That comment is very naive. sm
Posted By: ms on 2008-11-02
In Reply to: sorry - internet is forever - if it was there, it is still there somewhere - - Amanda
Things are deleted from the Internet all the time. I've even done it, had posted once on a medical site, and went and deleted what I posted a year later....the link was still there, but nothing will link to it.
Obama campaign/backers/DNC have been practicing obfuscation on a daily basis.
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Are you really that naive? SM
Cindy Sheehan wants Bush to bring the troops home...NOW. Oh, I forgot, the left doesn't care about the people left behind. We know this how? Can you say Vietnam?
maybe they let the naive
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I am not naive enough to think that this is
just dems. I know that there are a lot of people in our government who have found this loophole and that loophole and aren't paying what they should either. I personally think it wouldn't hurt for all of them to undergo a little investigation just to see who is paying up and who isn't, but that won't happen.
I do have to admit that I get tired of dems wanting to raise taxes when it is the rich that always have loopholes to get out of paying taxes. All that does is hurt the middle class and the lower class.
I personally think that we should get rid of all of these silly deductions and have a flat tax. You made X amount this year and you pay X amount in taxes. No loopholes.....no nothing....that is it....PERIOD.
Not naive at all
but criminally calculating in his agenda to *remake* america in his own image. everything he does (especially where it appears he has not considered the consequences) is a move toward fulfilling this agenda.
he was not naive in releasing the initial memos on gitmo detainee interrogation. these made the previous administration and national security agencies look bad. his decision not to release further details came about because he now realizes how this would boomerang back on him as president, not out of national security concerns.
Do you think it is just the dems? That is a little naive - nm
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Another thing. And call me naive (sp), but sm
I think there is a big difference in liberal and Democrat. I mean, what happened to the Democrats of long ago? In my neighborhood I have a wonderful old-lady friend who is in her 80s who is the most godliest woman I know. She is just amazing. She said she was born a Democrat and will die a Democrat. A lot of her friends are the same age and they vote Democrat because they are still living ithe days of Kennedy and the "good ole Democrats." You know, the Zell Miller type of Democrat.
I think that liberalism is an extreme sect all on its own. I don't view my neighbor as liberal at all, in fact more conservative if anything, yet she votes Democrat. These are the ones whom I believe are Christians and believe in God, but they are not liberals.
The liberals I knew were the Yale, Harvard or Brown University liberals which my Democratic friend is not.
In fact, if you ask my friend she is adamantly against abortion and homosexual marriage.
If the old Democratic party would return I would probably switch to that party, but you will never see me voting for the liberals who are in office today. Big difference. I think JFK is turning over in his grave over what has happened to his party.
I am always amazed at how naive some people are....s/m
He's doing this to enable his admistration, and Congress, the ability to take this country as far and hard to the left, and as fast as he possibly can.
He has a purpose, and it's not for the good welfare of our country.
It's to put our entire country "ON" welfare, and grow the government. This is a major takeover, and you're right about one thing.
He's as transparent as glass to the rest of us.
And we don't want what he's about to bring us to, to our knees with government control over every aspect of our lives.
At least I have the comfort of knowing I didn't vote for him.
They are this naive. That is the scariest part.
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Obama is criminally naive.
"Upholding our values will protect us from terrorism."
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.bd0713f4765981d1edbe5b522ce08354.3e1&show_article=1
Hello? Wake up, you dipwad. It is precisely our values that terrorists hate.
Umm...and even if they didn't, please explain just who was being waterboarded prior to 9/11, Mr. Obama? Or, putting it more precisely (since we know now from the 9/11 Commission that the attack on that day was in the making long before Bush even took office), just which of the numerous American values that Clinton violated was it that led to that event? Was it the mess on the dress perhaps? Or do ya think it might have been failing to get after bin Laden when he had the chance? Huh?
Your reasoning abilities are so pathetic that they amount to a crime against your office, in fact. You obviously do not know the first thing about either terrorists or terrorism - or else you think we don't.
Impeach Obama now. He is utterly unfit to serve.
your view is naive, short-sighted and simplistic
I don't want to get caught up in a debate here. Americans can buy whatever they want. You are right. But then when your job is gone, don't complain about it because you fed the problem instead of solving it. If you don't support American companies, you are supporting some other economy instead of your own. How can the American economy ever survive if Americans do not support it? There is a bigger picture here, and I believe you are missing it. The failure of the automakers would affect every other business and service in this country, including ours, by a ripple effect. So when you lose your job because the number of hospital and physician visits is reduced since none of them has insurance anymore and no one can afford medical care anymore, remember what you said here. If they fail, we all will lose from it.
