Starting a world war?
Posted By: Liberal on 2006-09-16
In Reply to: Okay, well at the risk of starting a world war, that link does not work. - Lydia
No, your President is doing that for you. 
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Okay, well at the risk of starting a world war, that link does not work.
It says Page Not Found. It appear Starcat was able to see it. Evidently, it really IS a left-right problem.
And I am just starting, and the Big O just
one more brainwash session. It's a good thing he is depending on the young folks for his votes!
and I was just starting to like the guy
what with all his stories of cowboys and Mandela and movies and all that. He'll be hosting a show on Fox next, you watch.
I am really starting to think all you have to do to get
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I thought most were starting to know better than this. sm
1000 lies later and you still believe the bull. McCain is Bush on steroids. No wonder everybody is calling Americans a bunch of sheep. All I can say is you will get what you deserve. The "free" will not be around much longer, and you will not have money either once the economy crashes,and it will.
hil's starting to look a lot like Huckabee
her best hope is to be Obama's VP at this point. I think with that ticket they would be unstoppable
Thanks sam - at least I have a starting point - nm
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I think there are a lot of people who are starting to...sm
feel just as you do. I have gotten to the point where I just don't have the time or the energy to answer some of the ridiculous accusations against Obama.
I realize that Obama is not perfect, none of us is, and in the course of campaigning the truth gets stretched on both sides. However, never have I seen the like of the untrue garbage being spewed with such hate as this campaign by the republican party. It seems that the more desperate the campaign gets the worse and the more laughable the accusations get. One big thing that I have gotten from this campaign, as well as the financial meltdown, is that the people in control think that the rest of us are stupid and will buy anything they dish out to us. There are actually people that think everything that is on the internet is true. Not true! We need to keep questioning everything and hold our politicians feet to the fire, look for reliable sources of information not just ones that tell us what we want to hear, double check everything, and, lastly, try to be nicer to each other. Amen.
Thugocracy is starting already...nm
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Looks like the fights are already starting in the WH
between Pelosi and the O.
"The California Democrat is pushing the president-elect to make good on a campaign promise that attracted some of the harshest criticism during the election -- that Mr. Obama is a typical tax-and-spend Democrat who would raise taxes once in office.
Mr. Obama has fought that label, emphasizing that any tax increase would be directed at those making more than $250,000. However, since the election, Mr. Obama has been reluctant even to raise taxes on people making that much.
Lawrence Summers, Mr. Obama's choice for director of the National Economic Council, signaled again Sunday that repealing the Bush tax cuts would not be a priority.
"Our overall focus is going to be on increasing spending," Mr. Summers said in a broadcast interview. "Beyond that, there's going to be a substantial tax cut for the American people."
See article.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123229863849393891.html
OMG. JTBB, I'm starting to believe
you're a blind dem. The aboe poster stated his/her thoughts and most of them are true to form. If you don't belive in your country, you are not patriotic. Just because some of us don't believe O is going to do a good job is not a reason to call someone a loon.
I decided, after he was elected, to give him a chance, bvut all I can see is that he is digging us deeper in the hole. I though the bill passed the other day would help some people who were in deep trouble even though they did everything right, would get help...but, again, O is just helping the people who really didn't deserve help. I think you should wake up and start reading a bit more and/or listening a bit more to those who know what is really going on in this country.
A bit of advice... if you have any money in your bank over $100K, you best get it out of there. Although the FDIC is promising a guarantee up to $250K temporarily, the money will not be guaranteed if the country goes broke IMHO.
Starting at the top and working their way down........sm
the Bill of Rights? If the government can do this, you can well believe they can strip other religious freedoms and move right on down the line to the right to bear arms and whatever else they would like to strip away. Thomas Jefferson said it best (loosely quoted) - "A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to can take everything you have."
Starting to understand, yes, why O got in.
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Why don't you find it for yourself, starting with the
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How about apologizing for starting...(sm)
a needless war and trying to drag Europe into it? Showing pics of soldiers graves does nothing but bring to mind the effects of waging this unjust war. How about apologizing for not doing something about our economy until it was too late (which affected the whole world)?
So, you are defending what? Bush's war on terror/axis of evil? Torture? Lying to the American public as well as the UN? Or perhaps our inadequacy in successfully handling our economy since the start of the Reagan era?
