TO SbMT
Posted By: zoesnana on 2008-10-07
In Reply to: I'm not forcing anything - sbMT
SbMT:
I am very moved by what you have posted...I feel at times that we have become so jaded and cynical in this world - look at how we treat our brothers and sisters: Compassion is what reminds us, whether one is athiest or a believer, that we ARE all connected to one another, and we don't clean up our act; the price we are going to pay will be one that will taint generations to come..
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sbMT, you know what I think?
I believe the people who feel compelled to riducle people who have Faith are people to whom the Holy Spirit is speaking, they just refuse to listen. Otherwise, why would they care what we believe? Even Jesus said his Spirit would not always strive with men. I happen to believe it is never too late to accept Christ until we draw our last breath and we never know in which instant that may occur. I also believe at some point, if He is continually rejected, he will stop trying to speak to us.
"Religion" and Faith are, indeed to very different things. I have a particular distaste for televangelists and I also do not believe that ALL churches (having nothing to do with denomination) are of God, nor are all church members Christians. As well, I believe there are many true Christians who do not attend organized churches. By denomination I would call myself Methodist. Do I agree with everything? No. I go to church for one purpose and one purpose only, that is to praise God, worship Him and renew my spirit. It matters not to me what name is on the church door; there's one heaven (in my faith) and one hell. We will all live one place or the other for eternity. I would rather be ridiculed now than cast out in the final judgment. If when I'm dead I was wrong then no big deal but our spirits, I believe, will cry for those who were told and continued to call us fools for believing. The Bible says there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth. I believe this.
Ridiculed or not, I am praying for our nation, God save it.
sbMT
We are very much alike. I was raised in a Methodist church but not a very devout family. My first husband was Southern Baptist so I'm well versed. I do also believe in the Rapture, which belief, as you know, is that we won't be here during the worst of the tribulation. I'm not sure if I believe the Rapture will occur pre or mid tribulation. I do believe that we are in the beginning of the end and I, for one, expect Christ to return at any minute. There are those other things spoken of in the Bible as well...where it says people will scoff at us and continuing as usual. I always wondered about some things in Revelations, but remember where it says the world will experience a financial collapse and a man will rise up appearing to have the answers? Well, it seems to me that we are in a position for such to actually happen.
BTW my present husband was raised Catholic. He has not been a practicing Catholic for many years. He goes to church with me but more importantly, he believes that Christ died for his sins, past, present and future and accepts Him as his personal Savior as did my first husband. I look forward to being with both of them in eternity where we will not be husband and wife.
Matthew 24 http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Matthew+24 also gives us warning and we see those very things beginning to happen now..
to sbMT
Give me 3 reasons why McCain is more qualified to be the next president.
I can give you a lot of reasons why he should not be the next president:
His age
His temper
His running mate
His aggression
etc....
Obama is always polite, has style and class. He avoids pointing out McCain's mistakes; don't you think that Obama could also be aggressive if he wanted to? But he is too smart for that.
Not sbMT but...
1. He has integrity.
2. He has spent his life serving his country instead of serving his own narcissistic political ambitions.
3. He has a long history of working in a nonpartisan fashion to fix what is broken in Washington.
Reasons Obama should NOT be the next president.
His inexperience.
You can't vote "PRESENT" from the Oval Office.
His history of taking advice from left-wing radicals like Ayers and Wright.
His arrogance.
His nepotistic tendancies.
His lack of understand of global issues.
His inability to judge character.
Or, to quote JOE BIDEN:
"I think he CAN be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training."
for sbMT
I have to give you some credit here.
I suppose Obama can better sell his ideas and opinions to people. He is more credible and he sounds more sincere. It's his personality. I do not find him arrogant, actually the contrary. He is not an aggressor.
And, we all expect a president to have an EGO.
I also find Michelle more sincere, credible and knowledgable than Cindy.
Like everywhere:
'The message is not in the word, it is in the delivery.'
To sbMT
Other than I would rather see Obama be elected than McCain/Palin I agree with you 100%. I also agree that Obama came up pretty fast through the ranks. Whatever it is, it's pretty well-hidden or the pubs wouldn't have to resort to the garbate they're spitting out. I'm sure the dirt is there somewhere. On the other hand, McCain picked his running mate, not on what was good for America but was good for HIM...he thought.
