That is ridiculous, shelly!
Posted By: Samonella on 2008-10-27
In Reply to: scared now - shelly
I cannot believe you are so easily swayed by right-wing propaganda!
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you go shelly!
All the polls still favor Obama.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/
Seems like the last holdouts are on this very board.
Shelly,
You are not alone with your thoughts... my friends and I have discussed this many times and basically feel the way you do.
Shelly, I am not sure but...
I think it is already a mandate that if a hospital receives government reimbursements (Medicare, Medicaid) then they are required to do those procedures now.
Right there with ya Shelly! nm
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oh wow, shelly...........sm
and you said you live in Ohio??? Gosh, I sure hope your vote did count. Is there someone you could call to find out before it is too late?
Hi Shelly....sm
Very good post. I too, am quite concerned, at how eerily similar things are going between these two.
One day, the so-called transparency will not be there, and we will wake up a changed nation.
I do not like the path of change I see unfolding. In just seven short days, he is starting to show who he really is.
I have a friend who lives in Japan. The news they get is ALL positive about Obama, and how he is strong leader and going to change the world. The world. The EU thinks he is the answer to their economic woes. The young person who cuts his hair, wishes Japan had such a wonderful leader.
Well, I sent him an e-mail back with some of the things that they DON'T see in the news over there, and my friend was quite surprised. Propaganda is alive and well in the world, at least in Japan. They believe only the rosy future that the U.S. and the world has, now that Obama is the next president.
I get it, Shelly! You are so right.
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You are absolutely right, Shelly. s/m
Many churches want to take away the right to choose. I'm glad you're not one of them. I don't think the government has any business messing in people's private life to begin with. Abortion shouldn't be an issue anyhow. There are too many forms of birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place. I think it is just another devisive issue.
I don't believe there is such a thing as a moral politician. Whether people are believers or not, the world would be a better place if people used the Bible as a rule book for life. Who could really argue with the rightness of Jesus' teaching, whether or not they profess to being "Christian" or atheist for that matter.
Shelly: Please vote. You don't have
to choose in every single category, but there are state and local levels that also matter, and don't forget those pesky propositions referable to your local tax base and bond issues. If you feel uncomfortable about choosing a particular candidate or not informed enough to choose,then you can skip that one.
Shelly - there are other choices
We've still got over a week til the election. There is a lot you can read up on, and you never know what's going to happen in whatever time is left. I'm not going to say who you should vote for. That is an individual decision you should make. Also note that if you feel very strongly against both candidates there are other choices. Constitutional, Independent, Green party, etc. IMHO, if you want to look on a lighter side of it, just realize that your vote alone if you were to vote for either of them would not be the one that breaks the tie and wins a victory for them, but if you feel very strongly to vote there are other choices. At least you'll feel like you'll have contributed in the voting process but not chosen someone you don't feel strongly against.
Shelly, you're not alone -- sm
I have been discussing this very situation with my husband and close friends. I also am Christian (probably not as faithful as I should be). I supported him in the beginning, up until as recently as a month ago. The more I talked with my friends and read about the prophecies, the more I feared that he is the one the Bible speaks of in Revelations (and not as the messiah). So many of the prophecies seem to be fulfilled, and yet, these same prophecies could have easily been seen to be fulfilled years ago.
I'm more curious as to what your father's thoughts are on these subjects (from a religious perspective). As for me, I need to be able to sleep at night, and if that means voting for McCain, then so be it. I know that when the true Messiah does return on that white horse, I'm going with him. If my vote is borne out of fear, at least it won't be fear of where I'll end up.
shelly -- don't let these posters
discourage you. Keep spreading the word. As a previous O supporter, I knew that he was pro-choice. I did not, however, know to what extreme. I simply thought he chose to support Roe v. Wade, as many do. Had it not been for this board, I never would have researched and found out about the FOCA. There are people on this board who can still be won over. Keep on "harping"!!!
The people who are trying to keep religion out of politics are the same ones trying to keep it out of our schools, our money, and ultimately our homes.
for Shelly: What's wrong with you...
Are you a STALKER?
What for did you pot such a HUGE picture of O's face and eye?
You are scary!
Give it up and do some MTing, but with concentration.
