Thanks, GP, let's all have hope for a better future.....nm
Posted By: aw on 2008-11-05
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Totally excited - He gives us hope for a better future
Obama is the first candidate in my entire life that gives me hope of getting our country back on track. Here is why I am against Clinton and as a citizen will never vote for her (it just goes against all my beliefs as a human being and how I think other human beings should be treated). Here are some of the quotes she had made in the past. There are way too many so will limit it to just a few. I know I was sick after reading these....
“We just can’t trust the American people to make those types of choices, Government has to make those choices for people “ - Hillary to Rep. Dennis Hasert in 1993 discussing her expensive, disastrous taxpayer-funded health care plan.
“You know, I’m going to start thanking the woman who cleans the restroom in the building I work in. I’m going to start thinking of her as a human being”
“I am a fan of the social policies that you find in Europe ”
“If you want to remain on this detail, get your f***ing *ss over here and grab those bags!” - Hillary to a Secret Service Agent who was reluctant to carry her luggage because he wanted to keep his hands free in case of an incident.
“F***ing Jew Bast**d. – Hillary’s remarks about Fray (who ran Bill’s campaign) while in a rage after Bill’s run for congress failed. This slur was heard by many people.
“Where is the G-da**ed f***ing flag? I want the G-dam**d f***ing flag up every f***ing morning at f***ing sunrise.” – Hillary to the staff at the Arkansas Governor’s mansion on Labor Day, 1991
“F*** off! It’s enough that I have to see you sh**-kickers every day, I’m not going to talk to you too!! Just do your G*dam job and keep your mouth shut.” - Hillary to her State Trooper body guards after one of them greeted her with “Good Morning.”
Her rages continued when she moved into the white house and the secret service more than once had to pull her off of her husband after she attacked him.
And this is the thing that people actually want running the country? Sheesh! That's enough to make me sick. I live in America, not some country being run by a socialist - just say NO to Clinton.
Any suggestions on how to keep my sanity if she actually does become president? I've thought about citizenship to another country but not sure if that would solve anything.
Future
Lesbian couples use artificial insemination now. Why would the future make any difference? In return, they could be surrogates for gay male couples. sorry just don't follow your reasoning.
the future
I am amazed at how many psychics we have on this board. I have never seen so many people who can predict what the future holds for our country.
I'm also shocked to learn that only right-wing conservatives and others who vote for McCain/Palin are the only ones who care about our country.
Thanks for clearing things up for me.
If you want to know the future
Read up on the Lincoln presidency.
Last night on Charlie Rose guests called Obama obsessed with Lincoln and determined to not let us down.
So read up, I am sure there were no "everybody gets a goodie bag" lines with him, but I will read up and find out exactly what he did do if that is my president's hero.
This is concerning. This is about the future of our
After all, Obama stated he wanted to become president for his children and for other children. Oh, I guess I must be wrong.
How can you say this? Can you see into the future? ...nm
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Yes, madam QA.....I will be sure I do so in the future...
pardon the heck out of me. :)
future wrongdoing
And since when can you predict the future? LMAO!!
Past and future
Stop dwelling in the PAST.
Look into the FUTURE.
The last past 8 years did not work for anybody.
What we need is change. REAL change.
Summon it up, we do not need
your pagelong lectures. Who has time for this?
The election is tomorrow, thanks God.
Go, Obama!
If a brighter future ever comes your way
to recognize it.
I wish I was hopeful for the future.
I am actually not proud to be an American. I actually want to move to another country, maybe Canada, Switzerland, Italy, Ireland? US scares me now with all these human rights. I wish it was back in the 50's.
Maybe not but our future could have started 5-1/2 years ago.
Bush's policies in all areas are making it look pretty bleak. 
It is nice to look to the future and not the past.
You are quite wrong about my stance on Vietnam. Don't make the presumption that you know me at all.
One thing that I do know is that you cannot change the past. You want to bog yourself down with useless information knock yourself out. Our government tends to not pay attention to those details of the past in the way they operate today. If they did, Bush would have never invaded Iraq. Perhaps you are making your speeches to the wrong audience? You will never convince a liberal that war is just.
As I have stated before, I am strictly anti-war, no matter who, what, where, and why. War does nothing but fund hate and line pockets of men who profit from them and kills the innocent as an after thought, and it's excused because, hey, that's war isn't it?
