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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, if you are given this story DO NOT REENLIST!

From: aaronb
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:42 PM
To: soldiers@michaelmoore.com
Subject: army con artist

Mr. Moore,

I would like to start by saying that I think what you are doing for the troops is probably the most supportive thing any one human being could do during this troubled time. I would like to tell you my story, and I hope that it can help other soldiers in my position.

I am a specialist in the US Army, I have served four years on active duty, and I am separating from the service later this month. Earlier this year my wife and I had a baby girl. Unfortunately, she was diagnosed with cystic fibrosis, which is a genetic disease which affects the lungs. Her life expectancy is about 30 years old. When she was born she required surgery which kept her in the hospital for about a month. As you can probably imagine, this was quite expensive. I wasn't worried about paying for it because I assumed military insurance (TRICARE) would cover it. I went along with that assumption for the next few months, but about 2 weeks before I was scheduled to ETS, I made a routine trip to the tricare office at the base hospital. When I arrived there and showed them an outstanding bill from the hospital where my daughter had the surgery, which showed an outstanding balance of 127,000 dollars, I was informed that that bill must be paid by me personally because I was required to pay 20% of any medical bill from any hospital or clinic not in the military system. When I asked the clerk what my options were for payment, she informed me that I either pay the bill in full, or reenlist and the bill would be paid for by the army. I couldn't believe what I was hearing, so I left the office without saying another word, went home, and called the 1 800 number for tricare. The representative assured me that the clerks statements were entirely false and that my insurance policy had a catastrophic cap of 1000 dollars. While I have no proof, I believe that the clerk from the office at the hospital (who was a civilian) was receiving some type of payment to try and con soldiers with exceptional family members into reenlisting. I am considering obtaining legal counsel on this matter, but I doubt I have a case. I just wanted to write this to make sure it never happens to anyone else. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, if you are given this story DO NOT REENLIST! Contact the tricare hotline before doing anything based on what you are told. I hope that this has not happened to anyone else, but I fear that is not true.

