That's very true; however, kind of ironic
Posted By: voteinde on 2008-11-19
In Reply to: No reason for anyone to eat crow. - Chele
how some wouldn't vote for McCain because of his ties with Bush, but now, here come the Clintons. So much for change!
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LOL...that is kind of ironic...(sm)
One thing I have noticed though is that after EVERY administration (dem or pub) we always find out that things are always worse than portrayed. That's one thing I like about Obama's idea of transparency in gov. I doubt it will be perfect, but I think it might be the beginning of gov accountability that we haven't seen before.
Have you been to whitehouse.gov yet? Pretty awesome. It shows everything from his agenda with explanations to the actual executive orders he does. I'm sure some will say it's slanted in favor of Obama, but I think it would be hard to dispute when they are showing the actual documents he signs.
And isn't it ironic that the ones
who staunchly defend this lying idiot president when he doesn't play by the rules when it comes toobeying the law and honoring the Constitution are the same ones who refuse to play by the monitor's rules on this board?
What is ironic
It's ironic that a country that was originally based on freedoms as well as freedom of religious persecution, and as a place for a mix of cultures....has become so incredibly shallow and dopey as to condemn someone because of their middle name. It is astounding. You really should be addressing your bigotry and animosity toward Obama's mother (who is dead) as this was totally her deicision, NOT HIS.
How ironic about the AMA.
I read somewhere not too long ago, and please forgive me, I can't remember where, that the AMA lobbied against reform during someone else's push for it. I'll have to do some digging on exactly who and the specifics, but I think it is rather ironic that they are now jumping in the fight regardless of how big a role they eventually play.
I just don't think that mandating people to buy insurance or forcing employers to provide it for their employees is the answer either. I like the buy-in to Medicare idea which is part of Edwards plan (I think Obama's too for that matter).
Most people are grossly under insured as it is. I have decent coverage, 80/20 split. But even then if something catastrophic happens to my family, how on earth could we pay 20% of a million dollars? That's not being dramatic either. I have a friend who had a baby premature, 21 weeks believe or not and healthy as can be now, but the costs were a million and a half and that was eight/nine years ago. Probably tack on a few hundred thousand more by now.
I think it is ironic........
when people use foreign words or derivatives and do NOT know how to use them correctly. Then use an ENGLISH expression, or LOOK it up, and don't try to show off. You make yourself just laughable. LOL
You know what is ironic.....
President Obama stated several times yesterday about how we shouldn't use the same ideas as the pubs because why continue to do things that didn't work. Great point, President Obama.....so what gives with the stimulus package? Uh....didn't Bushy do that. I mean.....that was called a bailout but still....same idea. So if we shouldn't repeat things that didn't work....why are you pushing so hard for this spendulous package that, just like Bushy's bailout, WON'T WORK!
How ironic that you lecture about
when the administration you support apparently has never heard of it.
I find it ironic
you both spelled imbecilic incorrectly. Okay everyone can blast me now for being the spelling police. Fire away.
I just found it ironic
The way she describes Obama is how the serpent is described. That's all. Relax.
Obama is not everything to assume I see evil in everything. Besides, I never said he was evil. I just haven't been lured into his candy promises just because of his "velvety" voice and great rhetoric. He's good, I'll give him that.
Pretty ironic, isn't it............ sm
or maybe not, that the complainer was from another country who came to the United States to seek a better life. Maybe her visa/citizenship papers need to be reviewed. Perhaps she would be less "offended" if she were to go back where she came from.
The other posters are right. Rights are slowly but surely being stripped away in favor of "tolerance." We will all be marching in jack boots soon enough.
What I find rather ironic is the fact
that you people spew out that we refuse to listen to intelligence explanations of your view points and yet....I do believe you refuse to listen to our intelligent explanation of our view points. I have listened to your side and I still feel that the Obama administration is wrong in what they are trying to accomplish. We have no money and yet our government keeps spending it and handing it out like we have loads of it. It honestly amazes me that you people can't see the problem with this.
As for me....I have listened to both sides and I'm watching what is going on as opposed to just listening to Obama's mesmerizing teleprompter speeches. His words and his actions are two different things. I've made my decision and yes, I want Obama to fail because I feel that his agenda for our country will ruin it and who would want that.
It is also ironic that the same people who protested and complained about Bush never seemed to call themselves unpatriotic but now because a crat is in the white house, we are all unpatriotic for questioning his motives and judgment. The double standards make me wanna puke.