The longer our troops stay in Iraq, the more hate it is going to foster. This military pseudo occupation has to stop and the humanitarian effort needs to start, period.
Or better yet, why don't you go there and explain to the Iraqi people and our military men and women who are doing their fourth or fifth tour and tell them why they are still there. There's your audience, try and convince them.
And this makes any wrongdoing in the future okay???
OH BROTHER.
Sorry, Moderator...I will be more careful in the future.
Thank you for deleting it, thereby letting me know it was inappropriate. Again, I apologize.
Exactly, you don't equate future president with
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"I am sorry your future is so dark and meaningless"
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O was elected the future president, so....sm
the only thing that we can do NOW is sit back and WAIT for O's actions.
But give him ROOM FOR ACTION, without criticizing every little decision.
You know, he IS the future president, time to accept it and, as Kaydie's father states, to adapt to it.
John McCain's future
After seeing Cindy smooching some biker dude, maybe John should check in at home more often.
the future of imported items
anything imported, which is basically everything will cost more next year or will simply be unavailable. Manufacturing orders are down for China, inventories are shrinking at retail stores. Even Wal-Mart is cutting back on inventories. I was in a Super Walmart the other day and one half of the store was full, the grocery and clothes half. The rest of the store was abandoned.
AIG/Future of American Healthcare
I've written a few times on this board that I think employers and insurance companies should be completely taken out of the picture when it comes to healthcare, that our very lives shouldn't be profit-driven commodities.
In my opinion, what's happening at AIG with greedy executives gives us a window into what could happen again (or probably already is happening) with health insurance companies.
I did a quick Google search and found the following two articles that address this. The first link is more current and probably the better of the two links, but the second is worth reading, as well. There may be better ones out there, but I didn't have much time to do my search, and these are two that caught my attention. If you find others, please post them.
It seems to me that before a new healthcare plan is implemented for Americans, we need to insure (no pun) that greedy executives can never do this again to Americans, particularly if our very ability to live or die lies in the balance.
I plan on writing my Congressman and Senator. I DON'T plan on having my concerns taken seriously (or even being read, for that matter).
Can you imagine -- just for a moment -- how much money could be saved by eliminating the profit factor in healthcare? It might just pay for a new healthcare care system itself, or at least put a big dent into the cost of one.
http://blogs.webmd.com/mad-about-medicine/2007/08/ceo-compensation-who-said-healthcare-is.html
http://www.harp.org/hmoexecs.htm
Well, if teabagging is in your future, you might have to get on those knees, anyway.
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If you CARED about your country and its future,
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Good for Joe! I hope so. And I hope he sues...
the governor of the state of Ohio from now to next week. He should. They BIG time violated his civil rights. If this situation was reversed and he was a Dem who had asked McCain a question and a state had had him investigated, the ACLU would be all over this like ugly on an ape. Liberals only care about other liberals...they could care LESS what happens to conservatives. But yeah, they are all about civil liberties. Geez. Pull the other leg awhile.
At age 60, I'll hand over the future of my children
They deserve at least that much, since they will end up bankrolling the deficit debt left behind by W and 90% for generations to come. We are leaving them a world WORSE off than the one we inherited from our parents for the first time in US history. My vote goes to O, skeletons and all.
We need to vote as if our entire future depends on it,
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Speculation over her future role in the R party
This kind of ignorance is no bash...unless former candidates can inflict them upon themselves. Let's make a deal. Palin will be a bash-free zone just as soon as Obama is. When election politics dries up from the board, Palin comments will follow in kind. Don't hold your breath.
So why does a future plumbing business owner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_the_plumber
BTW, he can't own a plumbing license without a license.
But here is another question, if you make NO INVESTMENTS in the future....sm
how do you expect to prosper and make money for the future of our country? I am the first to agree that there are things in this package that i believe should have been yanked out of there, but there are many sound investments in our future, in education, in health care, in securing our borders, in job programs, etc. If you hide a dollar under your mattress, in ten years you will still have that same wrinkled up old dollar. But make an investment with that money, and you at least have a chance at growing some of your investments, and growing the future of this country. Why were you not screaming when W. was literally blowing up piles of money in Iraq????
At tea party 9 year old says he is worried about his future.