Thank you for your help,
A soldier for peace

June 06, 2006 Lieutenant defies Army over ‘illegal’ war By William Cole The Honolulu Advertiser In one of the first known cases of its kind, an Army officer from Honolulu is expected to refuse to go to Iraq this month with his unit, citing what he calls the “illegal” and “immoral” basis of the war, his father confirmed. The officer, 1st Lt. Ehren K. Watada, 28, son of former state campaign spending commission executive director Bob Watada, is believed to be one of the first military officers to publicly take steps to refuse his deployment orders. “My son has a great deal of courage, and clearly understands what is right, and what is wrong,” Bob Watada said yesterday. “He’s choosing to do the right thing, which is a hard course.” Watada declined further comment until a news conference planned for 11 a.m. tomorrow at the state Capitol. His son is with a Stryker unit out of Fort Lewis, Wash., and is expected to participate by teleconference. Jeff Paterson, a former Kaneohe Bay Marine who refused to board a transport in 1990 heading to the Gulf War and now works as an anti-war activist with the organization Not In Our Name, said a second news conference will be held in Tacoma, Wash. On a Web site Paterson said was created by friends and family, the “Lt.” is quoted as saying: “I refuse to be silent any longer. I refuse to watch families torn apart, while the President tells us to ‘stay the course.’ ... I refuse to be party to an illegal and immoral war against people who did nothing to deserve our aggression. I wanted to be there for my fellow troops. But the best way was not to help drop artillery and cause more death and destruction. It is to help oppose this war and end it so that all soldiers can come home.” Ehren Watada apparently sought in January to resign his commission, and later asked again and was denied. Watada, who is not seeking conscientious objector status, but rather has moral objections to the Iraq war, faces the possibility of a court-martial, dishonorable discharge and several years in prison if he refuses the war orders. According to the GI Rights Hotline, a conscientious objector has a deeply held moral, ethical or religious belief that it is wrong to kill another human being in war. Some service members discover that opposition after joining the military, and are discharged, the organization said. Watada doesn’t qualify as a conscientious objector because he does not oppose all wars. Watada graduated from Hawaii Pacific University in 2003, joined the Army shortly after, went to Officer Candidate School, and incurred a three-year obligation. The Hawaii man is with the 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry, at Fort Lewis. The unit is part of a larger 3,600-soldier Stryker brigade combat team similar to a unit being developed in Hawaii with about 300 eight-wheeled armored vehicles. The Fort Lewis brigade is heading to Mosul in northern Iraq, and the soldiers are expected to leave this month and into July. At a farewell ceremony on Friday, I Corps and Fort Lewis commander Lt. Gen. James Dubik, a former Schofield Barracks commander, said that of 299 million people in the United States, only 2.3 million serve in uniform to defend the nation, the Olympian newspaper reported. “Less than 1 percent of the nation is carrying 100 percent of the burden of this war,” Dubik said. But in a sign of increased opposition to the three-year-old Iraq war, anti-war activists demonstrated at the Port of Olympia after Stryker vehicles drove there for shipment, the Olympian reported. Police used pepper spray on about 100 activists, and 22 people were arrested in one of the more volatile confrontations, the newspaper said. Paterson, 38, who in 1990 alleged that the Gulf War was about profits and oil in the Middle East and sat down on the tarmac at Kaneohe Bay instead of boarding a transport, said he’s not sure of the number of Iraq or Afghanistan war objectors. Cases that resulted in court-martial include a Navy sailor sentenced to three months of hard labor for refusing to board a ship headed to the Persian Gulf, a specialist in the National Guard given 120 days in a stand against fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, and a soldier sentenced to 15 months for refusing to deploy to Iraq a second time. Robert Arakaki, the 83-year-old president of the 100th Infantry Battalion Veterans group, who saw combat in Italy in 1945, yesterday said Watada “owes the country a lot.” There “should be some kind of good explanation” for why Watada wants out, he said, and Arakaki takes issue with claims of an immoral and illegal war. “Who determines what is legal or illegal? Him or our government? Not him,” Arakaki said. Retired Navy Cmdr. Jack Miller, past president of the Hawaii chapter of the Military Officers Association of America, said “there’s always been the problem of following orders. This time is no different.” “Being a Vietnam veteran, we went through this,” said Miller, 72. “The rest of the load had to be shared by those willing to follow orders and serve their country.” Dependable, loyal officers are needed, and “if one doesn’t fit that qualification, a bad apple will contaminate the barrel. He (Watada) should be punished in some way,” Miller said. “You don’t want someone over there in Iraq who’s not going to willingly follow orders. That’s dangerous.” Back to top Copyright © 2006 Use of this site signifies your agreement to the Terms of Service.

Here is an email I received from my cousin.  Thought it interesting enough to put up here.  It is a letter written by a soldier in Afghanistan.

Paste this link or follow the link at the bottom of the post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKdTUcZLSXw

U.S. Army Specialist Tomas Young has some questions for George W. Bush. He's never met with the Commander-in-Chief who sent him into Sadr City, Iraq in a canvass covered truck during a massive uprising in that city on April 4, 2004. The same city on the same day that Cindy Sheehan's son Casey was killed.

Tomas was lucky. He was only paralyzed from the chest down. Amongst other things he'd like to ask of Bush, is why he won't allow funding for stem cell research which might eventually restore the spine that he lost in Bush's War. A spine which apparently Bush has never had.

Tomas and his new wife Bree (also pictured), came to Crawford from Kansas City on their honeymoon to stand in support of Cindy Sheehan.

and murdered him justifies himself by saying it was not a murder; it was a justified killing.......    Our liberal media has been so hush hush about the murder of this solider, maybe they think they same thing!!  They sure have talked about the baby murderer's murder til I'm sick to death of hearing it!!! 