Obama is criminally naive. "Upholding our values
Umm...and just who was being waterboarded prior to 9/11, Mr. Obama? Or, putting it more precisely, we know now from the 9/11 Commission that the attack on that day was in the making long before Bush even took office. So which of the numerous values that Clinton violated was it that led to that event?
Pathetic reasoning - a crime against your office, in fact. You obviously do not know the first thing about either terrorists or terrorism - or else you think we don't.
Impeach Obama now. Unfit to serve.
Obama is criminally naive. "Upholding our values
Umm...and just who was being waterboarded prior to 9/11, Mr. Obama? Or, putting it more precisely, we know now from the 9/11 Commission that the attack on that day was in the making long before Bush even took office. So which of the numerous values that Clinton violated was it that led to that event?
Pathetic reasoning - a crime against your office, in fact. You obviously do not know the first thing about either terrorists or terrorism - or else you think we don't.
Impeach Obama now. He is utterly unfit to serve.
You lefties are so naive. Obama has plans for worse for our nation.
I throw it right back at you: Blind, in denial, naive, conservative pub...nm
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Comment on Bush comment
I heard Bush this morning saying that no one predicted or knew that the New Orleans levees would give way. Well, that is not true. This was widely predicted by engineers and meteologists. The engineers predicted it for years if/when a major hurricaine hit, as well as engineers and meteorologists predicting this 1-2 days before Katrina. I even told my boyfriend last Sunday night that they were predicting some levees would break, that New Orleans would be in water the same depth as Lake Pontchartrain and that thousands could die. Gee, guess I should be a White House advisor.
My other gripe is that this federal response seems a bit slow. Like maybe Monday afternoon things should have been put into motion instead of......Thursday? But then, I'm sure not an expert.
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Why did you choose the Hilter comparison?
Here is what I saw in Hitler:
1. Megalomania - yes, possibly in Bush.
2. Skillful use of the propaganda of hate to unite a nation and incite a lust for war. Blaming of select ethnic group for Germany's woes -- yes, I see some similarity there, but Bush seems more like "oops, sorry I accidentlly killed you" to the Iraquis (Islam nations) rather than "I will place you in concentration camps until you are all exterminated."
3. Hitler was mentally ill but still capable of great, inspirational speeches and inspiring confidence in the masses -- Bush is kind of dopey and I'm not sure who he inspires, really, if much of anyone.
4. Hitler seemed to have an agenda to exterminate -- as mentioned, I don't see that in Bush.
Well, I had fun with this. WWII is an area that I know quite a bit about.
Comment
Did gt actually say there were NO socialist Jews? I took her to mean that Jews in general should not be categorized as socialists. There are probably socialist Irish, socialist Catholics, socialist African-Americans....but that doesn't mean you label the entire ethnic group as such. Common sense would dictate this. Just as I keep saying, you cannot label all liberals or all democrats as having the same ideals and belief systems. You seem to keep trying to put square pegs in round holes here....or, as also has been mentioned...thinking only in black and white when the world and all its people are shades of gray. It makes me very sad to see this and I end up feeling hopeless about the future of our country and of the world.
As far as Chomsky, I haven't read tons of his writing but what I did read a few years ago I very much liked. Could it be a case of you taking some things he wrote out of context? Or perhaps some things he wrote were more fiery or radical than you were comfortable with? Perhaps you didn't survey his writings as a whole and only picked out a few you didn't like. When you make an accusation as you did, please provide examples to back up your comments.
Your comment...
I think I do your understand your point....basically you are saying his comment was taken out of context? It did seem that what I read of this quote was more that he was careless in his comments - they touched a nerve, as I said. It seemed he was looking at a cultural problem from a tongue-in-cheek statistical line of reasoning, and perhaps spoke before thinking. At least, I HOPE that's all it was. I have not read this all that carefully, I must admit. I also admit I know NOTHING about him personally or his past.
Thanks for your intelligent commentary.
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Obviously your beliefs bring you solace and comfort and that is a benefit that religion offers, in my opinion, and that is very good if it helps you.
However, perhaps you should not generalize. I was a hospice worker as well as watching my mother die from cancer. She was a life-long agnostic and I don't believe it ever even crossed her mind to call out to Jesus or Zeus or any other deity. She made the most graceful exit from this world I have ever seen and was at peace with that process.
