That's why polls deserve little to no attention
Posted By: at this point. FMFM is where it's at. nm on 2008-09-08
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nice try. I don't pay attention to the polls....nm
If you believe in polls good for you - The King of Polls said
So the polls only poll a few small areas with certain demographics. You trust that. Sure maybe they only poll Hollyweird and the other liberal cities. They also reflect all the phone voter registrations, so maybe to your cat and cartoon characters it matters that Obama is ahead. Me - I'll wait for election day to find out the truth about who is ahead in the race. I've said it before and I'll say it again (and glad to know Mr. Rassmusin backs me up on this one) - polls do not matter and do not reflect a real vision of who is ahead in the race.
The polls that supply that electoral map are just that....polls...sm
Polls mean less than nothing to me. Polls intimidate and mislead the voters, in my opinion. Thanks for asking.
You might not deserve him, but I do, and so...sm
do millions of other Americans, and we will vote for him, and he will win!
You obamamatrons will deserve what you get.
You don't deserve a dignified response. nm
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The rich dont deserve a tax cut? They already pay a
nm
Right, Obama does not deserve to be a candidate
nm
Doesn't even deserve an answer
Blaming McCain and Palin for this is idiotic.
If you don't think our troops deserve BODY ARMOR
provided by the President who is all too eager to see them die but never had the guts to put is own life on the line for his country, then YOU are the one who doesn't care about our troops.
If I'm a joke, you're a disgrace and a fraud.
Yes, I think ALL kids deserve affordable healthcare.
I know a little 5-year-old boy with a cancerous brain tumor. His family owns a local construction company and makes decent money, maybe even the $80,000 you speak of. They still have had to have 2 fundraisers just to cover costs associated with saving this precious little boy's life, and they have "decent insurance."
So yes, I think ALL FAMILIES, regardless of income, should have access to more affordable insurance. What happens if one of the parents becomes unemployed? They lose their healthcare coverage. I do not like the fact that most insurance is covered through your employer. Many people have to work the whole time they are fighting cancer or other diseases for fear of losing their health insurance. Even people making $80,000 per year can drown in medical bills that total in the hundreds of thousands, so I don't think their children should be excluded from CHIP healthcare either. People making $80,000 would not get on the program for free, but at a much more reasonable cost than most insurance companies would charge.
When I say I think ALL children in the USA should have free or affordable healthcare, I mean ALL children, rich and poor.
While she does deserve our thoughts and prayers, I dare say...
some will say she deserves as much respect as the left showed to Mrs. Palin's handicapped child and pregnant daughter.
911 and Katrina victims don't deserve compassion?
Wow....Oh that's right...he's on Fixed Noise. That means he must be the perfect pub. Get a grip. The man's a radical right winger just like the rest of the crew over there.
911 and Katrina victims don't deserve compassion?
Wow....Oh that's right...he's on Fixed Noise. That means he must be the perfect pub. Get a grip. The man's a radical right winger just like the rest of the crew over there, which is the why, by the way, he got kicked off CNN. Hopefully Lou Dobbs will be next.
Agree to disagree. I don't think we deserve Barack Obama...
and with his same stances on things, I wouldn't vote for him, I don't care what party he represented. It is not about party for me. It is about the stand of the man. And for me it is nobama, no way, no how...no matter what ticket he is running on.
He didn't deserve the Nobel Peace Prize
"What do you have against clean environment, alternative energy, jobs creation and a global warming plan?"
I don't have anything against a clean environment, alternative energy or job creation. I don't, however, buy into the global warming hype, especially when it's pushed as hard algore is trying to sell it because he is a politician and I don't trust him anymore than I trust the rest of them. There HAD to have been someone more worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize than that clown. (I'll bet he traded some of his carbon credits for votes.)
I agree. Trolls dont even deserve a response.
nm
Exactly right, we all deserve human rights, ALL OF GOD'S CHILDREN, MUSLIM, WHITE, RACIST, REPUB,
nm
try to pay attention okay?