Too bad Obama thought discussing the tiller murder was more important than mentioning a soldier's murder in THIS country due to a sicko islamic convert within our own country....  speaks volumes to me...

and murdered him justifies himself by saying it was not a murder; it was a justified killing.......    Our liberal media has been so hush hush about the murder of this solider, maybe they think they same thing!!  They sure have talked about the baby murderer's murder til I'm sick to death of hearing it!!! 

Too bad Obama thought discussing the tiller murder was more important than mentioning a soldier's murder in THIS country due to a sicko islamic convert within our own country....  speaks volumes to me...

I hope this family is able to effect a change in this. This would be something worth quitting your job and marching for change.  I'm heartbroken reading of the audacity of the military to ship a fallen soldier as freight.  This has to be a mistake. Pinch me I'm dreaming...Democrat. 

Family Upset Over Soldier's Body Arriving As Freight

Bodies Sent To Families On Commercial Airliners

He is from my neck of the woods.   

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/awol-soldier-surrenders-after-19-months/20060901041609990017?ncid=NWS00010000000001

Predictably, falling right in line with Tony Snow and his *2,500 is a number* statement on June 15, followed one day later by the fiercely *patriotic* Rush *I'dLoveToServeMyCountryButCan'tBecauseOfThisPimpleOnMyButt* Limbaugh, reminding them that aborted fetuses are more important than murdered American soldiers (as was posted on the *other* board on June 16), all the while publicly declaring that all liberals who post on this board don't care about our troops.  *Profound* indeed.

http://www.prospect.org/horsesmouth/2006/06/post_134.html#002858 

I live in a rural area, have three dogs and do weight training also!!!

Actually it is said by the experts that if you are inexperienced with a gun you're better off not having one.  It's kind of complex, but check out the info if you're interested. 

I used to have military mace (actually from when I lived in a big city) - not sure if it's available to the public - probably easier to use than a gun and just as effective.  Otherwise, not sure who we're supposed to be afraid of here.....I generally am not afraid of intruders and I don't have any weapons in my house other than my dogs and my mouth!!!

I can't wait to see what Fitzgerald's investigation unfolds.

Libby and Rove both were sources for the leak of Plame's occupation.

This was after Joe Wilson made public that Bush's claim that Saddam Hussein was purchasing uranium to make nukes was FALSE.  The administration KNEW it was false, yet Bush used this fake threat of nukes in his State of the Union address to scare the heebie-jeebies out of the American public so they would support this bogus war.

That's how Bushies handle people who cross them.  Don't DARE tell the truth or expose the administration for what it truly is.  If you do, they'll not only put the life of a CIA agent in danger, but every single person she worked with around the globe pertaining to WMD.  Why isn't this treason?  It's the Bush way of doing things, and Karl Rove is an expert and accomplished thug.

I hope this goes beyond Rove and Libby and goes straight to Bush and Cheney.  This is definitely an illegal war, brought on totally false premises, and Bush and Cheney should be personally held accountable for all the deaths (American and Iraqi) that have resulted from their lies.

It's truly sad when the only man on earth who can make Saddam look not so bad is GEORGE W. BUSH.  I'm very ashamed of my government.

I'm writing to my Congressman and Senator and see if this is true, express my objection and see if they can BOUNCE the *blank check* they gave him regarding Iraq and require Congressional approval for air strikes.

The article you posted included the following: 

After the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the former official said, he was told that Bush felt that “God put me here” to deal with the war on terror. The President’s belief was fortified by the Republican sweep in the 2002 congressional elections; Bush saw the victory as a purposeful message from God that “he’s the man,” the former official said. Publicly, Bush depicted his reëlection as a referendum on the war; privately, he spoke of it as another manifestation of divine purpose.

Someone needs to tell Bush that God thinks Bush is too engulfed in his own ego to fully understand God's REAL message to him, and that's why God gave us POLLS.

I don't believe religious symbols of ANY kind belong in schools (unless they're religious schools) or government buildings.  If Walmart or Target wish to be inclusive to all religious beliefs, more power to them.  Private businesses should be free to do as they wish.  If they want to limit it to the religious Christmas and exclude the secular *Christmas,* some people might not want to shop in that kind of *exclusive* shop.  You can bet their profit margin is the bottom line for them.

