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Thanks for your suggestion, but I don't want to trade one non-secure site for another.

Posted By: Anon on 2005-08-27
In Reply to: I simply prefer not to post here. SM - Brunson

I'm looking for a site where the administrator is neutral and ethical and doesn't threaten people with their ISP numbers.


If there is one out there, I'd appreciate knowing about it.


As far as your posting here, that's your decision.  I couldn't care less because I'm only staying on this board long enough to see if anyone else it appalling that an administrator would track ISP numbers of posters for telling the truth about their employer.  Then I won't be coming back any more, to any of the boards here.


And thanks for finally being honest and saying it's your preference, instead of the disingenuous I'll leave.  Are you happy now? type comments that I doubt anyone believed, anyway.




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    he is for balancing trade, not free trade.
    x
    MT not so secure
    The company managing the hospital I worked for went bankrupt and new company refused to pay our invoices for October. I am without a month's pay until I can chase down bankrupt company to make good. To make it worse, they sent me a check for first half of month which bounced. Luckily, I had not written any checks off it or I would have been racking up bank fees.

    New company offered to keep us on at a 1/3 pay cut. I said Adios!
    She seems pretty secure to me.

    her every word" because she likes the truth and when someone posts a big fat lie on this board, she can see it and can prove it wrong. I know those annoying "FACTS" can get in the way of someone who is trying to spread fodder that contains little or no truth. She seems to have inner peace, and many of her posts on this board are pretty funny too so I guess her sense or humor and "joy" are intact as well. Unlike you, I won't be arrogant enough to pretend to know anything about her personal life. Just how do you know she doesn't have a "life of joy with true friends and family"? And how do you know she doesn't have a life other than one that "consists of I guess just basically having a life other than transcribing, hating Bush and proclaiming to be an atheist."? Have you ever met her? How many family members does she have?  How many friends does she have? What color is her hair?  Her eyes? Does she prefer puppies over kittens or both or none? How tall is she? With the "knowledge" you claim to have, those questions should be pretty easy for you to answer, and I look forward to reading those answers.


    She seems pretty secure to me.

    her every word" because she likes the truth and when someone posts a big fat lie on this board, she can see it and can prove it wrong. I know those annoying "FACTS" can get in the way of someone who is trying to spread fodder that contains little or no truth. She seems to have inner peace, and many of her posts on this board are pretty funny too so I guess her sense or humor and "joy" are intact as well. Unlike you, I won't be arrogant enough to pretend to know anything about her personal life. Just how do you know she doesn't have a "life of joy with true friends and family"? And how do you know she doesn't have a life other than one that "consists of I guess just basically having a life other than transcribing, hating Bush and proclaiming to be an atheist."? Have you ever met her? How many family members does she have?  How many friends does she have? What color is her hair?  Her eyes? Does she prefer puppies over kittens or both or none? How tall is she? With the "knowledge" you claim to have, those questions should be pretty easy for you to answer, and I look forward to reading those all-knowing answers.


    Palin is strong, secure.
    nm
    This explains why Bush won't secure our *borders.*
    src=http://www.humaneventsonline.com/images/header-print.gif

    The Plan to Replace the Dollar With the 'Amero'


    by Jerome R. Corsi
    Posted May 22, 2006


    *If President Bush had run openly in 2004 on the proposition that a prime objective of his second term was to form the North American Union and to supplant the dollar with the “Amero,” we doubt very much that President Bush would have carried Ohio, let alone half of the Red State majority he needed to win re-election.*


    The idea to form the North American Union as a super-NAFTA knitting together Canada, the United States and Mexico into a super-regional political and economic entity was a key agreement resulting from the March 2005 meeting held at Baylor University in Waco, Tex., between President Bush, President Fox and Prime Minister Martin.

    A joint statement published by the three presidents following their Baylor University summit announced the formation of an initial entity called, “The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America” (SPP). The joint statement termed the SPP a “trilateral partnership” that was aimed at producing a North American security plan as well as providing free market movement of people, capital, and trade across the borders between the three NAFTA partners:



    We will establish a common approach to security to protect North America from external threats, prevent and respond to threats within North America, and further streamline the secure and efficient movement of legitimate, low-risk traffic across our borders.


