Stand in line behind Michigan. Our roads are probably almost as bad. sm
Posted By: MT and worn out on 2008-10-23
In Reply to: I'm bringing up post I did this morning as it really irks me. - Backwards typist
And we have the highest gas tax in the country that is supposed to take care of that. However, with Michigan being a 1 state recession and/or depression, roads might be the least of our worries.
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And then STAND IN LINE for your
You sound awful happy about old Barry. Another welfare millionare in the making, methinks.
last line of Matthews piece cut off in error. 1 line sm
complained in a letter to his boss that Matthews had shown a pattern of sexism.
Actually, I answered your posts line by line
about not "allowing" you to have an opinion. Those are your words, not mine. This is a good example of how this discussion has escalated from a simple link to this utter squashed bug nonsense. Why are you not able to simply debate the original issue at hand...the Eric Holder appointment? Too much of an intellectual challenge when somebody presents a THIRD-PARTY alternative viewpoint? You are the one who mentioned losing sleep and I remarked that it was probably unnecessary since you were blowing something out of proportion....something you have been doing all afternoon. You takes things WAY too personally.
Michigan
I live here in Michigan and we have the highest unemployment in the US. My husband got laid off right after Christmas and I have had no work since the beginning of January working for the Q, so I also am on unemployment. We are really struggling and worried about putting food on the table and paying the bills. Too much stress! We don't eat out at all or go shopping for anything that is not a necessity. Things are horrible here, everyone is hurting. I actually saw a lawyer this morning and am considering filing bankruptcy which I don't want to do but I really don't have a choice. We just keep praying that things get better which is about all we can do.
What are your opinions on Fla and Michigan
I keep hearing about HC wanting to push on getting Florida and Michigan votes to count, delegates to be seated, etc. While I understand about every vote should count and they should, I also understand that Fla & Mich agreed on this so that they could vote early (i.e. they broke the rules and were punished) and both sides (Obama & Clinton) agreed to it. I guess at that time she thought that the whole US was just going to vote for her and nobody would vote for Obama and now that she is seeing otherwise she wants to change the rules/laws.
Now I don't even understand why there is a meeting going on. Doesn't anyone just tell them...No! You agreed to this. You were told of the consequences and you agreed and now that your losing you want to change the laws to be put in your favor. Every time they don't win they want to change the rules, and I dont understand why they are not just being told "No". If they are so concerned about all the votes counting why didn't they just wait until when they were supposed to vote and not push it earlier. I can tell you - because they thought they would be winning more states and they didn't care enough about Fla or Mich to wait.
Now I understand that she is going to go to the meeting and push that even with FL and MI she doesn't have enough votes, but she's now going to push for them to just dismiss Obama (even though he has more delagates and votes, and states won), that they should just dump him and make her the nominee because she believes she can win over McCain. She really needs to wake up. She's just like her husband - a legend in their own minds. If she steals this from Obama and becomes the nominee (which I doubt very very much) but if she was to be able to finagle that so much dirt would come out going all the way back to Whitewater, Rose Law Firm, etc, etc,
Maybe what they should be doing is taking responsibility and telling the citizens of FL & MI the real reason why their votes are not being counted - because of her and her decisions she made and if they blame anyone they should blame her for not following the laws.
And on another side cannot anyone tell me why in the world Obama's name was not on the ticket in MI. I have not for the life of me figured out that one. Only her name was on the ticket? Helloooo....the last time I looked there were two candidates. Now they are trying to say Obama removed his name from the ticket. Yeah, right, tell me another one. I hear that and I think, what country do we live in where the person who wants to be president has only their name on the ballot. That's what I hear happens in Cuba, Russia and all those other communist countries.
When wil the insanity end?
Michigan is in a depression.
I was born and raised in Michigan. Your state has been hit hard. I live in the Northwest and in my neighborhood, I have 8 new families who have moved in and guess where they are from? Michigan. A lot of my family members in Michigan believe that the Oil companies should bail out the 3 car companies, not from taxpayers money. Family members do not seem to care if the car companies fold because they are already in worse shape. My cousin, last family relative working for the GM, took an early retirement package given to him 2-3 weeks BEFORE the financial crisis hit US. He was very lucky. I have family members considering moving to the Northwest and 1 family already is here and just love it.
am originally from Michigan sm
Oakland County and alot of my reltives still live there. Some are retired from GM. It is really bad up there. Lots of folks on my sister's street with no jobs and more losing jobs every day. I was up there in September and the houses for sale are unreal!