Conservative starting trouble
It is obvious this is a conservative trying to start trouble on the liberal board. Who cares what you think about Senator Clinton? Cast your vote and lets see how the country thinks..A level headed calm thinking democrat or a rash testosterone so out of touch with reality dangerous republican. Oprah had a show on universal health insurance a few weeks ago and a professor was on and stated that when the conservatives want to scare the people or distract from programs to benefit the people, they say it is socialism. Well, what I want to know is, what do you call the health insurance program the Congress has? That most definitely is government health insurance, so I guess socialism?. Well, if it is good enough for the Congress, it is good enough for the people. What do you call the govt programs that build bridges, roads, dams, run schools, etc., etc., etc..? Socialism? The govt must help the people of this country. We pay our taxes and we have a right to govt programs to better the lives of the people of America. I am so sick of conservatives and thankfully most of America is too.
That's like starting a forum for pet lovers
And then saying they can only talk about pets they don't have any more, not their current ones! Or a car enthusiasts forum where people can only speak of vehicles they used to own, not what they currently drive.
What's the point in this forum, then, to only talk about the future or the past, not the present? How ridiculous!
i like the idea of starting at the bottom
giving the common people a break rather than sticking us from behind. I don't know what the monetary amount should be per mortgage. I heard Whoopi this morning throwing out the idea of 25% to the people who have taken out mortgages since 2003. One of the gals on the view also talked about these people who were given these loans that were very low interest at the beginning and then after a few years had the interest raised. Why can't the mortgage companies offer them a lower interest rate again? At least they would be getting something!! They are all greedy. I think the idea of bailing the mortgage companies out is disgusting. I realize people should never get in over their heads to begin with but these mortgage companies and any government official who had a hand in it were out for themselves, thinking in the end they were going to win..... no loss to them.... well guess what? they got a little too greedy and I think rather than slapping their little hands, THEY should be the ones to pay the price. I don't care if it's Rush's idea, Whoopi's, etc... How about for once our government listens to the PEOPLE of this country rather than looking out for their own butts.
Ohio is already starting to vote
Just heard on the news that in Ohio they have already starting holding the election and people can vote for president. I don't know who this benefits and don't care at this point, but I thought election day was 11/4. Can someone explain why people are allowed to vote ahead of time.
I am afraid he is going to let people down, already starting.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/31/obama-lays-plans-kill-expectations-election-victory/
Obama plans to kill expectations.
Starting at the community level......... sm
is a great thing to do and I am proud of you for the work you do. I have read here before some of the things you are involved in, and you are making a difference in your community. I'll be right here, ready and willing! LOL
It's a meltdown, and heads are starting
to explode!
People are starting to see that the amazing O
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Takes Americans a while, but they are starting to
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They're not happy unless they are starting trouble.
They don't want to debate. All they want to do is attack and chase away people who don't agree with them. They don't want liberals on their board, but they refuse to practice what they preach.
This is the reason the administrator created a conservative and liberal board. They have their own board, but that's not enough for them. It's typical of how they must control everyone's thoughts and deeds and even which God they worship.
Cat-food's starting to look good. When that runs
I'm starting to feel a little cranky towards these folks
The Mormon Church.
I came across this article last night:
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/11/11/baptizing.dead.jews.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
NEW YORK (AP) -- Holocaust survivors said Monday they are through trying to negotiate with the Mormon church over posthumous baptisms of Jews killed in Nazi concentration camps, saying the church has repeatedly violated a 13-year-old agreement barring the practice.
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In 1995, Mormons and Jews inked an agreement to limit the circumstances that allow for the proxy baptisms of Holocaust victims. Ending the practice outright was not part of the agreement and would essentially be asking Mormons to alter their beliefs, church Elder Lance B. Wickman said Monday in an interview with reporters in Salt Lake City.
We don't think any faith group has the right to ask another to change its doctrines," Wickman said. "If our work for the dead is properly understood ... it should not be a source of friction to anyone. It's merely a freewill offering."
The Mormon Church was also a major financial backer (I think THE major financial backer) of California Prop 8.
I am fully in favor of any religion observing their own doctrine within the bounds of the law. However, I also believe that their doctrine should be theirs and theirs alone. It cannot be an excuse or a reason for infringing on the civil or religious rights of others.
I'm starting to think you're punking us all, JTBB.
Really, fess up. You're just doing this for a laught, right? I mean, if you believed even 1/100th of the crappola you post here, you'd have to be either the most cultified brainwashed half-wit, or Obama's secret love child with a daddy fetish that's off the charts.
Everything O does makes you wet yourself with glee.
Anytime someone points out a legitimate beef with O, you become this juvenile neener-neener playground kid. Your arguments have absolutely no substance, yet you squat on plain hard facts when they are presented in a reasonable manner.
Or maybe you're just really, really high up in Oblahma's confidentiality circle. Like the Czar of MT Mesage Board Enlightenment or something. Do you get a twitter from the oval O every morning with the day's 'talking points' or something?