As for the comments about the tea parties....I think it is rather rude and offensive for people to assume that the tea parties were nothing but a hate democrat/Obama rally. For those of you who can't get it through your thick skulls....this isn't about democrats. I do believe there were many signs that said republicans suck too. How do you explain that if it was a rally against the democrats? As for Obama, this isn't entirely about Obama. It is about government as a whole. So for those saying that it was a racist rally.....give me a break. You can't blame everything on race here and yet that is all I hear. You don't agree with Obama so you must be racist. That just shows how narrow minded and racist some of you are. There are other issues out there and all some of you can focus on is race. Trust me....Obama's race is the last thing on my mind right now.
Bush is no friend of bin Laden and isn't it ironic
that the same person who spouts the first amendment is also the one who runs to the monitor when people say something she doesn't like? Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Does anyone else not find it totally ironic that our next president's sm
middle name is Hussein? I mean, you don't have to be a Bible-believing Christian to think that it is totally eerie and shows that God has probably completely taken his hand off of America to "let it be whatever it wants to be" since we are not listening to Him anymore anyway. Everything seems to be anti-God nowadays and so we'll just have to see what is going to happen in the next 4 years. You think it was bad in early 2000, you just wait and see how bad America is going to get. I'm not for or against Obama in any way, I just think that he is just a "symbol" of what is going to be happening to America - false prosperity and feel-good speeches - but I think the antichrist in one of the nations will spill its wrath against us in a might way.
If my people who call me by name will humble themselves and turn from their wickedness then I will heal their land and show mercy....2 Chron.
What I find so dang ironic about this bailout...
is that the people who got us INTO this mess are the major negotiators in this bailout. Just shakin' my head. No one should vote those slackers back in, that's for sure!! Pelosi for lying to cover it up, Dodd and Frank for being up to their eyeballs in it, Obama for being asleep at the wheel, too busy running for President to pay attention to the looming danger...grrrr. I am not a Democrat, but if I was I would be screaming to the high heaven at my party for selling me down the river. Sigh.
Ironic that you are on the Politics board when you aren't American
At least that what you say, that you're not from American and are European.
Interesting indeed...
Okay, now that I'm satisfied that you are indeed the poster I thought you were, I'm outta this thread.
Good luck, ladies!!!
Sandra Day O'Connor announced her retirement today. How ironic.
On a weekend when we are all preparing to celebrate our independence, some of us can get ready to kiss that very same independence goodbye.
If Bush stays true to his "base" and the Democrats are unsuccessful in what I hope will be a very aggressive filibuster (if the candidate does turn out to be someone who is unwilling to substitute the Constitution for the Bible), we will have conservatives chipping away at our independence: controlling our lives, our deaths, defining which God is "politically correct," who people with the "wrong" orientation are "allowed" to love, etc., etc., etc.
I wonder how much "independence" we will have left to celebrate on July 4, 2006. 
That's true - and Barack Obama is a true Patriot too.
Again we can agree to disagree. How John McCain has voted goes against everything I want as a President, but there are an equal number of people to me who feel opposite. That's the way it goes.
Your last comment brought to mind how true that is. Being a true patriot is not harmful in a candidate. John McCain is a patriot. So is Barack Obama.
Looks kind of pro-war to me.
Everything below is from their official, sanitized website, but for the real view of this group read their forum which includes lots of photos of firearms, many with children alongside them.
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"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
-- John Stuart Mill
(From the Mission portion of the website):
War IS an ugly thing, but as long as nations and leaders exist that detest freedom, sometimes it is the only way to secure a lasting peace. Most leftist anti-war protesters and pundits don't understand this. They state that this use of force is always unnecessary -- that war, ANY war, is never good. Some of them, born into the luxury of American freedom, believe that liberty can exist passively, that somehow the world's natural state will always settle into utopian harmony. Others, in an attempt to absolve themselves from the unearned guilt they harbor living in a nation of prosperity and wealth, try to buy morality on the cheap by pronouncing themselves for the 'good'. To them, the derivation of the 'good' is based on a simple, yet peculiar standard: the powerful and competent are wicked, while the feeble and impotent are innocent - regardless of the context. That is why they defend Iraq instead of America, and the Palestinian "resistance" instead of Israel.
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kind of OT
Do any of you watch Survivor? I love that show. I think Im in pretty good shape but there is no way I could survive for a month on an island like they do but I like to watch and make believe that I could (smile). Snakes and alligators and bugs..YIPES.