You said, Truman and Kennedy and even Johnson were real Democrats, not like those of today. And I said the same holds true for republicans. I was answering your post to show you it goes both ways. Got it now?
Take a look at these polls.sm
Just to give you an idea, take Denver's Rocky Mountain News poll (the state is very conservative) below, and look at the results. Almost every poll I have seen shows large percentages of Americans think the same way as the theorists.
http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/denver/rockytalklive/archives/2006/08/the_government_and_911_2.html#more
Here is another one from Ed Schultz at Air America with a 50/50 split.
http://www.wegoted.com/index.asp
Polls
Make that alter-ego. Changing names according to post content = literary license. I'm sure you've heard of it before, being so intimately acquainted with the literary world and all. Makes things a bit more intriguing. Enables one to dial back rabid mad-dog rhetoric.
Case in point. You don't launch into your "5-paragraph volleys" unless you think you are talking to GT. As BW, I enjoy the luxury of not having to drag out an entire arsenal of put-downs just to make myself understood, since you can’t quite figure out who you are talking to. Usually I am pretty good about revealing the aliases eventually, but not always. That is another prerogative of free speech.
BTW, when you lift content and ideas from somebody else's post, it's customary to use quotes. Disciple? Shades of the gospel according to Saint Hannity. Another suggestion would be that when you plagiarize thought or content, at least be careful not to put it into responses addressed to the original author.
Yes, Congress has a lower rating than Bush. He wields a powerful weapon that empowers him to obstruct, stall and reverse any sort of viable legislative initiatives. It's called the veto pen. In this last session, he has used it 8 times but Congress has managed to override him on 4 of those vetoes. They at have at least shown more ability than Bush to cross the aisle and engage themselves in effective bipartisan initiatives and convince them to vote against their fearless leader.
You and the pubs make no excuses for being too inept at reaching consensus (a decidedly American concept). Obstruction, stalling and reversals are akin to dodges, deceive and deflections. They are the strategies used by petty dictators and their parties in a setting of “might makes right,” that divide and conquer approach, rather than taking the high road and exerting the effort or harboring the desire to create a representative government body. Bipartisanship has never been his forte anyway. No surprise there.
Polls are interesting, but not terribly reliable, given the problems that arise when you start to consider the source, sift through bias, skewing and the like. More than likely, the polls offer the most reliable reflection of public opinion would be the approval ratings of the candidates, not that status quo that is destined to be decimated come November. Most dems are just about as frustrated with the whole mess as you are. On that we can agree. But my take on approval ratings, at least in terms the current state of affairs in Congress and the executive branch, is that the low numbers reflect a much more deep-seated frustration and anger toward being lied to about the war and the incalculable costs in terms of human life as well as tax dollars, the state of the economy and the perception that nobody anywhere is doing anything, typical of a lame duck in a campaign year. The nation as a whole is in a really bad mood, to be sure. They simply don't approve of anything, at the moment.
More than likely, this will play itself with a major overhaul on both sides of the aisle. Who comes out on top in Congress in terms of numbers is anybody’s guess.
just your attention
she wants your ATTENTION good or bad, happy or sad, so desperately lonely so desperately lonely.
Polls are even at 42%
per a CBS poll taken on Wednesday, so this does not include Palin's speech or McCain's acceptance speech.
Polls & More
Remember, this is the party that prides itself on being "tolerant." Yeah, sure. How tolerant have they been of anything a conservative has to say? This why they lie in wait here, so the few times I even bother to take the time (more like waste it) to post something, I try to make the subject line not stand out as a "right-winger" view.
This board is no better than DailyKos, HuffingtonPost, etc. Go to those sites and see how well the libs behave. I look at this forum very seldom now after seeing what the bulk of my industry thinks and how totally nasty they behave. They make having a cat fight look like a tea party.