Being that I live in Michigan and s/m
have a father that retired from General Motors and have a lot of friends that have either retired from there or currently work there, it is a big combination of blame. I blame the union, General Motors and the employees for letting a lot of this happen. GM paid the "fat cats" (that is what they are called around here) big money for skilled trades for them to sit around and do nothing, literally nothing. It is a big joke around here that some go and clock in and turn around and go straight to a bar and then go back to clock out. If they are needed, someone will call their cell and let them know they are needed.
It has been common for years to allow employees to work 70/80 hour weeks, massive overtime and my father was one of them. He was making over $130k a year, if not more when he retired. I know it was hard physically on him to do it, but he said that he mostly read on the job and exercised. A friend's husband goes to work to sleep.
I am not saying that everyone does this, but a majority of them do and it is a real shame. I know the ones on the lines cannot do it, but the skilled trades can and do. If the salaried employees complain, then the union gets involved and they still get to keep their jobs no matter how many times they are written up. It takes a lot to get an employee fired.
Just think, something breaks on the line, so they call in the skilled trades guy who has been at the bar drinking, he comes and fixes whatever is wrong, creating a quality problem and then GM has to charge so much money to cover the expenses. And we wonder why they are over priced? And they want to be bailed out? No thank you!
The GM execs have been getting millions of dollars in bonuses for years as well and the employees get a nice check before Xmas as well for a bonus. They should have been like any other company and budgeted their money. Shame on them. If they had quality vehicles at a reasonable price, people wouldn't be buying foreign cars. I personally do drive a GM vehicle because of the discount that I get from my dad. Otherwise, I would probably be buying foreign as well, you get what you pay for.
Sorry to rant, but living in a GM town and not working there, you can get a different perspective on things than what is shown in the news/media. Forgive me if I have offended anyone.
What?? Where's Michigan? Oh, yeah...
We have the Big 3 and Detroit. 'Nuf said.
Michigan is in a one state recession. sm
The big 3 are tanking, our unemployment numbers are higher than the nation as a whole, jobs are leaving like the spring thaw, and who does Obama pick as part of his "Financial Advisory Committee"....none other than our wonderful governor, Jennifer Granholm. She can't advise her own state let alone the country. She now says that we have to cut the budget even more than last time. There isn't a whole lot left to cut. Our education system is absolutely the pits, Detroit is bankrupting us all, and she gets picked for part of the financial advisory committee. Makes me wonder what's going in Obama's head.
Oh well, at least I have a trade I can take with me where ever I go. The ultimate in healthcare portability.
Michigan is a right to work state a well s/m
But if you have a union behind (once upon a time the union had much pull), it took a lot to get you fired.
The last sentence is particularly worrisome for Michigan.....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/18/AR2009061804053.html?wpisrc=newsletter
Senate's Health-Care Draft Calls for Most to Buy Insurance, Nixes Obama's 'Public Option'
By Lori Montgomery and Shailagh Murray
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, June 19, 2009
A draft proposal in the Senate to overhaul the nation's health-care system would require most people to buy health insurance, authorize an expansion of Medicaid coverage and create consumer-owned cooperative plans instead of the government coverage that President Obama is seeking.
The document, distributed among members of the Senate Finance Committee yesterday afternoon, addressed none of the funding questions that have consumed House and Senate negotiators in recent days. But it included an array of coverage provisions that were drastically scaled back from earlier versions, as lawmakers seek to shrink the bill's overall cost. The proposal, for instance, would reduce the pool of middle-class beneficiaries eligible for a new tax credit meant to make insurance more affordable.
The absence of a "public option" marks perhaps the most significant omission. Obama and many Democrats had sought a public option to ensure affordable, universal coverage, but as many as 10 Senate Democrats have protested the idea as unfair to private insurers. In its place, the draft circulated yesterday outlines a co-op approach modeled after rural electricity and telecom providers, subject to government oversight and funded with federal seed money.