Shelly, just because I tried to help you with spelling, there is
you are very sensitive and I'm sure it is because you are corrected a lot in your job
Don't sweat it Shelly...(sm)
That's just some fool running around trying to start crap. They even called me a racist---and I'm probably the most liberal poster on this board...LOL. They'll get tired sooner or later.
for shelly: I can only go with what is entered
in posted by:.......
I am with you, Shelly. Also, it seems our nation is
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Honestly, Shelly.
You and I almost never see eye to eye on issues (except I agree 100% with your above comment about filibuster) and sometimes the content of sources you post drive me up a wall, but I've been reading your posts long enough to know that you do not typically get nasty and personal and, for the most part, you try to keep yourself out of the attack mode. At least you do a better job of than than I do.
I guess I'm just feeling old, tired, scared and a little sad. Old enough to remember when the country was not so divided. Tired of feeling like I have to be on the defensive all the time and not being able to talk issues instead of constantly having to wade through a mine field of slams and insults when expressing an opposing view. Scared of getting back on the job market after 6 months of unemployment. Sad because I'm missing the good ole days, which I know deep down in my soul will never be coming back.
I forgot frustrated. Frustrated that I find myself full of sarcasm and anger, sometimes for reasons I cannot even understand myself. I've been active in politics since 1966. More than anything, I love a good healthy debate aimed at exchanging differing points of view and oriented toward common ground and goal-setting, destined toward workable solutions. I used to know how to do that and do it well. Now I'm not so sure I will ever regain that part of myself and I really, really miss that one simple pleasure. Any suggestions?
Shelly, what a beautiful answer! sm
It shows you have had time to come to conclusions, not just answering off the cuff like me. Good for you!
It is scary Shelly. And sad. I don't know what is going to happen either sm
All we can do is pray. I had no idea it had gotten that bad even in the military.
to shelly: Can't you give it a rest?
Are you obsessed with the idea to catch our President-elect in an evil act? What's wrong with you?
President-elect has the right to actions WITHOUT divulging every little petty detail IMMEDIATELY to the press and the people.
After all he is the President-elect and the majority of the people voted for him, not only here in the US, globally he was sponsored as the future President of the United States.
SHOW SOME RESPECT and look for something else to keep you occupied.
Good old Shelly, can dish it out but can't take it
funny !!!! I think the other person was just trying to help and Shelly and Kendra, both cannot spell.... but they jumped crazy like right off the bus from crazytown..looney tunes
Be careful Shelly, we might actually agree on something...LOL (nm)
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No, Shelly, we're not *cramming away*...(sm)
If we were, I would post the same kind of rhetoric that you guys do on this board. How many times have christians on this board defended the pro-life stance and other political ideas with the Bible? I can't even count them. If I were *cramming away* like you guys do, then I would post my real feelings when things like that come up. For example....there is no god, so why should our politics be subject to a philosophy interpreted from a 2000-year-old ghost story? I would also post the name *christian* in a derogatory manner, the same way you guys do with the name *athiest.* I haven't posted things like that on the political forum out of respect for others who do not believe as I do. Meanwhile, I am constantly harrassed on here because of my beliefs by christians, which usually include some kind of biblical verse, BTW. There is no such thing as the term *fair* when it comes to christianity. It comes with the idea of my way or no way. You want to raise cane about a bus sign with an athiest content, but it's okay for the rest of us to have to put up with all the christian crap that is EVERYWHERE. That's not compromise, it's not equality, it's not freedom of religion....it is pure and unadulterated abuse of power by christians. You guys scream foul play when it comes to any other advertisement besides your own, but we are just supposed to stand by and take what you dish out.....the perfect example being the catholic commercial, which not only pushes religion, but also pushes the christian ideology into politics. Give me a break.
Sorry Shelly, but the common thread
parental responsibility versus government interference. You folks can't have it both ways. I have no problem, big or otherwise, understanding these concepts, but you, on the other hand, need to take off those blinders. Government interference in responsible parenting applies to both situations in exactly the same context, that being one of expecting laws to act as the eyes, ears and voices of reason for parents on behalf of their children.
What's that you say? Parents don't have time to be with their children while in the library? Huh? If they don't, what makes you think the government sould be held responsible for this?
