Stop tip-toeing around your judgements, just spit it out...nm
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What is the difference between the two judgements?...sm
You have judged that he has not made any mistakes and *even if he did, they won't keep him out of Heaven.
Others judge that he has not repented and *will not make it to Heaven* (even though I have not read that here).
Really, and I am thinking this is the point you are trying to make (though I can't tell from what I'm reading), is that no one knows his outcome. Just the same one can not assume that he is right with God. What I hate to see is people use God as a front for their wrongdoings.
That's exactly it......everyone tip toeing around
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I heard that this morning too and almost spit out my coffee. sm
But here is my take on it... more birth control mans less children, less children means less people to support. With not as many people to support, the more money the gov't gets to keep.
Makes you want to spit nails doesn't it?
This whole AIG thing sucks. The fact that those contracts for bonuses were slipped in just makes me sick. All I know is that if they hadn't rushed the voting, they might have caught this. Now what are they going to do, break the contract? Can they legally do that? I wonder what else we are going to find that was slipped in without us realizing it. This is such a mess. Makes me just want to scream. It was originally said that Dodd was the one who slipped that in there and now that is being denied like crazy. So I don't know who is to blame for this, but we should string them up when we find the jerk! This is why I hate all politicians! They are nothing but a bunch of friggin liars who are sneaky. Snakes in the grass....that is what they are.....both pubs and dems......just snakes in the grass.
Because they are Democrats....and toeing....
the party line (congressmen) or Republicans who hate McCain. Not a one among them, I would be willing to bet, if you hooked them to a lie detector, would not get past the do you really think he would be a good President...lol Don't really think congressmen are the best judges...their approval rating is lower than Bush's. NO offense...just sayin.
She certainly has more experience toeing the DNC line...
I would agree with that. she served how many years on the ethics committee and has called for the heads of Republicans, but with Barney Frank under legal investigation she will not remove him from his committee seat. That kind of "experience" I can do without. Did she also not support John Murtha calling our marines murderers? That kind of "experience" I don't want. I would say that she definitely has more than Obama. Perhaps she should be on the ticket. You continue to want to say if I was truly Independent...look. I like Sarah Palin because I like her credentials and I like her record. I like her bucking her party. Pelosi does not do that. I like her cutting back on earmarks. Pelosi does not do that. I do not trust anyone who puts party first, especially with this debacle going on right now with the economy. You can have all the "experience" in the world, but if you are wrong-headed to start with, what does that matter? I am sick of Washington politics as usual. SICK. And Pelosi represents exactly what I am sick OF.
I will concede of course that Pelosi has more years in government. I should perhaps have said qualifications instead of experience. Barney Frank has more years than her, but I don't think he is more qualified either, for obvious reasons.
I will not stop trying to stop the slaughter of the unborn in this country...
I never said you were a stupid wretch. What I said was, if you can watch that video below and not feel something, your heart must be seared over. If you can watch that video and advocate what you advocate, yes, I'm sorry, I find that cold. I am entitled to my opinion and all your ranting and name calling and belitting is not going to change that. Someone needs to speak for the child. You certainly aren't allowing it any rights, including the right to live. You are okay with that, I'm not.
So when the terrorists come, you'll just say STOP or I'll say STOP again? nm
Please stop it. I know what you are doing. sm
You really are pretty transparent. gt said she did not know any socialist Jews. Please just post my reply and not her post because that makes it look especially bad on me. Very transparent. I was pointing out that of course, there are socialist Jews. The rest of your argument, if you have one, is moot, as you are making absolutely no sense whatsoever! Unless baiting people is something you enjoy, which I can see is true.
It won't stop.
He will continue to violate the Constitution because he is arrogant and has no respect for the law. And I agree that what Clinton did pales a lot in comparison to the ongoing arrogant lies and legal violations of Bush. I hope someday enough people wake up in this country and stop him before he can do any more damage to this country and to the world. :-(
She will stop at nothing
What she is trying to do is "buy" the office. What I don't get is there are so many good women who should run. I can think of at least 20 of them I'd vote for if they were running for President, but Where are all of them? Why is that thing in there. I wish she would crawl back in the hole she crawled out of. She is nothing but a power hungry pathologic liar who is a socialist (that is a plain and simple fact, she's just good at covering it up). Everyone knows what she was like as first lady - why anyone would want that thing in there again is beyond me.
