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Tent cities=Great Depression

Posted By: Mrs. Bridger on 2009-03-13
In Reply to: And spending money - Trigger Happy

Go to timesonline.co.uk and search for California tent cities. The homeless shelters there are OVERWHELMED and turn away as much as 200 people A NIGHT!!!! There are over 300 people living in one tent city ALONE! And these are not bums or derelicts, these are low to middle class income people who had been living paycheck to paycheck as most americans do, and lost their jobs and cannot find work.

Gee, and when was the last time this country saw tent cities like this? The Great Depression.


The unemployment rate in California is over 10% and has risen to 15% in some of the hardest hit states in the country. To say that this has been fabricated and that there is no crisis is just more of the republican elitist socially darwinistic pile of horse @!$%# that has been pervading the GOP.


It's time for all of you hard right conservatives to pull your head out of the sand and take a really good look at what YOUR republican president did to this country in the course of 8 years. Obama inherited one of the biggest messes in this country's history, and you are pssed off that he hasn't "fixed" it yet?!! Are you kidding!? He's been in office for not even two months. It took the Great Depression over a decade to be resolved, and your screaming over 2 MONTHS!!!!!!????


There are a lot of people hurting. And guess what, the CEO @!$%#s that helped cause the mess are laughing all the way to their bank accounts in Grand Cayman and couldn't give a @!$%# about the rest of the country. And who helped them get their egregious bonuses and compensation? Hmmmm, couldn't be the republicans that were in power for HOW LONG!!?? I'll tell you: from 1994-2006. Hmmmm, just long enough to deregulate the banks and lower the taxes on the wealthy enough to create the largest income gap in this country since the Industrial revolution.


The republicans f'd up big time. That is why they lost control. And they are continuing on that same wretched path with NO IDEAS on how to fix the mess they are mostly responsible for creating. Except tax cuts for the wealthy. The GOP mantra. It's BS and you all need to stop buying into the rhetoric.


I am hoping with all my heart that Obama is a successful president and is doing what needs to be done to rectify this nation. Yes, he may fail. That is a risk you take with ANY president. But if any of you have even half a functioning brain you would wish for success as well. His failure will mean the failure of our country. And I don't know about you, but I certainly hope I never see that day.




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I had heard about the tent cities, but never even thought about the increase in arsons. nm
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Another book about the Great Depression
The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes. I'm about halfway through it now and it's amazing - it could have been written about the last several years instead of the 1920s.
The people during the Great Depression were more self-sufficient that we are. sm
They could make a loaf of bread and farmed. They bartered for goods and services. They also had sound money (gold and silver) unless they left it in a bank deposit box or were duped into letting it be confiscated.

Thanks to the amended version of the Patriot Act, it is against the law to hoard food and water. Bank runs or inciting bank runs is a felony. Imagine that, it is against the law to try and protect your money. These crooks have everything covered.
poll: how many think we are headed for another great depression
me for one
Book about Great Depression, 1928 and 1929.

BOOK:  The Crisis Of The Old Order  By:  Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.


In 1928 and 1929, the nation had reached, it seemed, a permanent plateau of prosperity.  Businesses expanding.  Foreign trade growing.  The stock market was continuing to rise.  And national leadership could not now be in more expert or safer hands.  "I have no fears for the future of our country," said Herbert Hoover in his inaugural address in March 1929.  "It is bright with hope."


There remained a few discordant voices, anxious in the main over the stock market boom.  In spring 1929, Hoover summoned a special session of Congress to deal with these issues.  The session was not a success.  The Board's purpose was to control the flow of commodities to the market; one provision was to control temporary surpluses.  The session adjourned from April to November without taking action on the tariff.  Hoover wanted state public lands and reclamatin projects and related irrigation matters be withdrawn from national control and states to manage these affairs then Federal Government.  President's attitude toward utilities regulation was similar. 


Yet most Americans remained more interested in teh stock market than economic question and the few interest as now beginning to turn into concern. 


Early 1929, Federal Reserve Board under pressures of NY Federal Reserve Bank, finally consented to warn member banks that they should not lend money for speculative purposes.  But did not work.  Some argued that a restrictive policy might well induce deflation.  The board felt it created "a state of mind which breeds depression."  It was certainly true that reducing the interest rate was a clumsy way of combatting THE BOOM.  As long as the stock market offered highest returns, it was bound to have first call on funds.  Higher interest rate would have slowed down investment, cause capitalization process and bring down prices of ALL CAPITAL ASSETS and thus discourage investment.  President Hoover did nothing as he was preoccupied with his own mind and watched the Board run the course.