For every religion out there, there are buildings:  churches, mosques, temples, etc. where like-minded people gather to worship.  Trying to control the very WORDS people say isn't going to work unless and until you guys figure out a way to implant a chip in every American that will force them to speak, think, believe and worship just like you do.  Maybe some of us think you'd do that if you had the ability, and maybe THAT'S the underlying thing that people are fighting.

That mental image HURTS.

I am so SICK of this man's lies.  Bush needs to get them straight.  When he said the following in 2004, he was clearly lying and KNEW IT, as we now all know.  I just wonder if there's ever been just ONE TIME in the last 5 years when he's actually told the truth.  Have you seen this?

Any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order, he said on April 20, 2004 in Buffalo, New York.

Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so, he added.

On April 19, 2004, Bush said the Patriot Act enabled law-enforcement officials to use roving wiretaps, which are not fixed to a particular telephone, against terrorism, as they had been against organized crime.

You see, what that meant is if you got a wiretap by court order -- and by the way, everything you hear about requires court order, requires there to be permission from a FISA court, for example, he said in Hershey, Pennsylvania.

I totally agree this absolutely reaches across the board.  This monster repeatedly raped this child for 3 years, but the damage he's done to her is going to affect her entire life.  How about putting him in jail FOREVER so he can't hurt anyone else???  I also wouldn't have a problem with the death penalty for animals such as this.

I've recently seen this judge on TV, actually defending his actions, as if there is a defense for them.  Thank God for Bill O'Reilly (I don't usually care for him) and Joe Scarborough and Dan Abrams (and others, I'm sure) who are publicizing this.  Hopefully, this judge will be removed soon so maybe more children won't suffer.  This judge, in my opinion, is just as guilty as the molester himself.

I sat here, trying to put myself in the parents' shoes, and I wonder how many parents will begin to feel that taking the law into their own hands and killing these rabid animals is the only way to keep their children safe in lieu of a judge that cares more about the criminals than their victims.  If and when that happens, I'm not sure I could blame them.

I've written to Vermont's governor, as well.  I'm glad so many people are writing and publicizing this issue.  It's the only way things will change.

Number one, despite what is so *obvious* to you, I do not hate my country.  In fact, I miss it very much.  And I don't hate Bush because I don't *hate* anyone.  When he took over the Presidency, I began my impressions of him on an even keel.  Slowly, bit by bit, he has corroded any good impressions I ever may have had of him with his constant lying, dirty tricks, contempt for the Constitution, total and complete refusal to admit that he is NOT PERFECT, blatant disregard for the security of our borders, presiding over an econmy where people can barely afford gas but oil company executives get richer and richer, etc., etc.  I truly and sincerely believe he poses a HUGE threat to the security of every American citizen.

Regardless of what the Iranian President (his name is Ahmadinejad, by the way) claims to have, they don't have the capacity to nuke anyone, but the USA does, and Bush has a ZERO record when it comes to diplomacy.  Again, both Bush and Ahmadinejad are whack jobs, and neither can be reasoned with.  I believe this is a very dangerous combination of two out-of-control egos, and the end of humanity could very well be imminent.  I'm not going to apologize for caring if my grandchildren might not have the opportunity to reach voting age in this country because of a president who doesn't care about his legacy because, when asked, he said Who cares?  We'll all be dead, anyway.  That statement, combined with his love of war, I find to be quite chilling.

As far as being *lost in my world,* I can see very clearly a President who is losing more and more credibility, not on a daily basis any more but on an HOURLY basis.  I have ZERO faith or trust in this man.  Again, contrary to your implied intimate knowledge of me, my brain, my heart and my soul, these aren't because of any preconceived notions I might have about Bush.  These are because the actions of Bush himself.  As polls are evidencing more and more each day, I'm not alone in my skepticism of him.

