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Sure thing....case closed. JM has character....

Posted By: ms on 2008-09-07
In Reply to: awww, don't want to go there so this thread - sm

Obama does not.

Just because someone does not come on after your final barb, doesn't mean I think you're right.

You are largely non-debatable anyway, and one-note choir.


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Berg Lawsuit Thrown Out - Case Closed
Judge rejects Montco lawyer's bid to have Obama removed from ballot

By MICHAEL HINKELMAN
Philadelphia Daily News

hinkelm@phillynews.com 215-854-2656
A federal judge in Philadelphia last night threw out a complaint by a Montgomery County lawyer who claimed that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was not qualified to be president and that his name should be removed from the Nov. 4 ballot.

Philip J. Berg alleged in a complaint filed in federal district court on Aug. 21 against Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya.

Berg claimed that the Democratic presidential standardbearer is not even an American citizen but a citizen of Indonesia and therefore ineligible to be president.

He alleged that if Obama was permitted to run for president and subsequently found to be ineligible, he and other voters would be disenfranchised.

U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick had denied Berg's request for a temporary restraining order on Aug. 22 but had not ruled on the merits of the suit until yesterday.

Obama and the Democratic National Committee had asked Surrick to dismiss Berg's complaint in a court filing on Sept. 24.

They said that Berg's claims were "ridiculous" and "patently false," that Berg had "no standing" to challenge the qualifications of a candidate for president because he had not shown the requisite harm to himself.

Surrick agreed.

In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg's allegations of harm were "too vague and too attenuated" to confer standing on him or any other voters.

Surrick ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."

The judge also said the harm Berg alleged did "not constitute an injury in fact" and Berg's arguments to the contrary "ventured into the unreasonable."

For example, Berg had claimed that Obama's nomination deprived citizens of voting for Sen. Hillary Clinton in November. (Berg backed Clinton in the primaries.)

Berg could not be reached for comment last night.

Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, and the campaign posted a document issued by Hawaii on its Web site, fight thesmears.com, confirming his birth there.

Berg said in court papers that the image was a forgery.

The nonpartisan Web site FactCheck.org examined the original document and said it was legitimate.

Further, a birth announcement in the Aug. 13, 1961, Honolulu Advertiser listed Obama's birth there on Aug. 4.

If that's the case, then one thing you might
the fact that Obama's opposition has had a much longer time, including the entire primary seasion (which seemed to last forever) to put him down and promote character assassinating rhetoric. SP, an unknown from out of nowhere, has been on the scene almost one week. Seems like it may be a bit premature to draw any hasty conclusions until a little more time passes. There is still much about her that is unknown. For me, that is a yellow caution light at best.
Your mind is closed.

I have no desire to talk to the likes of you.


And only those with completely closed minds would
Years ago, it might have seemed ridiculous and been dismissed as a conspiracy theory that there were terrorists living amongst us right here in the USA, learning how to fly our planes, and being groomed for YEARS to attack and kill us on 9/11. Based on that alone, I would not for one second put it past a crazed bunch to groom someone from birth to serve their purpose.

Things that make you go hmmmm....
No one is trying to change your closed minds...
we are discussing, just like you are. O, as you call him, is the candidate of change...right down the slippery slope further into socialism. That is change I DON'T believe in. No amount of spin on his part is going to change that fact.
Actually you are proving that YOU have the closed mind here - sm
You know absolutely nothing about me. I hate Survivor and so-called reality TV - nothing more than the dumbing down of America, as far as I'm concerned.

Actually I don't know much about Mr Icke; granted he may be a deep thinker, in some ways. However, I think he is slightly off-kilter for that single book / theory about the reptilians. Can we judge his credibility regarding other ideas because of that book? Yes? Unless he's just spouting theories to make some $$ off the gullible public?? Possible, no?

I'm actually quite a fan of conspiracy theorists and those who think outside the box (esp coverups, religion, war, etc, in these horrific days of Bush-Cheney domination).
Good...that hellhole should be closed down
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And...most of the shops are closed Saturdays
afternoon and Sundays.
Closed minds don't get nourished and thus can't grow. nm

Typical closed-minded, my-way-or-the-highway,
(which means, "Waste of Our Time").
Actually, I find YOUR post closed-minded
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With the President meeting with the Republicans in closed door talks to come to agreements,.....sm
find middle ground, listen to their concerns, and try to modify where needed? Condemn and Condemn, has a Republican come forward with an alternative package? George was handing out money o the banking pirates before he left office, remember?