I do agree though that in times of extreme stress many folks may want to enlist the aid of a higher power, but please don't assume that we all turn to Jesus.
Just a comment
Does this apply to anyone who helps a specific region? That would certainly limit a lot of programs that target specific groups of the poor. So when President Johnson launched his War on Poverty targeting Appalachia he should have been required to live there? I am just so happy to see interest and help provided for the most downtrodden sectors of our society (as well as worldwide) that I can see no good reason to require that the folks contributing have to change their place of residence.
Had to comment
The story about your prescriptions rings so true! My insurance company sends me these little papers after every x-ray, lab test, etc. that outlines what I paid, what they paid, and whether or not the price was reduced. I had blood tests that I was initially told cost $1,150. (I almost passed out!) After a few months of arguing with the insurance company and the lab, I get one of these little papers that says my $1,150 bill was knocked down to $150 - without my insurance paying anything. The lab went ahead and reduced the price since my insurance was obviously not going to pay for it. I've had this done with hospital bills, too. I just love looking at those numbers. Someone is making a HUGE profit somewhere for them to be able to cut the price down that much. Kinda like when I worked in retail and I got to see the difference between what the store paid to the manufacturer and what the price tag said. Sometimes I'd almost rather not know...
Just another comment
I've been watching all stations of the news. I'm not voting for Obama. I don't trust him. I also don't trust McCain and not voting for him. I'm sure I will write in someone's name. With that said I have seen no "love fest" with Obama (watch CNN, MSNBC, and FOX). I'm not seeing this "love fest", however it was so obvious with Clinton. It was so obvious and so nauseating that I always had a bucket nearby to retch in.
As for McCain..who is saying that he is supposed to "hide" the fact that he was tortured. I've never heard that on any station. However, McCain keeps playing it over and over and over. This is not the Vietnam war and I don't care what anyone says...just because he was tortured doesn't make him qualified to be President. What makes some qualified is having your "faculties" together. Know what country you are talking about and know what's going on with the countries. DH and I were looking at each other funny when he's talking about Iran and says the Israeli people and vice versa. He doesn't know where the Taliban are, and for sure he has no idea or plans to get this country back on its feet. He is a war mongerer and that's all he's planning for. If its not one country he'll start up a war somewhere else. It's what he thrives on.
As for September 11th - the truth will come out one day and people will be shocked and in denial.
First of all, i appreciate very much your comment...
about her daughter.
That being said...there are women in high places who have young children. I do not think that precludes Sarah Palin from serving. She has been managing as governor, including firing the state chef because she wanted to cook for her own kids.
JFK had young children. Both John and Caroline were very young. Jackie did a fine job raising them. They were/are fine young people.
the difference is that Sarah is VP, not president, and her husband will be taking a larger role. There are a lot of husbands who stay at home more to take care of children because of the wife's career. I don't remember how old amy carter was...13 maybe?
At any rate, that is not an issue for me. Those children seem happy and well adjusted after their mom being a mayor and then a governor, and I have no reason to believe they will suffer if she is VP.
I think that just brings her closer to understanding career women, who can have both without excluding the other. I think that makes her closer to mothers, period. She understands.
But that is just my opinion...and you are certainly entitled to yours.
Just a comment
Having offspring is not the only reason to get married as your post suggests (not saying it says that, just saying it "suggests" that). You said "If same-gender marriage was to be then where would there be offspring". There are a lot of man/women couples who cannot have children (like me), should that have stopped us from getting married? Loving a person and wanting to spend the rest of your life with them and share the same rights every other human being get to have should be the basis for a marriage. Just leave the offspring to couples who can have kids. The world will still be fruitful and multiple.
Well, my comment on that is ---
If you don't believe in abortion and you don't believe in gay marriage, then don't get an abortion and don't get married to a gay person, and you will still get to pay less taxes!
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Comment
(Basically, Russia wants to be able to trust the USA again but is deploying "short-range missiles near Poland to counter U.S. military plans in Eastern Europe" in response to Bush's missile placement in Poland and the Czech Republic.)
From:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081105/ap_on_re_eu/eu_russia_medvedev
After the speech, the Kremlin announced Medvedev had congratulated Obama for winning the U.S. presidency, saying in a telegram he was "counting on a constructive dialogue with you on the basis of trust and taking each other's interests into account."
So, no comment on JTP?
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I think we both know better so why should your comment
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Thanks. I appreciate this comment.