    A working agenda was established:



    We will establish working parties led by our ministers and secretaries that will consult with stakeholders in our respective countries. These working parties will respond to the priorities of our people and our businesses, and will set specific, measurable, and achievable goals.


    The U.S. Department of Commerce has produced a SPP website, which documents how the U.S. has implemented the SPP directive into an extensive working agenda.

    Following the March 2005 meeting in Waco, Tex., the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) published in May 2005 a task force report titled “Building a North American Community.” We have already documented that this CFR task force report calls for a plan to create by 2010 a redefinition of boundaries such that the primary immigration control will be around the three countries of the North American Union, not between the three countries. We have argued that a likely reason President Bush has not secured our border with Mexico is that the administration is pushing for the establishment of the North American Union.

    The North American Union is envisioned to create a super-regional political authority that could override the sovereignty of the United States on immigration policy and trade issues. In his June 2005 testimony to the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Robert Pastor, the Director of the Center for North American Studies at American University, stated clearly the view that the North American Union would need a super-regional governance board to make sure the United States does not dominate the proposed North American Union once it is formed:



    NAFTA has failed to create a partnership because North American governments have not changed the way they deal with one another. Dual bilateralism, driven by U.S. power, continue to govern and irritate. Adding a third party to bilateral disputes vastly increases the chance that rules, not power, will resolve problems.

    This trilateral approach should be institutionalized in a new North American Advisory Council. Unlike the sprawling and intrusive European Commission, the Commission or Council should be lean, independent, and advisory, composed of 15 distinguished individuals, 5 from each nation. Its principal purpose should be to prepare a North American agenda for leaders to consider at biannual summits and to monitor the implementation of the resulting agreements.


    Pastor was a vice chairman of the CFR task force that produced the report “Building a North American Union.”

    Pastor also proposed the creation of a Permanent Tribunal on Trade and Investment with the view that “a permanent court would permit the accumulation of precedent and lay the groundwork for North American business law.” The intent is for this North American Union Tribunal would have supremacy over the U.S. Supreme Court on issues affecting the North American Union, to prevent U.S. power from “irritating” and retarding the progress of uniting Canada, Mexico, and the U.S. into a new 21st century super-regional governing body.

    Robert Pastor also advises the creation of a North American Parliamentary Group to make sure the U.S. Congress does not impede progress in the envisioned North American Union. He has also called for the creation of a North American Customs and Immigration Service which would have authority over U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) within the Department of Homeland Security.

    Pastor’s 2001 book “Toward a North American Community” called for the creation of a North American Union that would perfect the defects Pastor believes limit the progress of the European Union. Much of Pastor’s thinking appears aimed at limiting the power and sovereignty of the United States as we enter this new super-regional entity. Pastor has also called for the creation of a new currency which he has coined the “Amero,” a currency that is proposed to replace the U.S. dollar, the Canadian dollar, and the Mexican peso.

    If President Bush had run openly in 2004 on the proposition that a prime objective of his second term was to form the North American Union and to supplant the dollar with the “Amero,” we doubt very much that President Bush would have carried Ohio, let alone half of the Red State majority he needed to win re-election. Pursuing any plan that would legalize the conservatively estimated 12 million illegal aliens now in the United States could well spell election disaster for the Republican Party in 2006, especially for the House of Representative where every seat is up for grabs.







    100 more years in Iraq will not make us more secure.
    make us more secure. Not understanding Afghanistan will not make us more secure. Forgetting about binLaden will not make us more secure. Refusing to talk to world leaders will not make us more secure. A war on terror in the absence of diplomacy and strong alliances is doomed to fail. Four more years of Bush will certainly place us in more danger. No sale.
    I want secure borders to keep out terrorists and illegals...
    Having lived in a border state and, now, even further north, it is evident that illegal immigrants are taking over our country. We are in a financial crisis and yet, much of a social service money goes to those who do not even pay taxes on the money they earn. They sure as heck spend our taxes, though. I am not against immigrants, just those who do not do it legally. There are certain hoops that need to be jumped through and, I bleieve, are well worth it to live in this great country.
    House, car paid for, no kids at home, investments secure.
    x
    What do you think cap and trade is? It's a tax!!!
    xx
    Cap and trade....(sm)

    This actually explains it better than I can here: 


    http://www.factcheck.org/politics/cap-and-trade_cost_inflation.html


    The bottom line is that the GOP estimates are way off, and they don't account for relief programs.