Built into this plan, which is very complex, are social programs for schools, which are going down fast, health aid, food stamps for those who have lost their jobs and need to eat while looking for new jobs that Obama is tring to create, funds to build companies to work with alternative energy and green solutions to get us less dependent on foreign oil and stop poisoning our earth.....

There is no quick fix!!! Just like the Great Depression, it is going to take time to reap all the benefits from this package, but they are meant to be real, lasting jobs and benefits to our society, not a quick boo-boo bandaide,which is all that Bush could provide with his quickie tax rebates!!!! Take off the jaundiced glasses and blinders, forget party lines and affiliations, and just go to MSN or CNN and read the copious outlines there.
What does it say about a man's character when he...

stiffs folks on campaign bills when he steps out of the race?


 



FW: Joe Biden (You WON'T see THIS "reported"....ANYWHERE!!!)

I feel an obligation to honesty and truth to share with you some facts. My Father and Mother instilled in me the values and morals of treating people fairly and always being honest. If you purchase something, you pay for it. If you borrow something, you give it back.

I have been "stiffed" three times in my 30 year professional career by someone who I rendered services to, gave a finished product to, but who refused to pay for those services even though they acknowledged the services and products were correct, were what they asked for, and were never challenged for not being correct. I am lucky in having only three, but those three hurt badly.

Joe Biden was one of those people. I worked on his 1988 Presidential campaign financial disclosure engagement. I busted it for him and got everything right. He stiffed me for over $15,000 worth of work. He refused to pay once he dropped out of the race. I did similar Capitol Hill campaign financial disclosure work for Bob Dole, Pat Buchanan, and a Democratic candidate for Ambassador to New Zealand. All of those folks paid even though they lost the election or did not get the appointment. That type of work is very demanding and very tedious because your efforts are scrutinized by Congress. Biden did not care.

I am on the Board of Directors of a company that owns a majority position in a private jet management company in Northern Virginia. They manage jets for businesses and rich folks. They also charter planes to the public. This past winter John Thompson chartered over $250,000 worth of air time. He paid every penny.

Joe Biden, in his latest unsuccessful run for President, chartered over $150,000 worth of air time. He PAID ZERO. He continues to refuse to pay stating his race is over and he is out of money. He never once complained about his flights. Joe Biden is a rich man. He could pay.

Joe Biden is a liar and a cheat. I know it first hand. Character is what life is all about. Joe Biden is a man of bad character and sets a bad example for America.

I feel compelled to share this dark side of a man who asks for your vote and trust.

Best Regards,

Bruce D. Riddle, CPA, CFP
BDR Associates, LLC


 


This email went out 9-2.  Biden has now paid the bill.  Well go figure...LOL.


Character

Unless there is a new candidate, I see no character in any of the candidates.  The only one who gets any real sympathy from me is Joe Biden;  how horrible it must have been to lose a wife and a child in a terrible accident.


As for McCain, by his own admission, he was not faithful in marriage, yet we expect him to be faithful to those of us who are small time people that he doesn't even know?  I think not.


Yes, I read what McCain's ex-wife had to say about him.  I greatly admire and respect her for not bad-mouthing the father of her children.  I think many women would do well to follow her example.  But can anyone tell me with a straight face that the ex-wife, scorned and pubically at that, can remain a great fan of the ex-husband for any reason than out of love and respect for her children or perhaps for money?  No?  I didn't think so. 


Everyone thankfully is free to vote for whomever they wish.  I will not vote for a rat that ran out on his disabled wife.  Whether he did it for Cindy's youth and beauty or for her money, I don't know, but it surely advanced his political aspirations.  What I do know is that I would not like to see such an immoral man in the White House.  Is Obama any better?  I don't know.  His administration might be worse than McCain's but I'll take a chance on him by voting, not FOR him but AGAINST John McCain.


Character
Honestly I think McCain has less character than Obama but then I respect your opinion.
At least she has character.........unlike some
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character is not an "issue" to them. Well, it is
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One word: Character....nm
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What does it say about a candidate's character

 


1.       Dumps his crippled wife and mother of his children to have affair with wealthy heiress, then turns around to apply for marriage license before his divorce is final. 