I'd love to introduce you to a certain lady on the message boards of the company I work for. She's an outright nutjob, and her parroted words are nearly identical to yours. Every time someone says, 'hey, whatever happened to that whole transparency thing' or 'didn't he say he was going to cut the pork and work across the aisle' she barks out the old Leftist Lunatic Word-A-Day calendar and spiels her precooked rant. (Her current fad is waterboarding.)
Oh, oh, I know! Maybe you're just a little bitty ACORN who hopes to grow up into a big bushy tree one day. Is that it? Honestly, I want to know. Cause, in all honesty, if you were actually SERIOUS about the junk you post here, you'd be a really, REALLY scary person.
Please just assure us all you're just havin' a laugh, and then we can all laugh along. You can't possibly be a mean-spirited as you come off in your posts. No one can, right?
Maybe you should spend more time hugging puppies or treat yourself to a nice ice-cream cone or something. You know? Lighten up and enjoy life. At this point, you're about the only one left dragging around that tired old YES WE CAN sign, and it must get awful heavy.
I'm sending happy thoughts your way.
Why are you starting these dumb @$$ threads on the liberal board?
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You are losing it gt, starting to scream and rant. Best rest now. nm
people are starting to pay attention. Obama's lead
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If you bother to check, economy starting crashing
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AIG Employees Starting to Give Back Bonuses
WASHINGTON -- The chief executive officer of failed insurance conglomerate AIG told lawmakers Wednesday that he has asked executives to give back at least half of their bonuses.
Edward Libby, chairman and CEO of the American International Group, said that some workers there already have volunteered to return the money.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/18/aig-chairman-faces-congressional-grilling-bonuses/
Link August 2007!. Their system is starting
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Is Obama starting to embrace McCain's thoughts and plans?
I just heard a little speech on the news at a rally made by the O. All of a sudden, he seems to be mirroring McC's ideas about regulation, the bail out, etc. I noticed him saying things before (and after the debate) that McC had first campaigned for, but didn't say anything because I really thought I was hearing things.
Now I'm flipping channels to see if I can hear this again.
Sure starting to look like she wasn't fully vetted and chosen last minute as a token female...nm
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I agree, that goes for both sides. I don't agree with those starting trouble over...sm
on your board either, but then some of you come and take it out on the people who only post here and we have nothing to do with the fights over there.
I enjoy communicating with liberals and occasionally do learn something from conservative posters, so I refuse to let the driveby, no moniker, one-sided finger pointers, self-indulging posters drive me off.
is the the starting point or the end point for the middle class?
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What in the world are you
talking about ??? Oh, wait, I get it. The writer above said his mother said If Roe v. Wade is overturned, that's it for me. Out of that entire article that one sentence is what jumped out at you??? Our country is in a really really big mess both domestically and foreign policy-wise. The full and total attention directed towards the empire the Bush administration is so desperate to build will be what finally does us in and Roe v Wade is the most important issue on the table for you??. Prioritize, and by the way, we are killing babies, ones who are already here, the unborn ones in Iraq, in their mothers' wombs when their mothers are shot, men and women, American and Iraqi, British, Italian, etc. right now. Killing is killing is killing. It is what it is. It is not wrong in the US to kill the unborn but just fine and dandy in Iraq.
World War III....sm
With the news of Israeli conflict, Iran's missles, Iraqi War, I feared we were entering WWIII, so when I read this article today it confirmed my suspicions.
I don't know how in the world...
you turned this article which is about the major cheerleaders for the Iraq war, the neocons, into something that maligns the left. The only thing left about this article is me and the fact that I posted it on the liberal board. This article says neocons are upset. Neocons think the current administration is incompetent. Neocons regret what they have done in the past and would not do it again. None of this has anything to do with the American left or all those worldwide who thought attascking Iraq was a farce from the beginning. We have not turned on public opinion. We have been anti-war since before it started. Public opinion was very much against us in the early days of the war, in this country anyway, but some of us knew this would turn out to be the disaster it is. I myself was flabberghasted when I read what these neocons said. I never thought I would see the day Richard Perle or David Frum would have regrets and voice them to the public.
Just in your little world....
you are rather ad nauseum in your hate and bile...keep it up, you'll help her get elected....
How do you know what my world is.....