I'm all for a woman president - just not THAT woman.
If the dems have any chance of winning the white house back she is not it. I'm reading tons of posts on different sites saying that if she beats Obama, no matter how much they hate McCain they will vote for him just so she won't get in. I hope the dems wake up.
Stop. sm
First of all the c story that he called his wife is a made up lie. It makes for a nice story though. His daughters are crazy about him. Why do you say such things? If you don't like him, fine, but let's stick to the facts. I don't like him either, but I have a lot of reasons that are real and not gossip.
just stop it!
nm
WTH!!! Stop doing that!!!
Shelley this is not me doing this. Someone is just being stupid. I'm sick and tired of other people trying to post like it is me and it isn't.
FYI.....Chele is just pronounced like shell. No Shelly.
will it ever stop?
first the bailout, now Calfornia wants a personal bailout......how much more money will have to be dished out. I truly wish that the culprits who pocketed money and ran wall street into the ground would be investigated and held accountable. We all would still have to pay for their greed but it might make me feel a bit better if they actually had a consequence to all this instead of walking away with a buttload of money while we foot the bill.
oh stop it - NM
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Let's Stop.
The election is over. The results are in. Whether you are pleased or displeased with the results, it is time to show some class. Gloating is not attractive or very mature either nor is continuing to bemoan all of the dire predictions. I Both Senators Obama and McCain have said it is time for Americans to come together, to work together. How about starting here and now. McCain offered a very gracious speech. Can't we follow that fine example no matter what our personal feelings might be? Let us all behave with some class. We need to deal with the government we have and put our efforts into making it work as best possible instead of childish gloating or incessant complaining. Let's put our considerable energy and knowledge to a constructive purpose and just stop behaving so badly!
Where does it stop?....sm
I've refrained from posting about any of these so called bailouts, ever since they passed the 700 billion one, that all of a sudden, is not wrong and not going to be used for what they were going to use it for.
In the beginning, I was one of those who thought the sky would fall, if they didn't do the bailout on the financial institutions. But then they took the three page bill, and turned it into a bad dream, which got squelched...then it became a nightmare, and became larger...and was passed....and now...now.....
In between some of the auto companies got a bailout....now they want more.....now cities/states, and everyone wants a piece of this action...
arrrrgggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
Let the gosh durn big three fold....let em go under and file for bankruptcy. This isn't about the three auto companies and a bailout for them.
It's a bailout for the union. And along the way, they will make all the other auto makers turn union....
And what scares me the most? The government now owns our financial institutes. If they do the auto bailout, they will own the auto industry.
Where will it end.................
Big and bigger government seems here to stay.............
You really need to think for yourself and stop
getting your words from your TV. Now, Scooter Libby, I really don't care for the man but our troubles with the middle east and everything else that we find ourselves in came about long before Bush. You need to go back several decades, while we constantly implant ourselves in middle eastern affairs and provide them with weapons to fight one against another, just to have them turned around and use those very weapons on us.
If you feel Bush is the reason for all our woes, then when we are attacked again, then we should blame Obama for that, right? After all, he's about the biggest Muslim butt kisser I've seen in a loooong time!
Just Stop!
Do you guys just run around the internet looking for stuff to copy/paste on here? What is your point? We all read articles and watch the news and have our sides. Do you guys think you are going to change the world by pasting stuff on MTStars? Total losers! Go out and do something real if you want to change the world. This isn't helping anyone.
Just Stop!
DITTO!!! It's not bad enough it is all over the TV, we have to see it here too. Plus, shouldn't that be on the political board?
Did you ever stop to consider
the many lives that were saved by taking out these people? Or would you rather many more Americans be subjected to events like 9/11? How many people did we lose in one day on 9/11? Yet so many people want to cry and whine over how we should be nice to terrorists and treat them fairly. They would sooner cut our heads off than be civil but OMG...don't torture them to get information that might save American's lives. How horrible would that be? I have no problem with covert operations taking out dangerous people. In fact, it makes me feel safer knowing that these terrorists aren't going to hurt anyone anymore.