2.       Calls his wife C-word.


3.       While speaking at a biker's rally, volunteers his wife as a contestant in the "Miss Buffalo Chips" topless modeling contest, including it's legendary banana competition.


4.       Tries to blame his wife for the Keating 5 scandal when it becomes public.


5.       Screams at and thoroughly humiliates a young pub volunteer who set up his podium at a rally.


6.       Jokes about ape rape and killing off Iranians with cigarettes and "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb."


7.       Describes Arizona's elderly as "seizure world."


8.       Throws temper tantrums, punctuated with the casual use of the F-word. 


9.       Calls fellow senators Aholes and sh-heads. 


10.    Ignites a culture war to get elected. 


11.    Questions the patriotism of his opponent and fails to renounce his supporters who question his faith, endlessly insinuate he lies about it and portray his wife as a militant with hidden agendas to stage a socialist/Black Power takeover of the country.


12.    Embraces endorsement from a pastor who disparages Catholics, women, African Americans, Muslims and LGBT Americans, believes that Hurricane Katrina was punishment from God because "New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God," announced a "slave sale" at the church to raise funds and believes that "the coming nuclear showdown with Iran is a certainty,"


13.    Overlooks the Bush-Rove campaign strategy of unleashing a landslide of racist attacks on him, including calling his own daughter an illegitimate half-black love child, turns around in 2004 to campaign for W's second term, throughout it all supported 9 out of 10 of his disastrous policies that has brought the nation to it knees and then embraces Rove as senior campaign adviser in 2008. 


14.    Stood silently by while fellow war hero/veteran John Kerry was swift-boated without mercy. 


 


Before any rebuttal ensues that would seek to deny, dodge and deflect, keep in mind that character assassination has been a benchmark of JM's campaign and of his supporters, so no whining allowed.  Finally, this is legitimate inquiry, given that 90% is striving so diligently not to be 90% and has hawked character as his main qualification for presidential leadership. 


Simple ? What does it say about a man's character when he

1.       Dumps his crippled wife and mother of his children to have affair with wealthy heiress, then turns around to apply for marriage license before his divorce is final. 



2.       Calls his wife C-word.



3.       While speaking at a biker's rally, volunteers his wife as a contestant in the "Miss Buffalo Chips" topless modeling contest, including it's legendary banana competition.



4.       Tries to blame his wife for the Keating 5 scandal when it becomes public.



5.       Screams at and thoroughly humiliates a young pub volunteer who set up his podium at a rally.



6.       Jokes about ape rape and killing off Iranians with cigarettes and "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb."



7.       Describes Arizona's elderly as "seizure world."



8.       Throws temper tantrums, punctuated with the casual use of the F-word. 



9.       Calls fellow senators Aholes and sh-heads. 



10.    Ignites a culture war to get elected. 



11.    Questions the patriotism of his opponent and fails to renounce his supporters who question his faith, endlessly insinuate he lies about it and portray his wife as a militant with hidden agendas to stage a socialist/Black Power takeover of the country.



12.    Embraces endorsement from a pastor who disparages Catholics, women, African Americans, Muslims and LGBT Americans, believes that Hurricane Katrina was punishment from God because "New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God," announced a "slave sale" at the church to raise funds and believes that "the coming nuclear showdown with Iran is a certainty,"



13.    Overlooks the Bush-Rove campaign strategy of unleashing a landslide of racist attacks on him, including calling his own daughter an illegitimate half-black love child, turns around in 2004 to campaign for W's second term, throughout it all supported 9 out of 10 of his disastrous policies that has brought the nation to it knees and then embraces Rove as senior campaign adviser in 2008. 



14.    Stood silently by while fellow war hero/veteran John Kerry was swift-boated without mercy. 



 



Before any rebuttal ensues that would seek to deny, dodge and deflect, keep in mind that character assassination has been a benchmark of JM's campaign and of his supporters, so no whining allowed.  Finally, this is legitimate inquiry, given that 90% is striving so diligently not to be 90% and has hawked character as his main qualification for presidential leadership. 


character issue

McSame was unfairly attacked by Bush machine when they ran in primaries together.  Bush people insinuated he had a black child out of wedlock.  They even claimed he was mentally unstable due to his time as a POW.  McSame was deeply wounded by the attacks.  But now he is willing to use same diversion techniques against Obama.  That, my friends, speaks of the character of the man.


