Starting at the community level......... sm
Posted By: m on 2008-11-29
In Reply to: I'd love to continue to argue with you - gourdpainter
is a great thing to do and I am proud of you for the work you do. I have read here before some of the things you are involved in, and you are making a difference in your community. I'll be right here, ready and willing! LOL
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Well, in my community......
there are those that are part of the county and city governments that are not necessarily highly educated. Most have some degree but others do not. They have been voted into office by their constituents who feel they best represent them and their issues. They certainly aren't rich. I can guarantee you one thing though, they certainly are glad for the wealthier among us, because they help keep the economy going by running businesses, opening new businesses, creating new job openings, etc. Many of our local community leaders would be considered middle class, but they make up black and white population, so it certainly isn't one-sided. Not for one minute would I want an uneducated unitelligent individual making important decisions for my community.
Would you rather the poor, uneducated, and unintelligent make the important deicisions for your community?
In our community minorities ARE the
You may not like those facts but that is the facts around here. They are the gang related group around our town. They love to hang their tennis shoes on the power lines to show this is their neighborhood to other gangs.
Sorry you think Obama will help the middle class but if you're in the 31K to 63K income range, you will be taxed or did you choose to ignore his voting on that back in March? He tried to get you good darling!
Thank you - Soon community service will
have to wear uniforms, and community service will turn into government. You can sugar coat it any way you want to - it's still FORCED! NOT an option. People do not have a choice. That is what we call a draft.
Community service
My "baby" is 37 years old. I was just thinking..........he earned his private pilot's license at age 16. MAYBE something like this is what Obama has in mind??
http://www.cap.gov/visitors/about/our_programs/cadet_programs.cfm
Oh, that's actually funny. O, the Community
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Unfortunately, to get to that level he'd have to
Hee
On one level, it's rather
Think about it. Here we have Evans, Editor of Newsweek and one who is in the vanguard of elitist agnosticism (remember "The Decline and Fall of Christian America"?) who seems to acknowledge, at least tacitly, the need for some sort of God to mediate and reconcile the nations.
So far, Evans has only managed to stagger toward a rather pitiful concept of God in the form of a being as miserably inadequate as Obama, but perhaps there's hope that he'll mature to an adult notion of God, which is a bit more sophisticated.
God Bless Community Organizers
She went into Wassila as mayor with 0 debt and left it with 22m in debt.
As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make them energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state. In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.
she can distort the facts and deliver mean-spirited zingers with the best of them. It told us that if Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter ever need a stand-in, she'd be a great pick.
she can be condescending and dismissive of the real work Barack Obama did helping real people on the South Side of Chicago. Ishe can uphold the long Republican tradition of lying about Democratic tax cuts—even though Obama's plan would give Americans a bigger break than McCain's.
Palin recently said that the war in Iraq is "God's task." She's even admitted she hasn't thought about the war much—just last year she was quoted saying, "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq."
Palin has actively sought the support of the fringe Alaska Independence Party. Six months ago, Palin told members of the group—who advocate for a vote on secession from the union—to "keep up the good work" and "wished the party luck on what she called its 'inspiring convention.'"
Palin wants to teach creationism in public schools. She hasn't made clear whether she thinks evolution is a fact.
Palin doesn't believe that humans contribute to global warming. Speaking about climate change, she said, "I'm not one though who would attribute it to being manmade."
Palin has close ties to Big Oil. Her inauguration was even sponsored by BP.
Palin is extremely anti-choice. She doesn't even support abortion in the case of rape or incest.
Palin opposes comprehensive sex-ed in public schools. She's said she will only support abstinence-only approaches.
As mayor, Palin tried to ban books from the library. Palin asked the library how she might go about banning books because some had inappropriate language in them—shocking the librarian, Mary Ellen Baker. According to Time, "news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor." Baker ended up moving away because Palin made her life so miserable.
She DID support the Bridge to Nowhere (before she opposed it). Palin claimed that she said "thanks, but no thanks" to the infamous Bridge to Nowhere. But in 2006, Palin supported the project repeatedly, saying that Alaska should take advantage of earmarks "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."