CHECK THIS OUT!!!  Finally by summer 1929, some danger signs were apparent, STARTLING DECLINE IN BULIDING CONTRACTS.  Residential construction for the entire year SANK.  CONSUMER SPENDING WAS SLACKENING.  By midsummer 1929, building began to fall off, wholesale commodity prices dropped.  In August, Federal Reserve Board finally agreed to raise to 6 percent. In September Stock Exchange price were at the highest.  On October 23, PRICES STARTED FALLING.  WALL STREET WAS SHAKEN.  Anxiety was suddenly infectious.  As panic spread, stocks dropped.  Hoover stated, "The fundamental business of the country, that is production and distribution of commodities is a sound and prosperous basis."  As prices held for a week, bankers QUIETLY fed back into the stock market that they had bought on Black Thursday for further future storms.  


Banks protected themselves against their customers.  On Monday, new explosion of gloom and panic happend.  General Motors stock lost nearly 2 million.  It soon was an avalanche, vast numbers rushing to get out of the market.  By noon, 8 million shares traded hands and by closing time, Exchange had broken all records with 16 million shares.  By mid November the financial community began to survey the wreckage.  New York Stock Exchange had fallen 40 percent in value. 


CAUSE OF THE CRASH:  Management's disposition to maintain prices and inflate profits while holding down wages and raw material prices meant that workers and farmers were denied benefits of increases in their own productivity.  Decline of mass purchasing power (like our real estate in 2005?) as goods flowed out of expanding capital plant in ever greater quantities, less and less cash in the hands of buyers to carry goods off the market.  Seven years of fixed capital investment at high rates had overbuilt productive capacity and had thus saturated the economy.  The slackening of the automotive and building industries.  Businessmen trying TO SAVE THEMSELVES COULD ONLY WRECK THEIR SYSTEM.  Representing the financiers, it had ignored irresponsible practices in the securities of the markets.  Ignored the weight of private debt.  Result was both class and national disaster. 


Yeah. Their **big tent* is now about the size
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Top 10 cities

What do the top ten cities with the highest poverty rate all have in common?


Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list)
hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961;
Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954;
 
Cincinnati, OH (3rd)...since 1984;

Cleveland, OH (4th)...since 1989;

Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor;
 
St. Louis, MO (6th)....since 1949;
 
El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor;

Milwaukee, WI (8th)...since 1908; 


Philadelphia, PA (9th)...since 1952;

Newark, NJ (10th)...since 1907.

 
Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'

It is the disadvantaged who habitually elect Democrats ---yet are still disadvantaged.


the cities are lining up
The cities are next in line saying they want a bailout to keep city employees on the payroll and off the unemployment rolls. Sounds like blackmail (again) to me and not a loan this time either, but straight up pay up.
That is good but too many liberal cities go out of
Seems to me if they think God doesn't exist or they feel so bold as to not want to believe in anything themselves, why should they care if God is taught or spoke of in school prayer or the pledge. All this time tells me is they are afraid of what they don't know and are too proud to admit it.

Many who don't know Christ go out of their way to spew hatred and want others to feel that way as well.
Unbelievable - Individual cities are now asking for money from the bailout -

What do ya'll think about this?  I cannot believe it.  The bailout was bad enough when it was to keep the banks from failing which was going to ruin us all, but now these individual cities are asking for money for things such as mass transit improvements, expansion of clean technology businesses, to fund long-neglected infrastructure, more police, upgrades to airport terminals and runways, upgrades to wastewater treatment plants, etc.


Where is it going to end?  What happened to all the taxes people have been paying in for years anyway?  Why was it not being used for those things all along?  And why should I in Georgia have to pay to give people in other states money to fix things?  Alaskans are not giving me part of that money they get every year from their oil...  Maybe that is selfish - but if they continue to take and take from me, then what I am supposed to do? 


Great post, great insight, great analysis, thanks!..nm
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Actually, it might very likely to into depression anyway,
is not so all-powerful that they can put the brakes on something that has taken on a life of its own. Unless the cogs that drive this economy are retooled (and that would mean the way banks operate, loans are made, homes are bought and sold, and priced, stocks are valued and invested in, yet), American workers/investors are going to come up with more realistic and less-speculative ways to make their money work for THEM, and not just some rich guy sitting on his 40-foot yacht.
If a depression is what you want...YES.

Obama is your man.


Oh, no ...DEPRESSION is exactly what we are
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I believe we will go into a depression

regardless of which idea they go with.  I really don't think there is anyway out of this. 


You know what really bugs me....and this is kind along the lines of the topic of equal pay........


If a caucasian male is making more money for doing the same job as an african american, by law the african american has the right to sue for legal pay.  I'm cool with that.  If you do the same job and think you deserve the same pay....more power to you.  If an african american is making more money for doing the same job as a caucasian, the caucasian has no legal rights to sue for equal pay.  I'm sorry, but that doesn't sound equal to me.


can you spell depression?
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And you don't think this recession (soon to be depression)...(sm)

has anything to do with it?  Hey, that's what republicans want, big business to grow fast--no regulation--me, me, me...