Host asked him if he skipped school today to attend and he said yes. The host then asked if he really wanted to be there because of how he felt or if he just wanted to skip school and the kid truthful said about half of each. Hehe.
Roberts: Iraq Will Affect Future War Votes
Fool me once, shame on you....etc.
I feel better knowing Congress is smart enough to not believe BU_ _ SH _ _ twice from this farce of a president.
Roberts: Iraq Will Affect Future War Votes
Experience With Faulty Data Has Made Senators More Wary, Panel Chairman Says
By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 14, 2005; A04
The Republican chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence said yesterday that one lesson of the faulty prewar intelligence on Iraq is that senators would take a hard look at intelligence before voting to go to war.
I think a lot of us would really stop and think a moment before we would ever vote for war or to go and take military action, Sen. Pat Roberts (Kan.) said on Fox News Sunday.
We don't accept this intelligence at face value anymore, he added. We get into preemptive oversight and do digging in regards to our hard targets.
He said that agreement has been reached on the Phase 2 review that the intelligence panel is doing to look into whether the Bush administration exaggerated or misused prewar intelligence. The review may not be finished this year, he said.
The intelligence panel vice chairman, Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), also appearing on Fox, called the review absolutely useful because if it is the fact that they [the Bush administration] created intelligence or shaped intelligence in order to bring American opinion along to support them in going to war, that's a really bad thing -- it should not ever be repeated.
Appearing on CNN's Late Edition, national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley said the White House is supporting the study, adding: I think that what you're going to find is that the statements by the administration had backing at the time from accepted intelligence sources.
He said that when administration statements turned out to be wrong, that was because the underlying intelligence was not true, but that's not the same as manipulating intelligence, and that is not misleading the American people.
Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.), appearing with Roberts on Late Edition, said that Iraq became the center of terrorism after the March 2003 invasion.
I'm afraid we're going to see Iraq is not only the center of the war on terror, which it was not before we attacked Iraq, but now it is going to, I'm afraid, export it.
He added that Iraq has become the heartland of terrorism. It was not before we attacked.
Levin, a member of both the Senate intelligence committee and Armed Services Committee, has been a leading critic of the Bush administration's handling of the war.
Levin also said that the United States must get allies, as many as we can, including in the Muslim world because this is a form of fanatic Islam which has to be defeated by the moderate Islamic people.
In a column in yesterday's Washington Post, former senator John Edwards (N.C.), the Democratic vice presidential candidate in 2004, said the failures of the Bush administration turned Iraq into a far greater threat than it ever was. It is now a haven for terrorists [and] has made fighting the global war on terrorist organizations more difficult rather than less.
The president and his senior aides have said since before the invasion that Washington went to war primarily because Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and was a threat to the United States and its neighbors because of his connection to terrorists. Once fighting began, they argued that Iraq was the central front in the battle against terrorism.
In his Veterans Day speech on Friday, the president turned his original argument around, saying, The terrorists regard Iraq as the central front in their war against humanity, and therefore, We must recognize Iraq as the central front in our war against the terrorists.
Yeah, you're right; I'll try to ignore them in the future.
Yes, that's what you're doing. Predicting the future and turning a blind eye
Losing your parental rights is a reality in the near future.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=87929
First Iraq and now Bush leaves New Orleans rebuilding to future President.
Bush: New Orleans may need a decade
NEW ORLEANS, Aug. 28 (UPI) -- As he headed for the Gulf Coast on Monday, U.S. President George Bush told an interviewer he expects the rebuilding of New Orleans to take a decade.
Bush planned to spend the anniversary of the U.S. Gulf Coast landfall of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans after a visit to Biloxi, Miss. It was his 13th visit to the devastated area.
We can rebuild buildings, the question is can we rebuild its soul, he told April Ryan of American Urban Radio Networks. We can. I believe, 10 years from now April, you and I will be thinking about our time here, and trying to remember what it was like 10 years ago
Bush came under fire last year for apparently ignoring Katrina immediately after New Orleans flooded and then flying over the city in Air Force One.
Later White House spokeswoman Dana Perrino said she wasn't aware of a specific time period but that the president has said all along that it would take more than a year to rebuild New Orleans.
In terms of like, 10 years, I don't know about exact time frame, but it's certainly going to take several years, Perrino said.
Bristol's future MIL arrested on 6 counts of felony drug charges.