    A suggestion

    I've been thinking about you stating on a public forum/message board that I am the person responsible for threatening you and your family.  I assume these sorts of threats to a person via email are illegal, not sure what the charge would be if brought to litigation, however, I would think that your stating publicly you are sure I'm the person responsible is probably a very bad idea on your part.


    I am a 54-year-old grandmother who has never harassed anyone via email.  The closest I have ever come to anything harassment-wise were the ugly emails I got from the former owner of this board.  I still have them.  Please feel free to email me if you have any questions, I have had the same email for about 8 years.  If you truly believe I am the person responsible for terrorizing you and your family I think you should inform the authorities investigating these threats of my personal information so they can assure you I am not the person you have accused me of being.


    Suggestion
    Gosh, darn it, why don't you get this information post haste to RNC headquarters.  Maybe they can have McCain and Palin start talking about this stuff and  win over a few non-thinking voters in the coming days (if they can stop in-fighting).  Get these "facts" out there!
    Just a suggestion s/m
    I'd be mighty careful about calling people fools.  You never know who's going to end up the biggest fool.  Someone below said that I would probably come back here and eat crow if I'm wrong.  Count on it. 
    Suggestion for you...(sm)

    http://www.kidchat.org/


    They may be more your speed.


    I understand cap and trade. You are the
    misinformation. Try reading The Economist. You might find it enlightening.
    Cap and Trade for Dummies
    Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that spewing fossil fuel carbon into the air is a sin and should be stopped.  It pollutes the atmosphere, it heats the planet, creates acid rain, yada, yada, yada.   And let's just suppose that some group of geniuses comes up with this idea: 

    We can let you increase your privilege to commit sin by buying  somebody else's privilege if they aren't using all of their sin ration.  Or if you are very virtuous, we can let you sell your allotment of sin to someone.  Or maybe you can pay me some money to plant a tree for you, and that will 'offset' your sin, so now we're all even, sin-wise.  

    Holy cow!  I think I've just described the Catholic 'selling of indulgences' that Martin Luther started the Protestant Reformation over!

    Add to that the fact that with cap and trade,
    electric will cost more, so you'll be adding to your use if you have a hybrid that you have to plug in. Doesn't make much sense, does it?

    I do believe the world has gone crazy.
    So how do you explain cap-and-trade.

    Once this is voted on and if it passes....we will all pay.  Gas prices will go up.  Obama himself said utility prices would skyrocket....not including all the prices of goods and services will go up.  Will that not be a tax to everyone....not just the rich.  It will also hurt an already hurting economy. 


    Common sense....you cannot tax just the rich for all the spending our governemt has done, is doing currently, and wants to do in the future.  There aren't enough rich people to fund all of that.  He campaigned on people making less than 250K would see no raise in taxes and yet dropped that number to 235K.  Yet no one seems to be holding him accountable for that either.  It isn't fearmongering to look at all the money that our government has spent during Bush's administration and now Obama's.  It isn't fearmongering that our deficit keeps going up and will go higher.  That is fact......not fearmongering.


    Cap and trade - in some of it's glory
    Here's where you can find the first 900+ pages of the bill. I haven't yet found anywhere that has up the 300+ pages of addendums that were added, but I'm still looking. Please try to read some of it if you have the time - I'm about 200 pages in and there's nothing good as far as I can see yet.


    http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h2454ih.txt.pdf

    Don't forget to email and/or call your senators about this one - it's not too late to stop this thing. Go to congress.org, put in your zip code and you'll get the names and email addresses of your senators and for most of them, you can email them directly from this site or there will be a link to thier personal website and you can email them from there.