Regarding where I got the quotes, if you are genuinely interested, I would suggest you Google them.  You've already indicated an inclination to not believe them, so I'm not going to waste my time by going back to the multiple sources I found, simply to provide you with a link that you've already decided not to believe.  If your interest is sincere, you'll look it up. 

Regarding your response to my *shopping spree* statement, I'm sorry, but it didn't come across as a joke to me.  It sounded like a negative character judgment regarding someone who doesn't agree with you, which is a common Neocon MO from Bush and his cronies all the way down to the lowest peon on the totem pole who is convinced Bush is on his or her side. 

Likewise, you can't possibly know the extent of my intelligence since you don't know me, have never met me and aren't qualified to offer such an opinion.  Inherent in your assessment that I'm *not that stupid* is the notion that you feel I do possess a certain degree of stupidity, which leads me to your comment that I feel I have to *label everyone who disagrees* with me as *uninformed and unthinking.*  I respectfully point out that these *labels* are YOUR words, not mine, and I would challenge you to point to those words in my above post to you. 

Have a very pleasant day.

I try to get my information from a variety of sources.  These days, it's hard to find a completely neutral source.

The main thing I'm interested in is finding the truth, and it seems that the party with the most to hide is the least likely to provide it.

When Clinton was President, I listened to a lot of right-leaning news sources for the very same reason.  I thought the lack of respect Clinton showed in the Oval Office was terrible, and I was actually in favor of impeaching him for that.  I didn't buy into and agree with the notion that what he did in his private life was his business.  In my opinion, the Oval Office doesn't belong to the President; it belongs to every American tax-paying citizen. 

I voted for Ronald Reagan, and to this day, I still think of him as a wonderful President.  Historians may disagree with me on that point, and they may be right, because I'm obviously no expert in that field.  I even voted for George Herbert Walker Bush, so I'm not some hardline lefty who hates the United States, is godless and has no moral values.

(I just wanted to share a thumbprint of who I really am because some people want to crucify me on this board simply because they see my name and couldn't care less what I have to say.  You, on the other hand, have been posting here in a very respectful, intelligent manner, and I'm very appreciative of that and hope you continue to do so.  I'm beginning to look forward to reading your posts after the last day or so.)

I believe that many people were looking for a big change in the White House when they voted for George W. Bush.  I believe they wanted some sense of decency and honor restored to it.  I was one of those people.

When I look back at the thing Clinton did that I thought was so terrible, and I look at what Bush has done, I guess the only thing I can say to sum it up is what Jay Leno said in his monologue the other night:  At least Clinton only screwed one American at a time (I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist of it).

What amazes me the most about (what seems like) blind loyalty to Bush is that I wonder what they thought they were voting for, compared to what they got.  I thought Republicans (conservatives) were supposed to beiin favor of less spending, smaller federal government and fiscal responsibility.  After really disliking President Clinton, I actually feel that when it came to things important to the everyday lives of Americans, Clinton was a far better President.

I feel no sense of trust for President Bush.  I don't feel he is on the side of the average American.  I truly believe he wants to get rid of the middle class altogether, so the only ones left are the rich (who he referred to as his *base*) and the poor.

Whether he made the pejorative comment about the Constitution or not, he ACTS like he has no respect for it (as was also mentioned in the article).  There is truly no need any more for Congress, regardless of whether it's a Republican or Democratic Congress because it doesn't matter what laws they write, if Bush doesn't like it, he will simply issue a *signing statement* expressing that he will do what he wants, anyway.

We have a system of checks and balances for a reason, and he seems to totally disregard it.  To me, it's ironic that he seeks to search and destroy all dictatorships -- except the one that is of his own creation here in the United States.

There's a growing history of how he treats those who either tell the truth or simply don't agree with his policies.  He *Swiftboats* them.

There are many stories out there about the Diebold machines being rigged so that a certain political party wins.  I have a friend who voted on a Diebold machine that produced a paper receipt.  Sure enough, it reflected that she voted for the other party, when, in fact, she did NOT.