Palins can't seem to catch a break this past week.
I sure hope not...I hope he has extra, extra protection sm
I think regardless of which candidate wins they will need extra security this time.
have to say hope you are so right!
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I hope so, too.
Can only hope and pray. 
sure hope this comes out.
Certainly something nice for kids to see a president do, flash the birdie.
It would be my hope---
That a concerted effort would have ALWAYS been made to keep bashing down on BOTH sides by the moderator.
I noticed that the posts below one of my recent entries were all deleted. It makes me feel bad that the time and effort put into those posts were lost. I guess that's the chance we take on a privately-moderated forum and I should have been prepared for that.
I really really hope that you..
or anyone in your family never become disabled in any way, that no one in your family will marry or adopt a minority member, that mental illness or mental deficiency never crosses your doorstep, that someone in your family converts to another faith, that you never lose your job, your savings, your house, your car or anything else you hold dear. I hope you never lose your family and/or friends and have to go it alone. I hope you are never put into a situation where you are frightened and have not a clue what to do. I hope you never lose health or home or car insurance or are rejected for a claim you might make and have to pay yourself and find that you can't. I hope you and your family never make a mistake, especially one that is made public in any way. I do not think those of you who are always pounding the **victim** **entitlement** drum would have absolutely no idea how to deal with what great numbers of Americans deal with every day. The real arrogance is that you believe you have arrived at this superior status on your own. Most of us were born with a leg up; a lot of us were not. Those with the leg up got a big free jump ahead 300 spaces. We were born into the families we were, in the country we were and Creator, not us, is responsible for that.
As far as the people in Lebanon, they flew in to the Beirut airport of their own accord. Since the airport was blown up, other measures needed to be explored. What would you have done??
Let us hope you are also the last.
This is the liberal board and you are to refrain from personal attacks. I am sure you will now make endless excuses about the nasty comments made regarding Raven/Lurker's ideology (as well as anyone else foolish enough to post on a LIBERAL board daring to espouse a LIBERAL philosophy), and the Liberal board will once again because a far right-wing poster child for short-sighted philosophy of war and dumbfoundingly ignorant accusations against all Democrats/liberals/or-anyone-with-half-a-brain-who-has-a-conscience. I await this result, ad nauseum.
I hope you are right - I truly am.
You are correct. I cannot stand either of them. It literally makes me ill to watch them. Don't ask me why because I just can't put my finger on it, but when she or Bill is speaking I find my stomach gets nauseous - and I voted for him the first time he ran. I was for him for about his first 2 years in office, then I started learning more and more about he and Hillary and what their plans were. Guess I was blinded by the lies and when it all started coming out I realized the person he was as president and the person who ran for president were two different people. I think its just basically because they are such manipulating liars and I can't for the life of me understand why anyone believes anything they say. I have not yet found anything they say to be credible. You know when everyone talks about Richard Nixon they'll say what a bad person he was he was impeached and once he left office nobody paid attention to him. If they mentioned his name all I kept hearing was "impeached, impeached", but when you hear Bill's followers will never say "he was impeached". You know I really didn't have a hard time with them at all until after I started reading about their history and all the illegal things they've done throughout their careers to get where they are (and they got away with it). I told my DH, so-n-so went to jail for that, what is keeping these two out, especially when there is proof of what they've done. They'll come out and say such-n-such a person does this or that (eluding to something imoral), when in fact they have done the same exact thing. But then again all politicians do it. It also made me nauseous when we tried explaining to my MIL things he was doing (illegal things) and her only come back was "but he's so cute". That's all she had for an answer to everything. "Hey mom, do you realize he lied to America? and do you realize this was illegal?" - "Yes, but he's so good looking and it was only a little lie". Ignorance like that is just what really irritates me to the core.
I know I have to calm down. I was real calm when I turned off the TV and stopped seeing those two faces, but then I go and turn on the news and they are still in it - so off the TV will go again.