Educating the GOP: A Photo History of Community Organizers
by BonnieSchlitz <http://bonnieschlitz.dailykos.com/>
Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 10:13:06 AM PDT
After watching the malicious speeches the other night mocking Senator Obama, and by proxy, cynically attacking all of us who support our local communities, I thought it would be prudent to educate the Republican Party on the historical role of community organizers. For a quick reminder, let's recap Giuliani's snark: He worked as a community organizer. (Laughter) What?...Barack Obama has never led anything, nothing, nada. And Palin's vacuous follow-up: This world of threats and dangers, it's not just a community and it doesn't just need an organizer. (Laughter.) That these bastions of the GOP would denigrate the importance of community organizers on the same night their party nominates its first female vice presidential candidate shows an utter disrespect for the people of this country and a laughable ignorance of the power we wield. This is what community organizers do... They change the world. Block by block, city by city, state by state, nation by nation... So, GOP, meet community organizer Susan B. Anthony. She helped guarantee women's suffrage in the United States by giving public speeches and uniting with fellow advocates of change.
 <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/cache/?action=view¤t=sbanthony385.jpg> Meet community organizer Martin Luther King Jr. He helped end racial segregation and discrimination by inspiring a nation to come together and realize their dreams.
 <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/cache/?action=view¤t=kingmarching.jpg>
He said, "Power at its best is love implementing the demands of justice. Justice at its best is love correcting everything that stands against love."
 <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/cache/?action=view¤t=kingwashington.jpg> Meet community organizer Cesar Chavez. He helped farm workers secure labor rights and fair wages. Sen. Robert F. Kennedy called him "one of the heroic figures of our time."
 <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/cache/?action=view¤t=cesarchavez1972.jpg> Meet community organizer Dorothy Day. She helped found the Catholic Worker movement to help the poor and homeless, and promote social justice.
 <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/cache/?action=view¤t=Day.jpg> Meet community organizer Jane Jacobs. She helped rebuild and revitalize city neighborhoods and made people consider the wide-ranging benefits of supporting our urban cultures.
 <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/cache/?action=view¤t=janejacobs.jpg> Meet community organizer Mohandas Gandhi. He peacefully led the people of India in efforts to acquire labor fairness, women's rights, and ethnic tolerance, and he helped secure the freedom of a nation.
 <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/cache/?action=view¤t=Gandhi_Saint-James.jpg> Then there's this guy. Meet community organizer Jesus of Nazareth. He advocated for the poor, for the sick, for the socially excluded...and continues to help provide people solace during their "quiet storms." His community helped found the religion known as Christianity. He said "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
 <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/cache/?action=view¤t=Bloch-SermonOnTheMount.jpg> When you disparage community organizers, Republicans, you evince a complete ignorance of the fact that organizers do more with their words than just speak them. They remind people of their shared humanity, of their responsibilities, and of their power as a unified force to face injustice, and oppression, and inspire them to be the change they've been waiting for. Meet new community organizer, Senator Hillary Clinton. She cracked a glass ceiling, and inspired 18 million Americans to recognize the worth of their lives.
 <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/cache/?action=view¤t=lillyledbetter42408.jpg> This is the story of America . Of women and men who defy the odds and never give up. How do we give this country back to them? By following the example of a brave New Yorker, a woman who risked her life to shepherd slaves along the Underground Railroad. And on that path to freedom, Harriet Tubman had one piece of advice.
If you hear the dogs, keep going.
If you see the torches in the woods, keep going.
If they're shouting after you, keep going.
Don't ever stop. Keep going.
If you want a taste of freedom, keep going.
Even in the darkest of moments, ordinary Americans have found the faith to keep going. I've seen it in you. I've seen it in our teachers and firefighters, nurses and police officers, small business owners and union workers, the men and women of our military -- you always keep going.
And meet community organizer Senator Barack Obama. He worked with congregations and registered voters on the South side of Chicago to help them improve their neighborhoods and hold politicians accountable for their actions. Along with Senator Joe Biden, he currently leads the largest movement for change in the history of American politics.
 <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/cache/?action=view¤t=obamaorganizer.jpg> If you're walking down the right path and you're willing to keep walking, eventually you'll make progress. So you see, Republicans, it's never really about the organizer, it's about the community...  <http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll300/thelemonkid/the%20party%20party/?action=view¤t=crowd-20-1.jpg> Remember that on November 4th. Re member the power of the people.