I'm not interested in straw issues. Rather, I want to see the constitutional ban on government censorship enforced with clenched teeth while parents stop whining and expecting government to do their jobs for them. Government censorship is a steep and slippery slope. I can't think of ANYTHING that poses more of a threat to our democracy than that and am happy to see a deputy AG nominee who understands that.
News flash, Shelly.
There are millions of people who believe in the concept of God and not all of them believe in the same God you claim to believe in. It may be "your" one and only true God, but you cannot speak for anyone else.
Knock yourself out, Shelly, but just remember
None of the people you are praying for gives a rats behind about it. Your prayers are self-serving and meaningless to those of us don't believe what you believe and would rather not be included in your little prayer fest!
Sorry to hear that, Shelly....I hate to see you not vote....
there will be third party candidates on the ballots. Check some of them out. Maybe that will offer you an alternative.
Okay...I think most of you have misunderstood the question (excluding Shelly) (sm)
I am not saying anything about christianity, christians, the Bible, Muslims or any other faith. What I am doing is pointing out the ridiculous idea that the republican party would paint someone as a Muslim while at the same time claiming he is a member of a Christian church. That's it. I'm questioning negative attacks that have been directed at Obama and have been repeated here on this board. Personally, as most of you know, I am an athiest, so I really don't care what religion the man is. I'm more interested in his ability to govern (which I happen to think will improve this country). However, as recent as TODAY (after the election) there are still people on this board going on about his religion. I don't think I can be any more clear that that.
You are driving them nuts with the truth, Shelly.
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I didn't see where Shelly has attacked people unless
they attacked her first, and then she tried to explain the first post in simple English.
This is the most I have posted on this board in the last 2 months but I just can't take all attacks against people just because they voted for the pubs. I said it yesterday, and I'll say it again today, STOP THE BASHING. IT DOESN'T GET YOU ANYWHERE. All it causes is hate.
P.S. Mrs. M is the one of the worse on here. I have never seen her post before today or yesterday (didn't look at the dates). I think she's just trying to stir the pot.
I did not make mistakes, Kendra/Shelly did
over and over and I was just trying to help because after all, we are all professionals... I thought
Amen, shelly! Not many are born with a good job or making a...
lot of money. Most of us worked real hard to get where we are. As did most small businesses. If they want to help those "lower income" folks, give them a JOB, not a handout. Help them stand up, don't hold them down. If Obama REALLY cared about them, THAT is what he would do. He brags that he had no help and look where HE is. They have the same shot HE did. They just need a shot of ambition, not a handout. Geez. lol.
Shelly just got called a *poor poodle*...ROFL....
Excuse me Shelly but aren't you the one who likes Palin ? bwaaahahahah sm
You speak volumes about your own brilliance, liking Bush and Palin. Ridiculous. Well YOU LOST AND EVEN THQT TWIT HASSELBECK IS BACKING OBAMA NOW. Time for you to fix your image a little and look patriotic.
Stop whining. The election is over.
Ridiculous. sm
Hey, aren't you guys worried about Rove anymore? 
Ridiculous...I think not
This is not the military they are talking about. This is everyday people who have skills that can be used to help in the nation-building, desk jobs, PR jobs, all that sort of thing. An over-50 overweight person most certainly could do these things, clerical, educational. In my neighborhood a 52-year-old national guard guy got called up for MILITARY duty so why would they not expect 50-somethings to lend whatever their professional abilities might be to lend a hand in desk job sort of work.
Am I going???? Are you nuts???
Of course not. I have fought against our occupation of Iraq from 2002 to this present day. I did not vote for Bush. I am just saying those of you that did, and those of you who just pretend everything is okay, this is your chance to show your true colors. I mean, after all, you are with the president or you're not (so he says).
We are not rebuilding anything in Iraq. They are on the verge of civil war. They can't put a constitution together and who in their right minds would expect them to be able to. You don't go from years of a monarchy to democracy overnight...and they are ending up with an Islamic government, sort of like...The Taliban!
Two simple questions.
What did my ______ die?
Are the Bush supporters, those who voted for him, are you going to join the civilian corps to support the cause you believe in?
That is ridiculous
Wow, that is a very scientific method, chosing who to vote or not to vote for because of their middle name. Wow. I may chose my next vote based on who is wearing my favorite color.
This is all so ridiculous, seriously.