I do understand they are an influential part of politics - why for the life of me I don't know. He's an impeached ex president. Nothing more. He didn't do anything to improve the lives of Americans - he put us deeper in debt. Taxes were the highest when he was in office than anyone can remember. Okay, in all fairness I do give Hillary credit for being the first female to get as far as she has running for present, but that's about all the credit I give her. If her values are to teach young girls that they can lie, cheat and steal to get whatever they want, along with crying when you don't get your own way, telling people you are staying in because an assassination could happen in June and you need to be there to pick up the pieces? (Those were her words no matter what way anyone wants to spin it). Oh my!!! Well that's not a characteristic I would ever want any of my children to daughters to have. Not only through her campaign, but also things she has done and said in her political career and as first lady also factor into why I think she is just a horrible person. At the convention I do see her as an important person (maybe in my last post I didn't think so, but I do think it is important for her to be there), but the impeached ex-president should not. He disgraced the office and the trust that millions (well I don't know if it was millions but it was a lot) had in him. He used his position as president to keep having his affairs, and other stuff he did. I can't even imagine what Monica was thinking when the guy that she was in love with and was sleeping with (even though he was married) when he was asked why he had an affair he said "because I could". Not because I love her, or even because I care about her. No "because I could". The respect he shows towards women is Zero. Everyone will talk about John Edwards, how awful he had an affair. Or John McCain, how awful what he called his wife and what he did to his wife, but people are excusing what Bill Clinton did. Why? Oh I forgot "because he's so good looking". He may do a lot for races (people of color), but I think its all a sham. I don't know about Fox news cos I don't listen to them (got tired of one viewpoint all the time), but just listen to the comments he makes "Barack's only winning because he's black". "Barack won such-n-such an area because that's where Jesse Jackson won", etc, etc. The comments go on and on. His statements he makes in public to me show me that he is a racist and that's why I said he can hide behind his walls but he will always be a racist in my opinion. And giving people of color jobs that didn't even pay enough that they could support themselves and still had to get food stamps, while taking away good paying jobs from other people to ship them over seas (NAFTA), well that also lessened my respect for him and what he was doing to America and American's. He never cared about me or other people in America and the people who were getting the big tax breaks were the 1% of the wealthiest (those same people they claim Bush gives the tax breaks to). My family, my friends, and my families friends were all losing their jobs and houses while he was president. So I guess that's another reason why I can't stand him.
I do think that Hillary might be able to help bring the party together but I really don't believe Bill would. People like to see him speak - sure he is a mesmerizing person (although when I see him the hair on the back of my neck stands up and there is just something creepy and evil about him). I really do not think we should be having someone who disgraced the office of president and was impeached speak at the convention. Go if he wants to of course, but he should not be allowed to speak. Did the republicans have Richard Nixon speak? No because he was impeached and disgraced the office.
I just think those two are the sleeziest couple in politics. Although I do have to say there are a bunch more who are equally as sleezy, but they do stand out at the top.
So those are my lowly opinions. I'm sorry I feel that way, I wish I felt better about them but I just don't.
I truly hope that I never have to
depend on someone else's hard earned money to support myself and my family. Even if I had to, I would work hard to get back on my own two feet as soon as I could. I truly do hope things get better because things are truly scary right now. My husband runs a car dealership and he makes the money in our family. However, car sales are down so low right now that I don't even want to think about the money he will be losing come bonus check time.
I just feel like these government programs keep the little guy down. I thought the whole idea was assist people so they can better their situation and then become self-supporting. Instead...we have more and more people living off of the government with no plan or intent of trying to better their situation. They just want that monthly check.
I just think that taking more money from the hard workers and giving it away doesn't show much incentive to work hard in life. Why bother. The more you make, the more they take while people who don't work at all live off of your hard-earned money that is taken away from you.
Stop enabling people to mooch off of the government. The numbers will only rise and get worse.
I hope so
I hope the crap hits the fan and he never steps foot in office.....
did he really do that, oh I hope so...
too bad there could not be an obama/mccain ticket, but not that mccain from the past few months...
I should hope that SP
would remain only an embarrassment to Alaskans rather than becoming embarrassment to the United States of American as I am sure she would/will.
I hope you don't think s/m
that they're just going to accept the SC's decision? My money will go to bet that now they will start with the "supreme court didn't hear the case; therefore, they did not rule" so the madness will just continue. Or maybe they'll bring out that old ancient hippy.....who knows but I'll bet these most likely PAID political nut jobs aren't just going to roll over and play dead.
Hope you're feeling better Marmann.
Hope so.
Can't wait until Wednesday, Nov. 5, to find out.
I hope you get what you want
and you're happy with what you get.
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