ACORN is a community organization
since its inception. It is the latest weapon the pubs have in their arsenal of smear tactics. They are using this yet to be concluded investigation as a way to imply that Obama is actively trying to throw the election. Voter fraud is something the pubs know a thing or two about. They wrote the book, so at least this most recent tactic is coming from a place of intimate familiarity for them. What is puzzling is just how they can make voter fraud charges stick BEFORE the ballots are cast. By the way, there is a whole lot more to the subject of voter fraud than the ACORN saga. it has to do with te long-needed overhaul of election protocl that pubs have historically bristled at every time it surfaces in political rhetoric, but they do not hesitate to try to use it to try to resurrect an anemic campaign strategy. They are desperately trying to place AL their eggs in this basket to try to overturn O's momentum in the polls and on the electoral map, but time is running out and so far, those Hail Mary's haven't been scoring too many points for the Straight Talk Express.
Perhaps it was the social and community outreach
1. Can-Cer-Vive support to cancer patients and caregivers.
2. Churh school and youth church.
3. Counseling services, both individual and group.
4. Emmaus Road Ministry, which provides companions, prayer partners, helpers and friends for grieving persons, months after the passing of a loved one. Ongoing contact with the family is maintained.
5. Girl Scouts.
6. Teen choir.
7. Computer classes.
8. Assistance to physically, mentally and emotionally handicapped.
9. Marriage enrichment seminars.
10. Workshops on building and maintaining Christian homes.
11. Men's chorus.
12. Men's fellowship.
13. Bible study.
14. Sanctuary choir.
15. Stewardship.
16. Women's chorus.
17. Women's drill team.
18. Yoga.
19. Youth drill team.
20. Active seniors.
21. Adopt-a-Student.
22. Athletes for Christ.
23. Career development.
24. Church in the community.
25. Domestic violence advocacy and support.
26. Drug and alcohol recovery.
27. Food share.
28. Grandparent's ministry.
29. HIV/AIDS support.
30. Housing workshops.
31. Health and wellness.
32. Legal counseling.
33. Math tutors.
34. Prison ministry.
35. Reading tutors.
36. Drama.
37. Fine arts and literary guild.
38. Quilting.
39. Adult dance.
40. Music.
Compare these ministries with Obama's life experiences, political views and current campaign platform. That is explanation enough for me.
thats the nature of a community activist,
to keep things stirred up! No, i don't think he is a terrorist -- but he has way too many radical associations, way too much money, admiration and support from rogue nations (hello, red flags!!!) and this puts motive into question, along with character, along with judgment. Come out of the clouds, get your feet on the ground, he has NO executive experience, no business experience, and not done much more in the senate than vote "present" (just the facts, m'am) -- he doesn't want to vote up or down, and risk alienating anyone, but like a wolf in sheep clothing, tries to appear to be whatever your imagination wants him to be. Really -- look at the one-sided nature of the media "reporting" -- the media is almost magical in shaping public opinion by NOT reporting the facts, not reporting things fairly and completely, but just feeding the public what they want them to believe. What is really UNbecoming, is that news is more like propaganda these days, that we have lost the honesty of good journalism and that too many people don't see beyond what they are spoon-fed and this puts our country at risk -- NOT TO MENTION the moral side of this issue and his views on sex education for kindergarten-aged kids, saying "it's the right thing to do", advocating the teaching of homosexuality as normal, advocating that a woman's rights nullify the right of an innocent baby to have medical care if born alive in a botched abortion -- these are FACTS. Not to mention that he will "stand with the Muslims" if the stuff hits the fan, per his own words. Not to mention that he said -- not what i believe, but what i've SEEN him say -- that this is "no longer a Christian nation, but a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddists". Yes, we are a nation of multi-faiths - BUT we ARE a Christian nation -- whose laws and precepts are FROM the Christian faith. But he would change that my friend. If we vote him into the oval office, there is no telling what path he will lead us down. and he will not keep us safe from our enemies -- even his vice president/Biden "guarantees" that we will face a crisis within 6 months if he is elected... AND that we may not agree with how he handles it....are you really listening?????
1st 2 yrs of a community college is already free
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My kids do community service
They have participated in numerous community service programs and projects, from collecting and packing items for the homeless to refurbishing parks. They ask to participate in them based on the listings in our newspaper. How very sad for your children that you would not allow them to feel invested in their community and would deny them the wonderful feeling that comes from helping others.
