans to see the country fail. My family and many other families are military families that are more than willing to fight for this country. Nobody laughs about this mess, guaranteed.
I think the republicans have been more ga-ga over...
putting more earmarks in bills coming across Congress. Did you see that over 40% of the earmarks in this omnibus bill are from republicans? I was so excited after almost every one of them voted no on the other bill because of earmarks, but I guess I shouldn't have expected that to last long. These are politicians we're talking about - one side is just as bad as the other.
hey republicans, did it hit a nerve?
For the post of failure=bush to have gotten such a response, IMHAO makes me think we have hit a nerve, LMFAO. If it meant nothing because they thought their leader was so righteous, so smart, so dang right in his policies, they would have dismissed the post about failure=bush..When you protest so loudly, you prove we are right and it irks you..sigh..too bad..
The Republicans actually blew it, thank you.
That sordid little event in Clinton's office never had to become public in the way that it did. It became public because the Republicans desperately, avariciously WANTED it to become public. So no crocodile tears now about how Clinton spoiled everything when that is exactly what you wanted to happen. If the private, cheating, sordid lives of all politicians were to PURPOSEFULLY AND DELIBERATELY be made public - especially including those who most adamantly prosecuted Clinton - I think all the tearful nellies who think our leaders were all fine upstanding moral guardians before Clinton came along would simply have their naive little heads explode from the shock.
not all republicans are liars
No I dont think all republicans are liars. I think many twist the truth to try to justify their opinion and beliefs instead of looking at the cold hard facts. I judge each person individually, however, when someone does lie consistently or believes in a fantasy world, like Bush does..telling us every day Iraq is getting better when we can clearly see that it isnt..when people manipulate the science and change the figures or the intelligence data for their own agenda and gain, then I judge those people harshly and never believe them again. Bush is like the little boy who cried wolf. He has lied so darn much, I dont believe a word he says any more and I dont trust him at all.
Republicans cared, that's who. sm
And this *Christian* pornstar is confused. Bush needs to read her some scripture over dinner. You didn't see Clinton running around professing Christianity to any one who would listen either.
I don't think US preempting another war will bid well for republicans..sm
Or anyone else who supports them. Thus the attempt at 6-party talks, etc with Iran. Though you you musn't rule anything out with this bunch.
BTW, I stopped getting in a tizzy over the terror alerts long time ago. I know it's better safe than sorry, but when there's a terror alert every time you turn on the TV you might as well just live your life.
Democrats vs Republicans...
I agree that problems occur on both sides of the aisle...obviously. What I find troubling, and I am being serious here, is that Democrats seem much less likely to own up to it when they do something wrong, even when caught, and the entire party seems to rally around them and somehow want to twist the wrong into a right or rationalize the wrong (he only lied about sex for example. He committed felony perjury, doesn't matter what the lie was about. If it was no big deal, why didn't he just tell the truth? I guess that depends on what the meaning of truth is?). Republicans generally fall on the sword when caught. There just seems to be something skewed about the Democratic party as a whole and their vision of what is wrong or right and it seems to be directly correlated to whether one of their party is guilty or the other party is guilty. This is just an observation. I am not a registered Republican nor Democrat. I am conservative, I am registered Independent but vote for whoever most closely follows my belief system, though they as a rule don't do as they say...and I mean ALL politicians. I just keep hoping for an honest one. Bush did what he said he would do for a long time, but I see him waffling now, and I am not sure that is a good thing. As I look at the two major parties in this country, it just seems to me that on the Democratic side they are more likely to support each other and try to spin wrongdoing even when caught at it, rarely if ever admitting to wrongdoing. I do not see that so much on the Republican side. I suppose now I should go back to the conservative side and let the process continue. I thought the boards were about opinion and discussion and debate. How can you expect to change any minds if you only talk to the like-minded? Thanks for your time, Lurker. I do enjoy talking to you.
I see it with Democrats and Republicans. sm
Where are all the progressives and antiwar people?
Republicans, Help me to understand
This is not a joke, and not meant to provoke but...
1- Do you think Bush is a good president?
2- Do you like his policies?
3- Would you like 4 more years of that kind of leadership?
Why?
Democrats vs Republicans
1. My research on the black liberation movement of which Obama's church is a part tells me all I need to know about whether or not I want to see him in office. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_liberation_theology
2. If McCain is elected I believe we will face a great depression which will make the depression of the 30s look like a Sunday School picnic. People already losing homes, jobs, exploding deficit (and the piper will be paid sooner or later), cost-of-living getting so people can hardly afford to live. McCain's judgement is questionable in his choice of a running mate. Totally reckless to name someone he has only met once but then there's oil in Alaska.
I will not support or vote for either of them as were doomed either way.
Were there Republicans in Denver?
Not only did Joe Lieberman speak, there were signs "Democrats for McCain," and they didn't get beaten or threatened, like the Michelle Malkins out there.
For all the Bush-bashing (I give no one a free pass), when did he openly get credit for Colin Powell, Condi Rice, etc.?
Funny thing about facts that way. Pesky little things, aren't they?
The Republicans are totally AGAINST
Just wait. If they get in office another 4 years, there are freedoms we have today that could disappear tomorrow.
Democrats vs Republicans
Just dropped in to see if either the Dems or Pubs on this board have given an inch. They haven't. Boring and useless. I'm betting McCain will win so we'll never know about big, bad Obama for sure. I'll drop back in after a few years of McCain to see how well y'all like him then. Like about now I'm really wondering if John Kerry wouldn't have been an improvement over George Bush. I understand ole Georgie has an all time low approval rating. Must be a bunch of Republicans who aren't as pleased with him as they thought they would be.