Yesterday, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) met with four Republicans, including Sen. Charles Grassley (Iowa), the ranking GOP member on the panel, along with two Democratic colleagues in an attempt to find bipartisan consensus. Baucus dubbed the group "the coalition of the willing."
Meanwhile, in the House, Democrats are exploring a range of funding options, including a surtax on the rich and an increase in the payroll tax imposed on all U.S. workers. The list also includes new taxes on sugary drinks and alcohol, along with broader levies, such as a national value-added tax of up to 3 percent.
The Senate's preferred option -- taxing the health benefits that millions of Americans receive through their employers -- is also on the House list. So is Obama's favorite idea: limiting the value of itemized deductions for the nation's wealthiest 3 million taxpayers.
Rep. Richard Neal (D-Mass.), chairman of the Ways and Means subcommittee charged with developing a financing plan, said lawmakers have not "embraced any particular source of revenue." But he confirmed that big, broad-based taxes like the payroll tax and a value-added tax are under discussion, mainly because they have the potential to raise "a lot of money" for an expansion of health coverage expected to cost more than $1 trillion over the next decade.
The House will not unveil a financing plan until after the July 4 recess, Neal said, though House leaders were expected to release an outline of the rest of their plan today, with a goal of putting a bill to vote later this summer. The Senate is aiming to debate its legislation in July as well, and is seeking a bill that would cost less than $1 trillion.
Maintaining that tight schedule could prove difficult, though, because daunting issues remain in both chambers. One area of contention is the extent to which private employers must subsidize public coverage for their workers if the companies don't offer their own plan or if the premiums are unaffordable. The Congressional Budget Office has warned that if lawmakers don't find the right formula, employees may flee their company plans for federal coverage, sending government costs soaring.
The draft in the Senate committee spells out one possible solution: It would require employers to pay 50 percent of Medicaid costs for workers enrolled in the low-income program and 100 percent of the cost of health-insurance tax credits for eligible employees. Workers could forfeit employer coverage only if the cost exceeds 12.5 percent of their income.
The draft, earlier reported on by washingtonpost.com blogger Ezra Klein, spells out four options for requiring employers to provide coverage, with exemptions for firms with up to 200 employees. It would fine individuals who do not purchase coverage, though certain groups, including Native Americans and undocumented workers, would be exempted.
It also would loosen eligibility requirements for Medicaid, a proposal certain to alarm many governors who are grappling with budget crises.
No boyfriend sleepovers for parents in Michigan...sm
Dad Pans Girlfriend Sleepover Ban
DETROIT, Dec. 22, 2005
 (AP / CBS)
This antiquated law allows the state to unconstitutionally interfere with a parent's relationship with his or her children.
Kary Moss, executive director, ACLU of Michigan
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(AP) A divorced father will fight a ruling that keeps his girlfriend away from their Michigan home when his children visit overnight, the state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union said Wednesday.
The ACLU said it would appeal to the state Supreme Court on behalf of Christian Muller, whose ex-wife sought the court order based on an 1838 state law that makes lewd and lascivious cohabitation a crime. Michigan is one of only seven states with such a law on the books, the ACLU said.
This antiquated law allows the state to unconstitutionally interfere with a parent's relationship with his or her children, said Kary Moss, executive director of the ACLU of Michigan.
Muller shares legal custody of his two daughters, ages 5 and 7, with his former wife, Nicolette Muller.
Oakland County Judge Daniel Patrick O'Brien ordered that both parents be prohibited from having overnight visitation with their children when they have unrelated overnight guests of the opposite sex.
The latest appeal argues that the Court of Appeals decision conflicts with its prior rulings and with the Child Custody Act of 1970, and relies on an unconstitutional statute — the 1838 state law.
Elizabeth Silverman, an attorney who had represented Nicolette Muller, said Wednesday her services had not been retained for the latest appeal.
A home telephone number could not be found for Nicolette Muller, who lives in southeastern Michigan.
Michigan Police Officer's Take on Obama...
This was forwarded to me by a boyhood friend who is a retired cop.
Please pass this along to everyone that you have on your e-mail list because this is just the beginning if this arrogant, egotistical, super liberal, president wannabe gets into office....