Our government under Obama is getting bigger and bigger and government is controlling more and more things and you are worried about Cheney giving orders to take out terrorists? I tell ya what....I felt a heck of a lot safer back then than I do now. The idea of government controlling what I do....is scary as heck and yet all you guys can focus on is how Bush and Cheney kept us safe after 9/11 but you turn it around to be a bad thing. You people are friggin amazing, you know that? What a load of crap.
Please stop...
with the "two people who love each other" baloney already. We're talking about 2 men who sodomize each other and 2 women who commit abnormal sexual acts together because they can't stand men. You don't have children or you wouldn't feel that way.
Will you PLEASE stop
Get a hobby - preferably one that gets you out of the house.
Did you ever stop to think...(sm)
that maybe the neighbors got tired of dodging the cars that were reportedly spilling out into the cul-de-sac where they lived? I think the inconvenience this places on the neighbors should be viewed no differently than the inconvenience of having a teenage party next door EVERY week.
Why should the law stop
recognizing "marriages" just because gay people declare this to be fair to them? I just think it is sad that something that has always been recognized legally should be undone just for a small group of people. If you want civil unions with benefits...fine. More power to you, but why can't you just leave us alone and let our marriages be like they have been for years? Why must we change to accomodate few people? Why must we always compromise and bend things to accomodate this increasingly secular world?
You can have abortions but you can't refuse to perform them. You can't pray in school or say anything about God in school so we don't offend the non-believers but by all means allow homosexuality be taught to young children as an acceptable thing even though not everyone feels that way......and as evident by the vote in CA...the majority doesn't agree with it!!! Now you want marriages to not be recognized legally because that isn't fair to gay people and for us to have marriages, we must first have a civil union and then get married by our pastor because it would make the gay community feel better. Do you not see a pattern here?
If you would stop your blathering for one second SM
you might actually see what someone is trying to say. Which they did say up above and now you look like a fool.
stop with the bigotry
I never hate or love because of a persons income..It is what they give back to society and the earth that matters..Frankly, I have heard the republicans hate and fear the poor and lock themselves away in gated communities so they dont have to deal with reality..So which bigoted opinion is true..NEITHER..OMG..Stop with the generalizations, the hate filled bigoted attacks..We democrats/liberals do not hate any one type of person..frankly, from what I have seen, experienced and learned over my 30+ years of democratic activisim, we dont hate anyone..we just want peace and prosperity for America and a fair chance for all, whether you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth or not..
Will you please stop posting this over and over again?
Can you not think of anything ORIGINAL to say (something meaningful obviously a bit too much to ask). This is a discussion board after all - what's the problem with replying to the CONTENT of a post once in a while instead of simply attacking those who dare to express a thought?
And before you get your hackles up over what a hypocrite *I* am (usually #2 on the Hannity rules for lackeys wishing to defuse meaningful discussion in favor of creating irresponsible chaos - are you there yet?) let me remind you, there wasn't any content IN your post to reply TO. So would you please cut that out?
then stop replying
I won't agree with you, so I guess that is why this conversation is going nowhere. Yes, these rabbis (and good old Ben Stein) can chose to be anti-abortion (easy for them, they will never be pregnant), but I certainly believe there are MANY MORE rabbis and Jews that will maintain their pro-choice stance regardless of this little meeting (which we did not even here about in our 5000 member congregation).
The protesting will not stop...so yes...sm
If the war is something they believe strongly in then they will have to serve and ignore the protestors. If they are stuck on contract, they will have to serve and pray that the protesting works in their favor.
There is a divide in this country and both sides deserve to be heard.
Can you stop with the name calling please?
The moderator asked that we be respectful, and "ignorant conservatives" is far from that. Branding a whole group of people based on the way one person posts shows very little tolerance on your part. I thought liberals were supposed to be tolerant and believe in the rights of EVERYONE...EVEN...GASP...OH NO...conservatives!!! You do not sound very tolerant and you walked ALL OVER this poster's rights. I guess it is a case of Do as I say...not as I do? It kinda makes any statement or point you wished to make here ring very hollow...at least in this ignorant conservative's view.
Can we stop with the name calling?
Just because you do not agree does not make the poster ignorant. Condescending, to say the least.