Do you really think that the only reason Obama has said he feels family is off limits is to help his campaign? Do any of you really honestly think that? If so, then I do have pity for you to live in such a jaded world. He has children too and I can pretty much bet that he wouldn't want them attacked like that either.
It doesn't matter to me at all that SP daughter is pregnant and a teenager, everone makes mistakes. Period. It is not SP's fault this happened. No matter what you do or what you say when a child reaches a certain age they are going to make their own decisions and you cannot be there 24 hours a day.
I just have one question. Would any of you, as parents, put your child through this? Think hard and do some searching here. Don't just think about your political sides, because it doesn't matter if you are Ind., Rep, or Dem. If your daughter was 17 and pregnant, would you expose her to the public scrutiny? This is where my real problem with the whole thing is. It is not right that her daughter is going through this in the media, it should be private but we all know how the media, in all its forms, is today. SP didn't have to announce the pregnancy but it would have come out within the next few weeks or so regardless, she did the right thing by doing it in her words though and I am proud of that. But again, would you put your child through this. It is not bad enough that her daughter would have to worry about what people are going to say at school and in her home area, but now she has the world looking at her, talking about this - good or bad. Would you really put your child through that?
My question has nothing to do with birth control, abortion, etc. It is just a question, for me, of SP's judgment here. Would you put your child through all of this and for what? Your career or political aspiration?
My answer is no, I would not. Nothing is more important to me than my children, I'm sorry not even the VP job of this country. I don't care if your child says, "Mom, do it, I'll be okay." I would not and could put her through that.
Again, I am not saying SP is a bad mother and am not bashing her, I'm just saying IMO she used very poor judgment when she agreed to be the VP candidate. I would be saying this regardless of what party affiliation she has.
okay, this is ridiculous already
doesn't anybody have a shred of common decency left? Where the heck are you all coming up with this utter crap?
Isn't it ridiculous?
It is so ridiculous ... all the BS that flies around the web? And even more ridiculous that so many people believe it all. What the #^@%?!!
The whole flag pin thing is so juvenile and superficial too. Honestly, I don't see how politicians cannot view our citizens as a bunch of nitwits!
It's ridiculous and
childish and gets in the way of what the process is SUPPOSED to be!
There would be nothing wrong with a neutral panel analyzing their plans to the degree that they can to see if they work out numerically (as they always say the other's won't)
And to provide understanding into the issues voted on (since they are never about one thing but have a other crap slapped in with a main issue). Mainstream America would have a more realistic picture of who they are voting for.
Or perhaps they should just switch from mud slinging to Jello wrestling!
This guy is just ridiculous
So far he has lied about everything, talks about running for congress, and then stands up the one guy at a rally that gave him all the publicity (McCain). 
What you are saying is just ridiculous...nm
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Ridiculous!
Below is copied directly from the link. It doesn't talk about punishment of any kind for those who don't wish to participate. It DOES talk about rewards, though, for those who do wish to participate. It offers a choice. You don't have to participate in it if you're rich and can afford to send your kids to college, but why do you want to deny those who can't the opportunity to do so?
You're filling this board with fiction and calling it truth. THIS is the TRUE message of the link:
"Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free."
That is ridiculous.
If anything, his administration will return the rights that have been lost these last 8 years.
Ridiculous.
Every single word you utter. Do you actually know any lefties? You cannot begin to imagine how excited and energized the base is despite the pubs bets efforts to throw out their wet blankets. The progressives have always served the party as vigilent critical watchdogs. It is a necessary evil in ANY political party...the ability to be introspective, even self-deprecating at times...a lesson the pubs obviously have not yet learned the value of.
Oh, come on! This is ridiculous. You have gone off
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Ridiculous!
If Burris had not been appointed to fill Obama's senate seat, another Democrat would have been appointed, and the vote would have been exactly the same. So much for your silly conspiracy theory.
That is ridiculous.
My entire life has been devoted to midwifery and GYN/NICU/OB nursing, and you think that because I don't want to participate in abortions I should find another line of work? I've taken care of plenty of RESULTS of abortions gone wrong, in the form of babies who decided to take a breath after they were expelled or manually removed from their mothers' wombs. Does that count?
No it is not ridiculous!
You knew exactly what your job entailed when you signed up for it. If you are not willing to perform the requirements of your job, you should find another line of work.
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