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The polls that supply that electoral map are just that....polls...sm
Polls mean less than nothing to me. Polls intimidate and mislead the voters, in my opinion. Thanks for asking.
Just want to clean up the environment.
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That's a fact. Oil over environment/polar bears.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/22/you-go-girl-alaska-gop-gov-will-sue-bush-administration-over-polar-bear-listing/
Yep. She as (Neo)Con as they come. Not just this issue. Pretty much across the board. McCain was trying to shore up that side of the party with her while at the same time reining in the Hillary supporters and women's vote. Where this logic is coming from is anybody's guess, but sounds like a Karl Rove stunt to me.
Wrong. I love the environment, polar bears and
I read it before I posted it. I do no agree with her logic. She is talking out of both sides of her mouth like the bridge to nowhere thing (for it one minute, against it the next when that position became more politically viable). If she is so big on development, why did she strip funding from more than 300 development initiatives in her haste to exact revenge on her predecessor? Fact is, she has very little credibility as far as I'm for a number of reasons.
I simply provided the other poster with a link, voiced an opinion and left it up to to make up her own mind about the article. So...go crucify yourself.
If you believe in polls good for you - The King of Polls said
So the polls only poll a few small areas with certain demographics. You trust that. Sure maybe they only poll Hollyweird and the other liberal cities. They also reflect all the phone voter registrations, so maybe to your cat and cartoon characters it matters that Obama is ahead. Me - I'll wait for election day to find out the truth about who is ahead in the race. I've said it before and I'll say it again (and glad to know Mr. Rassmusin backs me up on this one) - polls do not matter and do not reflect a real vision of who is ahead in the race.
I will say again, I do not believe the electoral
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Electoral map seems to be saying something quite different.
http://election.princeton.edu/electoral-college-map/
Quite the eye-opener.
Electoral College........
If you really knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't even have kicked your point down by saying anything about the electoral collge. The electoral college really is illegal and unconstitutional and there is no place for it in this country. It is mainly far left liberals who only look at for themselvs and could care less about the country as a whole. What a joke!!
the electoral college
I don't really know what people would want but I do know that the final decision on presidency rests with the electoral college, which vote will not take place until december 15th. The whole issue is designed to influence the votes of the electors so all remains to be seen after the SC today and the electoral vote on 12/15.
Chek out THIS electoral map.
http://www.economist.com/vote2008/?source=hpevents
Electoral college.... sm
What do you think will happen on December 15 when the electoral college convenes?
Do you think that Obama has succeeded in changing the color of the electoral college permanently or at least for this election? Do you think the electors will stand by their votes or do you think some who changed over might revert back?
electoral college?
Honestly, this 'electoral college' always confuses me and I believe I am not alone in this.
Could you be so kind and explain?
Always open to learn something.
Thanks
Agreed. That electoral map is lookin'
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I agree with doing away with the electoral college....
it would certainly level the playing field and not give the bulk of the votes to the population centers. One only has to look at red states vs blue states to figure that one out.
Check out the global electoral map yet?
Not cocky in the slightest. Will be working up until the last minute of the last day and when the time comes, will par-TEEEEE 'til the sun comes up.
Global Electoral College...s/m
This was already posted earlier, but I want to repeat it:
Would the whole world have voted, only
3 (three) ! countries are leaning towards McCain
Iraq
Democratic Republic of Congo
Algeria   
by electoral votes - it is most definitely a landslide!
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you do know the electoral vote has not occurred??
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Electoral college - Do we need it for a fair election? sm
Some states are talking about getting rid of the electoral college. Critics think this will lead to candidates pandering to urban areas to get the most votes.
Off the top, it sounds like a good idea to me because I'm in Alabama and if I could vote 100 times the republican party still would win our punny 3 electoral votes because we are overall a conservative state. Given that it seems like my vote doesn't count. However, I realize the electoral college was set up to avoid regional preferences.
The electoral college is Article II, Section 1
Joke's on you.