Obama's message of empathy is redistribution of wealth. Socialism 101. Why do you think because someone has been successful that obligates them to pay more than anyone else? If you check on a lot of those so-called rich, they give more heavily to charitable organizations, establish foundations, etc. They don't horde it all and count it daily and laugh maniacally because they have it and you don't. Class envy is a nasty, nasty thing.
Why not a flat tax? Ten percent across the board, we ALL pay it. THAT is fair. The rich already pay over 90% of ALL taxes in the coffers. Even THAT is not enough for you.
Perhaps Obama could keep his girls out of camp one year and put that 10 grand toward helping some of the less fortunate. Let him lead by example. Ah...but don't hold your breath. And it is not just Obama...any Dem. Lead by example...cut them a check every month, right of the top of your wages.
It is very naive to suggest that corruption resides only on the republican side. The Clintons have run corrupt administrations from Arkansas right on up. I refer you to the hail mary pardons, travelgate, whitewater, and on and on and on and on. If you are going to accuse, you should accuse across the board.
Another very naive point..stopping nuclear proliferation. It is NOT going to happen. It cannot happen. For it to happen, all parties have to be on board. Russia will never surrender its nukes. Iran will never surrender its nukes. If Israel ever surrenders it's nukes, they have signed their death warrant. Can we not be realistic about this??
Why not? He can't stop the storm.
The individual people did not prepare. They are the only ones accountable. The national guard and disaster medical assistant teams are always staged close by. It was so weird after Katrina listening to the politicans and leaders criticize FEMA because FEMA already does so much. FL has had soo many storms and FEMA was never criticized like it was with Katrina! It's just the opposite they are happy when they hear it was made a federal disaster becuase they know FEMA will help.
The government can't make people use their brains and store water, grandola bars and life jackets.
If people ignore warnings they are to blame. What is very sad is for the elderly and disabled. If healthy able bodied people don't take care of themself they obviously are not checking on their elderly family and friends who are the most vulnerable.
The government has things set up like the NHC and the AF hunters to provide us warnings.
Katrina was hurricane during hurricane season in a city by the Gulf. They acted like the people in a hostage situation with no warning.
I think the RNC should go on with occasional references to prayers and good wishes to those in the storms path. LOL it will give us something to listen to on the radio. :) There is so much waiting waiting waiting it would be nice to listen to.
There isn't anything anyone can do anyone, once the storm starts. When it's over unless Bush is going to drive a clean up truck to help clear the roads so the utility crews can start working there is no reason for him no be here immediately. I am sure he is not experienced with that and would injure himself. The best thing anyone can do is stay home immediately after the storm and let the roads clear. Then Home Depot can open and the National Guard will set up water and MRE stops. If Bush showed up four or five days later that would be nice for moral. He should address the people listening on the radio during and after the storms just to give encouragement.
Really, sam. Just stop. Even to people that
it's starting to wear thin. I hope this isn't all you think about or have to do because this will all be over in two months and then what?
Then stop stalking me. Not about you, either.
nm
Then STOP going back and forth!
No one is asking you to or even cares!
still stalking....stop please. nm
nm
still stalking. stop please. nm
nm
If you'd stop responding, so will the OP.
The more you carry on with posters like this, the more they will continue.
Moderator
Stop using LOL...that's someone else's name, dammit. nm
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There's no way we can stop this? This is absolutely (sm)
ridiculous and I'm ready to throw up again. I am absolutely sickened by this crap.
They sold us out down the river, including my state's 2 senators (and I'll remember that on election day)..
McCain and Obama. ...I have a feeling the 2 just mentioned did not even read this pork-filled bailout version. If they did, they also sold us out.
Time for a revolution.
Why doesn't the government put the names who added this pork to the bill so we can kick them out come election time?
Where it the golden parachute rule that was supposed to be in there?
Why aren't they kicking out BF, NP, Dodd, etc.?
I feel like we have no say at all in this government anymore and whatever they want, they do. I'm ready to move to another country, but jeez, where to go?
Stop shouting.
nm
Oh, stop that garbage!!!
You obviously do not pay attention to anything that really happens for the low income earner. Most income earners period do not want any help from the government. Those would be the ones who try to live within their means, do not feel "entitled" and strive to do better, and push their children to get an education, better themselves, and be good people.