I'm completely against his views on immigration.  I believe we should have immediately tightened and secured ALL our borders after 9/11 and, at least for the time being, not allow ANYONE in.  Instead, we used that money to go to war with Iraq, not because Saddam Hussein was a threat but because Bush needed a war to insure a *successful Presidency.*  Did you know that the President's itinery was found by an ex-con in a trash can last week?  Why was that allowed to happen?

Did you know that part of his Iraq war spending includes a comphrehensive healthcare plan for every Iraqi?  Look at the healthcare system in the United States.  Shouldn't the healthcare for Americans take precedence over the healthcare of Iraqis?

Do I want our troops to come home?  You bet I do.  I believe the best way we can support them is to get them out of there. 

Having said that, I also believe we simply cannot *cut and run.*  We simply cannot go into a country and completely destroy and then leave without fixing what we broke.  I believe we morally owe it to the people of Iraq to leave their country in a better place than when we found it.  I wish democracy would have worked in Iraq INSTANTLY.  Then maybe Bush would have hopefully begun to worry about fixing the massive problems in his own country.  Having said that, I have serious doubts that a long-lasting democracy will survive in that region.  I believe that many of them view us as being evil and having no morals.  (I can't really disagree with this view, considering some of the things that go on in this country.)  I think Joe Biden had an excellent idea of dividing Iraq into three provinces (which is supported in the Iraqi Constitution). 

Instead, I believe this war was a whim, based on his own personal goals, without regard for one single soldier he sent to die.  To me, that is unforgiveable.

Should he be allowed to spy on innocent Americans during wartime?  I guess that depends on the definition of *innocent.*  I sure don't know any terrorists.  Heck, I don't even know my own neighbors.  But I have repeatedly expressed my disagreement with his policies, and I've read how innocent Americans whose only *sin* is disagreeing with this President, so I have no reason to believe that I won't find myself being *investigated* by some agency eventually, maybe even the IRS in the form of an audit or some other intimidating tactic that this President is so fond of using.

As far as the Democrats are concerned, I personally can't stand Hillary Clinton and would never vote for her (even if I DID live in a country where my vote actually counted).  I'm as disgusted with the Democrats as I am with the President. 

I'm not some Godless heathen without morals simply because I don't agree with Bush.  I very much believe in God.  In fact, I believe God has been sending Bush a series of *signs* that he has chosen to ignore.  What I don't believe is pushing my religion down everyone else's throats.  What I believe in most of all is tolerance and respect for everyone, regardless of their religious beliefs.  When one religion acts as if it is superior to all others, that concerns me and automatically forces me further to the left.  Freedom of religion in this country is a wonderful thing, and nobody's religion is better than someone else's (including those who simply don't believe at all).  Yet, the fallacy that all Democrats (or anyone else who doesn't believe in Bush) are godless heathens is alive and well.  Ann Coulter, who can't seem to remember her address and is under investigation for voter fraud (see http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002807.htm, complete with the complaining document) plans on releasing a book outlining evil devils (such as myself and other millions of Americans she's never met) on none other than 6/6/06.  I believe that one particular religion has no place in government.  Do I have a problem with *In God We Trust* on our money?  Of course not.  When the word *God* is used in a generic term, it's INCLUSIVE, not EXCLUSIVE.  But whether or not I can read it as I purchase a newspaper is irrelevant to what I feel in my soul and my heart.  I can assure you my morals are very high, and it truly hurts (thus turning to anger) when certain conservatives accuse people like me of being evil and Godless.  They say that most anger is the result of fear.  The times I'm most angry is truly when I'm the most frightened.  It's really hard to carry on a dialogue with someone who has labeled you so negatively, a sense of self-defense kicks in, and often arguments and more name-calling ensues, none of which is productive and all of which is hurtful and fruitless.