Sometimes I think the republicans are dems in slo-mo....sm
and almost as bad. They can't talk, can't stand up for themselves. Let themselves be run over.
I'm disgusted with everybody on capitol hill.
None of them understand the economy anyway. None of them.
The republicans are listening to their ...
constituents who do not want the bailout. They reported on TV this morning their fax machines and phones ringing off the wall. They don't like the bill as it stands. The fact remains, the Democrats had the votes to pass it had the 69 who voted nay had voted yay. They didn't do it because they don't want to be holding the whole bag if it goes south. So to whine about the Republicans who listened to their constituents and not wanting to stick their necks out caused it to fail...wrong.
But it is totally political...the Dems do not want to vote in majority with "Bush/Paulson" plan...because if it failed...you know the drill.
Sigh.
I think the Republicans should go home...
and let the Democrats, who have the majority anyway, put their money where their mouth is and pass it. Put their country first instead of their political futures. Take a chance. They have it in their power to pass it. The Republicans can't. They don't have enough votes, even if they wanted to.
No, most of the Republicans voted against it...
because their constituency were 99 to 1 against it. The senators added the extra stuff hoping to entice some of those Republicans to vote yes instead of no. Plus to woo the 95 democrats who voted against it.
It is silly on its face for the Democrats to whine so much...if they would stop worrying about voting in the majority with George Bush, they could pass the thing themselves. They have the majority. But they want it to be "bipartisan" so if it does not work, they don't have to live out their congressional terms with "they voted with George Bush and crashed the economy" over their heads.
Politics first, constituents second. And so it goes.
Your cannot even image what the republicans said about...sm
JFK when he was running for president, the first Catholic, junior senator, Harvard graduate, wealthy influential family. Oh my goodness. It was really ugly when he was running against tricky Richard. We all know what happened with that. Americans are not fools. Obama will win.
republicans have been doing it for years
got it down to an art form.
I can think of a few other things Republicans
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Oh sure - and the republicans are all just so warm
NOT.
Any of you Republicans want to address this? s/m
Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America........given to us by Bush, "the decider." And you find Obama "scary?"
Republicans, my butt!
That's what we call a RINO. I endorse neither of them. Both of their wives are mega-libs, & they're no different. Genuine Republicans don't want them in our party, either.
Here's a few more republicans besides Powell
1. William Buckley, III
2. Susan Eisenhower
3. Julie Nixon Eisenhower
4. US Senator Lincoln Chaffee (R-Rhode Island)
5. Former Rep Jim Leach (R-Iowa)
6. Former Bush White House intelligence advisor Rita E. Hauser
7. Governor Linwood Holton (R-Virginia)
8. Former LA Mayor Richard Riordan (R)
9. Bill Ruckelshaus, appointed first chief of the EPA in 1970 by President Nixon, appointed acting director of the FBI in 1973 and later named deputy U.S. attorney general. He resigned rather than obey an order from Nixon to fire the Watergate special prosecutor, Archibald Cox. In 1983, Ruckelshaus was appointed interim director of the EPA by President Reagan.
10. Douglas Kmiec, co-chairman of Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign’s Committee for the Courts and the Constitution; worked in the Reagan Justice Department.
11. Mayor Ed Koch of New York, formerally endorsed Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg for Mayor, AL D’Amato for U.S. Senate, George Pataki for Governor, and, in 2004, George W. Bush for President of the United States.
12. Retired four-star Air Force General Merrill “Tony” McPeak, served in the Air Force for 35 years. Former member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, served as co-chairman of Oregon Veterans for Bush something he would later call an enormous mistake.
13. Donald Capoccia Vice Chair, US Commission of Fine Arts
14. Jackson M. Andrews, Republican Counsel to the U.S. Senate. Republican nominee, U.S. Senate from Kentucky.
15. John Martin, Founder of RepublicansForObama.org
16. Richard J. Schwartz, Chairman, New York State Council on the Arts
17. Todd Garrett, retired Senior VP and CIO of the Procter & Gamble Company
18. Richard B. Stewart, Assistant Attorney General for Environment and Natural Resources
19. Jim Whitaker, Fairbanks, Alaska Mayor
20. Ambassador Thomas Graham Jr., Executive Chairman of Thorium Power Ltd.
Yeah and Republicans want to
privatize Social Security. It's a toss-up who's the worst ain't it.
And you think republicans are all honest?
You rabid republicans need to
get over yourselves. You can't have an objective conversation. You have to be the be all and end all to every discussion. So you support McCain....I don't. Big deal. You think the media is biased against your candidate...if there is any bias it probably comes from Fox News, which I wouldn't know...I don't watch them.because they ARE biased and most certainly not in favor of Obama. I've watched them before and they are biased toward any REPUBLICAN. Can this country not get over PARTY.
LIke the quote from Obama's book. You republicans interpreted for him. I personally would not be so presumptious.
Furthermore, I think you can relax as I think you will get what you want. McCain will be in the White House when all is said and done, just wait and see.
or Republicans for the 8 years before that
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not all republicans are christians.
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Question for republicans...
I'ts a known fact that the republican party needs to regroup. The question I have is would you rather see it go farther right or more towards the center? If it goes to the center, what would you lose in the process?
Question for republicans....(sm)
Why is it that there are no (that I know of) republican political comedy shows? To the left we have Saturday Night Live, The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, Chocolate News, etc. There aren't any movies to speak of either. I think the latest attempt was the one about Michael Moore starring Bill O'Reilly, and I haven't seen that advertised anywhere other than Fox News. On the other hand, *W* is out, which seems to be a huge hit.
You Republicans? Are you for real?
Shame on your ignorance. What a waste of space each time you post.
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