 


McCain's Character ...sm

Found this comment on McCain.  I guess he just so desperately wants to win.  How many of his former friends and supporters have said lately that they don't recognize him anymore? 


“Character”


John McCain says this election is about character – and he‘s right.

In the 2000 presidential race the Bush campaign – led by Karl Rove – viciously attacked John McCain’s wife and child – they said his wife was a drug addict and that the child he and his wife adopted from an orphanage was actually his illegitimate Black daughter. On election night, his wife was in tears.


Back then, McCain was disgusted. He said there was “a special place in h*ll” for rumormongers like these people. He made a promise to his family and to his supporters that he would never run a dirty campaign like that. Never.


But early this year John McCain hired Charlie Condon, the very same man who was behind those vicious smears to run his South Carolina campaign. And then several weeks ago he brought Steven Schmidt - leading protégé of Karl Rove and master of the political hit job - on board to be his campaign manager and write the talking points for the new negative campaign against Barak Obama.


It’s sad to watch, McCain’s willingness to humiliate himself by hiring the same gang of people who horribly insulted him and his family. It shows that he has become so desperate to win this election that he is willing to sacrifice his principles and his personal honor in order to do it


Let’s face it. A real man would have said to those people – “Get the h*ll out of my office before I throw you out” the minute they walked in. A person would not have to be a tough guy like John Wayne to say that. A gentle, decent man of character would have told them the same thing.


But what did John McCain say about Bush’s dirty politics gang?


He said: “I had to get over it … it was a long time ago”


It’s sad, genuinely sad
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John McCain – he’s no longer the man he used to be.


I don't think character (or lack of it)...

...is restricted to one political party.


Whether this crook is a Democrat or a Republican, he should be tossed in jail and the keys thrown away.  Period.


I am voting for someone who has character. nm
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Character? Have you done any research at all...
about how quickly he rose through Chicago politics? The Daly machine? The people he has dealth with? His 20-year association with black liberation theology? He admitted in his own book he went to socialist conferences and was "exposed" to Marxist literature. None of this really matters to you? Is the United Socialist States of America (sounds suspiciously like the USSR, does it not?) what you really want? If so...vote enthusiastically for Obama. How any thinking person can ignore all this boggles the mind...but of course, it has happened in other countries (Cuba, Venezuela...Russia...), it can happen here too.

No way, no how, could I be any part in putting that man in the White House, especially with a Democratic majority in the Congress.

We would be hosed...all of us...and partly at the hands of our countymen/women. Ironic, doncha think?
No, I just pay attention to character, not
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Character questions

We all know that we can go back and forth on which candidate is the best for our country. We also know that when running for president candidates can promise a lot.  Since it is not possible to know how each candidate's economic, tax or any other policy will turn out until they are actually in office, I will be basing my vote on how they feel about moral issues, i.e. marriage, abortion, etc. Each candidate has a platform/an agenda they will be pushing once elected.  Their platform can be seen on the internet by googling 2008 Democratic Party Platform or 2008 Republican Party Platform. There is some very interesting stuff in there. Check it out.


Speaking of character...

Just because a Georgia congressman needs some publicity (like a 2-year-old, bad attention is just as good as good attention) and says something stupid, people jump all over it.


There are whackos in Congress, just as there are in the general public.  A perfect example is Michele Bachmann who trashed Obama on national television, and when she saw it backfired on her, she quickly produced a commercial saying some nonsense about her words not always coming out right but her heart being in the right place.  (And then she blamed the host of the show for tricking her into saying these outlandish things.)


After the election, she then went on to do a 180 and issued the statement below.


After suggesting that Barack Obama had anti-American views in an exchange three weeks ago with MSNBC host Chris Matthews, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) told Politico Thursday that she was "extremely grateful that we have an African-American who has won this year." She called his victory "a tremendous signal we sent."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/06/bachmann-praises-obamas-w_n_141922.html


 


I would not call that a lack of character...

I would actually call it strong character that she can praise Obama's win even though she feels he has anti-American views.  So that is her opinion, as many of us here feel.  


Not laughing. Bush has more character than
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Speaking of character. It should matter, but
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Those who assassinate the character of people they've never met

only succeed in illuminating their own shortcomings.


I won't be responding to you any more.  It's pointless.  You're not here to debate.  You're here to insult.