Link: www.Global Electoral College.com.......nm
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technically not even president-elect until electoral college meets. nm
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Take a look at these polls.sm
Just to give you an idea, take Denver's Rocky Mountain News poll (the state is very conservative) below, and look at the results. Almost every poll I have seen shows large percentages of Americans think the same way as the theorists.
http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/denver/rockytalklive/archives/2006/08/the_government_and_911_2.html#more
Here is another one from Ed Schultz at Air America with a 50/50 split.
http://www.wegoted.com/index.asp
Polls
Make that alter-ego. Changing names according to post content = literary license. I'm sure you've heard of it before, being so intimately acquainted with the literary world and all. Makes things a bit more intriguing. Enables one to dial back rabid mad-dog rhetoric.
Case in point. You don't launch into your "5-paragraph volleys" unless you think you are talking to GT. As BW, I enjoy the luxury of not having to drag out an entire arsenal of put-downs just to make myself understood, since you can’t quite figure out who you are talking to. Usually I am pretty good about revealing the aliases eventually, but not always. That is another prerogative of free speech.
BTW, when you lift content and ideas from somebody else's post, it's customary to use quotes. Disciple? Shades of the gospel according to Saint Hannity. Another suggestion would be that when you plagiarize thought or content, at least be careful not to put it into responses addressed to the original author.
Yes, Congress has a lower rating than Bush. He wields a powerful weapon that empowers him to obstruct, stall and reverse any sort of viable legislative initiatives. It's called the veto pen. In this last session, he has used it 8 times but Congress has managed to override him on 4 of those vetoes. They at have at least shown more ability than Bush to cross the aisle and engage themselves in effective bipartisan initiatives and convince them to vote against their fearless leader.
You and the pubs make no excuses for being too inept at reaching consensus (a decidedly American concept). Obstruction, stalling and reversals are akin to dodges, deceive and deflections. They are the strategies used by petty dictators and their parties in a setting of “might makes right,” that divide and conquer approach, rather than taking the high road and exerting the effort or harboring the desire to create a representative government body. Bipartisanship has never been his forte anyway. No surprise there.
Polls are interesting, but not terribly reliable, given the problems that arise when you start to consider the source, sift through bias, skewing and the like. More than likely, the polls offer the most reliable reflection of public opinion would be the approval ratings of the candidates, not that status quo that is destined to be decimated come November. Most dems are just about as frustrated with the whole mess as you are. On that we can agree. But my take on approval ratings, at least in terms the current state of affairs in Congress and the executive branch, is that the low numbers reflect a much more deep-seated frustration and anger toward being lied to about the war and the incalculable costs in terms of human life as well as tax dollars, the state of the economy and the perception that nobody anywhere is doing anything, typical of a lame duck in a campaign year. The nation as a whole is in a really bad mood, to be sure. They simply don't approve of anything, at the moment.
More than likely, this will play itself with a major overhaul on both sides of the aisle. Who comes out on top in Congress in terms of numbers is anybody’s guess.
Polls are even at 42%
per a CBS poll taken on Wednesday, so this does not include Palin's speech or McCain's acceptance speech.
Polls & More
Remember, this is the party that prides itself on being "tolerant." Yeah, sure. How tolerant have they been of anything a conservative has to say? This why they lie in wait here, so the few times I even bother to take the time (more like waste it) to post something, I try to make the subject line not stand out as a "right-winger" view.
This board is no better than DailyKos, HuffingtonPost, etc. Go to those sites and see how well the libs behave. I look at this forum very seldom now after seeing what the bulk of my industry thinks and how totally nasty they behave. They make having a cat fight look like a tea party.
While polls mean almost nothing to me, Rasmussen is a very reputable one. Below is from Media Resarch Center (excellent; Bret Bozell, Libertarian). Included in the article are links for a great deal of info for anyone interested. Nasty posts, etc. mean nothing to me, so do as you please. I've made my pitstop here for the day (or week), and see that each time I look here it's only gotten more nasty.
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questioned if the comment "insults...everyone's intelligence?"