    This is a ridiculous suggestion
    Just like your parents can't make that decision for you Bush can't make those decisions for his daughters. For cryin' out loud, think about it? I don't believe they could sign up for Secret Service issues, because what more could the enemy ask for but a direct chance to take a presidential family member hostage. Have you even thought of the implications of that? I can't believe you all don't think this through before making such absurd suggestions...unbelievable.
    Good suggestion

    This is spiteful juvenile behavior and when children act out or show off you do not reward them with more attention.  You try to ignore them and if that doesn't work give them a time-out and banish them to their rooms.  Any attention she gets is obviously encouraging this person to keep at it. I say we starve her.


    Good suggestion

    This is spiteful juvenile behavior and when children act out or show off you do not reward them with more attention.  You try to ignore them and if that doesn't work give them a time-out and banish them to their rooms.  Any attention she gets is obviously encouraging this person to keep at it. I say when she shows up again we starve her.


    Can you say "cap and trade"? Now learn what that is...
    nm
    Suggestion from a newbie to this board
    Can we just not respond to them, a.k.a. ignore them? I know it is VERY hard, but just don't respond.

    As I read in another post, there is no way we are going to change each other's opinions. A good debate is good, but when it gets ugly, and it usually does, it's just not worth wasting time.
    Doubt they will follow your suggestion.
    nm
    That's the best suggestion I have heard yet regarding the debates. nm
    NM
    The power of suggestion I guess...nm
    nm
    Good idea. I second that suggestion.
    Thanks.
    Their suggestion would be a great big "duhhh"
    Very similar to W's approach.
    Good suggestion, I agree with you on that one..nm
    nm
    Every time we offer a suggestion
    we get laughed at and told we are asking for handouts.

    I still believe that the best way to revive the banks is to go through the homeowners. Isn't bailing out and giving money to the big buisnesses still essentially trickle down economics? It's going to take too long for this stimulus to reach the average citizen. By then too many people will be without a job/home/food, etc.


    You are aware that Obama has always been pro-free-trade?
    Granted, not nearly as much so as McCain who wants to expand free trade as much as possible.

    "Senator Obama: "I believe in the Free Market. I believe in Capitalism. I believe in Free Trade. I am not worried about us being able to compete anywhere on earth with American workers"-Obama." Too bad, at least Hillary does."

    One of the many links to this quote: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/17/171927/342
    And now we have a huge trade imbalance with china..
    because China has bought up all of our securities in the form of loans. That's why kids toys are full of lead. If you're smart, you will check the labels on ALL products you buy. Did you know that in China they string their chicken coops over shrimp ponds? The chicken feed is supplemented with shavings, dust, particles from plastics and fiberglass plants (to save money) and the chicken droppings are what the shrimp feed on. Crest toothpaste is made in Mexico. Hepatitis A outbreaks came from Mexico. Dollar store brands? Check the labels on vitamins, aspirin, EVERYTHING (China - they put ANYTHING in their products). Even Birdseye frozen vegetables are grown and packaged in Mexico. The only store I have found that the labels inevitably say: Grown and manufactured in the USA is SAVE-A-LOT!!! What happened to the FDA? Remember when Bush said we couldn't buy our medications from Canada? Guess who is making most of our meds now................
    So...how's "cap & trade" like the House just passed

    Here's an eye-opening article:


    http://www.aim.org/don-irvine-blog/cap-and-trade-woes-in-europe/


    You put up THIS site or the site you said to check out
    Unless you are the administrator which I highly doubt you didn't put up THIS site.
    Building of New Trade Center Starts (see article)
    Without Fanfare, Building of New Trade Center Starts



    By DAVID W. DUNLAP

    Published: November 4, 2005


    When are they ever going to start building the new World Trade Center?


    Yesterday.


    Thirty-nine years after the first concrete was poured into the first trench for the first telephone vault for the first trade center, carpenters built a 168-foot-long wooden trough in a gentle S curve through the south tower footprint at ground zero. From this sinuous sprout, Santiago Calatrava's PATH terminal and transportation hub will emerge.