While polls mean almost nothing to me, Rasmussen is a very reputable one. Below is from Media Resarch Center (excellent; Bret Bozell, Libertarian). Included in the article are links for a great deal of info for anyone interested. Nasty posts, etc. mean nothing to me, so do as you please. I've made my pitstop here for the day (or week), and see that each time I look here it's only gotten more nasty.
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questioned if the comment "insults...everyone's intelligence?"
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How much do you believe polls?
Yahoo had some info on the Rasumussen Polls and I went to their website to check it out: www.rasmussenreports.com
They have an electoral college page that shows the current "vote" at 248-163 in favor of Obama. I'm going to have to do some research and see how accurate polls were in previous presidential elections. They have it broken down by state and it is pretty interesting, if numbers are your thing!
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/election_2008_electoral_college_update
For all who believe in polls
I don't believe in polls but a lot of posters like to use them to try to make some sort of point....
Today's Gallup poll (one of the most trusted) - Obama 49, McCain 47 -
Like I say....way to close to predict a winner. I also heard some students after last nights debate that said they were still undecided said if they had to vote right now they'd choose McCain. Goes to show not every single person/young person voting Obama.
polls
Thanks, it is
49.5 for Obama
42.7 for McCain.
Obama is 6.8 points ahead.
pay attention.......... NDC
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You need to pay attention
Earlier this year, Obama HAS voted to raise taxes on the middle class. The democrats squawk on about raising taxes on the rich but the democrats believe the middle class ARE the rich. WHere have you been? Under a rock?
Obama and Clinton voted to raise taxes on the MIDDLE CLASS....a 3 TRILLION DOLLAR TAX BLUEPRINT...where the democrats were throwing the tax thing out there to see if they could get enough votes on their little UNDER THE TABLE agenda. Under this any individual making over 31K and couples making more than 63K would be TAXED TAXED TAXED!!
Oh how you know only what you want to know!!
You really don't pay attention to what O is doing
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Well...if you would pay attention
they have blacked out the information that they got in those memos for national security reasons. You know....I would be curious to see what you would say if you found out that your life was actually one of the ones saved by "torturing" terrorists.
As far as I'm concerned, you behead Americans that you capture, than the people we capture of yours can be subjected to anything we want and to he!! with you.....but that is just me.
I'm trying to pay attention but
The Jordan Times has his whole speech written up and I don't see those words there.
I did see some very interesting things, though, when he talked about Islam, religion, Muslins, etc.
http://www.jordantimes.com/?news=17273
If you had an attention span, you'd know.
Well, actually there are polls to confirm this
I don't believe the word "sick" was part of the poll but it comes pretty darn close to the majority of America's current view of this administration and this war.
These polls are so fickle.
Up and down, up and down.
I just don't know if he can stand the heat. I have so far not been impressed with Obama. Right now it seems that people are using him against a Hillary vote and not necessarily for anything he says or stands for. Is it just me, or does the man lack conviction or passion of any kind? He doesn't ever really say anything of substance and not very good at defending what positions he has taken a stand on. I'm not sure if I want someone of so little experience as President.
This is how I would like to see it play out: HIllary elected and breaks some of the ice by implanting some changes followed up by either Edwards or Obama at the next election to implement more changes. I say this because I believe people inherently don't like change and they especially don't like fast change. So if Obama or Edwards were to beat out Hillary and try to implement such sweeping changes, I don't think those changes could sustain themselves. Obama doesn't strike me as being very forceful and may buckle, and Edwards comes across as too forceful and I think would have trouble during their administrations amongst their peers.
I don't put much stock in polls....
however, McCain is the first to break the 50% mark. And I trust Gallup and rasmussen more than I trust Fox polls, CNN polls or other media outlet polls. Although CBS did show McCain with a lead too. Still, it is encouraging, and a pretty big whoop...lol
right, Sam. The nutcases who want attention.
nm
If polls are samples of what is to come...
that is very good for McCain. Still ahead in the popular vote and making big gains in swing states. So...great. If polls are a sample of what is to come...it is good news for McCain.