HCA, HMA, Community, Tenet, Regency
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ACORN is not a community organizer.... we know
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No, he's sending the Muslim community a
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Community organizer = ACORN (nm)
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What's different is that on a state level in CA,
in the form of ballot measures, ballot initiatives, propositions or referendums. They can be heard in the California Supreme Court on any or all of these bases and are entitled to seek relief.
Just above your level of showing your
stupidity for trying so hard to appear to be intelligent.
ACORN is the "Association of Community Organizations for ...
Reform Now." In 2006 several members were indicted for voter fraud in Missouri. A little explanation: they are used during elections to "get out the vote," in other words, to get people registered to vote. ACORN folks were indicted for turning in false registration applications that people could later use to vote illegally. They registered dead people, people who had moved, people who didn't exist.
This is what is happening this year so far:
More ACORN Vote Fraud Attempts
Posted on September 15, 2008
-By Warner Todd Huston
The union supporting, Democratic Party pushing, extreme leftist Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) has been caught trying to jerry-rig voter applications in Michigan. It is looking like fraud on a massive scale in Detroit as ACORN tries to fill the Democrat voter rolls with fake Democrat voters.
ACORN is being investigated after several Municipal Clerks discovered fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications.
The majority of the fraudulent and duplicate applications are coming from the liberal ACORN group based in Detroit, Michigan, which now has ACORN investigating the problem once again as well as the Secretary of State’s Office turning over some of those applications to the U.S. Attorney’s Office.
And it isn’t just Detroit that has found fraud being perpetrated by ACORN.
In recent years, ACORN’s voter registration programs have come under investigation in Ohio, Colorado, Missouri and Washington, with some employees convicted of voter fraud.
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review is also reporting that the Obama campaign has been forced to amend a report to reflect over $800,000 of previously unreported ACORN donations to his campaign.
ACORN is at the heart of one of the most massive voter fraud campaigns in American history.
This is a link that shows a connection between Obama and ACORN:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI=
I invite you not to take the article at face value, but independently confirm using the net that the statements made in it are true.
I hope all this helps.
my kids are not joining a community service org
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my kids have done community service in the past
They have been in girlscouts for years. I have a big problem with it being mandatory. You people just have no clue. I'm bitter and stupid and selfish I guess for wanting freedom of choice for me and my children.
it's the fault of the community that sits idly by and
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One would have to have a certain level of intelligence to be bored. sm
You are the weakest link. Buh-bye now. 
Thank you so much for your concern about my energy level.
That just shows the level of insensitivity....
this is an anonymous posting board. You people have posted nastiness about someone and named them. Dailykrap posted it where the entire nation can look at it. You have invaded the privacy of a 16-year-old girl who has done nothing to deserve it and made her public fodder. Perhaps you are proud of that. I cannot imagine that you would be, yet you attack me and support those who would do such a thing. Amazing.
That's the only level pubs will react to.
Put your money where your mouth is. You want real issues. Just post a request for a list and let's get started.
How can you retain something at 2009 level....
when it is 2008?
With the economy the way it is, he CANNOT implement his health care plan. If he does, the fragile economy will tank. I am not an economist and I have sense enough to know that.
The estate tax is the most unfair tax ever levied. All that money has been taxed already, and they want to tax it again just because someone dies. It should be repealed. That is not a Republican or democrat thing. It is just wrong.
Think about this...when the stock market lost 700 points that day...many of the americans earning more than $250,000 lost a ton of money. And he is NOW going to roll back tax cuts for them? Is he so naive or want to get elected SO bad that he does not understand that most of the small businesses in this country fall in that category? And moderate-sized businesses? Who do you think are the employers in this country? Can he not see that will result in businesses closing or downsizing or offshoring just to SURVIVE?
I guess he doesn't. And that means he SHOULD NOT be President.
Also enjoys one-on-one ground-level
Wonder if she follows indigenous rule and only slays what she can eat? Not likely, considering her affinity for guns. What a gal, what a gal!
You don't need to attack me on a personal level... sm
by calling names.
I looked at your supporting web site and find that it is a Democratic web site, so I automatically discard it as biased.
I still am seeking an answer for my original question. What has changed? His mind, in my estimation, is not a suitable answer as that does not address the FACT that he himself stated that he did not feel he was qualified to run for POTUS.