    Skip to next paragraph

    src=http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/11/04/nyregion/04rebuild184.1.jpg
    Fidel Oliver/Port Authority

    Carpenters prepared a wooden trough at the World Trade Center site Thursday.


    Don't laugh; it's a milestone day, said Charles A. Gargano, vice chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the trade center site and is building the $2.21 billion terminal over the next four years.


    Until now, milestones at ground zero have tended to be ceremonial.


    There was not a hint of ceremony yesterday. Prince Charles and Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, were nowhere to be seen in the 70-foot-deep pit. The Freedom Tower cornerstone of July 4, 2004, sat hidden under a blue plywood box.


    But anyone looking out from a PATH train screeching around the corner into the temporary World Trade Center station would have seen a crew from the Beaver Concrete Construction Company of Brooklyn.


    They're finally doing something with this big hole, said Anthony Martelli, one of the workers, standing inside the newly completed trough. It's about time.


    It was Mr. Martelli's first day back at ground zero since early 2002, after a six-month tour cleaning up debris and pulling out pieces of steel. Yesterday, he was building again - he and Paul Klein and Frank De Guida and Robert Manella and Tonino Sacino.


    Starting at 7 a.m., they built a trough 18 inches high and 6 feet 3 inches wide out of thick wood planks. Cagelike frames of steel reinforcing bars, or rebar, will be set into the trough beginning today. Then concrete will be poured over the rebar.


    That will form the footing of a seven-foot-high concrete retaining wall. The wall will hold about four feet of fill, on top of which ballast will be laid for a temporary PATH track, No. 6, alongside the future Platform D, the fourth and westernmost platform.


    Currently, there are five tracks among three platforms, two of which occupy a corner of the south tower footprint, as they did in the original station. Platform D would take up more space in the south footprint and a tiny bit of the north footprint.


    Once Platform D and Track No. 6 are usable, in early 2007, other tracks can be taken out of service temporarily to allow construction of the permanent terminal while commuters are traveling through the tubes to and from New Jersey.


    The construction manager is a joint venture of Parsons Brinckerhoff, which counts the first New York City subway line among its earliest achievements, and the URS Corporation. A general contractor is to be chosen in the next few months.


    Icanda was the contractor in 1966 when the first concrete was poured, at West and Cortlandt Streets. John M. Kyle, the chief engineer of the Port Authority, threw in a silver dollar, a 100-lire coin from Italy, a 5-franc coin from France and a British penny.


    Asked about the absence of fanfare yesterday, Anthony R. Coscia, the chairman of the Port Authority, said: I think people have become so jaded by the inordinate amount of ceremonies that have occurred at that site - disproportionate to what's actually happened - that I didn't want to add to that. This is about actually building.


    There is a potential snag, however. A lawsuit filed last month by the Coalition of 9/11 Families seeks to halt the project on the ground that it violates a federal law requiring that historic sites not be used for transportation projects unless there are no feasible or prudent alternatives.


    Anthony Gardner, one of the plaintiffs, whose brother was killed on 9/11, said the authority had never justified the need for Platform D.


    Our focus has always been to ensure the maximum preservation and access to the remains of the footprints for the American people and future visitors to the site, Mr. Gardner said yesterday.


    The Port Authority and the Federal Transit Administration have yet to answer the complaint, he said. A spokesman for the authority said it would not discuss pending litigation.


    But Steven Plate, deputy director of the priority capital programs department, did talk about the authority's sense of stewardship as he inspected the site, pointing out that the tower footprints had been covered by polyethylene liners and 12 inches of stone fill to protect them during construction. We're very committed, personally and professionally, to preserving the site, he said. Eighty-four of our own perished here.


    I don't want to sound melodramatic, but there is no monopoly on caring for the site. This is the Port Authority's home.


