Thanks. Interesting the division lines. sm

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I worry also that because he is black, if he becomes president, he will be assassinated.

BTW--I'm voting for O because McCain has not convinced me enough that he is against Bush's decisions. I've had enough of Bush; therefore, I've had enough of McCain before he even gets started.

decent steak and baked potatoes if the budget would handle it. If not, they shoulda made hot dogs and baked beans.

We're paying for this, ya know. That's what's so sickening. We down the tubes and they're feasting as if nothing is wrong.

the right is painting him as going around with a baseball bat taking out old people....ROFL. Because he's superbad...LOL.

why don't they vote into law that the ticket has to have a Rep. and a Democrat. So, for example, this year it would be Obama/Palin and McCain/Biden. Not that the Pres. candidate would have to choose those 2 particular but Obama would have to have Rep. and McCain would have to have a Dem.

Republicans always trot out the slogan that they oppose big government and want to shrink the federal payroll. President Bush tells us that big government is not the answer.

But for more than 75 years, no Republican administration has cut the size of government. Since George W. Bush became president, government spending has risen nearly 25 percent.

And the spending increase isn't just tied to the war on terrorism. The Office of Management and Budget says spending at the Environmental Protection Agency is up 12 percent; it's up 14 percent at the Agriculture Department, 30 percent at the Department of the Interior; 64 percent at the Department of Labor, and 70 percent at the Department of Education.

And the pork keeps pouring out. Even the Peanut Festival in Dothan, Ala., got $200,000.

Alabama congressman Terry Everett, a Republican, got them the money. He wouldn't talk to us about it, but the locals said they like getting your money. I think it's a waste of money, but if they're going to waste money, I guess it's better to waste it here than anywhere else, one man told me.

Economist Stephen Moore, a Republican, says, We fought a war against big government and you know what? Big government won.

He noted, You look at what's happened to the government in the 10 years since the Republicans took control of Congress, the government is twice as big.

I heard this a few days ago, but since everyone only pays attention to articles in mainstream papers and TV news, thought I would post it. Could explain why Bush is acting like a brat. The pressure coming from the families, the public, and the truth movements is getting intense.

Apparently, CIA officers are buying legal insurance to cover the cost of their defense should they be indicted by a federal grand jury for their roles in 9/11. They are worried that the results of an internal CIA investigation into some CIA agents� roles in 9/11 may soon become public and the public outcry would immediately lead to their arrest for murder and conspiracy among other charges.

CIA officers who are charged with something that was done in the line of duty, i.e., for something that is constitutional and legal; are defended by the largest law firm in the world; the U.S. Justice Department. However, for illegal and unconstitutional charges they are on their own. That is why this private legal insurance has suddenly become so attractive to some employees of the CIA; they know that they will not be defended by the Justice Department because what they did was so illegal and reprehensible. That is why they are busy buying private legal insurance. For a well-researched, excellent article found in the mainstream media see the Washington Post for R. Jeffrey Smith�s story titled, �CIA Officers Buy Legal Insurance�

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/10/AR2006091001286.html?nav=hcmodule

OKay, so based on your analogy.....if someone trespasses on my land with intent to do me harm and I order them off my property and remind them that it is illegal to harm me or to trespass......you imply that I am NOT allowed to mention what the law states and that it is illegal for them to harm me UNLESS I am a law enforcement officer?

You never stated a time frame for cons ordering liberals off the board, ....you stated it was never done and that suggests an indefinite period of time. Once again, pretty shoddy logic.

This was actually the first debate I watched this year. I wanted to watch the others but just missed them somehow. I will definitely be watching them from now on! I found it so interesting, and it really gave me more hope about our country's future. I just loved hearing so many great ideas for the future of America (from all of the candidates). I have been very discouraged over the last 7 years. Things just keep getting worse and worse and worse. I cannot wait to have a strong, intelligent leader running this country who can help heal our very injured nation!

I was most impressed with Joe Biden, Bill Richardson, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton. I don't know if Richardson has what it takes, but I loved what he had to say about education being the most important thing (I agree!) and just how he presented himself and his ideas in general. Biden seems to have the experience behind him and a good solid head on his shoulders, and I really appreciated his ability to get right to the point instead of dancing around aimlessly.

Obama may not have had the strongest night (and I was not happy about how he interrupted Hillary!), but he is my favorite candidate, so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt because I know where he stands on the issues more than I know any other candidate. He just needed to be much more quick and direct with some of his answers, but of course, I still think he's the man. :) I do fully expect him to learn from his mistakes and completely wow me at the next debate.

Hillary is a very impressive politician. I really find her to be extremely intelligent, extremely strong, and very likeable in general. She would indeed be an incredibly strong leader for this country. She is a great speaker. Although people keep talking about how she is being attacked, I do agree with a lot of the critism she receives on her voting record and her alliances (best word I could think of) with major corporations. That makes me a bit nervous because to me one of the biggest problems in America is that the corporations are using our politicians like their own personal puppets. However, I am really impressed with her knowledge overall and how she plans to turn this country around, and obviously we would be at least 100 times better off having her in office than Bush and the current sorry excuse for an administration! January of 2009 cannot come soon enough.

Dick Morris was an advisor to the Bill Clinton administration. He was also the campaign manager of Clinton's successful 96 re-election. He knows the Clintons inside and out. Very interesting reading (and watching).

I'm not trying to bash your opinion just making an observation about how 2 people look at the same thing and see 2 different things.

You said you felt that Bush did a good job in keeping the country safe after 9/11, etc. I look at the situation as Bush preying on our fears and using them to invade Iraq. We did a fast hit on Afghan. which was needed, but then that was it. Osama bin Laden is still at large (maybe dead for all we really know) and he was behind the whole incident. But we have torn apart Iraq for what real reason? Oil. It can be sugar coated and denied, but we all know that is what it was. It wasn't for any supposed WMD that he knew were not there.

I don't think our country can take more war, and that is what McCain has said he believes in (unless he has since changed that statement).

I believe Bush has done more hurt than good for this country, our country. BTW, I am an independent too and will be voting Democrat.

The paragraph above it (not included in chart) states Obama's plan benefits the lowest income brackets while JM's benefits the middle class (if you make $5 million or more per year- joke) or the upper class. Go to the website and read the paragraph above the chart.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008%5C04%5C11%5Cstory_11-4-2008_pg7_32

For those who haven�t yet seen it, here is the accompanying summary of a 2003 New York Times Article:

September 11, 2003

New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae

By STEPHEN LABATON

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.

The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.

The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac � which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt � is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.

... Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.

��These two entities � Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac � are not facing any kind of financial crisis,�� said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ��The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.��

Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.
��I don�t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,�� Mr. Watt said

Also, he laughed in the background and wanted extra time to talk? Does he need extra time to do everything? At least Obama respected the fact that John McCain was talking and didn't laugh and smile with an evil grin. He would gently say "you are wrong about that John" and that's pretty much it. There was no smirk that I could see.

Senator Obama was very cordial, but I thought John McCain was egotistical and trying to quote people "of importance" as if that is going to make a difference.

Again, I repeat again, he has the same old Bush way of doing things, which is the same old way for the past 8 years.

We need change and we need it for the middle class not the tycoons who are already wallowing in money one of them being John McCain and the others being all his croneys...