What I have to wonder is what will it take to get Americans off their lazy butts to do something. We can either sit around and whine and blame Republicans/Democrats or we can CHANGE OUR GOVERNMENT. It's been done before and it can be done again when the American PEOPLE come together as they did in the few days after 9/11 and forget their political affiliation. Immediately after 9/11 I was yeaing Pres. Bush. Shortly thereafter I lost all respect for him. There is more to that Iraq war than any of us know and it ain't good!!!
We, the people, can change our government but it's going to take some drastic action. Remember the Revolution? When enough people say ENOUGH, then and only then will we see meaningful change.
Yea, sbMT
Even though we don't agree on which candidate will be the least of the worst, it is so heartening to read your no nonsense, common sense post. I'm sure there are many on this board who have the brains to actually think and move past the Republican/Democrat loyalty if they just put their minds to it.
You are so right there are crooks at the top and the bottom of the pile. IF Robinhood takes from the rich and gives to the poor I'm fairly sure the "trickle down" effect will work. They'll just trickle the extra taxes on down to the middle class or whatever is left of it and the middle class will also pick up on the tab for the career welfare people.
I am all for helping people help themselves. Much as I hate taxes, I would even be willing to pay a little more to help people help themselves. The welfare system is frought with dishonesty. I think those on the welfare rolls whose familiies have been there for generations should be told in no uncertain terms that they WILL get off their lazy butts and go to work or they simply will not eat or have a roof over their head at government expense. Help those who want an education to get it, maybe an internship or OJT for less skilled workers as not everyone is college material. Provide daycare while they are getting the education. Maybe when they are gainfully employed they could pay back at least part of the cost of getting their education. AND no welfare, food stamps, daycare, housing or anything else for anyone in this country illegally. Do away with the anchor baby thing. IMHO a child who is born in this country to illegal parents should have no rights of citizenship period.
And while I'm about it...another chief complaint.....those in prison. Put them to work making license plates or whatever and let them earn their keep. Might not be so many in prison if they had to chop rocks or whatever.
We have got to do something or we're all going to go down the tube!
Have a good day.
To sbMT
First, I hope you feel better soon. This seems the time for those nasty pre-winter ills to set in. I'm not feeling well this morning either, upset stomach and diarrhea...aaaaarrrg. Went to take a nap and had to get up post haste. LOL
Thanks for your common sense and thought provoking statements. As a Christian I have struggled with many issues and my biggest issue is that neither candidate, if either is a Christian, has done anything to convince me of that. Certainly McCain kicking his 1st wife to the curb for a younger, more beautiful woman with lots of money, I don't believe is something Jesus would approve of.
What we need is a true man of God, who is not afraid to stand up and proclaim his faith in Jesus Christ. Of course that won't happen.
I will not vote for John McCain because in my opinion he talks a talk that he doesn't walk. Not meant to start an argument.
To sbMT (from below)
Maybe if he "bared his fruit" we'd see more about him. LOL
I do love to argue doggone it but it seem like most people don't want to argue for the sake of solving anything, they just want everyone to believe as they believe.
I try to apply WWJD in everything I do but in this case I'm just stumped. Both men say they are Christians. Are they? I don't know. God knows and he isn't telling me. I can't see the fruit either of these dudes bear. They are politicians. McCain tells such blatant lies that I wouldn't believe a word he says. As for Obama, I am not convinced that he has lied, certainly not about McCain. McCain on the other had either tells lies or stretches the truth about Obama to the breaking point.
I DO NOT believe in abortion but my opinion is that we need to keep the big, fat government out of our personal lives. The beginning of the downfall was Roe vs. Wade, when was that, who was president then, wasn't it Reagan. The president as yet does not have the authority to enact laws all by himself I don't think.
I believe the last true Christian president we had was Jimmy Carter and look at him. He was ridiculed and ran out of the white house so obviously some people didn't like having a Christian in the White House. I'm sure there are Democrat Christians and Republican Christians. If there was a man or woman running for president that I felt strongly was a Christian I would vote for him/her in a heartbeat but liars aren't usually very good Christians so I will vote for Obama and hope he serves the country well. I cannot stomach 4 more years of George W. Bush. I simply do not buy that he was given "bad intelligence." He gave the American people a snow job and good ole McCain was right there by his side.