I was beginning to think I was hallucinating hate speech after hours and hours of defending the other side of the coin. Guess that means I should pack it in for the night. After all, the Israelis will still be attacking Gaza in the morning and I guess it wouldn't hurt to say a few prayers, begging for mercy and hoping the gound invasion will not take place.
My comment is to anyone
who lived that carefree, don't worry about tomorrow attitude that got them in the situation they are in now. Who in their right mind would agree to an interest-only mortgage, an ARM, or any other harebrained idea to own a home. I am more irritated with the ones who knew they made $50,000 a year and bought a $300,000 home and can now plead stupid and irresponsible and the gov't will bend over backwards to help them out. I am sick and tired of my money going to those who have no clue as to how to manage money, can't better themselves without the gov't helping out, and just plain expect someone else to pay for their mistakes. Believe me, I am tender hearted, feel for the children, etc, I don't want to see anyone lose their home but for cryin' out loud, take some responsibility and quit blaming the lenders; they did not FORCE people to buy homes. Sure, they made an attractive offer, but that does not preclude common sense going right out the window just because you want something. Shelter is a right; owning a home is a privilege when you can afford it.
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I'll take the ignorant comment
as a compliment....believe or not I do read a lot and from different perspectives. What people like you can't stand is that some people don't take the same perspective as you. If you want to live in a doom and gloom and defeatest mindset go ahead...you are certainly free to do so, but calling me ignorant for my perspective on the whole situation shows that you cannot accept other's views on the whole subject. Again, where's the tolerance and understanding? 
Dont comment, please
A Xtian, if he/she does not want to look like a fool, should not comment on Israel.
Okay, one last comment (for the time being)
When I spoke of hijacked I meant:
1. I have been banned at times from the Conservative board for comments I've made which seemed pretty tame in retrospect. How many of you conservatives have been banned on the liberal board? I'll bet none, but hope I'm wrong.
2. The conservative board have reminded the liberals posting on it REPEATEDLY that it is their board, no bashing allowed and to go back to their own board - often in a very nasty fashion. Fair enough, but the same rules are NOT followed by the conservatives posting on the liberal board and that is definitely not playing fair and creates a double-standard.
3. It does make me happy to see conservatives posting on this board but I do not enjoy the bashing and the double-standard (see point #2) that I see going on. Worst of all, it turns me into a basher at times, too, out of frustration!!
That's it, didn't mean to start a civil war or anything.
I have learned SO much from both conservative and liberal posts and hope it continues.
Additional comment on this.
Open the website listed and take a look at ALL THE OFFERS. It is WONDERFUL. Some groups are accepting over 1000 people. It will make you feel like people really do CARE and they are all over the country.
Oh yeah, and what about the *pot* comment at the very end
Thought you didn't smoke pot gt? You were all up in arms about that last week So which is it, you do or you don't?
Nuevo California state motto---what grows in Nuevo California stays in California! 
Here is the comment I was talking about....
it was NOT a skit. She has done this twice. The time I am talking about, she said this: ...Rock bottom came when [Randi Rhodes] compared Bush and his family to the Corleones in the “Godfather” saga. “Like Fredo, somebody ought to take him out fishing and phuw,” she said, imitating the sound of gunfire.
THIS is the one she apologized for: The announcer said: “A spoiled child is telling us our Social Security isn’t safe anymore, so he is going to fix it for us. Well, here’s your answer, you ungrateful whelp: [audio sound of four gunshots being fired.] Just try it, you little bastard. [audio of gun being cocked].”
Anyone who wants to complain about Ann Coulter should try a little Randi.
If she did it twice, I have no doubt of her intent, no matter how many times she *apologizes.
Just to keep it REAL.
I guess my comment to that would be
Not everyone CHOOSES not to have insurance. Take my father for example - He worked in construction. He had a heart attack this past year. This past month, he was laid off. He will not be able to get private health insurance because of his heart attack. Not all people do not have insurance because they don't want to. Some cannot afford it. Others have it, but it is dependent on their full-time employment. People are getting laid off left and right down here. Those people will now be without insurance until they can find another full-time job. Yes, I do realize that there is Cobra, but the premiums for that are astronomical. How is a person without a job supposed to pay $800 a month for health insurance (for just one person)?