You make that assumption when in fact, you know nothing about my life. I come from a home where we were dirt poor but it was all I knew, so I didn't know we were poor. And there was no 2 of us as in your home. There was a single mom with two children. She worked a factory job where ladies there were treated horribly, making very little. We grew our own food when we could and I ate the same stuff over and over until I was sick of looking at it. But it was ours. No one said it was easy to get a job but my uneducated mother found a job and because she had no college education, she worked her butt off for very very very little. My clothes were homemade and not store bought like the girls I went to school with. She worked 2 or more jobs to have something under the tree at Christmas. She took a cheese sandwich to lunch everyday (and nothing else) and went to work burning up with a fever because as far as the boss cared, they could find somebody else to put in your place. My mother gave and gave and hasn't gotten anything financially to show for it to this day. Work is all I knew. I applied for a PELL grant to go to college (and for the poor, they can also get those, even those that aren't really considered poor can get them). I worked more than one job, went to classes, and then went to work again. I didn't know what a free ride was and never knew anything about welfare, etc. My mother NEVER took a dime from the government. I bought a piece of a junk car to get around in...seemed good enough for me, because that's all my mother had as well. You just prayed it kept running.
"we are just not buying into the mentality that we should just be lucky to have jobs and we should just work hard for our money" That is called entitlement mentality. Our community is packed full of those that feel entitled. Have another child, feel entitled. Too good to flip hambugers?, no problem, feel entitled.
"I totally disagree with you and I am not all that intereseted in what people who have money think or what their opinions are about what to do with my money." Really? Obama is rich and feels perfectly at ease telling you what to do with your money and what he wants to do with your money! That doesn't bother you? I have no problem with a social program for those unemployed who needs food/clothing/shelter until they get back on their feet. That is not what happens....it becomes a way of life for millions who get very used to not having to do anything but feel "entitled".
"I am talking about rich people who do not pay taxes and get all the tax breaks and credits while I pay higher in percentage of taxes on everything, such that I cannot even survive on what I am making now." Obama is one of those.
I don't know where you live but there are PLENTY of help for the disadvantaged in my community. Taxpayer dollars have built new low income housing, single family housing at that, to the tune of millions. While my mother still lives in a home over 100 years old, those living in a brand new home (complements of taxpayers) at a reduced price, while they are able to ride around in a brand new vehicle. They have 24 hour security protection even though I am already paying for that once by the name of local police.(I don't have private security protection). They have ellaborate wrought iron fences that surrounds their little estate that costs taxpayers to the tune of thousands and thousands (I don't have a wrought iron fence around my home). Like this is going to keep out any unsavory people. Right!! THey just drive right in.
In addition, the people who really need this are the single moms and elderly who are struggling. This type of housing takes any incentive away to do anymore than they have to to to live there. After all, just one spouse has to work so they can say they don't make anymore than they do, and this affords them free housing, food, healthcare, and free babysitter by the name of Head Start. Why isn't the other spouse working? Because they may hit that magic number by a couple of dollars that put them over the "entitlement" line. My mother's highest grossing income ever was 11,000 dollars and she NEVER took a handout. She is now of Medicare age and living paycheck to paycheck. If I offer to help her pay bills, she will not accept it. I have gone in and taken her electric bill and just went down and paid it before she knew it.
"have you ever had to decide whether to buy groceries or to pay the electric bill that is going to be shut off" You make 40K a year and can't pay your electric bill? I'm certainly not implying that's a lot of money, but sister, my mother's total for the year is $10,800 and she pays her electricity, buys her groceries, pays home insurance, pays gas bill, small phone bill all with that. And that's on top of her health care bills and medication. She has just underwent breast cancer and mastectomy and still has managed, so don't tell me you can't afford to live on 40K a year. My husband and I raised two children on less than that and he didn't want me working for a lot of those years so I could be there with the children. And there are two of you working. Mother drives around in a jalopy of a car without air conditioning and we are in the humid south. She now has watched her beautiful neighborhood turn into HUD housing (also paid for by me), loud obnoxious children who manage to walk around in Tommy Hilfiger and other such expensive clothes but their two parents can't afford to pay their own rent? Same parents have new model vehicles sitting in their front yard while mother drives around in a wreck. Nobody paying for her house.
My daughter and her husband didn't make that until just recently and they still managed to put money away for hard times just in case and good thing, he lost two jobs back to back with downsizing and mergers. They never went to a movie, ate at home every night, no newer vehicles, just what they already had.
"the republicans just seem to want to get rid of dead weight and just use people as servants" (Where have you been?) When Obama gets through taxing you to death to pay for his own "social programs", just who do you think will be dead weight. Who do you think will be servants then? How in the world could you possibly think you will be better off financially by being taxed more to pay for more garbage programs? You will then definitely be a servant....to the government!! That's what welfare states are....that's what our public education system is.....they can't turn a page in a book without the government telling them it's okay. They can't teach what needs to be taught unless the government tells them what to read, how to teach. This didn't start with Bush...it started a long time ago. Public education is completely dependent on government funds and that is what has turned all the students in them into servants. It's a reality now, not after the next election. It's been a reality for several decades now.