Have a lovely evening. 


That's right Character matters, meanwhile MQ puffs on W's cigar

Yep, W is his goooood buddy. They be bestest of friends. Gives him big ole bear hugs. Nice to see McSame in the saddle.


Don't you wish ? Issue is character, trust, loyalty and
What about the rest of the list. Again, question is what does this kind of repeated behavior spanning ?many years say about a man's character, especially one who now implores a nation to admire his character, trust his judgment, believe he is loyal to his porported "cause" and that he respects women...the votes he now seeks
Yeah, I don't trust Obama's character
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being a POW shaped him, but character, integrity and judgment
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President Bush's strength of character.....sm
was tested this weekend, when two shoes were hurled at his head in fast succession, while the owner of said shoes, (size 10, by the way, per our prez), had hoped they would hit him, not to mention embarass with the intended podiatric insult.

However, President Bush showed great strength of character in the aftermath of said attack, calling off the secret service, and making light of the matter.



And not to mention, lightning quick reflexes.



Kudos to you, Mr. President. I salute you.
LOL! "Bush's strength of character", now that's funny.
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This speaks volumes about the character of the man who would be president

Bush has more character in his pinky finger than
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What kind of man of character calls Chelsea Clinton
Looks like JM thinks family is fair game as long as it's dem family. Obama does not go down that path.
My vote is based on issues, -include character.nm
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Trusting Obama's character. That is a huge problem
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You dare speak of character. Open your eyes to
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Well, I've heard and read he's a pretty rough character
much less a peace prize candidate. In all seriousness, enlighten me as to what he's done to deserve a peace prize? I can only assume it's because of his socialistic practices that seem to now be a pre-requisite for being a peace prize candidate...
she looked like the whack-a-mole character during that "speech" the other night..
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I think it shows character on Obama's part and I pray for her comfort and healing if that is God&
and for comfort and peace for her family.
But valuing over the price of a dollar is a right thing wing thing, so you are on the wrong board. n
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get off my case
Did it irk you that I asked AG to post here?  Did it get you so upset that you had to repost a previous post?  For pete sake, what is your problem?  You are filled with hate, absolute hate and anger.  You need to chill.  When you disagree with someone, you continue on and on and on and on, never letting up with the other person.  GET OFF MY CASE.  If my posts enrage you as so obviously they do, DO NOT READ THEM.  You are so whacked out that you state I would chain myself to the WH with explosives.  When I read that, I just about coughed up the soda I was drinking I could not believe any sane person would post something like that.  As much as I know you are an angry person, no doubt with rage in your heart, I would NEVER EVER think that of you or post something so evil like that about you.  Now, Im saying good bye to you as its obvious through you posts over time you cannot post to me without attacking me, so skip my posts, delete them and MYOB when it comes to me and my opinions. 
I second Kam's why. I also don't believe that that will be the case s/m

If you are looking at the primary turnouts, record numbers are turning out on the Democrat side, and on the Republican side fewer are turning out than did in 2004 and 2000, and if that trend continues it bodes well for whatever Democratic candidate ultimately gets the nomination. Also, should that candidate be Hillary Clinton, what candidate on the Republican side is, for lack of a better word, sweeping the voters off their feet, whether with agenda or personality? McCain? Huckabee? Romney?, which one?


Actually, the only two candidates that I think have the qualities of real zeal and enthusiasm are Barack Obama and Ron Paul.  Ron Paul isn't going to get the nomination, Obama may or may not, and if not, if the Democrat turnouts remain high, and in general the country truly wanting a different direction, they are going to elect a Democrat this time, and if it is Clinton she will be elected, even if she has no more zeal or charisma than Huckabee, McCain or Romney.


That's what I think anyway.


 


Just in case.
You accused me earlier of being a racist and posting racist posts. I challenged you to find one post I did and you can't find one. You tried to use something I said after you accused me. I also read through all my posts and there are no racist remarks. When I referred to Michelle not talking like a black woman I was referring to your typical stereotyping us because we don't always talk or write the way you think all black people do. You stereotype and assumed I was white because why, I didn't talk like my friends? I'll say it again. Michelle Obama is one classy lady.

You know one thing I was taught growing up is if I'm ever wrong to at least have the decency to say I'm wrong and am sorry, but I guess not everyone is like that.

You are just wrong.