Now, those that do very little, work as little as possible, get nice brand new housing, which they destroy in a few years, nice HUGE wrought iron fences put around their big old compound of new homes and condos, while the rest of us do without home repairs because we don't get freebies. Those poor folks have vehicles much newer than mine sitting in front of those apartments/condos/single residence homes which is a big question to me considering someone with that expensive of a vehicle should not be able to be on "public housing" in the first place. They then go to free healthcare at the same places everyone who actually pays their way goes. They get free lunches for their children, which thank the Lord they do, because so many of their parents are too lazy to cook a meal in the first place or even bother to be home when the children get home from school, because they got mothers are running the streets and daddies knocking up somebody else. I have bothered to help children whom I know are being neglected and I hate they have to live in that garbage, but it is not their fault; they are only children.
But to knock someone down who has strong feelings about all the freebies Obama wants to give and give to those who pay no taxes in the first place....get over yourself. He has no right. We give to the tune of millions as it is and believe me, I see where my money goes and it is an unappreciated luxury for many of those in my town.
People in the income bracket of an MT will not be footing the bill!! Are you in a delusional state? Of course they will be. Every MT isn't single; they do have other income with a spouse and believe you me, there are plenty that will be sucked dry.
THe MAJORITY of middle-class jobs in this country will be GONE, GONE, GONE!!! They cannot afford all the mandates Obama was to place on them. They live a very modest life in the first place just to employ others and provide a service. You blabber on about who it WON'T hurt, yet you are clueless. You've got your mind stuck on heavily on the "rich", thinking that anyone who makes more than you must be "rich" and therefore, we should PUNISH them for doing better than you. Those mean 'ole guys who got a college education, worked their butts off to move ahead, and strived to have more. Who the heck do they think they are?
I know many of those middle-class folks who own businesses in this town and you go tell them they won't be paying a nickel and they will laugh in your face at your ignorance. Ignorance is what Obama hopes he has going for him. People who just follow that "sound good" deal like little sheep to the slaughter. If you think your country is in a bind now, you just wait.
You'll be lucky if you can afford a pot to pee in.
You may want to stop posting
I think you have clearly shown your ignorance here, and you may just want to go somewhere where people can comprehend such a distorted way of thinking. You are really not helping yourself at this point. It would be nice if you could bring an intelligible argument for your candidate. Basically, your lack of argument goes to the aid of Obama. People don't like to think they are voting with racists.
Why I am voting for Obama:
1. I think he will better to help the economy.
2. I like his healthcare plan.
3. I am against the war and think it should end responsibly.
4. I agree with his tax plan.
Why I am not voting for McCain:
1. I don't like the way he handled the recent economic meltdown.
2. His healthcare plan would do nothing to help my family.
3. I do not agree with his stance on Iraq.
4. I do not think he has the personality (temperment) to unite this country.
5. Palin, who I have been listening to, is not ready to lead this country in case, God forbid, something happens to McCain.
God bless - I am praying for you.
Yea, he wants to stop lobbyists
He received $708,000 from medical and insurance interests between 2001 and 2006, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. And Michelle Obama is a vice president for community and external affairs at the University of Chicago Hospitals, a position that paid her $316,962 annually.
You see all you O lovers, they're dirt poor just like you and they don't take money from outside interest as he said he didn't. And they know your plight so well, since they live within your means.
At least YOU could stop for a while and say a prayer!
McCain did!
So he should not stop to mourn but we should?
Talk about backwards logic.
Please don't stop posting here
Kaydie, please don't stop. Although some people have been exceedingly rude here, I am among those who did appreciate the info you posted. Please don't don't stop. You would be missed.
EXACTLY. Hopefully US imperialism will stop now
because if Obama does not help change THAT picture, the rest of the world will do to us what has happened to ALL imperial nations throughout history: cause our downfall.
WE HAVE BEEN THE MILIARY BULLY FOR MANY MANY DECADES and the 'USA USA' chanting crowd doesn't seem to have that clue!
We MUST end our addiction to war, the military industrial complex, etc,. or face the destiny that arrogance will surely bring.
GODSPEED OBAMA; please don't be anothere to just lie your way into power to shore up the status quo!
oh stop with the scripture
To anyone outside of your belief system it's jibberish. The fact that you can't see this gives anything you say even less credibility.
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