I'm sorry this is so long, but as I said, I enjoy reading your posts.  Although I don't know you or your political beliefs, you seem to be conservative.  You also seem to be intelligent and respectful and don't resort to personal attacks on posters, which is very refreshing on these boards.  I was just trying to give you some insight into who I am and the reason I don't like Bush.  In fact, I'm very frightened of him.

As I've said before, if I felt my President was honest, trustworthy, ethical and truly had the interests of ALL Americans foremost in his mind, I would have no problem at all with his obtaining lists of my telephone calls because I truly have nothing to hide, and if it saved one life, to me, it would be worth it.  I just don't trust him to do the right thing, and that isn't based on anything I've heard or read from any left-leaning media.  It's based solely on his own actions in the last six years.

I'm no far left-leaning whacko.  In fact, I'm truly a middle-of-the road kind of thinker.  I think there are a lot of us out there.  Speaking personally, it's just that the *righter* he goes, the *lefter* I automatically wind up, not because I voluntarily choose to, but because in order to maintain my original thoughts, that's where he pushes me.

I don't expect you to agree with me.  In fact, I fully expect you not to agree with me, and I hope you respond because I am very interested in hearing your views.  Again, I thank you for being respectful and not resorting to name calling.  You have opened the door to serious, honest and intelligent debate, and for that, I thank you.

I hope you have a wonderful weekend.

I hope you had an opportunity to read the article I posted before it was censored.  It certainly explains the few bad apples in an otherwise wonderful military and also answers the question you raised regarding the recruiting tactics. 

I have decided to lock this thread.  I do not believe the OP had bad intentions, but I do not like the direction in which this thread is going.

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Please watch your comments.  This is the second post of yours I have edited based on inappropriate remarks.  Let this serve as a warning to you.

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Your comments about race were inappropriate.  They were bound to offend, and it is best to leave those kind of remarks off this site.

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Thanks - its such a breath of fresh air to hear more people feel the same way I do. I'm am sick to death of her people trying to push her in the VP slot (which just is not going to happen) but seems thats all that's on the news just can't wait for it to end. If it does happen well they can be assured that McCain will definitely win. The Clintons should not be allowed anywhere near the white house. Don't people remember what they did the last time they were in there? I listen to the people who support her and think...why? there is not one good quality about that woman. People are saying she's a good role model for their children??? People think that someone who is a liar, cheater, thief, bribes people, gives people false hope, walks all over people not caring who she steps on just as long as she is on top, is a sore loser, not humble, has a foul mouth to match her attitude, is just downright nasty to people when she doesn't get her way, etc, etc, well I then question their character. Never mind all the people whose lives and careers have been destroyed because they went against the Clintons. And another thing they talk about the Clinton Dynasty or Clinton Legacy? I always thought a Dynasty was if you have a long line of people in the family who have been in politics (like the Kennedys). It is only the two of them. Nobody in their family is in politics or is decent. These two came out of nowhere and they've only done harm to the democrat party. They are tearing the party apart for their own personal gain and they don't care.

The portion that I edited were not statements made by Hillary Clinton.  Those statements were made by you.  They were aggressive and strange, to say the least, and those kind of comments have no place on this site.

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Well, it worked just as well for me during this occasion.  I think different people react differently, depending on the dosage, their tolerance, and how tired they might be.  It might work differently for you than it does for me.  Heck, it might (and does) work differently for ME, depending on the above.  I have an illness which may (and usually does) awaken me in the middle of the night.  If it's not too bad, I can take a pain pill and actually even be able to work a little.  (If it's hospital-worthy, then I slap on a Fentanyl patch, and once that enters my system, I'm usually out like a light for a couple days.  If that doesn't work, then it's back to the hospital again, which I try to avoid.)  However, when this stuff happens, I wind up in a backwards sleep cycle and wind up being awake all night.  This is what happened to me Friday/Saturday, and if you'll note, I began the post by stating I had been up most of the night. 

Secondly, it was not a two-hour nap.  Please read the post again and note the difference between 10:26 a.m. and 7:14 P.M. 

 If you can't stand the heat....Get out of the kitchen!

no soup.

Arf.