To all,
I have read all of the emails from not only some of the MTOA board members, but from other Law Enforcement & Military personnel about Barack Obama's rudeness and what seems to be disgust for basically anyone in uniform. Well, it's my turn to add to the list of emailers and here it is:
So members of the Calhoun County Sheriff's Department, Michigan State Police, (me included) and other local agencies inside Calhoun County are working with Secret Service in the security of Mr. Obama. Mr. Obama's bus arrives in Battle Creek and pulls into the stadium area. Before Mr. Obama exits the bus, he has the Secret Service get off and tell all Law Enforcement personnel in uniform that they now have to stand behind the bus so Mr. Obama is not seen with anyone in a Law Enforcement uniform before he gets off or while in the public view. So, everyone from Michigan State Police, Sheriff's Departments and other agencies look at each other for a brief second, go and stand behind the bus out of sight so Mr. Obama does not have to see, or been seen with, what to him is 'undesirables' since he refuses to been seen or even acknowledge Military or Law Enforcement personnel in uniform. And he wants to be our commander-in-chief!
At a time of war and terrorism in our world, this presidential candidate who is being protected by various branches of the military & law enforcement at the tax payers expense, refuses to acknowledge, be seen with, have in his photographed background, any type of Military or Law Enforcement in uniform.
But this is not in the headlines or in the news or on TV. The TV news doesn't show us marching around behind the bus. In the future, look and see if you can see a single soldier or police officer in uniform when you see Obama. Why? I wonder what the story or media frenzy would be if it was Muslims, blacks, whites, Jews, or any other race, gender, religion, and/or occupation, that Mr. Obama refused to be seen with or have around him.
Why would I make this up? Everyone in Law Enforcement knows we have traditionally had more funding under Democrats.
Just food for thought leading up to November 4th.
Jason Kern
Michigan Tactical Officer's Association
Michigan State Police
Executive Board Member
Michigan will lose big time if no bailout
Here in Michigan 7 out of 10 jobs are related to the auto industry. I don't know if the bailout is the right thing to do or not, but if the auto industry fails, Michigan will be in big trouble. We already have the highest unemployment rates in the country and I believe the highest foreclosure rate. I do believe most of the high executives need to go, their salaries and "benefits" are unbelievable with the bonuses, stock options, etc.
I heard this today.....and I live in Michigan....
Some governors are not going to take the stimulus money because there are too many strings attached to it. Well never fear......our wonderfully liberal Jennifer Granholm, who takes from the west side to give to the east side, has so nicely volunteered to take all the money that other governors have turned down and put it to good use. Not that we couldn't use it, but.....
DH and I live in Michigan. We called Hoekstra, Levin, and Stabenow....
We told them that they no longer had our vote as they voted FOR the "porkulus" bill, they voted for the first bailout, and had not accomplished anything for their constituents in ages. We also told them that we were going to get all our friends and friends of friends to vote for whoever runs against them. Levin has been in politics since Hector was a pup and the state of Michigan has nothing to show for it. Our unemployment rate is higher than the national average, our jobs have been leaving left and right, the Big 3 are tanking, our economy is tanking, and yet Levin and his cronies still keep sticking it to the little people.
And people ask if there is a recession? Michigan is in it's own one-state recession.
The whole country would crash and burn. Do you know how many jobs in Michigan alone are auto related
Michigan might as well hang a sign on the door saying last one out, turn out the lights. But then if Obama has his way, we won't have any electricity either because the coal companies will be bankrupted too. Domino effect in my opinion.
I'm sorry I'm not just going to stand by
and let you or any other unhinged liberal get away with stating the most stereotypical garbage I've ever heard. You call us racist and intolerant. Honey, you could teach the class on racism and stereotyping.
Nor a leg to stand on. nm
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I cannot stand
Michelle Obama. She just comes off to me as a bitter and arrogant woman. Joe Biden are just ignorant sometimes. He is a likeable guy and I like his smile but the words that come out of his mouth....I bet the dems cringe every time they see him start to talk.
I would much rather see McCain and Palin in office. I don't agree with everything they do, but for the most part....I stand along with them on issues.
I cannot stand behind Obama and the things he stands for.
Me too and I can't stand her. n/m
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I will stand behind him, but we do not
know enough about him. Can only hope this is for the good.