Seems kind of sad
Don't know who you are referring to but I suppose all countries have residents who don't wish it well but I assume that statistically they would be a very tiny minority as really, why would they live in a place they wish to see destroyed? Seems silly.
This country seems to be unable to educate itself about the nature of our foe. We rely on leaders who seem to flaunt their ignorance about the middle eastern culture. So perhaps you are right, there are those who wish us harm.....by utilizing repeatedly the same failed techniques/agendas that as you stated, continue to stoke the fires of hate that have been burning for a very very long time -- the agendas of ignorance and unwillingness to learn from history. As long as this runaway ignorance prevails our soldiers will continue to die along with the Iraqi civilians and our world will become less safe.
It is kind of sad, really....
As virulent a Bush hater and advocate for pulling out of Iraq immediately that Murtha is, for him to say what he said, and the fact that you don't give it a bit of creedence is a pretty sad thing, piglet. And you can bet if they had picked and chosen spots in Baghdad to show him, he would have been on the Senate floor saying so. He sure hasn't been shy about castigating and condemning to this point. You just absolutely are unwilling to accept ANYthing positive, even from a Bush-hating pull out of Iraq now Democrat. WOW. 
SM is kind of right
There is a world of heartache ahead in the very near future. In case you haven't been following the trend, there is one church that has been advising its members for over 100 years to stock pile food and supplies, be self-sufficient, and otherwise make nice with the world. The holocaust is coming, but there isn't going to be some saving-grace rapture first. The righteous people will collect into specific locations to survive while the unrighteous have a slug fest and kill each other off. Its very real and it is likely going to be within this lifetime.
that is kind of a
creepy thought for you to be fixated on. EEEWWW.
Kind of the same ol same ol
My understanding is if you used to be a Muslim and then change (or say you have changed for whatever reason) that is a big problem for them. I've known for a long time that OBL would put out threats and he has.
This goes to prove that he has more to worry about from the outside than within the US.
You are so so kind - thank you
Thank you for your post. I know what you mean about feeling stuck.
My dad. He lives in CT. He was working for Foxwoods Casino since the day it opened. When they were first talking about building the Casino back in 1986 (I think that was the year). He received a letter from the Indian tribe asking if he would like to be a poker dealer (they paid for training and meals). At that time he was unemployed and could not find work anywhere (he was in the Army during the Gulf War and when that ended the military "dumped" thousands and thousands of people and he found himself jobless, homeless, and hopeless. Then he received the letter and accepted and he was the third person to be hired to work at the Casino. While he worked there after he had an illness because he worked in an environment filled with cigarette smoke, so they transferred him to a department (marketing I believe) and he has worked there ever since. He loved his job sooooooo much. When I talked to him at Thanksgiving he said he was going to take a computer class (he said he doesn't even know what the on button looks like on a computer. HA HA.) He said he was learning the basics of email and stuff, but the last time I talked to my sis she said he tried checking his email from her computer but didn't know how to do it, so not sure how the computer class went.
I know he's working with some guy at the unemployment office, but my dad said he's going nuts not having a job to go to and spend the day at. He is checking the local stores (greeter, bagger, cashier or whatever they need). I'll check on the AARP program and send him some information. He's talking now about possibly having to sell his truck so he will have some money for food. I wish I could help him out more, but with one income we are barely making it ourselves, and my dad is a kind of proud person and not sure if he would accept any money from his kids.
He does tell me that we are at the bottom so it can only go up from here. Thank you very much for your suggestions and care.
Thank you for the kind words.
I agree with everything you said.
I think that lumping people together and making gross inaccurate generalizations does nothing but prevent any intelligent discourse from occurring, and that's very sad because these issues are very serious. Our very ability to keep BREATHING may be in jeopardy, particularly if we don't start concentrating on our own safety. Bush has made Iraq much less safe place to be, and he hasn't done much to make the United States a safe place to be. If we truly NEED our military someday to protect US in a homeland attack, where will they all be?
What also worries me is that our enemies might consider this a bilateral "religious" war. They already believe it is, yelling and effecting "Jihad." But the current focus on one particular brand of Christianity in this country -- not religion in general, but one particular BRAND of Christianity -- makes me wonder if Bush himself doesn't think this is a religious war. The fact that he might think so is what scares me the most, as history tell us they are the most deadly, bloody wars of all. I personally don't want the U.S. to be known as a "Christian" nation. One of the things I love the most about this country is the freedom that we're SUPPOSED to have to worship freely, and I will personally oppose anyone who tries to take that away from us.