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In fact, in true parrot form, CNN repeated the charge at least
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Passage of Year Makes Petraeus Look Good, Congressional Critics Look Bad
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Moms Say Palin Is Role Model for All Women
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Chavez Hails End of ‘Yankee Hegemony’ As Russian Bombers Arrive
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Palin Stars at Virginia Rally, Then Heads Home
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Biden's Bishop Seeks Prayers to Help Biden Become Pro-Life
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Democrat Leader Raises Specter of Government Shutdown over Oil Drilling
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By 5-to-1 Public Thinks Most Journalists Trying to Elect Obama
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Matthews: Obama's 'Pig' Not Sexist, 'Community Organizer' Racist
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CNN Labels Palin's Environmental Stances 'Outside the Mainstream'
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'Non-Partisan' Liberal Group's Critique of Palin Cited by CNN
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ABC's Brian Ross Highlights Angry Librarians Opposed to Palin
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MSNBC Hosts Mock and Distort Prayer Request by Sarah Palin
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CBS Highlights Dem's Anti-Palin Plea: 'We've Got to Go After Her'
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NYT's Herbert: "Arch-Conservative" Clarence Thomas' "Self-Hatred"
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How much do you believe polls?
Yahoo had some info on the Rasumussen Polls and I went to their website to check it out: www.rasmussenreports.com
They have an electoral college page that shows the current "vote" at 248-163 in favor of Obama. I'm going to have to do some research and see how accurate polls were in previous presidential elections. They have it broken down by state and it is pretty interesting, if numbers are your thing!
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/election_2008_electoral_college_update
For all who believe in polls
I don't believe in polls but a lot of posters like to use them to try to make some sort of point....
Today's Gallup poll (one of the most trusted) - Obama 49, McCain 47 -
Like I say....way to close to predict a winner. I also heard some students after last nights debate that said they were still undecided said if they had to vote right now they'd choose McCain. Goes to show not every single person/young person voting Obama.
polls
Thanks, it is
49.5 for Obama
42.7 for McCain.
Obama is 6.8 points ahead.
Well, actually there are polls to confirm this
I don't believe the word "sick" was part of the poll but it comes pretty darn close to the majority of America's current view of this administration and this war.
These polls are so fickle.
Up and down, up and down.
I just don't know if he can stand the heat. I have so far not been impressed with Obama. Right now it seems that people are using him against a Hillary vote and not necessarily for anything he says or stands for. Is it just me, or does the man lack conviction or passion of any kind? He doesn't ever really say anything of substance and not very good at defending what positions he has taken a stand on. I'm not sure if I want someone of so little experience as President.
This is how I would like to see it play out: HIllary elected and breaks some of the ice by implanting some changes followed up by either Edwards or Obama at the next election to implement more changes. I say this because I believe people inherently don't like change and they especially don't like fast change. So if Obama or Edwards were to beat out Hillary and try to implement such sweeping changes, I don't think those changes could sustain themselves. Obama doesn't strike me as being very forceful and may buckle, and Edwards comes across as too forceful and I think would have trouble during their administrations amongst their peers.
I don't put much stock in polls....
however, McCain is the first to break the 50% mark. And I trust Gallup and rasmussen more than I trust Fox polls, CNN polls or other media outlet polls. Although CBS did show McCain with a lead too. Still, it is encouraging, and a pretty big whoop...lol
If polls are samples of what is to come...
that is very good for McCain. Still ahead in the popular vote and making big gains in swing states. So...great. If polls are a sample of what is to come...it is good news for McCain.
Polls as of today....
Gallup:
Gallup Daily: McCain 47%, Obama 45%
McCain retains a three-point advantage for the third straight day, 50% to 47% (see recent daily results).
Real Clear Politics
RCP Average 09/05 - 09/13 -- McCain 47.5 Obama 45.2 McCain +2.3
McCain has also diminished Obama's lead in many of the "swing states" and is even within 2 points in Pennsylvania, which is unheard of. Pennsylvania nearly always goes democratic. McCain leads in Ohio. He has gone into the lead in New Mexico and Nevada. That has been steady for several days now.
All that being said...the polls said Kerry should have won many states handily...but he didn't. Polls can be very misleading. We won't know until election night...although this is the first time in how long that a Republican was leading in the polls at this point?