How about all those families that are going to suffer from this.  Did they ask for it too?


Yes, I think there is a depression coming if it isn't already here. sm
I live in Michigan, on the west side of the state, but nonetheless in Michigan. We are so tied up in the auto industry that if the Big 3 crash and burn, Michigan may well just cease to exist. We have had 3 auto parts plants close down, Steelcase and Herman Miller are cutting jobs, because people are not hiring, so why make all that office furniture. There is nothing incoming to help take up the slack. Then, I heard on the news this morning that the city of Detroit has now appealed to the feds for help to bail it out. Detroit IS big 3 auto country. If Detroit tanks, so goes the rest of the state. Kwame Kilpatrick fallout not withstanding.

I like to think that as long as people get sick, I will have a job because I do acute care. And we all know that there are people who use the ED as a PCP. Hopefully my doctor in AZ can help me out, but he is a specialist, so who knows.

My 403(b) has lost half of what it used to be, and then I hear that they have suspended the sales of MRE's. But I think that is just over-excitable hype.

However....I have a feeling that the "Great Depression" 2008 style is coming. I don't think the "End Times" is coming, but something has to give or the United States of America will become another third world country.
Michigan is in a depression.
I was born and raised in Michigan.  Your state has been hit hard.  I live in the Northwest and in my neighborhood, I have 8 new families who have moved in and guess where they are from?  Michigan.  A lot of my family members in Michigan believe that the Oil companies should bail out the 3 car companies, not from taxpayers money.  Family members do not seem to care if the car companies fold because they are already in worse shape.  My cousin, last family relative working for the GM, took an early retirement package given to him 2-3 weeks BEFORE the financial crisis hit US.  He was very lucky.  I have family members considering moving to the Northwest and 1 family already is here and just love it. 
depression statistics

This sounds familiar:


 


http://eh.net/Clio/Publications/unemployment.html


I meant recession, not depression. nm

I guess my depression medication
must be working because I am  happy to see in our lifetime that a woman and an African American can run for the presidency and possibly win.  Times are changing.  People are opening their eyes to a new day.  Maybe we won't see a change in the economy in the near future, but we should all do our part to at least try to put lawmakers into office who have the peoples' best interest at heart.  We pay taxes and these elected officials work for us.  We can start by putting state representatives in office who will work for us in Washington.  We voted for them and we can fire them.  They work for us.  We do have a voice.
All getting so depression. I doubt there is a single
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strategies for coping with the depression

I am paying off debt.  Made my garden bigger.  Planted some fruit trees.  Stocked my pantry.  But I don't want to take in any relatives......I would rather pass out free zuchini.


If we are in a full blown depression...(sm)
then I think the number of illegals coming into the country will lessen.  If we can't offer them anything better here why would they come?  I think there will be more pressure on the ones here because they will be competing for jobs.  When Americans can't find jobs, I think they will be more likely to point out illegals or suspected illegals to lessen competition.
Per the experts, we officially went into a depression today...nm
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It is not HATE, it is love of country and depression
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McCain's top economic advisor says we are in a "mental depression" sm

and additionally says that we are a nation of "whiners.' McCains top economic advisor is Phil Gramm.


How do you feel about these remarks? Additionally have you or someone you know been experiencing tough times in the last year?


Change recession to depression and I'll agree with you.
They just signed America's death warrant. 
I feel no hope, but a huge depression coming.
it is going to be a long, crazy, up and down, scary ride.  I do not see any hope, but failure for this country.  Will NEVER be the same.  You all who wanted change are going to get it.  I am not sure what change the O keeps talking about, but it does not sound good to me at all.  I want to have hope, but I cannot stand who the O picked for Chief of Staff.  Hiliary Clinton stated yesterday, IN HER OWN WORDS, were not good about him at all.  The only vocabulary that he has coming out of his mouth is 4-letter words.  He is nothing but a JERK.  So I guess that means we all can act like Rahm Emanuel and maybe we all can get somewhere in life?  I do not think so, but that is who the O picked.  I guess I should read DickMorris' book when he worked with President Clinton and Rhambo who is not very trusthworthy individual.  It seems to me is psycho.  Starting to stock up on paper products, toilet paper, paper towels and even tampons since paper products were hard to find during the depression.  If the car companies do not get bailed out, look out country.   I do have mixed feelings about bailing out car companies though.  I wish we could, but then it will be bailing them out for the next 2 years and then next in line will be airline companies.  WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THIS.
Counterinsurgents thrust nation into full blown depression.
How is that possible? Looks like we still have quite a ways to go before we hit the Rovian rock bottom.
war, depression, recession, collapse of financial system, people losing

homes, natural disasters unattended to, collapsing bridges, earmark bridges. Address those first, save flag for later.