Thank you sbMT
I had myself a good laugh at my own thoughts and thought everyone else might lighten up a little if only for a little while.
sbMT
You need to re-read what I said.
Hey, sbMT
Missed you. Hope you ate enough pumpkin pie for me. I never get enough. LOL You didn't miss much, seems a lot of people have been missing.
Hey there sbMT sm
You didn't miss a great deal. I'm glad you had a good holiday. Man....wish I had some of that pumpkin pie!
SbMT-sm
If you listened to President Obama speech today you would have heard that people not behind on their mtgs but struggling to stay that way will also be helped by this foreclosure plan. That is where we (dh and I) are right now since we (MTs) are paid on production in this job and it fluctuates. One or 2 bad months at the most would put us over. I am going to wait until March 4 and then call my bank. It is one that got a ton of government money.
sbMT....that's me....
I'm also a poet :)
Let me try to answer you sbMT
I started this thread by addressing it to the pubs. We have been talking in terms of dems, crats and pubs for a while now. I mean no disrespect when using the term. If you do not identify yourself that way, it is not readily apparent in your post. I simply meant to address the issue of republican reform.
In any case, if you are a relative newcomer to the voting ranks, party independence is a good place to start. Here is a perspective from someone who IS aligned with the left of center field of the democrat party. He was NOT pandering to me, nor do I find Obama a party centrist either. He is pretty much representative of the wide range of views within his own ranks.
I do understand the trust issue you express, especially in view of how much that played into this current election's outcome. McCain really was working with an almost insurmountable obstacle in terms of the nation's ability to trust the republican party. If you are feeling that the shift to the left is too radical, you may want to consider what the driving force behind that shift is. Fear of 4 more years was much, much greater than any fear the right-of-center wing of the republicans were able to drum up.
Obama ran a brilliant campaign, particularly in terms changing the map colors from red to blue. My party spent much of the past 8 years not only bringing Bush's faults into the spotlight, but much, much hard work on the grass roots regional and local levels. We mobilized and activated ourselves. 2004 was a real blow and we had many hours of deep despair. It took a great deal of determination and hard work to simply pick ourselves up and keep on keeping on. If dems seem a bit euphoric at the moment, that would be the reason.
Look for that to dissipate rather quickly. We are also having to redefine our own party in response to YOUR generation of voters who seem very turned off by status quo and are looking for solutions rather than party alliances. I for one believe Obama understands that very well and between the two candidate choices, he is the one who will orient himself in that direction. He will be disappointing some of the more agenda driven democrats like myself, but will be making up for that by NOT pandering, rather knocking down barriers of division and opening up much broader dialogs aimed at compromise. If he fails to do this, his re-election will be in peril.
As a footnote, I would like to add that I am hopeful that Nancy Pelosi will not be reaffirmed as House speaker, despite the fact that some of the party sees her as the best thing since sliced bread. She is too old school and has not been effective in being a uniting force within the House. I truly believe we are about to witness the reinvention of Washington politics across the board and both parties will have to learn how to go with that flow if they are to survive.
I'm with you on the wait and see side of things. What I can say with great certainty is that this in this country undoubtedly will be taking a turn for the better and I am willing to settle for that for the time being.
sbMT, ain't that the truth! He isn't
the first African American president; he is the first mixed race president.
Thank you sbMT for this...but it is obvious no one...sm
pays any attention to any of this anymore. I think the true history regarding the founding of our country has been watered down and taken completely out of the history books in school. 
Thank you, sbMT. I knew the verse was in there
:)
Well, SbMT, since you seem to have the inside scoop
I sure would like to know which Georgia town you refer to. Since I live in Georgia (not from there, thank God), where I have personally seen billboards advertising the KKK in the past, I would appreciate a heads-up.
sbMT I pray the other poster will sm
have her spiritual eyes opened before its too late. Christians don't condemn people to he!!, folks send themselves to he!! by rejecting the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ.
Yes I did, sbMT. Posted this in the wrong spot.
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