It is a very interesting campaign, that's for darned sure.
Polls are usually wrong. I don't put much
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latest polls
SP sinking . . . losing her "oh look at the shiny new object" diversionary value. Obama on the upswing . . . and these were before the latest financial fiasco which McCain and Gramm had a hand in by deregulating financial institutions.
latest polls
Obama up in swing states FL and PA due to financial crisis.
Polls don't mean didly
Unless you only keep track of them when your candidate is up. However, don't know where you got this poll, because the one I saw today said FL is very tight with McCain leading by 4%. They also added not to get to comfortable with that because polls change on an hourly basis. But in all the polls they put up there McCain was ahead by at least 4 points or more in most of the states. But like I say, polls are polls and they don't mean diddly.
If your going to go by polls then use more than just the ones that favors
As of today - Taken from polling websites and CNN
Gallup -
Obama 47, McCain 44
Rassmussen -
Obama 38, McCain 58
Battleground Tracking - Obama 46, McCain 48
American Research Group - Obama 41, McCain 53
In Ohio CNN poll gives McCain a 3 point lead (48-45)
In NC McCain has a 10-point lead
In Indiana McCain has a 6 point lead
Wisconsin has voted for dems in the last four elections, this time Obama only has a 3 point lead
My point is whether McCain or Obama is ahead it doesn't mean diddly and by posting only the polls which favor your candidate while ruling out the others is just another spread of propaganda and does not validate your claims.
Polls mean nothing. Don't trust them. - sm
Polls have always been used by the media to sway people to vote one way or the other. I have no idea how they can even count them as reputible. The real poll is when people vote and I have never heard anyone say that they are voting a certain way because of the polls. What we are hearing on the news is made up to fit whichever news station you ware watching and from what I see and read on the internet the polls change hourly.
I'll believe polls when
I see how many illegals are in them.
I too do not put much faith in polls.
Did these polls have John Kerry ahead at this time during the last election. They also showed the Nixon was ahead of Kennedy. We will find out when we find out. Just go vote for who you think is best and hope for the best.
The polls are not accurate...
slanted for obama like everything else the liberal media tells you. People (myself included) tend to believe what they want to believe
Yeah? I saw polls where they were only
2 points away from each other. I've seen polls where they were 5 points away all in the same day.
Don't count on the polls for the decision and I don't think you should be so smug about it. He may still lose. Then what are you going to say?
does anyone know anything about registering at the polls?
I just got a call from my daughter who lives in Arizona. She went to vote this morning and was told she was not registered, even though she has voted there before! So they went and had her register on site but then told her she could fill out a "provisional ballot" but that her vote would not count! What??? Does anyone know anything about provisional ballots or the whole "registering at the polls situation? Please, reliable info only. No bashing! I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
Well, when you look at the national polls
and see that 37% of Americans are in favor of the bill, I guess you can say that *most* people don't want this stimulus!
i dont believe those polls
How do u know those polls, any of them can be trusted? You don't.
again, I really dont believe ANY of those polls.
It's kinda like how they were saying our economy is fine but we all could feel that it wasn't. 
Well, you're right but the polls tell the story even better.sm
He's obviously losing some of his republican base because his poll numbers are at an all time low, so I think this article has some weight.
I don't connect with either of the country club wings either, obviously as a working woman I wouldn't fit in anyway except maybe waiting tables...LOL-(Joke!)
This predictable when News is doing polls
They can manipulate the demographic as they want. It was stated today that most of this week's polls were made up of more democrats than
Republicans. Well, of course that will bode against the president.
Look at what the polls were saying on election night in 2004. According to the news polls Kerry was winning. However, when the results were in that wasn't happening, but I'm sure you will come back with the argument that the election was fixed....and if you do then there's no debating, because that has never been proven to be true. In fact, investigations completed recently showed that Democrats were registering dead and mentally/medically incompetent people in Michigan.
Believe in polls all you want, but personally they are very easily manipulated to show what a particular organization wants them to show.
Do you live your life according to polls? sm
Reminds me of something my mother used to say to me many years ago. If everyone jumped off a bridge, would you.
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