Cannot stand her. She is always
picking her religion by flavor of the month. She always picks her diets by whatever is flavor of the month. She even had people on her show admit, day after O elected, that they only picked O because he is black. Now she is trying to win the red colors of the south and turn them blue. Whatever. My sister is a flight attendant who had her on her AA flight and she was such a WITCH. I heard Michelle Obama and Oprah cannot stand each other.
You are serious? I cannot stand the man. Used to
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Yes, I do know where you stand...(sm)
and I agree with you about 90% of the time. However, you are really targeting the wrong people here. Take a look up above this post. Here's what I see -- "Obama is a fool...big government...socialism..." Obama has called for unity in this country, and I wholeheartedly agree that we should be united. However, the republican leadership and right wing news media are doing nothing but striving for division, and most of the republicans on this board do nothing but echo that. They obviously can't be reasoned with. They posted I don't know how many times about how terrible the stimulus is, but when asked their opinion of what should be done we get no answer-- just some wise crack. The other day one was saying that Obama is taking rights away. When asked what rights specifically...again, no answer. And how about that racist post about the aspirin on this board or the email that a pub official sent out with a watermellon patch in front of the whitehouse? Calling people names? --- How about Kool-Aid drinkers?
If republicans want to have a conversation, I'm all for that, but so far only a few on this board are actually willing to do so. Let's work on that for a while. Go ahead...ask them what their ideas are about how to solve the economic crisis and see if you get a reasonable answer. Ask them whether or not they would support a violent revolution as suggested by Hannity's website and whether or not they think it would help the country.
This country is a mess right now and we desparately need to come together, but when you are dealing with people who would prefer to remain a divided country for the purposes of greed and affiliation, then this is the result.
A few journalists stand out
Lately we have a few reporters who are stepping up to the plate of real journalists from the past..Im impressed with David Gregory of MSNBC, Keith Olbermann of MSNBC also tells it like it is and then there is Terry Moran of ABC and, of course Helen Thomas. They are asking questions and I just love watching Bush and his press secretary squirm, LOL. Three more years of this? Can the country survive three more years?
I stand by my opinion
by the way...I fell asleep during your sermon...
I stand corrected
You are right. I did apply a double standard to a point. Everybody has a past. We've all done things we're ashamed of. My beef was with how he made it all seem like a joke, but again you are right.
I apologize...
Stand corrected
No, I'm advocating blowing a dictator away who is genocidal and dangerous and has committed war crimes for which he is on trial for now, and the evidence is overwhelming. Big difference there.
You are so right. I stand corrected.
What you said and every other bad thing in the world. Bad Bad BAD Democrats.
Bush won't send any of his kids to die for his war. Only other people's kids. BTW, LoL at margarita bimbos.
Speaking of margaritas, people convicted of felonies (such as DUI) aren't allowed to vote in the United States.
But they're allowed to be political candidates and sometimes they become President and Vice President. (Bush: Arrested for DUI and again for possession of cocaine. Cheney: Arrested twice for DUI).
The loophole is they probably weren't technically convicted. They would have been if they were everyday normal people and not privileged and rich, but how ironic is that? :-(
Ok, I stand corrected....
Thanks, however of small note (and this is only me) I don't consider the people on Good Morning America to be news people. Yes, I know they are reading the news. I used to watch it until it just seemed to be too much like The View or Regis & Kathy (okay you see how long its been since I've seen that show). I've just never heard anyone on CNN, Fox, MSNBC, or those main ones (or even our local news) tell her to get out. They were all for her to keep going. But I do stand corrected and thank you.
I stand accused of
You are so consumed with your attack politics you are completely incapable of answering any real issues on any level whatsoever. So here you are with you umpteenth millionth under the bus/lie lines...boring, ineffective, pathetic, self-serving. Biden's record speaks for itself for those who are listening. His "friendship" with McBush is not the least bit relevant to anyone except those on the Fox fringe. The only ones whose opinions really count here are which ones believe your propaganda and which ones don't and how many of them show up at the polls. Will be declining the answer the lies accusations. it's all in the perception, sweetie, and on that score, you and your ilk will lose and lose big in the whose leaders tell the biggest lies that have the worst consequences for all of us to pay contest. Since you cannot actually address any of the other well researched facts on the experience issues raised in the last post, there is nothing left to do here except leave you to stew in your own acidic attacks. I will stay loyal to my principles, my party, their policies, issues and leaders. They are our only hope this election season. Shocking as it may seem to you, democrats are proud to be democrats, liberals proud to be liberals. You have no idea just how many of us there are out here. Our voices have not been raised within your earshot (Fox News) under the "you're either with us or against us" mentality of your last great fearless leader. But we raise them now, loud and clear. We shall see in a few short weeks just which one of us in on the "right side of history" this time...that is, unless, of course, the republicans manage to steal yet one more election. NOT. Not this time. Don't bother with a response. Try to find something more intelligent to do with your time.