It's sad that tolerance and respect aren't in more people's hearts and souls.
Thanks, that's kind of what I thought...
dede
I responsed in kind. NM
Kind of off topic
Do any of you ever watch subtitle South Korean shows? Out here in CA, we have a channel that is for mainly Indian/Asian shows and I gotta tell ya, I have gotten to like the South Korean mini series..they last about 18 shows, twice a week..They are so good and have made me understand the Asian culture so much..I have a Japanese friend and I was astonished when I went to her home, you take your shoes off and sit on the floor for eating, sleep on the floor..all the things I thought were in the past..Plus, a big bonus, at least I think so, Asian guys are so cute. Hey, conservatives, if you are gonna attack me for this post, save it..okay? IMO, learning about others will keep us alive and not bombing each other.
wow the holidays must not be kind to you
yikes
Yup....Nancy is one of a kind...
let us sincerely HOPE.
Ok, kind of understand now
Thanks for the article. I understand it a little better, but boy, can they make the process any more confusing? Seems like there could be an easier way to do politics.
Kind and gracious?
Let's see....how many thousands of innocent people died in Iraq? If that is your definition of kind and gracious, then you are disturbed.
Maybe the kind that has 3 kids
already and the 4th pregnancy could put her life in peril. Does she allow her other children to go motherless?
Maybe the kind who underwent extensive testing and was told that her child would be born limbless or so developmentally delayed that any kind of life would be miserable?
Maybe the kind who was raped and does not want to bear the child of a rapist, whether she would be able to put the child up for adoption or not.
A woman's body is her body. No one should have the right to tell her what to do with it. There are many reasons to have an abortion. I personally feel that in the above cases, an abortion is a reasonable option. I certainly wouldn't wish any of the scenarios above on anyone. Outlawing abortion in general is wrong. If you want to prevent it from being used as a form of birth control, then by all means put limitations on it, but don't outlaw it completely. Sometimes it is the only choice.
Not pro-abortion but definitely pro-choice. There is a difference.
How about a thought of a different kind
Would like to hear your opinions on this one.
What if Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, and other mass murders or the people that kidnap and kill innocent children had been aborted. Would have saved a lot of heart ache with the victims and their family.
Okay, I know you will probably say nobody knew before they were born that they would have done that, but what if there was a test that could be done that would definitely without a doubt, 100% proof to be able to tell if the baby was going to be someone like them. Then what would your stance on abortion be.
That was kind of pathetic.
I'm reminded daily on this board, how most democrats refuse to allow any opinion other than their own, without some form of negative name calling or put down.
Most of you dems are downright mean and nasty.
I thought you were the party of hope, change, love, and social equality for everyone.
Seems if one is republican or in the middle, leaning to the right, you have no rights at all, in you dems' minds.
Unbelievable.
Kind of a low blow...
Kind of a low blow,don't you think, and had nothing to do with politics.
Christians as much or more charitable work in this country than anyone else does. And not because the government is taking it out of our checks and redistributing it. We do it without being forced to. It is not unChristian to want the government to stay out of our pocketbooks any more than they already are. If there are those of you who think that we are not taxed enough and the government is not doing enough in programs, then establish a private foundation and fund it yourselves and dole it out to whoever you feel need it. Christian organizations all over the world do it daily. Don't depend on the government to do it, and don't double dip on those of us who take care of the poor because we feel an obligation to, privately, not have the government take it from us and unilaterally decide who is most deserving of it.
At least you were kind about it, oldtimer....sm
The three dems above you, are not kind at all.
It's the kind of "democracy" we have
been force-fed for eight years. And your question is?
And this is exactly the kind of attitude
that I feel will ruin us if Obama is elected. Oh...if you don't want to pay your fair share.....just don't make as much. Why should people feel like they have to lower their income. It will make hard working people not want to work hard because the government just takes what they earn. Then you have the people who don't make anything and are living off of the government and that number will grow. The more government assistance given, the more they want and the more they will take. It will make spending for these programs outrageous. Why should we enable people to mooch off of the government?
I understand there are people who legitimately need help. People who are truly disabled and can't work. However, there are many others who are literally just mooching so they don't have to work.