    Even Al Gore thinks caps and trade is a bad idea!!!
    xx
    I think you picked the wrong time to make such a suggestion...nm
    nm
    "He (MCSAME) will expand free trade so we can be even more competitive.” NM
    1
    This site.
    When I said this site, I meant the site to the link I originally put up not the LIBERAL board.  Of course I am not the administrator.  Geeze get a life, you dissect and pick apart anything that is posted here.
    On that particular web site, yes, I would

     sign what they asked me to sign which was a thank you to Harry Taylor for saying what so many of us feel and have felt for the last 5-1/2 years. I am willing to sign any petition that decries this administration and its horrendous policies. I know all about Not In Our Name but thanks for your article. 


    I was proud that I stood up for what I believed during in the 70s and that I continue to walk my talk to this day.  Being arrested just proved that I was willing to do whatever it took to be heard and I would do it again today. I have the courage of my convictions and I am proud of that.


    You question my causes...what does that mean?? You don't like the organizations I support and you just felt the need to share that with me...


    Also, the state of our union is beyond party politics; we are so far beyond  differences in ideologies; I am not following any party line in saying that I would sign a petition. I am following my conscience and my gut and history, not the Democratic party.


     


    I was just on her site. There is nothing there about it. sm
    I think most of us are waiting to hear from Bruce himself. I don't trust any of the other sources.
    I came across this site while

    looking for more information on this whole situation.


    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52545


    I have never seen nor heard of this web site  but it explains a little more about what happened. It is confusing. The assistant DA said it violates the 4th amendment to shoot someone you don't know, don't know what he is doing, is unarmed and running away. At first I thought, well that makes sense; that's the law but then it doesn't make sense because this was not a case on Law and Order with cops making mistakes carrying out the arrest of American citizens, no matter how despicable their crimes. This was the border patrol doing their jobs, umm, patrolling the border and the person in question is not an American citizen. I am not, as you may suspect, as hard on the immigrants as some are. I don't know what the answer is. This country is not big enough for everyone to live here, yet when I see starving, poverty-beyond-belief kids living in the sewer systems in Brazil and Mexico and being killed periodically by the police because they (the police) have no answers either. It is almost like euthanizing pets at the humane shelter. They just don't know what else to do, the kids are starving, learning how to survive on the street which means more and more crime...its heartbreaking to me anyway. But that has nothing to do with this. I think these guys got a raw deal, not sure why but 12 and 11 years is way out of line. 


    Site
    I just copied and pasted it and it came right up.
    Take a look at this site.

    http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html


    It shows the amount of money in a 20-year period and BO has gotten a helluva lot more money in a 4 year period than McCain has in 20 years. 


    I have seen that site before, however
    it only lists contributions from individuals and PACs. Directors, officers, and lobbyists are not included in that chart. I am not denying Obama took money. My point is look at all the numbers, not just a select few. I think the TOTAL amount of contributions is important.

    I am not so blinded by either candidate that I am going to defend them no matter what.
    Thanks for that site -- both of my

    senators voted in favor.  Hoping my rep will see it definitely. 


    Not sure which site she was at - sm
    I just went to his web site. There is a short video of him talking about things being hard the past 8 years, he goes on to say we need a new direction and he has a plan. He says "your savings? We'll rebuild them. Your investments? They'll grow again. Energy? We'll drill here and we'll create a renewable energy economy. Lower taxes and less spending will protect your job and create new ones. That will restore our country. Stand up with me, let's fight for America. I'm John McCain and I approved this message".

    That's a positive message to me and I don't see any negativity. Nothing about Obama on the site.

    Then to the side there's buttons that lead to differnet things to view on his site (his job plan, healthcare plan, and taxes). I'm looking all over the site for something negative and can't find anything. Are you sure she went to the right site. I'll post a link below. I'd hate her to get a false message.

    As for his family and such. I would rather read about his plans for America and what he's going to do for America. I need facts about the candidates. I wish your daughter best of luck with her project. It's great when kids get involved with politics. Here is the site your daughter should go to. It's the official McCain website and it's quite positive.

    http://www.johnmccain.com/landing/
    This site might help. (sm)
    http://www.howstuffworks.com/electoral-college.htm
    Another Site
    This one breaks it down with exactly how much money is going where.

    http://www.propublica.org/special/the-stimulus-plan-a-detailed-list-of-spending