The other issue, is the one I bring up for my situation. I have a pre-existing condition. I cannot get private heatlh insurance. I HAVE to work full-time to keep this insurance. I have only two options - work full time or not work at all and get Medicaid. And yes, I had insurance when I was initially diagnosed, but I was covered under my mother's health insurance because I was in school and under 25. At that point, I got very sick and was not able to get a full-time job to cover the gap in coverage. When I tried to apply, I was denied. When I finally was able to work full-time, I had to pay for 12 months of insurance during which time NOTHING was covered. So, not only did I pay the $300 insurance premiums, but I still have a few thousand dollars in medical bills.
My main point was that the poster above mentioned free enterprise and letting insurance companies have free reign. I was just trying to explain why that is a horrible idea because insurance companies are a business and they only care about $. They of course will choose not to cover someone with an illness. SOME government control over the situation I feel is necessary.
Just had one comment to make...
I agree that we should have stuck with Bin Laden until we caught him, but here is the thing. Bin Laden isn't doing the fighting. He is sending his people to do all the ugly work while he hides and is well protected. The only way for us to win the war on terrorism is if the people in these countries fight themselves against the terrorists. If they stand up and say....I've had enough.....it will be a lot harder for the terrorists to do what they are doing. JMO though. We can't make them stand up to them though and I can't really blame them because I'd be terrified if I were them too, but that is the only way it will stop.
I think what she meant by the last comment - sm
was that now McCain has nothing to say about Obama's lack of experience because Palin doesn't have much either. I didn't take it necessarily as a bash.
How can someone be pro-life and pro-death penalty? A life is a life right? Most of the pro-lifers I know, have listened to have made comments about God's the only one who can take a life, well if that is someone's stand how can you be pro-death penalty. I'm not saying that that is her reasoning, God, but just a question.
I'm all for cleaning up gov't too, including your party, but isn't what she is under investigation for a bit of gov't corruption too with the whole ex-BIL incident. I read that somewhere too about firing the guy because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex.
I don't know if this is a good comment or not
Am confused. If its good, thank you. Still don't know what it means.
If its bad I guess I don't care then because I still don't know what it means.
obama's comment
He was asked about press inquiries into candidate's pasts. He chuckled and said that this has been happening to him over 18 months and repubs are complaining after only 4 days.
I agreed with your comment....sm
about thinking that the people that are responsible for all this, should pay for it. Like all the people who walked away with millions from these institutions, as well as running them into the ground. But how could they do that?
I hate the fact that the taxpayers will have to pay for it. Did you hear that Nancy Pelosi and the democrats have added something like a 50 million dollar social package to this bill? So their little socialist agenda will be met, and make us pay even more.
I just don't get it sometimes....it goes on and on and on.....
Thanks for the link. I'll go read it later on my break.
see inside for the comment:
“You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
That is an elitist statement. Like he has any clue what the "flyover" Americans think or feel. It was condescending and elitist and he was playing to the condescending and elitist crowd he was talking to in San Francisco.
I did not say he was an elitist, but he certainly made an elitist comment. That would lead one to believe either he is an elitist and believes what he said (which I tend to think is true) or he does not real feel that way and just lied through his teeth playing to his audience. Either way is not flattering.
Oh come on....that wet t-shirt comment was bad....
she is a sitting governor. She does have executive experience. The economy in Alaska is booming and she has an 85% approval rating. Neither Obama nor Biden have that kind of approval rating. You give her absolutely no credit, and that is not real open-minded of you, now is it?
Put this in perspective. Obama has been running for President, in the spotlight, for 18 months. She has been doing it what, a month now, if that? Obama just this month sat down with a reporter who is not in the tank for him (O'Reilly). He would not talk to Fox before that. You KNOW that the mainstream press does not ask him the hard questions, about Ayers, socialism, etc. He has only sat down with "friendlies." He has steadfastedly refused to join McCain at town hall meetings where the questions can't be screened. He is running for the #1 spot and he is just as shielded as the #2 on the other ticket.
Come on....let's be fair about this.
Not a Baptist, so can't comment with any....
authority....other than I do know several folks who are Baptists and they drink beer. What I do know is there are several different types of Baptists...which type do you think won't like that description?
Of course. Were I addressing the comment
for starters, we wouldn't be buried under the slimey mud discussing "anal" We'd be informed and legitimate discourse on pertinent issues.
sorry, this goes under the palin SNL comment.nm
hate it when that happens
Not sure if I understand your comment of ....sm
"not looking good for her."
Only those that hate her and McCain think things are not looking good for her.
The rest of us could care less what SNL does, as well as the media that trashes her still, on a constant, daily basis, no matter what she says or does.
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