I have to think of MY future. I have two kids who will go through college. One boy is a freshman now so college really isn't too fair away. I have a house I'm paying for. I have a special needs child that requires more of my money. I want to put my hard earned money back for my kids and myself for a rainy day. I don't want it taken from me and given to people who I don't know and who I don't know whether they truly need it or are just lying and mooching off of the government.
The bottom line is this, making more money is an incentive to work hard. You take their money away and give to people who don't work hard and what does that show.....it shows that you don't have to work hard because the government will pick of the tab and it shows the hard workers....why bother. I don't want that for my country. I don't want my kids raised in that kind of life thinking that hard work doesn't pay off.
That's exactly the kind of debate he wants..
no questions asked...wonder if he still has to pay the teleprompter guy? No town hall meetings, can't handle the real public asking him unscripted questions....umm, errr, wellll, ahhhh, hmmm....
What kind of Christian
I have been a Christian my entire life. I was raised in the Southern Baptist church, but branched out when I started studying theology on my own and not taking what I was told in church at face value.
The church I belong to, a congregation of PC-USA, considers itself pretty radical. Not all Christians are evangelical in theology. Jesus was a bit of a radical too. Lots of us are Obama supporters, but there are McCain supporters as well. Thing is, we don't question each others Christianity because of the way someone votes. Isn't really a Christian thing to do.
I see nothing wrong with keeping religion out of the government, and I actually prefer it that way.
Now see, is that kind of talk really necessary?
Seriously.
thank you for your kind words sm
However, I see on this board a lot of things about the biased Fox news, but it bothers me that the liberal media does not highlight some of the good that is happening in Iraq. I do not think that it is a waste of time to help the innocent people who were being persecuted under Hussein's rule. It is a falsehood that most Iraqis do not want us there. Most of them area thankful for all the good that we have done. I do not think that this is needless. However, perhaps we should just agree to disagree.
I'm here laughing at your kind.
HaHaHa. That's what I'll be saying to you on Nov. 4th. Mark my word. It's just so funny, it hurts.
Oh? And exactly what is 'my kind?'
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It's about the kind or world
It's a question that both sides need to be asking themselves. Who among us have enjoyed the hate and division into tribal warring factions we of late have thrust ourselves into the middle of on this forum? Is that what you would wish on your children?
In any case, OT, I did the same thing this morning and at the end of the day, that's all any of us can do...our part. Beyond that, we just keep on keeping on, prepare for the worst, hope for the best and always keep the faith.
that is kind of funny--
but I am pretty sure that if it is what the poster meant, that would have been what the post said, since Republican is not considered profane on this board (by the moderators, anyway LOL).
It is kind of funny how
Barrack Obama says he hasn't taken any money from PACs for his campaign and yet he received the second highest amount of money from FM/FM being beaten only by Dodd. Of course....that was before FM/FM took a dump on our economy but hey.....at least Dodd, Obama, and John Kerry were the top three recipients of money from them. Notice they are all democrats. Oh...I'm sorry....down with the republicans...this is all their fault....blah blah blah blah blah blah.....sheesh.
That's getting kind of tired.
McCain is not Bush - that argument really needs to be put to rest. I know, you're going to come back with the fact that he voted with Bush 90% of the time, but that's really just a number. You have to look at what he voted with Bush on and how the rest of Congress voted on the same issues as well. I understand if you just don't want McCain for president, but judge him on who he is, not by the party he belongs to because that doesn't necessarily mean anything these days.
Thank you for the kind words. s/m
I have tried and tried and tried to get people to THINK and debate. It isn't so much about this election as it is about the American people coming together as one and fixing what is wrong with this country. We have only 2 choices in this election and we can all just try to learn as much TRUTH about both candidates and then vote for whichever one we think MAY most likely represent our values. McCain and his followers have completely turned me off with the constant trashing of Obama. At least Obama has been dignified and while he takes pot shots at his oponent, his speeches offer some insight into what he SAYS he stands for whereas McCain does nothing but preach how his opponent is going to throw the whole country under the bus.
My Christianity doesn't enter into this election. If I saw either man with Christian values, that would certainly play a part in my decision. On the one hand we have Obama supporting abortion and gay marriage, which I can't do. On the other hand we have McCain LYING. According to my Bible if you break one commandment you are guilty of breaking all. According to my belief: Abortion = murder. Lying = "thou shalt not bear false witness." Both are thou shalt not commandments. So from a Christian standpoint one man is no better than the other.
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