I stand corrected
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Thank you for letting me know where you stand....
that barack's campaign is more important than the financial crisis we are facing. Tell me...what would you have said if Barack had suspended is campaign first and put his country first? Would you still be criticizing the decision? I am doubting it! lol.
You need to stand up and adjust....
and get your knickers out of that knot.
I can't stand Pelosi
but don't ya recall who's been in the White House for the past 8 years, well make that 20 of the last 28 years. Obviously the Republican trickle down wealth hasn't worked so well. And don't give me the Democrats for the past 2 years. Obviously they haven't done anything either but for the previous 6 years, as I seem to recall Republicans had total control of the government and look where we are?
Okay, I can't stand it anymore....
the answer is......Hitler. His directive 51 was pretty much the same thing.
Yes that's me - and I still stand by my statement.
I just agreed that the site has been changed; however, if you compare the 2 sites they are virtually word for word until you have to add the part about the college credit (which I posted 4 links below that show that that has been part of the "requirement" all along and not a new idea). That is why I say that it was a mistake on somebody's part that was doing the typing.
I am telling you, when I am wrong, I am admitting I am wrong, and I will continue to admit I am wrong.
If Obama does something that is wrong, then in the next election, I will most definitely not support him again. I am, however, giving him the benefit of the doubt until he is actually in office and doing the job of the POTUS, and not condemning him on typos, rumors, innuendos, outright lies, hypothetical situations, fear and hatred...
I base my decisions on that person's actions, not the public's opinion.
Right and we don't have a union to stand up for us either. n/m
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I never could stand Kissinger
I would expect he WOULD think Hillary was a good pick. I most certainly DO NOT. Yes..I am VERY angry. I just don't know who to be the angriest at, the politicians who have sold us down the river or "we the people" who let them do it.
I stand behind our military too but
I sure as heck am not going to stand behind a president who sends our young men and women in harms way for his own personal gain and that of his oil cronies. What happened to bin Laden? Don't tell me that our military men and women couldn't take him out. And how about McCain saying he knew how to get him. How anyone who can support this administration and this war is beyond me. Isn't it "Mission Iraqi Freedom" now? What about 9/11? Who has paid for that? And today Iraq has given us "permission" to stay for 3 more years? Permission??? We have no business meddling in their business to begin with. Wasn't Bushes and Sadam friends before they became enemies???
Stand whereever you like........ sm
"His old colored picture" to me referred to the fact that the coins are painted in colors, nothing more and nothing less. Maybe I'm just not the racist that you are who sees racism in every comment.
So the M obviously does not stand for mature.
Try to show a little class, why don't you?
what does MSLSD stand for?...nm
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And I stand by my post as well.......don't like it, go
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I stand by what I said....... they have no "rights"
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And I stand by that quote.
If we sin and don't repent, we will die. End of story. Sin is the wrong choice. Some of the choices we have in our daily life are wrong. Some of us just don't realize it. I'm not cold. I've lost loved ones too. I think we all have. Some people love to put words in other's mouths or they just have a hard time comprehending the message. I see you are one of those. You have no idea what I've experienced.
Your words-- "Yes we are all going to die but that doesn't make it okay for someone else to move the date up because they don't like what we do." Or possibly don't like who we are-- as in fetuses.
Yes, I stand corrected
They just mentioned it on the news, but I didn't hear the justification for it. It seems counterintuitive to me to tax the shrinking number of employers who are providing insurance. I would think they would be providing tax credits if the goal is to get every American insured.
I knew there was a reason I can't stand him.
Cynthia McKinney's Last Stand sm
I really wish more had her guts.
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