Polls as of today....
Gallup:
Gallup Daily: McCain 47%, Obama 45%
McCain retains a three-point advantage for the third straight day, 50% to 47% (see recent daily results).
Real Clear Politics
RCP Average 09/05 - 09/13 -- McCain 47.5 Obama 45.2 McCain +2.3
McCain has also diminished Obama's lead in many of the "swing states" and is even within 2 points in Pennsylvania, which is unheard of. Pennsylvania nearly always goes democratic. McCain leads in Ohio. He has gone into the lead in New Mexico and Nevada. That has been steady for several days now.
All that being said...the polls said Kerry should have won many states handily...but he didn't. Polls can be very misleading. We won't know until election night...although this is the first time in how long that a Republican was leading in the polls at this point?
It is a very interesting campaign, that's for darned sure.
Polls are usually wrong. I don't put much
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latest polls
SP sinking . . . losing her "oh look at the shiny new object" diversionary value. Obama on the upswing . . . and these were before the latest financial fiasco which McCain and Gramm had a hand in by deregulating financial institutions.
latest polls
Obama up in swing states FL and PA due to financial crisis.
Polls don't mean didly
Unless you only keep track of them when your candidate is up. However, don't know where you got this poll, because the one I saw today said FL is very tight with McCain leading by 4%. They also added not to get to comfortable with that because polls change on an hourly basis. But in all the polls they put up there McCain was ahead by at least 4 points or more in most of the states. But like I say, polls are polls and they don't mean diddly.
If your going to go by polls then use more than just the ones that favors
As of today - Taken from polling websites and CNN
Gallup -
Obama 47, McCain 44
Rassmussen -
Obama 38, McCain 58
Battleground Tracking - Obama 46, McCain 48
American Research Group - Obama 41, McCain 53
In Ohio CNN poll gives McCain a 3 point lead (48-45)
In NC McCain has a 10-point lead
In Indiana McCain has a 6 point lead
Wisconsin has voted for dems in the last four elections, this time Obama only has a 3 point lead
My point is whether McCain or Obama is ahead it doesn't mean diddly and by posting only the polls which favor your candidate while ruling out the others is just another spread of propaganda and does not validate your claims.
Too bad you didn't pay attention.
The bill failed because 90% of Americans were not behind it. The switchboards in the House and Senate were lit up like Christmas trees with people phoning in to encourage their elected officials to kill the bill. The Democrates did not even support the bill, and they had more than enough votes to accomplish that if they wanted.
I'm not surprised you think Bill Maher is funny. He replaced his brain with his anus ages ago and nobody seemed to notice. But, hey, he sure looked swell on that episode of Murder She Wrote. Yeah, he's the go-to guy for unbiased political commentary.
Polls mean nothing. Don't trust them. - sm
Polls have always been used by the media to sway people to vote one way or the other. I have no idea how they can even count them as reputible. The real poll is when people vote and I have never heard anyone say that they are voting a certain way because of the polls. What we are hearing on the news is made up to fit whichever news station you ware watching and from what I see and read on the internet the polls change hourly.
Pay close attention to what's NOT being said
This is a big story because imagine if that had happened to another presidential or vice-presidential candidate, that members of their follow church members were murdered in seperate killings.
Not even a liberal journalist can find ONE time Obama spoke about this while he was in that church. He has NEVER demanded more be done to find the killers. It's more like out of sight, out of mind.
Remember Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian leader.....he says there are NO gays in his country. Right!!
Since Obama is from a strong Muslim background, just makes me wonder what his true feelings are on this matter.
No, I just pay attention to character, not
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I'll believe polls when
I see how many illegals are in them.
I too do not put much faith in polls.
Did these polls have John Kerry ahead at this time during the last election. They also showed the Nixon was ahead of Kennedy. We will find out when we find out. Just go vote for who you think is best and hope for the best.
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