 


Great, great post. Thank you, Marmann! nm
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Sure is great
Yup, I love posting the truth about the white house monster.  Cant take it??  Well, I can remember some awful things the neocons said about President Clinton for eight years..What is good for the goose is good for the gander..
This is great!
Thanks for posting it.  I didn't see this one before.  I've only recently begun to watch his show and haven't been able to catch all of them. 
That's great! nm

This is great and I am going ...

to email this guy and tell him so.


http://www.kabc.com/mcintyre/listingsEntry.asp?ID=432586&PT=McIntyre+in+the+Morning


These were great.
Thanks.  Too bad they're all true.
This was great!
Thanks for posting the link.  I liked it all but especially laughed at the terrorists loving Masterpiece Theater.  :-)
Yes, great. sm
She is speaking at an A.N.S.W.E.R. coalition meeting. You know about ANSWER, right?  About as anti-American as you can get.  Here's a little information.  Also, as Observor said, she is a racist and an antisemite.  Did you not see the video of her bodyguards, in her presence, race baiting Jews? 

Formed within three days of the September 11th attacks, and officially founded on September 14, 2001 by Ramsey Clark and members of the International Action Center, ANSWER was one of the first organizations formed to protest the policies of the Bush administration in the wake of the September 11 attacks. Its first major action was a September 29, 2001 Anti-War, Anti-Racist political rally and march in Washington, D.C., primarily in protest of the then-impending U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. Subsequently the organization has organized rallies drawing crowds in the hundreds of thousands, including several with record-setting numbers of people. ANSWER characterizes itself as anti-imperialist, and its steering committee consists of socialists, Marxists, civil rights advocates, and left-wing progressive organizations from the Muslim, Arab, Palestinian, Filipino, Haitian, and Latin American communities. Many of ANSWER's leaders were members of Workers World Party (WWP) at the time of ANSWER's founding, and are current members of the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL), a Marxist-Leninist organization that formed in 2004.


we know what a great

in-the-nation's-best-interests job the courts did on the Gore (Nobel prize winner) and Bush (failure in absolutely all business ventures) decision. Clarence still seeking revenge on Anita Hill.  Plus don't forget the Supreme Court justice who just happens to enjoy duck hunting with Cheney.  The guy with a cloud over his head according to Fitzgerald in the Plame case.  Pile in on.


 


 


This was great

First time in a long time I watched the news and I was pretty amused tonight.  Subject was Barack's trip to Berlin and his speech.  Republican representative said that Obama shouldn't have done it because he's not the president.  They were asked well what about McCain when he went and gave a speech in Canada.  Their response was "Well that was different.  They are Canadians".  He also said it was okay for McCain to give speech to Canadians because Canada is in North America.


When questioned further it actually came out that they (republicans) were upset because the Berlin speech made Obama look good, while McCains biggest highlight of the week was giving in interview in the dairy isle of the grocery store.


They tried to say that Barack was giving a "policy" speech, and when corrected they made up some other lame excuse (that's when it came out that they were upset because having all those people gather for his speech in Berlin made him look good).


Just goes to show you how desperate the republicans are.  They had their chance to pick a better candidate than some old lame, senile guy, but this is who they chose.  Now they are just mad because McCain is looking more feeble, constantly whines, and is constantly mis-speaking and getting the facts wrong (and having to be corrected in public by those closest to him).  Someone said that if he would just stick to issues and not try and attack/belittle Obama every chance he got it might go a little different for him.


I just thought that was quite amusing for a change in the news.


Great! :) nm
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Great pic thanks
That's excellent. She sure knows her weapons. Goes to show she knows and supports Ammendment 2 of the constitution - Right to bear arm. You go girl Governor Palin. Would she now be considered the new Governator. :-)
He was great. Wish he had been more like that...
during the primaries. I like Fred.
That would be great but we all know that

some people can't see beyond their nose and some people don't have the ability to weigh the facts of what is written.


FYI, I have finally made up my mind through reading.


She was great. Try though he did, he...
couldn't trip her up and it was to his obvious great frustration. She did a better job than Obama did with O'Reilly. lol. At least she didn't say she had to figure out which faction. lol.
i just think it's great :)
that we'll have either our first black pres or first female vp. I don't know why obama only sides w/ his black side, and I don't know why you have a problem with me thinking that it's great that for once we are going to have some diversity. Sheesh
These are great
These are great strategies. I can certainly understand why he should be president. I can't wait too vote!!!!! (sorry, I just couldn't resist!!)
Jon is great. sm
His facial expressions alone make me laugh. I became a fan after watching him confront Tucker Carlson during an interview. If I find that clip, I will post it. It is not comedy, but Jon tells it like it is.
And just look at the great welcome
received after their service to our country...I'm sure Kendra is thinking of this and wondering how many people are going to feel this way towards her own hero! You hang in there Kendra, you do have a hero and God bless you, your husband and your child!