By the same token, if he can "change his mind" on an issue as important as being qualified for POTUS, what is to keep him from changing his mind on all the promises and pipedreams he was selling while he was running. Oh wait....I think that is already happening. He is already stating that he cannot fulfill all his promises and he is not even in office yet.
If he is the "best" that this country has to offer, we're in worse shape than I thought we were.
They scare me, as well, on a very dangerous level.
You sank to their level but beyond, and continue to do so.
I give up.
The playing field has never been more level!
Thanks to affirmative action, white heterosexual males cannot get jobs especially when competing with a person classified as a minority. Mintorities get college scholarships and acceptance into good schools so universities can meet their quota. It's ridiculous! There is a black man in the White House --- I think affirmative action has done its job!
It's time for everyone, no matter their race, be treated equally. The best PERSON for the job should get the job. The best student with the best transcipts should get the admission letter and scholarship. There shouldn't be quotas to fill. NOBODY should get preferential treatment anymore!
Good for you....don't stoop to that level!!
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they had to join a community service organization to graduate?
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I would favor community service. We are talking about military (sm)
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Obama's Plan to Rejoin the World Community...
http://townhall.com/Columnists/PhyllisSchlafly/2008/12/23/obamas_plan_to_rejoin_the_world_community
This is for a serious discussion... Do you think Obama will help the black community to "change&#
I am watching a story on Nightly News maybe that's what this is... It is about what he will do for the "black community" I guess they call it. They then pointed out the murder rate between in that community, that African-Americans make up 13% of the population but 40% of the incarcerated, etc. etc.
My discussion would be this, do you think it will be a main focus for him to guide or change those young men and women into better things and do you also think that him simply becoming president gives the ones on a bad road reason to make more of their life?
They're the laughing stock of the journalistic community. LOL
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Oh gt, one would have to go a long way to reach YOUR level of hatred. nm
The level of maturity in producing that clip
is just astonishing!
You sound like one of the more level headed posters here
I'm glad you don't hate him. Disagreeing with his viewpoints and policies is one thing, but I'm reading a lot of posts and you can tell a lot of people really hate him. I don't agree with some of his issues. I don't agree with some of McCain's issues. I think your also one of the first posters who said anything good about McCain. What just really worries me about McCain is his attitude, his mean temper, and his readiness to send us to war anywhere.
Oh, I think I may have not quite said it right in my original post. I wasn't blaming oil companies and CEOs for the mess we are in, I was stating (or trying to state) that they are the ones who decide who our next president will be (that and you know that secret group that meets every year "behind closed doors"). I still have very high doubts that the "people" pic our president (but I could be wrong of course).
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On a level playing field that would be correct...
this is not a level playing field. I don't see her encouraging Obama to do town hall meetings with McCain...and after 18 months running for the #1 seat, he just this past month sat down with someone who was not in the tank for his candidacy. You really don't see how lopsided this is? Obama being inteviewed by the lambs and the left wanting to feed her to the wolves.
Mocking SP delivers the message on a level
respond well to colloquial discourse and positively bristle at the introduction of serious dialog on those doggone pesky issues.
It just seems to me to be wrong on a basic moral level....
Christianity aside...that the power of life and death be given to one individual over another. Any OTHER time than abortion that is murder, not negotiable. Yet for the most innocent among us, the most vulnerable, in the eyes of some it is fine for one human being to decide to terminate the life of another on the basis of choice...and inconvenience.
I do not believe Obama sits around and thinks about how many babies will die every day (to the tune of over a million a year...!). I don't think he thinks about it much at all. How lucky for him his mother chose life.
There are also those more level-headed Obama opponents
the "country first" message of the McCain campaign and who realize how dangerously destructive this divisive rhetoric can be. They have shown the courage and wisdom to embrace the outcome of the election and made the decision to MOVE FORWARD along with the rest of us. That would account for the additional support reflected in the 75%.
And I am just starting, and the Big O just
one more brainwash session. It's a good thing he is depending on the young folks for his votes!
and I was just starting to like the guy
what with all his stories of cowboys and Mandela and movies and all that. He'll be hosting a show on Fox next, you watch.
I am really starting to think all you have to do to get
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You sound a lot more clear and level headed than most on this board...
even in your drug-induced state! Feel better soon!
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