As far as crime is concerned, even our local police chief (who is black) said the people committing crimes are and will continue to be just plain thugs, criminals. They have no excuse. Honest hardworking people do not just start going out and committing crimes because the economy is bad. What happens is little Johnny can't get his $200 sneakers and $80 jeans anymore (which is the parent's fault in the first place), so he feels "entitled" and goes out and robs, steals, and kills for money to buy them. Those who will do those things will do them regardless. It has nothing to do with the economy.
I'm not saying it is easy but if my mother can live o less than $11,000 a year, I feel 40K a year is doable, unless for some reason you have out of control debt through no fault of your own (credit cards, expensive vehicles, luxury items, etc.). I know unexpected medical bills can put many right over the top and I understand that. My husband's medical bills due to a chronic condition is growing every day and that is a concern for us but I see people with things they want but don't need and they complain they don't have enough money. I was listenign to a cashier at WalMart the other day griping about how she just didn't know how she was going to buy her baby's Bday present, and yet, she had hair braids that cost $180 to get done (I asked her, while she went on and on about how long it took to get it done)and salon nails to the tune of $50 a pop and yet she couldn't afford her baby a birthday present?!!
How in the world
can they compare the republicans to Hitler. I do believe that McCain wants smaller government.....not bigger government. A comparison of Hitler and Obama sounds much more feasible.
Why in the world does he need one
Is he running for office too?
How in the world
can you say the economy was doing great before the Dems took control of Congress? Bush has borrowed, borrowed, borrowed and now he's borrowing even more so his cronies can take billions before he leaves office.
What in the world
is this country coming to????? For goodness sake! I did not vote for Obama, but the man is human. I was nervous. Good grief!!! He is about to take a very big step in his life with responsibility that most of us in our right minds would not take. He looked nervous and excited to me coming towards the steps, and I am sure he was very nervous when he was being sworn in. I wish you people would just grow up.
Many of you sound like high school girls - - did you see Michelle's dress.... blah, blah, blah..... Bush had an embarrassed look on his face..... blah, blah, blah.....
GROW UP!
In a PC world, you
have to be politically correct at all times. Many people are sensitive about their children with disabilities. I could see where his comment could be offensive. However, it does not personally offend me and I have an autistic son myself.
I think a lot of people need to simmer down. Yes, it was a bad joke and he probably should not have said it, but his main point was that he sucks at bowling....nothing more.
Political correctness has really hurt our country. Any time someone says anything about color, sex, or race.....certain people will jump up and scream about it. Being the president, you are under a much bigger magnifying glass.
It is my opinion that he probably shouldn't have said it....but it isn't the end of the world. However, I'm sure if this had been Bush's goof.....the liberal media and dems would all be screaming about it.
So what? Not everyone in the world wants to become
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How in the world is
this going to boost the economy? Joe Biden said yesterday that he would tell his family not to go anywhere in confined spaces like airplanes, subways, etc. The White House had to back peddle and rephrase what he said but I personally agree with Biden. You won't see me flying anywhere, etc. until I know for sure how serious this is. Less people are flying. No one is flying to Mexico. Do you know how devastating this will be to airlines, etc. if more and more people don't fly because of this? The airlines are already hurting.
Blame Mexico? It is true that this started in Mexico, but things happen. I don't hate Mexicans. I'm just tired of paying for illegal ones. I don't blame them for this flu. It could have started anywhere, etc. and as much as people travel...something like this was bound to happen some time.
I think your post sounds more like a conspiracy theory and I don't get into those. Besides, we have no vaccine for this. Money may have been given for research into a new flu vaccine but there is currently no vaccine for swine flu. So I really don't see where you get that we got a vaccine and now all of sudden....boom....everyone has the swine flu.
This is something that cannot be blamed on the current administration. I personally don't like the idea of Obama having been in Mexico with this all going on but we didn't know at the time. I personally feel that Obama has handled this swine flu thing well. He has tried to be informative yet to keep people from panicking at the same time. I personally do not feel that this is something we can hold over Obama by saying he hasn't kept us safe because the swine flu is in the US. I think that is just insane to say. Besides, the normal flu strain kills thousands of Americans each year and no one thinks a thing about that.
Why in the world would say
something like that? I know for a fact that these people take their religion very seriously. I don't think we should be making rude comments about other religions.
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